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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #750 em: Setembro 16, 2020, 08:24:59 pm »
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Sweden halts trainer aircraft procurement citing no suitable candidates

Sweden has halted its search for a new jet trainer aircraft, with the FMV national procurement agency citing no suitable candidates for its decision.

The announcement on 14 September came some four months after the country issued a request for quotations (RFQ) in May to source a replacement for the Swedish Air Force’s (SwAF’s) Saab 105 (SK 60 in national service) jet trainer.

“We cancelled the procurement in August. We had not received a tender that met all the requirements,” Andreas Säf Pernselius, Project manager at FMV was quoted by the agency as saying.

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #751 em: Outubro 19, 2020, 11:16:48 am »
Airbus reveals new advanced jet trainer aircraft for Spain

Airbus Defence and Space (DS) has revealed a new advanced jet trainer (AJT) design that it is pitching at the Spanish Air Force’s (Ejército del Aire Español: EdAE) lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) requirements.


Airbus revealed a new LIFT trainer aircraft on 16 October, named AFJT, which it is pitching at the Spanish Air Force. (Airbus)

Revealed on 16 October, the Airbus Future Jet Trainer (AFJT) is a single-engined twin-seat design that is geared at replacing the EdAE’s ageing CASA C101 and Northrop F-5 Tiger II trainer platforms (though it should be noted that the air force has previously selected the Pilatus PC-21 turboprop as its C101 replacement).

“The AFJT is a programme designed by and for Spain, which is positioned as the operational, industrial and technological development solution that would allow the country to continue with its position as the main actor in the aerospace and defence sector,” the company said. “The conception and design of the AFJT is based on the pillars of safety, economy, simplicity and reliability.”

As noted by Airbus, the AFJT is to be equipped with a state-of-the-art avionics suite that builds on the EdAE’s previous experience with the F-5, Boeing EF-18 Hornet and Eurofighter. It would also provide the base for a student pilot’s transition to the ‘sixth-generation’ New Generation Fighter (NGF) that Spain is developing alongside France and Germany as part of the wider Future Combat Air System (FCAS).

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/airbus-reveals-new-advanced-jet-trainer-aircraft-for-spain

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #752 em: Outubro 19, 2020, 02:00:29 pm »
Airbus reveals new advanced jet trainer aircraft for Spain

Airbus Defence and Space (DS) has revealed a new advanced jet trainer (AJT) design that it is pitching at the Spanish Air Force’s (Ejército del Aire Español: EdAE) lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) requirements.


Airbus revealed a new LIFT trainer aircraft on 16 October, named AFJT, which it is pitching at the Spanish Air Force. (Airbus)

Revealed on 16 October, the Airbus Future Jet Trainer (AFJT) is a single-engined twin-seat design that is geared at replacing the EdAE’s ageing CASA C101 and Northrop F-5 Tiger II trainer platforms (though it should be noted that the air force has previously selected the Pilatus PC-21 turboprop as its C101 replacement).

“The AFJT is a programme designed by and for Spain, which is positioned as the operational, industrial and technological development solution that would allow the country to continue with its position as the main actor in the aerospace and defence sector,” the company said. “The conception and design of the AFJT is based on the pillars of safety, economy, simplicity and reliability.”

As noted by Airbus, the AFJT is to be equipped with a state-of-the-art avionics suite that builds on the EdAE’s previous experience with the F-5, Boeing EF-18 Hornet and Eurofighter. It would also provide the base for a student pilot’s transition to the ‘sixth-generation’ New Generation Fighter (NGF) that Spain is developing alongside France and Germany as part of the wider Future Combat Air System (FCAS).

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/airbus-reveals-new-advanced-jet-trainer-aircraft-for-spain

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #753 em: Outubro 19, 2020, 02:34:44 pm »
Qualquer opção no mercado é um "dream" neste momento.  :mrgreen:
 

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #754 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 06:38:52 am »
Li algures que os nossos pilotos vão para treinos nos EUA , antes de passarem para os F-16, treinar em...T-38??????!!!!

Isto é verdade?
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #755 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 09:07:37 am »
Li algures que os nossos pilotos vão para treinos nos EUA , antes de passarem para os F-16, treinar em...T-38??????!!!!

Isto é verdade?

Sim é.

Tail code EN "Euronato", no Texas.
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #756 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 09:47:46 am »
Li algures que os nossos pilotos vão para treinos nos EUA , antes de passarem para os F-16, treinar em...T-38??????!!!!

Isto é verdade?

Sim é.

Tail code EN "Euronato", no Texas.

E nós, país rico, "abatemos" os nossos.... Epá...
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #757 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 10:33:55 am »
Tinham as asas rachadas...à falta de um caça supersónico abusavam do T38  :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #758 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 12:07:48 pm »
Com a entrada em serviço do TFX podemos sempre pedir uns 6 T38C ao Trump...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



E já assim dois AT38 para usar no CTA...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #759 em: Outubro 20, 2020, 02:36:33 pm »
Os americas só há pouco tempo é que começaram a substituir as asas dos Talon mais usados. Dos mais de 1000 adquiridos originalmente, ainda têm cerca de 500 operacionais.
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #760 em: Outubro 21, 2020, 02:26:43 pm »
Com a entrada em serviço do TFX podemos sempre pedir uns 6 T38C ao Trump...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



E já assim dois AT38 para usar no CTA...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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Só se for para encher as rotundas de Alverca de T38.
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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #761 em: Outubro 21, 2020, 04:43:37 pm »
Com a entrada em serviço do TFX podemos sempre pedir uns 6 T38C ao Trump...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


E já assim dois AT38 para usar no CTA...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Só se for para encher as rotundas de Alverca de T38.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Esses que andam pelas rotundas são A. Os C estão noutro patamar...  ;)





http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/t38pr.htm



https://milviz.com/flight/products/T38C/

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #762 em: Outubro 21, 2020, 07:18:03 pm »
Com necessidade de treinar apenas 3-4 pilotos de caça por ano, infelizmente podem esquecer voltarmos a ter jatos de treino lead-in puramente nacionais... ou vamos ter a famigerada Escola Europeia, ou vamos enviar o povo para outros países...

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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #763 em: Outubro 22, 2020, 11:13:49 am »
Com necessidade de treinar apenas 3-4 pilotos de caça por ano, infelizmente podem esquecer voltarmos a ter jatos de treino lead-in puramente nacionais... ou vamos ter a famigerada Escola Europeia, ou vamos enviar o povo para outros países...

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Eu esquecer até esquecia. Os "caracóis" que continuam a voar às secretárias, mantendo a esquadra 103 "activa" sem aparelhos e para "inglês ver" à espera de D. Sebastião é que não me fazem esquecer (bem que podiam modificar o logo para "devagar não se chega a lado nenhum"...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:





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Re: Substituição dos Alpha-jet
« Responder #764 em: Novembro 05, 2020, 10:00:51 am »
Esta poderia ser uma boa oportunidade de Portugal, se unir a Espanha e voltar a possuir uma aeronave a reacção para a Instrução avançada de Pilotagem dos nossos Pilotos e não só.

Airbus jet trainer proposal looks beyond Spain, but may struggle for significant sales

An Airbus Defence & Space offer to build a clean-sheet advanced jet trainer for Spain could benefit from the requirements from the manufacturer’s other home nations, but may lack the economies of scale to compete on the global market.

Spain is seeking a replacement for its air force’s 19-strong fleet of Northrop F-5s, with initial operating capability status targeted for 2027.


Source: Airbus Defence & Space Digital rendering of proposed AFJT design

Airbus believes its offer – which it calls the Airbus Future Jet Trainer (AFJT) – would offer a significant boost to Spanish industry and support thousands of jobs.

In addition, building the aircraft would help to prepare suppliers for Madrid’s contribution to the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) it is developing alongside France and Germany.

Indeed, those two nations provide the most likely follow-on customers for the development. In a presentation, the airframer specifically refers to the proposal as a “baseline with growth potential” which could become the “future trainer aircraft of FCAS/NGF” – or next-generation fighter.

France currently has a fleet of 57 Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jets its uses for training, alongside 17 new Pilatus PC-21 turboprops. Germany, on the other hand, has no jet trainer provision, instead sending fast jet students to the USA for instruction.

Even assuming that both countries had a defined requirement for new advanced jet trainers and placed double-digit orders for the Airbus jet, the AFJT would struggle to match the quantities and consequent economies of scale of other aircraft on the market.

Most obviously it would lag the Boeing T-7A Red Hawk being developed for the US Air Force. The service has a requirement for 351 examples, but with Saab a partner on the programme Sweden could also favour the T-7 for its future training need, further adding to the backlog.

But closer to home, Leonardo has sold its M-346 trainer to Israel (30), Italy (22), Poland (16) and Singapore (12), plus has received an 18-unit launch order for its smaller M-345 from Italy. Portuguese leasing specialist SkyTech has previously expressed an interest in operating a fleet of M-346 aircraft on behalf of the Portuguese air force and overseas customers.





Airbus declines to comment on the AFJT’s sales prospects outside of Spain, but its presentation refers to the jet’s “high growth capacity”, which could see it take on light attack or aggressor roles or even a “future technologies demonstrator”.

“This makes the AFJT a truly competitive training system for the future that could fulfil the requirements of customers globally,” a source indicates. It would also “outpace solutions designed several years ago”.

The single-engined AFJT would be around 13.6m (44.6ft long), with a 10m wingspan and would possess “high manoeuvrability and [a] power-to-weight ratio equivalent to top-of-the-line fighters”, according to Airbus.

Spanish companies which could participate in the programme include CESA (landing gear and actuators), GMV (software and flight systems), Indra (flight simulation and systems), ITP Aero (engines), and Tecnobit (communications systems and pilot interface).

Airbus has not specified which engine would equip the AFJT, but the power requirement is understood to be in the 11,200-13,500lb (50-60kN)-thrust range: less than the 20,000lb-thrust Eurojet EJ200 for the Eurofighter or 16,500lb-thrust Safran M88 which powers the Dassault Rafale.

ITP has a 13% stake in Eurojet, compared with the 33% held by each of Rolls-Royce and MTU, and 21% by Avio Aero. However, it is unclear if the EJ200 would provide sufficient Spanish content, particularly as ITP’s contribution is limited to external parts, notably exhaust components.

Boeing has selected the 11,000lb-thrust GE Aviation F404 for the T-7, while the M-346 uses a pair of Honeywell F124s – each rated at 6,300lb-thrust, and the M-345 a single 3,400lb-thrust Williams International FJ44.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=39&page=7

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