[ACADO]

SOCOM Cancels Mk-16 SCAR
by christian on June 25, 2010 · COMMENTS (0)




In an exclusive report for Military.com we reveal that US Spec Ops Command has abandoned the 5.56 version of the SCAR and will use FY 2011 money to buy more 7.62 Mk-17s to fill a “capability gap” for a 7.62 battle rifle.

Here’s an excerpt:

In a surprising reversal that follows years of effort to design a one-of-a-kind commando rifle, the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command has abruptly decided to abandon the new SOCOM Combat Assault rifle – the “SCAR,” as the rifle is commonly known – in favor of previously-fielded carbines.

Details provided exclusively to Military.com reveal that SOCOM, the Tampa-based command that oversees the training and equipping of SEALs, Green Berets, Air Force Special Tactics Teams and Marine SOC groups, will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and might require all units who now have them to turn the new weapons back into the armory.

“The Mk-16 does not provide enough of a performance advantage over the M-4 to justify spending USSOCOM’s limited … funds when competing priorities are taken into consideration,” officials at USSOCOM said in an email response to questions from Military.com. “Currently, three of USSOCOM’s four components receive the 5.56 mm M-4 from their parent service as a service common equipment item.”

A couple things to note here, so far SOCOM has purchased 850 Mk-16s and 750 Mk-17s — way below their original requirement. The weird thing to consider here is that the requirement was for a 5.56 and that was what was competed. Now they’re buying a 7.62 that has no written requirement document attached to it.

Further, the SEALs are going to be particularly in the hurt locker on this one since the Navy doesn’t buy their guns, SOCOM does. I hear that it was Naval Special Warfare that really pushed this program and that it was the USASOC that basically killed it. More of the Mk-16s were fielded to SEALs than any other unit within SOCOM.

Also of note: I hear that the services who have them will have to hand back their Mk-16s when they’re back from deployment and pick up their old SOPMOD M4s or HK-416s. So so a final goodbye to your SCAR-16 when you’re back from The Box.

Two well-informed industry analysts tell me that SCAR-maker FNH-USA will try to sell SOCOM on the idea of a Mk-17 common receiver that can be turned into a 5.56 or other caliber by switching out part of the lower receiver. So FNH-USA is positioning itself to rescue the Mk-16 through the Mk-17. But there’s no indication that SOCOM is biting.

   http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/socom-cancels-mk-16-scar.html#ixzz0rtef9uMB

Pelo que percebo isto é de um forum!! E o proprio que escreve parece estar muito na duvida sobre o que fala!!
A confirmar-se é uma grande bomba pra FN.

[Trafaria]

O desfile finlandês pareceu tão pobrezinho, então e os aviões e a restante tropa?

Depende do ponto de vista.
Eu achei este defile riquissimo ...
Camiões Sisu de vários modelos, tamanhos e funções .... made in Finland.
Varios modelos de blindados Pasi... made in Finland.
Espingardas automaticas SAKO RK-95 ... made in Finland.
E muito, muito mais...

Enfim... valente desfile!

A propósito disto ocorreu-me que neste cantinho à beira mar plantado nem sequer as simples rações de combate são de fabrico naciomal…
Estas coisas para mim assumem-se de grande relevância.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Concurso no Peru:

[ACADO]

Concurso no Peru:

Engraçado que eles falam de armas em .308 e depois misturam uma Galil com um carregador de .223 !!! É que nem o carregador de 7,62x39 é !! Muito estranho ...

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Há uma versão para 7.62mm x 39mm e outra para 7.62mm x 51mm.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

   MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. – Amphibious operations made a debut in the Marine Corps during the Revolutionary War when Marines stormed the sands of New Providence,  Bahamas in 1776. Technology and concepts have improved since the 18th century, allowing troops to reach inland objectives faster and safer. With a top speed of 40 knots and the ability to travel ashore from more than 25 nautical miles away, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle brings another tool to the Corps’ amphibious arsenal.

Camp Pendleton’s Amphibious Vehicle Test Branch took possession of the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle Command Variant-1 System Development and Demonstration-2, also known as EFVC-1 SDD-2, June 29. AVTB will begin a series of land, amphibious and firepower tests over the next four to six months to assist General Dynamics, the vehicle’s developer, in evaluation of the advanced features on board prior to production scheduled for fiscal year 2012.

“We’re taking hold of these vehicles and starting the developmental testing this week,” said Capt. Charles R. Ibatuan, AVTB’s communications officer, who added that the communication systems remained the same, but many changes have taken place since the development of the first command variant prototype, the SDD-1, in 2003.

After a series of testing and feedback the SDD-2 was developed, replacing the first prototype, and is now the focus of the EFV program.

Following the SDD-2’s introduction, developmental test operators explained the systems and advantages over the first command variant prototype.

“The capability of the SDD-2 greatly supersedes those of its predecessor. This prototype is much more user friendly,” explained Sgt. Robert Baxter, a developmental test operator with AVTB.

With the command element in mind, the SDD-2’s mission is to provide unit commanders and selected staff the ability to communicate with subordinate units while maintaining survivability, along with water and ground maneuverability, according to EFV program documents.

“The specific mission of the Amphibious Assault Vehicle is to carry troops and cargo ashore. We’re not carrying cargo [in the EFV] but we’re getting troops inland quickly and getting them there safely, while giving them enhanced capabilities to communicate and increasing firepower,” added Baxter, 26, from Scottsdale, Ariz.

Noticeable improvements to the vehicle include a fully-stabilized 30 mm cannon and 7.62 mm machine-gun.

“The 30 mm cannon allows Marines to engage enemy vehicles, while the 7.62 mm machine-gun targets infantry in the open,” said Col. Keith M. Moore, EFV program manager.

Improved munitions are one of many changes to the vehicle’s blueprints, offering Marines assurance of lethality and increasing firepower for possible operations on foreign lands.

“The EFV is essential to the Marine Corps mission. There are programs that are absolutely and vitally important. One of those is our EFV,” said Gen. James T. Conway, Commandant of the Marine Corps.

EFV full-rate production is expected by FY15 with 573 being produced by FY25. Once in service, the EFV will allow Marines to penetrate inland objectives by sea from distances over the horizon with more speed and control while offering superb protection against opposing forces.

Eu pensava que o projecto tinha sido cancelado.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Portas vende arma ao desbarato

Em 2004, o Ministério da Defesa, então liderado por Paulo Portas, vendeu, por 50 mil dólares, uma pistola-metralhadora criada em Portugal...

Mas que treta é esta? Alguém leu o artigo?

[AtInf]

O projecto foi vendido em 2004 a um conjunto de empresários americanos por 50 000 USD. Gastou-se no desenvolvimento 15 000 000 EUR. Quando a INDEP foi fechada aproveitaram e compraram a maquinaria. Agora, segundo o artigo do CM, é um sucesso de vendas .
A ser verdade é mais um triste exemplo da má gestão neste país.

[PereiraMarques]

É a história da Pistola-Metralhadora Lusa.

http://www.lusausa.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusa_submachine_gun

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Sim senhor, o sô Portas fez um grande negócio... :roll:

[P44]

Portas vende arma ao desbarato

Em 2004, o Ministério da Defesa, então liderado por Paulo Portas, vendeu, por 50 mil dólares, uma pistola-metralhadora criada em Portugal...

Mas que treta é esta? Alguém leu o artigo?

    http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/geral/portas-me ... -4207.html

[Crypter]

O projecto foi vendido em 2004 a um conjunto de empresários americanos por 50 000 USD. Gastou-se no desenvolvimento 15 000 000 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              15 000 000      end_of_the_skype_highlighting EUR. Quando a INDEP foi fechada aproveitaram e compraram a maquinaria. Agora, segundo o artigo do CM, é um sucesso de vendas .
A ser verdade é mais um triste exemplo da má gestão neste país.

Não é o que está descrito no site oficial da Lusa!

In 1983, the LUSA-A2 SMG was developed by INDEP Industries of Portugal who, at the time, was manufacturing under license from H&K, the HK21 and the HK G3. Improvements and modifications were a continuing process, culminating in 1992, and with a development cost of 2.5 million dollars. The weapons are now used by the Portuguese and three other European countries.

Em http://www.lusausa.com/

[AtInf]

Cabeça de Martelo Escreveu:
Portas vende arma ao desbarato

Em 2004, o Ministério da Defesa, então liderado por Paulo Portas, vendeu, por 50 mil dólares, uma pistola-metralhadora criada em Portugal...

Mas que treta é esta? Alguém leu o artigo?

O projecto foi vendido em 2004 a um conjunto de empresários americanos por 50 000 USD. Gastou-se no desenvolvimento 15 000 000 EUR. Quando a INDEP foi fechada aproveitaram e compraram a maquinaria. Agora, segundo o artigo do CM, é um sucesso de vendas .
A ser verdade é mais um triste exemplo da má gestão neste país.

A noticia a que me referi foi a  publicada no CM de ontem.
Quais são as forças em Portugal que utilizam a LUSA? Segundo eu sei só foram distribuidos alguns exemplares para avaliação.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Salvo erro a Guarda Prisional tem alguns exemplares.

[nelson38899]

Salvo erro a Guarda Prisional tem alguns exemplares.

A marinha também! Na reportagem feita pela rtp, sobre a ultima viagem do submarino barracuda. lembro-me de ter visto essa arma, enquanto o submarino atravessava o estreito de Gibraltar.