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« Responder #375 em: Abril 16, 2007, 10:56:20 pm »
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Gosto do impressionante canhão de 1,5 milímetros! :lol:


Boas fotos Tagos, obrigado.
"Portugal civilizou a Ásia, a África e a América. Falta civilizar a Europa"

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« Responder #376 em: Abril 16, 2007, 10:57:13 pm »
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Gosto do impressionante canhão de 1,5 milímetros! :lol:
 

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« Responder #377 em: Abril 16, 2007, 11:54:15 pm »
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Até levares com ele um dia :mrgreen:
Ai de ti Lusitânia, que dominarás em todas as nações...
 

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« Responder #378 em: Maio 04, 2007, 08:09:10 pm »






 

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« Responder #379 em: Maio 13, 2007, 12:29:30 pm »
Olhem o que encontrei.  :D





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News - 08.05.2007


Successful presentation at IDET 2007, Bruno


At the stand of the Czech Ministry of Defense PANDUR II 8x8 in KBVP-version was the center of interest for the visitors, among them VIPs. At the exhibition area of General Dynamics European Land Combat Systems visitors could inform them about the PANDUR II in 6x6 and 8x8 configuration, as well as a MOWAG Eagle IV.


Fonte: http://www.steyr-ssf.com/index.htm
 

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« Responder #380 em: Maio 13, 2007, 12:46:23 pm »
Mais umas da versão Checa:







Agora Pandur II (normal :lol: )









Fonte: http://www.armyrecognition.com

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« Responder #381 em: Maio 13, 2007, 01:29:03 pm »
Mais uma do Pandur II 8*8 (o normal  :lol:  )













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« Responder #382 em: Maio 13, 2007, 01:48:26 pm »
Agora mais do Checo.























































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« Responder #383 em: Maio 13, 2007, 03:38:39 pm »
Obrigado pelas fotos TaGOs! Fazem-nos desejar ver os nossos PANDUR rapidamente no activo.

Já agora, alguém sabe o que é ou para que serve esta "rede" na traseira do blindado?
 
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« Responder #384 em: Maio 13, 2007, 07:28:45 pm »
Não tem de me agradecer a mim já que nenhuma é da minha autoria.

Eu não sei para que serve mas deve ser para transportar algo. Tipo aquelas redes camufladas.

Agora só falta encontrar fotos como essas desta viatura: :lol:

"Porta" do condutor diferente.

E repararam que a versão anfíbia não tem na parte lateral traseira aquela saliência para fora. Como esta foto mostra.



Alguém sabe se os nossos pandur também vão tem câmaras como os Checos?

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« Responder #385 em: Maio 13, 2007, 07:43:17 pm »
Mais quatro interessantes.









Maior resolução em: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... 05&page=37
 

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« Responder #386 em: Maio 14, 2007, 04:36:58 pm »



Relativamente às câmaras, a que câmaras se refere?
É muito mais fácil enganar uma pessoa, que explicar-lhe que foi enganada ...
Contra a Estupidez, não temos defesa
https://shorturl.at/bdusk
 

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« Responder #387 em: Maio 14, 2007, 04:46:35 pm »
Estas espalhadas pelo veiculo.







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« Responder #388 em: Maio 14, 2007, 08:33:25 pm »
Uma notícia preocupante:

Stryker Losses Raise Questions

Associated Press  |  May 14, 2007
BAGHDAD - A string of heavy losses from powerful roadside bombs has raised new questions about the vulnerability of the Stryker, the Army's troop-carrying vehicle hailed by supporters as the key to a leaner, more mobile force.

Since the Strykers went into action in violent Diyala province north of Baghdad two months ago, losses of the vehicles have been rising steadily, U.S. officials said.

A single infantry company in Diyala lost five Strykers this month in less than a week, according to Soldiers familiar with the losses, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to release the information. The overall number of Strykers lost recently is classified.

In one of the biggest hits, six American Soldiers and a journalist were killed when a huge bomb exploded beneath their Stryker on May 6. It was the biggest one-day loss for the battalion in more than two years.

"We went for several months with no losses and were very proud of that," a senior Army official said in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to comment publicly. "Since then, there have been quite a few Stryker losses."

"They are learning how to defeat them," the Army official said of Iraqi insurgents.

The military introduced the eight-wheeled Stryker in 1999 as the cornerstone of a ground force of the future - hoping to create faster, more agile armored units than tank-equipped units, but with more firepower and protection than light-infantry units. The Army has ordered nearly 2,900 vehicles for its $13 billion Stryker program.

But the Army and the Marines are already looking for something different that can survive big roadside bombs - the main threat to Soldiers in Iraq - meaning the Stryker's high-profile status as the Army's "next generation" vehicle may be short-lived.

"It is indeed an open question if the Stryker is right for this type of warfare," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior analyst with the Brookings Institution. "I am inclined to think that the concept works better for peacekeeping. But based on data the Army has made available to date, it's hard to be sure."

Supporters of the Strykers, which have been used in Iraq since late 2003, say the vehicles that carry two crew members and 11 infantrymen offer mobility, firepower and comfort.

Lighter and faster than tracked vehicles like tanks, each Stryker can rush Soldiers quickly to a fight, enabling commanders to maintain security over a wide area with relatively fewer troops. Humvees can carry only four Soldiers - and are more vulnerable to bombs even when their armor is upgraded.

"I love Strykers," said Spc. Christopher Hagen, based in Baqouba. "With Strykers, you're mobile, you're fast. You can get anywhere anytime. They bring a lot of troops to the fight."

But some analysts have long questioned the wisdom of moving away from more heavily armored tracked vehicles like tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles to wheeled transports, like the Stryker.

They say that is especially true in Iraq, where powerful bombs - not rocket-propelled grenades or small arms fire - are the main threat.

"The Stryker vehicle was conceived at a time when the Army was more concerned about mobility and agility than it was about protection," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst from the Lexington Institute. "Stryker was the answer to that need."

The Stryker's vulnerabilities have become increasingly apparent since a battalion of about 700 Soldiers and nearly 100 Stryker vehicles from the Army's 2nd Infantry Division was sent to Diyala province in March to bolster an infantry brigade struggling to restore order there.

Trouble started as soon as the Strykers arrived in Baqouba, the provincial capital of Diyala.

U.S. commanders ordered the vehicles into Baqouba's streets at dawn the day after they arrived. The hope was that the large, menacing vehicles - armed with a heavy machine gun and a 105mm cannon - would intimidate insurgents and reassure local residents.

Instead, insurgents hammered the Strykers with automatic weapons fire, rocket-propelled grenades and a network of roadside bombs. By the end of that first day, one American Soldier was dead, 12 were wounded and two Strykers were destroyed.

A few days before the May 6 attack that killed the six Soldiers and a Russian journalist, troops scrambled out of another damaged Stryker and took cover in a house while they watched the vehicle burn. Several of them were injured but none seriously.

Losses have since mounted.

A few days after the May 6 blast, two Strykers were hit by bombs, and one Soldier was killed and another was seriously wounded.

Lt. Col. Bruce Antonio, who commands a Stryker battalion in Diyala, said he and Soldiers still have confidence in the Strykers and noted they had survived many bombs, which the military calls improvised explosive device or IEDs.

But Antonio said some insurgents had found "the right mix of explosives and IED positioning to inflict severe damage on the vehicle." He also noted that tanks had also proved vulnerable too.

The insurgents also apparently are becoming better at hiding the devices - the IED that killed the six Soldiers and the journalist was believed hidden in a sewer line. To add potency, insurgents surrounded the device with cement to channel the blast force up into the tank, according to Soldiers familiar with the investigation.

Supporters of the Strykers say all that proves that it's the lethality of bombs in Iraq - not the Strykers themselves - that are the problem: The bombs are now so powerful that even Abrams main battle tanks are vulnerable to some of them.

"I'm not sure if it's any reflection on the (Stryker) but rather on how things are getting worse" in Iraq, according to a senior Democratic congressional staffer who tracks Army programs, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly.

Stryker Soldiers said that when they were based in Mosul in the north, roadside bombs weren't so big - often, little more than pipe bombs. In Baqouba, the bombs are bigger and buried deeper, making them difficult to detect.

"With what we got hit with the other day, it wouldn't have mattered what we were in," said Spc. John Pearce, speaking of the May 6 bomb. "We were going to take casualties, regardless."

Either way, the Army and Marine Corps already are pushing for new Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, or MRAPS, whose V-shaped hulls are designed to deflect bomb blasts outward, rather than through the vehicle.

The Pentagon has requested nearly 7,800 of the new vehicles at a cost of $8.4 billion and is considering ordering thousands more to give Soldiers better protection.

Such moves, however, serve only to reinforce the views of critics, who believe the Army opted for a vehicle that was useful in Balkan peacekeeping or other "low threat" missions but is inadequate in so-called "asymmetric warfare," where a weaker opponent devises simple tools to exploit a strong opponent's weak points.

"As long as the Stryker-equipped light infantry was used ... against lightly armed insurgents, there was no problem," said retired Col. Douglas Macgregor, who writes on defense issues.

"Now, they are being tossed into the urban battle where only tracked armor can survive."
 

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« Responder #389 em: Maio 17, 2007, 04:28:49 pm »
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Viaturas blindadas portuguesas em testes definitivos na Áustria

MANUEL CARLOS FREIRE    
 
Uma delegação de altas patentes militares portuguesas assiste na próxima semana, na Áustria, aos testes finais à viatura blindada de oito rodas desenvolvida pela Steyr e de que Portugal foi o primeiro comprador.

As primeiras Pandur 8x8, de um total de 260 a adquirir por Lisboa até 2010, já estão a ser construídas na Áustria e pela empresa portuguesa Fabrequipa (Barreiro). Mas os exames definitivos às capacidades da viatura, que a vão homologar perante o mercado internacional e certificar em termos operacionais, realizam-se entre os dias 21 e 28 deste mês, revelaram ontem ao DN várias fontes ligadas a esse programa de reequipamento do Exército e da Armada.

O responsável máximo da Fabrequipa, Francisco Pita, manifestou total confiança no sucesso daqueles testes - outra fonte, militar, mostrou--se mais cautelosa, optando por falar em "mais de 90%" - à primeira viatura da primeira série das Pandur 8x8. "São testes fundamentais, que vão definir a continuidade imediata do projecto", frisou aquele industrial.

A semana de testes envolve algumas dezenas de parâmetros, desde as medidas da viatura, a verificação de que podem ser transportadas por aviões C-130, o arranque do motor (diesel) a determinadas temperaturas negativas, o grau de autonomia com o peso de combate (superior a 20 toneladas), a pontaria do canhão de 30 mm, a compressão do habitáculo para garantir a não entrada de produtos químicos ou a resistência a uma explosão de oito quilos de explosivos.

As Pandur 8x8 vão substituir as quase inoperacionais Chaimite, que datam do tempo da guerra colonial em África. Do total de 260 viaturas blindadas, 240 (em 11 versões) destinam-se ao Exército e 20 (em cinco versões) ao batalhão de Fuzileiros da Armada. A primeira das construídas emPortugal - a nº7, pois as primeiras seis virão da fábrica-mãe da Steyr na Áustria - é entregue ao Exército em Setembro, seguindo-se mais três em Outubro, quatro em Novembro e cinco em Dezembro, informou Francisco Pita.

Segundo o industrial, que disse ter investido cerca de 14 milhões na fábrica destinada à produção das 'suas' 220 Pandur, "a grande reviravolta" desse programa de 364 milhões de euros - que envolve contrapartidas da Steyr que rondam os 516 milhões de euros para uma dúzia de projectos - deu-se ao nível dos fornecedores nacionais de componentes e equipamentos para aquelas viaturas blindadas.

Ao contrário das suas expectativas iniciais, Francisco Pita tem actualmente "uma centena" de fornecedores nacionais que o levam a falar da Fabrequipa como uma pequena réplica da Autoeuropa (fábrica automóvel em Palmela) na pequena área das indústrias de Defesa. Pita disse ainda que delegou a montagem dos motores nas oficinas do Exército.


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A versão em papel da notícia tem ainda um outro texto onde refere que uma das Pandur exibidas em Brno, na República Checa, é uma das construídas na Austria para Portugal (serão as das fotos acima colocadas?). Refere ainda que em Novembro vão ser realizados os testes aos protótipos com canhão 105mm (ou 1,5 como por aqui já se viu :mrgreen: ), com um modelo belga e outro italiano.
"Portugal civilizou a Ásia, a África e a América. Falta civilizar a Europa"

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