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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1037 em: Agosto 15, 2014, 07:39:40 pm »
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/20 ... 96672.html

Ukraine 'destroys' Russian military vehicles

Kiev says its artillery has hit column of armoured carriers that crossed from Russia as NATO confirms "incursion".
Last updated: 15 Aug 2014 17:15

Ukrainian security forces have attacked and destroyed military vehicles that were part of a column that crossed from Russia into eastern Ukraine, the office of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said in a statement.

Poroshenko discussed reports of the incursion of armoured personnel carriers from Russia with British Prime Minister David Cameron and said that a "considerable part of this equipment was destroyed overnight by Ukrainian artillery".

The latest incident has signalled the worsening of the country's conflict with pro-Russian separatists who took over parts of eastern Ukraine, as Kiev accuses Moscow's military of arming and backing the fighters.

Earlier on Friday, NATO secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen confirmed witnessing the Russian "incursion" into Ukraine, which Russia denies.

During a visit to Denmark's capital Copenhagen, Fogh Rasmussen told reporters: "I can confirm that last night we saw an incursion [into] Ukraine." Rasmussen did not give details of the alleged incursion but said "what we have seen last night is the continuation of what we have seen for some time".

Russia's federal security service said Russian forces are patrolling the border area but denied that military vehicles had moved into Ukraine.

Moscow has accused Kiev of attempting to disrupt a Russian humanitarian aid mission to eastern Ukraine and called for a ceasefire in the region to allow for the deliveries.

"We draw attention to the sharp intensification of military action by Ukrainian forces with the apparent aim to stop the path, agreed on with Kiev, of a humanitarian convoy across the Russia-Ukraine border," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

Envoy summoned

Britain said it summoned Ambassador Alexander Yakovenko to clarify the reports of the Russian military invasion.

Earlier, Russia let Ukrainian officials inspect an aid convoy while it was still on Russian soil on Friday and agreed that the Red Cross can distribute the goods in Ukraine's rebel-held city of Luhansk. The twin moves aimed to dispel Ukrainian fears that the operation was a ruse to get military help to the pro-Russian separatists.

Russia had sent the convoy of 280 aid trucks towards a border crossing under the control of pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine, raising the prospect that it could enter without being inspected by Ukraine or the Red Cross.

Al Jazeera's Emma Hayward, reporting from Slovyansk, said fighting was continuing in eastern Ukraine and that 14 people had been killed in the past 24 hours in Donetsk and Luhansk.

She said the convoy, carrying what Russian authorities say is much-need aid for people in eastern Ukraine, was still on the Russian border.

"An agreement has been made which will see the convoy move into Ukrainian territory, but it will not have [Russian] military escort," she said.

Amid the tensions, AP reporters saw dozens of Russian military trucks and armoured personnel carriers moving on Friday around the area where the trucks were parked, about 28km from the border in a Russian field.

Russia said that Russian forces were patrolling the border but denied that military vehicles had crossed into Ukraine.

The fighting in eastern Ukraine has claimed nearly 2,100 lives, half of those in the past few weeks. It began in April, a month after Putin annexed Ukraine's Black Sea peninsula of Crimea.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1039 em: Agosto 16, 2014, 10:57:24 am »
Aparentemente segundo veiculam os meios de comunicação muitos dos aproximadamente 280 camiões de ajuda humanitária russa vêm practicamente vazios, isto verificado e fotografado por jornalistas aos quais foi autorizada a inspecção dos veiculos.



A questão que se põe é, para quê utilizar tantos camiões para transportar ajuda que talvez fosse possivel de entregar com metade dos camiões?
 

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1040 em: Agosto 18, 2014, 09:00:06 pm »
mais uma mentira de kiev que passou despercebida aos foristas . :shock:   :lol:

os russos falaram a verdade sobre este episodio

Russian Defense Ministry denies reports military column crossed into Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/180584-border-russia ... ry-troops/

Lavrov denies reports that Ukraine destroyed Russian armored column
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/745491

ate os americanos mostraram vergonha em mentir descaradamente

White House on Reports of Russian Military Column in Ukraine
http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/engl ... z3AWpsbYAj

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We are not currently in a position to confirm these reports.

tanto desconhecimento... :mrgreen:

e sobre propagandas fica aqui mais uma leitura recomendada aos foristas

Russian Tanks in Ukraine? Consider the Source
http://journal-neo.org/2014/08/15/russi ... he-source/
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1041 em: Agosto 18, 2014, 09:04:21 pm »
PRESS RELEASE A meeting of foreign ministers from Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine

http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/0/A7A78A8B3AA97 ... 380030A360


Russian and Ukrainian officials open truce talks in Berlin

http://www.cityam.com/1408336120/russia ... lks-berlin
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1042 em: Agosto 19, 2014, 12:07:55 am »
O escavador de esterco de serviço, continua a fornecer-nos links de sites conspirativos, info-wars, fanáticos proto-comunistas, proto-fascistas e restante animalário rastejante.

Não seria nunca possível confirmar as alegações ucranianas, dado o ataque ter sido feito de noite utilizando artilharia.
O ataque foi efectuado contra território controlado pelos russsos dentro da Ucrânia.

As colunas militares foram vistas na Russia, vários orgãos de comunicação confirmaram que as colunas passaram em direção à fronteira, mas os camaradas conspiranoicos agora concluiram que as colunas de carros de combate russos que passam nos postos fronteiriços russos em direção à fronteira ucraniana, quando lá chegam, entram num portal cósmico e aparecem noutra galáxia.

Pura e simplesmente desaparecem deste mundo.

HÁ UM TRIANGULO DAS BERMUDAS NA FRONTEIRA ENTRE A RUSSIA E A UCRÂNIA. e os meios militares russos, desaparecem nesse triangulo misterioso.
Para os camaradas conspiranoicos isso é normalíssimo, porque é evidente que se trata de uma conspiração para ocultar a presença de OVNIS que estão a carregar os tanques russos para os levar para avaliação na sua base no planeta Alpha-721B-2N11 na galáxia Andromeda-1 a 2.5 milhões de anos-luz da terra.

Mas para os pobres de espirito, que não conseguem ver os OVNIS, as coisas são mais simples. Os tanques, que nunca mais são vistos na Russia, passaram obviamente a fronteira para a Ucrânia onde foram fortalecer as colunas dos mercenários russos.

Aliás, talvez fosse melhor os agentes da Putina, informarem o gangster russo, auto-proclamado primeiro ministro, que confirmou ele mesmo a iminente chegada de 150 blindados, entre os quais 30 tanques, mais 1200 homens que se estão a treinar na Russia desde Abril.

Esses tanques e esses homens vão para Andromeda, não vão para Luhansk.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1043 em: Agosto 19, 2014, 12:48:24 am »
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... nd-of.html

Novorossiya Military Briefing – End of August 17, 2014

Combined Briefings for August 17, 2014
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov

Igor Ivanovich Strelkov

Brief Statement about Igor Ivanovich Strelkov

Original: Summer56 LiveJournal

Note: Apart from the Antiquariat Forum, where Igor Strelkov used to post all his short briefings and commentary, the LiveJournal blog of Summer56 was the first independent platform that Igor Strelkov used for his longer statements, appeals, and fulsome regular briefings. For many of us, this was our first (virtual) encounter with Igor Strelkov. Summer56 is Igor Strelkov's close friend and one of his most faithful allies.

I have already written that everything is fine with Igor Ivanovich, and that he is alive and healthy. But today against there were rumours that he was, after all, heavily wounded and even killed. What is more, these rumours were being spread not by Ukies, but by our own bloggers.

I state, taking full responsibility for my words, that today (August 17, 2014), at approximately 20:30, I personally spoke with Igor Ivanovich over the telephone.

To cannot say that I spoke with him at length. In reality, we just exchanged a few phrases. As always, Igor Ivanovich was brief. But he again confirmed that everything is fine with him.

Naturally, I did not even ask about his new assignment. I do not need to know this. Nor do you.

10:36 -August 17, 2014 - Colonel Cassad: Novorosiya Briefing

Original: Colonel Cassad LiveJournal



Lugansk People’s Republic

While to the north of Lugansk the front, stretching along a broken line from Lutugino to the border with the Russian Federation, has remained stable for a lengthy some time, on the south-western and southern outskirts of Lugansk the enemy has launched an offensive with the aim of establishing a complete blockade of the city. As expected, the “assault” of Lugansk that began the day before yesterday chocked while still in the suburbs of the city because it was undertaken with clearly insufficient forces. The troops advancing from the south became bogged down in the urban development after being drawn into inconclusive street battles, which carried greater resemblance to going through the motions rather justifying the bravura reports that the “liberation of Lugansk” has begun.



At the same time, battles for Khryashevatoye (which the enemy does not control completely) and Novosvetlovka (occupied by the enemy two days ago) continued. The latter (Novosvetlovka) is encircled on three sides (the greatest danger to LPR’s entire operation aimed at stretching out the ring of encirclement to Novosvetlovka comes from the southern direction) and is being bombarded by the LPR Army using MLRS and cannon artillery. Nevertheless, the attacks by the infantry and tank forces of the LPR Army are so far not yielding decisive success. Although it has repeatedly called for help, the enemy, entrenched in the residential development of Novosvetlovka, has so far been able to retain its primary positions. Both sides have been sustaining fairly notable losses in manpower and military hardware in the course of the battles. The perseverance of the factions is understandable. Novosvetlovka has operational significance with respect to the fighting near Lugansk, as well as political importance in connection with the passage of the Russian humanitarian convoy, which the Junta appears to have agreed to allow.



Overall, the situation at the border is calm at this time. For a long time now, there have been no Junta troops to the south of Izvarino, allowing traffic to cross the border without much problem. Most of the trophies obtained in the Southern Cauldron have already been moved – either immediately to the front or for repairs. The main problem is posed by the lack of fuel and spare parts, as well as crews. With respect to the recent rumours on the topic of trade in weapons – on the territory of Donbass there has been a black arms market, which is not at all surprising. Moreover, it supplies weapons to both sides. Recently, the Russian Federation authorities have begun more closely attending to this question due to cases of resale and export of weapons to Russia. There is nothing surprising in this – during war, there is always a stratum of people of a criminal nature that parasitize on conflict and engage in robbery, looting, racketeering, as well as in arms trade. What can prevent this is more thorough filtration of people and cargo arriving from the territory of Novorossiya, as well as the strengthening of special measures to ensure order in the areas close to the front line and in the rear.

In the area of Alchevsk and Stakhanov the situation is stable. The LPR Army and the Prizrak [Note: Ghost] Brigade (no longer just a battalion) firmly hold key settlements and road junctions, conducting harassing attacks on the enemy near Pervomaisk and Debaltsevo. Despite triumphant reports, Debaltsevo itself has not to be taken, but the line of combat contact between the armies over the past 4-5 days shifted significantly closer to this key centre, forcing the Junta to hold back for the purpose of defending the city part of the forces that it could otherwise have used in the battles in the area of Uglegorsk and in developing its offensive to the south of Debaltsevo. Overall, considering the limited forces of the Militia in this area, it has been performing its objectives well here. For now, the Junta does not have sufficient troops here to commence an offensive aimed at defeating the Alchevsk-Stakhanov grouping of the Militia.

Overall, on the territory of the LPR there is an operational crisis in the Novosvetlovsk-Khryashevatoye area, while the situation in the other section of the front is stable. Here we have to wait to see the outcome of the battles.

Donetsk People’s Republic

On the southern outskirts of Donetsk, the offensive on Ilovaisk has notably started to fizzle out. Ill thought-out attempts to punch through the defensive lines of the DPR Army head on and the unsuccessful attempt to encircle Ilovaisk from the southwest have resulted in the line of the main strike shifting to Mospino, which ended up being surrounded on three sides. What is more, the Junta is now claiming that the unsuccessful battles near Ilovaisk were part of an insidious plan to distract the DPR Army from Mospino. In reality, having suffered a defeat at Ilovaisk, the Junta was able to conduct a strike at the juncture between Ilovaisk and Mospino simply because of its overall superiority in manpower and military hardware. So far, the city itself has not been encircled, but the roads leading to it are open to enemy fire and there is a risk that the Mospino garrison could be surrounded.

At the same time, the main strike of the southern grouping is becoming almost too straightforward, enabling it, at best, in the event Mospino is taken, to enter onto the southern outskirts of Donetsk. More ambitions plans involving converging strikes aimed at cutting off the highway leading to Donetsk through Torez and encircling Donetsk itself have once again been scrapped. Thanks also to the garrison of Ilovaisk.

Yesterday a full-fledged Southern Cauldron 2.0 was born, in which units of two of the Junta’s brigades and various small units were trapped. The enemy took up defensive positions with strongholds in the settlements of Dyakovo, Latyshevo and Dmitrovka. The defeat in the battles for Miusinsk and Krasniy Luch, as well a the fall of Marinovka, have simply led to the repetition of the already familiar scenario in which the battered in heavy battles Junta brigades end up in operational encirclements and are shelled using artillery. However, considering the DPR Army’s operations in the are of Dmitrovka, it is unlikely that they will wait for the cauldron to dissipate on its own – there is simply no time for it. The militiamen are trying to speed up the process. It is obvious that, in light of the new encirclement, the Junta will be forced to redeploy its troops from the areas of Ilovaisk and Amvrosievka in order to attempt to de-blockade the Cauldron for the second time. In the nearest future an offensive by the Junta with the use of mechanized units can be expected in the area of Marinovka.



It must be noted that the activity of the DPR Army’s saboteur-reconnaissance groups (“SRG”) in the area of the Uspenka border-crossing checkpoint indicates an implicit threat of the Junta’s grouping being encircled near Amvrosievka. However, this threat exists of course in the medium term.

The operational crisis in the area of Miusinsk and Krasniy Luch has, in general, been overcome. The units of the 30th Mechanized Brigade that were surrounded to the north of Krasniy Luch broke out of the encirclement with heave losses, and the enemy has finally been driven out from the suburbs of Miusinsk. Also repulsed were all the attacks of the enemy in the area of Snezhnoye. At the time, it can be said that the battle in the area of Krasniy Luch-Miusinsk-Snezhnoye was won by the Militia and that the Junta sustained significant losses in manpower and military hardware, all without achieving in any way significant results. Accordingly, the Militia at this time retains control over the key highway that enables supplies to reach Donetsk and Gorlovka.

The only direction in which the Junta continues to retain operational initiative is the section between Gorlovka and Debaltsevo, where it enjoys significant superiority in armoured vehicles. Utilizing this advantage, the Junta has been attempting to cut off Donetsk from Gorlovka and to approach Enakievo, resulting in fighting on the outskirts of the latter. The blown up bridge near Uglegorsk has slowed the Junta’s offensive. The Militia’s arriving reserves fettered the advancing troops, but the risk of Gorlovka being encircled remains fairly high; moreover, Enakiev’s garrison, considering that recently it was still in the rear, is still fairly weak. At the same time, the reinforced armoured group of the enemy was able to break through to Zhdanovka, prompting heavy battles for this settlement. The loss of Zhdanovka is fraught with the danger of Enakievo being encircled from the south, and that is why the DPR Army is making all attempts necessary to curtail this breakthrough [Note: Reports from the Militia that came in following the publication of this briefing indicate unequivocally that Zhdanovka and part of Nizhnyaya Krynka were liberated today by the DPR Army]. At the same time, the Junta’s combat actions near Yasinovataya have failed to yield in any way notable results. Overall, the danger of Donetsk being encircled from the north and Gorlovka being surround remains. In addition, Enakievo is now threatened. That is why it is too early to say that the Junta’s offensive on Donetsk has been fully repulsed.



Overall, the nature of the fighting has not changed over the past several days – the Junta is no longer able to advance everywhere and has been forced repeatedly to regroup before undertaking new strikes. Moreover, its defeats in the south have become systematic. Nevertheless, it would be too early to talk about overcoming the crisis before the Junta’s offensive to the south of Debaltsevo is repulsed and Novosvetlovka is retaken.

Separately with respect to “Voyentorg” [Note: an ironic term for the notion of cross-border military aid coming from Russia]. Over the past several days, it has stepped up its work, which results in information seeping through to the mass media and symptomatic “leaks” from the DPR leadership. Certainly, no one will admit this officially, just as the presence of “polite people” in Crimea was not admitted until a certain moment. That is why the official line on this issue will remain as before – all allegations will be refuted, which is not, in itself, blameworthy.

The guerilla war beyond the front line is gradually picking up pace, and the Junta clearly does not have sufficient men to control the band of the territory near the front line. As a result, reports about shootings and attacks on checkpoints at the rear and on columns of the enemy have started to come in more and more frequently. They still do not have an appreciable operational effect, but here also the tendency for the Junta is unfavourable. As recently as a month ago, it was far calmer at its rear.

Donetsk and Lugansk continue to be subject to shelling. Every day peaceful civilians die and residences and infrastructure are destroyed. The situation has long passed the Rubicon into the territory of a humanitarian catastrophe.

Note: Any statement herein that relates to alleged Russian military aid to the Militia is solely the responsibility of the originator of this material (Colonel Cassad). I do not express any opinion in this regard, have no evidence that would confirm these statements and cannot independently corroborate or verify any of them.

20:52 – August 17, 2014 – Colonel Cassad: Briefly About the Most Important

Original: Colonel Cassad LiveJournal



At this time, Yasinovataya is not taken by the Junta and remains in NAF hands [Note: additional and highly reliable reports were received later that corroborate this statement and further indicate that all attacks on the town had been repulsed successfully]. It was pointed out at the start of the offensive that Yasinovataya is one of the key targets for the Junta in the battle for Donetsk. That is why when the Junta’s tanks rolled into the urban development of Yasinovataya, it was reported through Poroshenko’s twitter that Yasinovataya was taken, even though to enter a town and to take a town and completely different things. Almost identical claims were made a couple of days ago about the “taking of Lugansk” when the infantry of the Junta started seeping through into the town to the west of Khryashevatoye. In Yasinovataya battles are currently unfolding, the factions have brought in their reserves, and tanks and artillery are actively being used.

The LPR Army pushed the enemy near Novosvetlovka. On the Internet there are already bravura statements by militiamen claiming that the road was completely unblocked, whereas, in reality, this will still take time, as a portion of the highway remains open to enemy fire and it is too early to claim complete control over it. Any attempts to move a few cargo trucks to Lugansk down this road could end poorly.

In the course of the day the Militia shot down 3 aircraft – 1 MiG-29 and 2 Su-25. There is confirmation with respect to the MiG from the Junta; there is already a video showing one of the Su jets (even though there is some confusion with the video – in a fuller version, characteristic debris from MiG-29 can be seen, so it may, in fact, be one and same plane). In other words, 2 certainly were shot down and 1 remains unconfirmed for now. Overall, it can be stated that the Junta’s attempts to use its air force in the area of the punitive operation inevitable lead to losses because the Junta has no capacity to suppress even an antiaircraft defence comprised of old AA and MANPADS system.

The improvement of the situation near Miusinsk and Snezhnoye has enabled the Militia to redeploy some of its forces and to throw them to the aid of Donetsk. These reserves also allowed the Militia to develop its offensive to the west of the Southern Cauldron 2.0, initiating battles on the approaches to Saur-Mogila, the tip of which remains a no-man’s-land. Considering the nature of the terrain and the significant artillery forces on both sides, the fighting here will be protracted.

The Russian humanitarian aid column remains near the border with Ukraine. No go-ahead has been given yet. Most likely, they waiting for the completion of the battles for Novosvetlovka and the purge of the enemy’s SRGs that otherwise could attack the convoy on the highway.

Overall, as mentioned earlier, the Junta retains initiative to the north of Donetsk and, for now, its offensive there has not been stopped. The victories in the battles for Ilovaisk, Miusinsk and Krasniy Luch should not be confused for a victory in the battle for Donetsk. The situation remains complex and at the moment our forces hold the front with great difficulty.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1044 em: Agosto 19, 2014, 05:58:03 pm »
Bulgaria suspends all work at South Stream gas pipeline
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The Bulgarian Economy and Energy Ministry has suspended all work on carrying out the South Stream gas pipeline project until the pipeline is brought into compliance with European law, German broadcaster Deutsche Welle reported. According to an official statement published on the ministry's site, in a letter to Bulgaria's energy holding, Minister of Economy and Energy Vasil Shtonov ordered that all activities to carry out the South Stream project, including the signing of contracts, must stop. In addition, the holding must work with the European Commission in bringing the project into full compliance with European law.

Putin to take part in meeting with Poroshenko - Kremlin
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Russian President Vladimir Putin will take part in a meeting between the leaders of the Belarusian-Kazakh-Russian Customs Union member-states and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Minsk on August 26, which will also be attended by European Commission representatives, the Kremlin press service has reported. A number of bilateral meetings will also be arranged during the event.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1045 em: Agosto 19, 2014, 11:03:36 pm »
Citação de: "mafarrico"


Obviamente ninguém teria pachorra para ler o chorrilho de nojices que o mafarrico costumeiramente bolsa em cima de nós, mas chamo a atenção para o glorioso mapa tático que nos mostra.

Quem conhecer cirilico, percebe que o mapa indica 6 - 15 Avgusta

Ora, o camarada Igor Strelkov colocou no blog dele a 9 de Agosto, uma indicação segundo a qual Donetsk tinha ficado cercada com as operações dos últimos dias.
Mas o mapa, que inclui a data de 15 de Agosto, não mostra Donetsk cercada, nem Luhansk cercada.

A gloriosa república popular, ao contrário do que diz o seu próprio ministro da defesa, não só não tinha as suas duas principais cidades cercadas, como ainda por cima eram os gloriosos combatentes que cercavam  bolsas de soldados ucranianos ...  :mrgreen:

Há uma máxima, que aparentemente os nossos gloriosos camaradas russos, russófilos e restante animalário não conhecem, mas que se aplica todos os dias.

APANHA-SE MAIS DEPRESSA UM MENTIROSO QUE UM COXO
É muito mais fácil enganar uma pessoa, que explicar-lhe que foi enganada ...
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1047 em: Agosto 20, 2014, 02:57:26 pm »
mafarrico vou-te ensinar uma coisa:

    Todo o conhecimento serve em primeiro lugar para ser criticado, duvidado e analisado.
    O senhor limita-se a postar link´s que dá como certos e verdadeiros,  esse conhecimento não tem valor pois o senhor não os critica, não os duvida, não os analisa, apenas os dá como verdadeiros,   logo o senhor é um fundamentalista.

   Aconselhava-o a ler um pouco de Descartes ou Immanuel kant  
  Para aprender a pensar pela  sua cabeça e não andar a espalhar estrume pelo forum!

   Analise as suas fontes de conhecimento, critique-as, duvide delas,  coloque questões sobre elas  e  depois disso dê-nos a sua opinião pessoal.

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1048 em: Agosto 20, 2014, 03:22:01 pm »
Crise na Ucrânia: Desafio à segurança

José Neto Simões

A indiferença da UE para com as complexas questões de segurança é a perturbante premonição da sua própria desintegração. A crise da Ucrânia permitiu a reorientação estratégica da NATO e requer melhor articulação com a UE, cuja segurança comum está fragmentada pela crise financeira.


Documento integral em formato pdf:

 :arrow: http://database.jornaldefesa.pt/crises_ ... crania.pdf
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1049 em: Agosto 20, 2014, 05:07:35 pm »
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mafarrico vou-te ensinar uma coisa:

    Todo o conhecimento serve em primeiro lugar para ser criticado, duvidado e analisado.
    O senhor limita-se a postar link´s que dá como certos e verdadeiros,  esse conhecimento não tem valor pois o senhor não os critica, não os duvida, não os analisa, apenas os dá como verdadeiros,   logo o senhor é um fundamentalista.

   Aconselhava-o a ler um pouco de Descartes ou Immanuel kant  
  Para aprender a pensar pela  sua cabeça e não andar a espalhar estrume pelo forum!

   Analise as suas fontes de conhecimento, critique-as, duvide delas,  coloque questões sobre elas  e  depois disso dê-nos a sua opinião pessoal.

     Sitando um professor meu:

    "Chega de palha!!! um bocadinho de erva se faz favor!"

Ilustre chaimites

o seu discurso é tão vago que não sei se deva discutir consigo o conceito do nada budista ou a origem do zero.

é a segunda mensagem que me escreves e continuas com chavões e não te dás ao trabalho de suar um bocadinho mais e desenvolver o teu bonito pensamento.

falaste em links, dê exemplos (quais são os meus links que o estão a incomodar, toda a gente deixa aqui links) seja concreto no seu ponto e naquilo em que me quer criticar. exponha aqui as mentiras dos meus links. ou aproveite para questionar o seu conteúdo e sair enriquecido.
"All the world's a stage" William Shakespeare