[Subsea7]

Andrés Segóvia é considerado o pai da moderna guitarra clássica.

O saabGripen tem uma pergunta para aqueles colegas do Forum que gostam de guitarra clássica e que tocam Segóvia a pensar em Portugal ter FFAA preparadas para participar em operações de "Alta Intensidade".
                                                              A sério.
                                                                   
É assim;
Quando tivermos 20 F-35 e a NATO invadir a Crimeia, os nossos F-35, com os seus fantásticos pilotos e armamento do melhor que cabe no porão do bicho, vão ser chamados para participar no ataque inicial, de Máxima Intensidade?
Tipo: "For this mission, we must call the Portuguese.
                                                                     
Ou vão uns dias depois, quando os Russos estiverem feitos em merda e as operações já serem mais na "descontra"?

Calma gustavo !

[Duarte]

Fala com o Trampas.

Pois, quem entregou o Afeganistão de bandeja aos talibã, adoradores de 72 virgins (meninos)?   

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

[Charlie Jaguar]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

[sivispacem]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

Era o que por cá devia suceder, quando chegar a altura de substituir os Epsilon. Deixem-se de tucanices, que não servem as necessidades do país

[Charlie Jaguar]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

Correção: poderá ser o PC-21 ou o PC-7 Mk.II, tal como está escrito na peça. De qualquer forma, e apesar do processo levantado por um dos concorrentes, tudo indica que no caso neerlandês a Pilatus suceda à Pilatus.

[Nighthawk]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

Correção: poderá ser o PC-21 ou o PC-7 Mk.II, tal como está escrito na peça. De qualquer forma, e apesar do processo levantado por um dos concorrentes, tudo indica que no caso neerlandês a Pilatus suceda à Pilatus.

Viva!

Segundo o Scramble, na verdade optaram pelo PC-7 Mk.X: https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/dutch-ministry-of-defence-selects-the-pc-7-mkx-as-successor-of-the-pc-7m

Cumprimentos

[Charlie Jaguar]

Viva!

Segundo o Scramble, na verdade optaram pelo PC-7 Mk.X: https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/dutch-ministry-of-defence-selects-the-pc-7-mkx-as-successor-of-the-pc-7m

Cumprimentos

Ia agora mesmo colocar aqui o link do Scramble. 

[saabGripen]

A ver se percebi bem isto tudo.
Escolheram o PC-7 para treino básico.

A seguir, os pilotos transitam para uma "coisa" tipo T-6 Texan - ou Super Tucano - ou PC-21, ainda não escolhido.

Fala-se muito aqui em PC-21, mas nunca vi aqui referido o seguinte;
A Suíça é um país que controla com mão de ferro a utilização que é dada ao material de defesa por ela fabricado.
Quem pensa em adquirir o PC-21 que tire o cavalinho da chuva porque não o usa para CAS em lado nenhum.

Se a FAP quer um aparelho com essa limitação - força - que explique isso ao governo.
E as FFAA portuguesas todas que comprem muito material suíço porque assim nunca terão que intervir em lado nenhum.

[Drecas]

É cada uma....

[Sintra]

A ver se percebi bem isto tudo.
Escolheram o PC-7 para treino básico.

A seguir, os pilotos transitam para uma "coisa" tipo T-6 Texan - ou Super Tucano - ou PC-21, ainda não escolhido.

Fala-se muito aqui em PC-21, mas nunca vi aqui referido o seguinte;
A Suíça é um país que controla com mão de ferro a utilização que é dada ao material de defesa por ela fabricado.
Quem pensa em adquirir o PC-21 que tire o cavalinho da chuva porque não o usa para CAS em lado nenhum.

Se a FAP quer um aparelho com essa limitação - força - que explique isso ao governo.
E as FFAA portuguesas todas que comprem muito material suíço porque assim nunca terão que intervir em lado nenhum.

A seguir ao treino em PC-7 os pilotos Holandeses são enviados para os Estados Unidos ou para a Alemanha dependendo do tipo de avião/Helicóptero para o qual foram selecionados.
O que menos falta são exemplos de aparelhos da Pilatus, nomeadamente PC-7, utilizados em combate. Não existe nenhuma versão armada do PC-21...
Isto para dizer que o problema não seria o Governo Suiço não autorizar a utilização de hardware em combate, mas o simples facto de a Pilatus não oferecer o PC-21 para um qualquer concurso aonde seja pedido capacidades CAS.

[sivispacem]

A ver se percebi bem isto tudo.
Escolheram o PC-7 para treino básico.

A seguir, os pilotos transitam para uma "coisa" tipo T-6 Texan - ou Super Tucano - ou PC-21, ainda não escolhido.

Fala-se muito aqui em PC-21, mas nunca vi aqui referido o seguinte;
A Suíça é um país que controla com mão de ferro a utilização que é dada ao material de defesa por ela fabricado.
Quem pensa em adquirir o PC-21 que tire o cavalinho da chuva porque não o usa para CAS em lado nenhum.

Se a FAP quer um aparelho com essa limitação - força - que explique isso ao governo.
E as FFAA portuguesas todas que comprem muito material suíço porque assim nunca terão que intervir em lado nenhum.

A seguir ao treino em PC-7 os pilotos Holandeses são enviados para os Estados Unidos ou para a Alemanha dependendo do tipo de avião/Helicóptero para o qual foram selecionados.
O que menos falta são exemplos de aparelhos da Pilatus, nomeadamente PC-7, utilizados em combate. Não existe nenhuma versão armada do PC-21...
Isto para dizer que o problema não seria o Governo Suiço não autorizar a utilização de hardware em combate, mas o simples facto de a Pilatus não oferecer o PC-21 para um qualquer concurso aonde seja pedido capacidades CAS.

Nem mais. Além de que só uma cabecinha delirante é que pode considerar a FA holandesa a usar o PC-21 para CAS quando tem os Apaches na sua frota.... enfim....

[Get_It]

Entretanto, também na Holanda, continua a modernização dos AH-64D para o AH-64E.

Para mim era juntar o dinheiro deste programa ao do novo HAPE e abrir concurso da NSPA para comprar algo ao estilo do H145M.

Cumprimentos,

[saabGripen]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

Correção: poderá ser o PC-21 ou o PC-7 Mk.II, tal como está escrito na peça. De qualquer forma, e apesar do processo levantado por um dos concorrentes, tudo indica que no caso neerlandês a Pilatus suceda à Pilatus.

Viva!

Segundo o Scramble, na verdade optaram pelo PC-7 Mk.X: https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/dutch-ministry-of-defence-selects-the-pc-7-mkx-as-successor-of-the-pc-7m

Cumprimentos

Parece que alguém não leu o que diz o SCRAMBLE:

"The new training aircraft must have simple, military flying characteristics for student pilots and instructors, so an advanced Lead in Fighter Trainer like the PC-21 is not an option. After the elementary training, the students are sent to the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training Program (ENJJPT) to continue their training on the T-6 Texan II."

A seguir ao PC-7 vão para os States e passam para o T6.
O que é que isto tem a ver com Apaches?
É que assim dá para entender porque é que a Holanda é identificada como cliente potencial do Super Tucano N.

Quanto a autorizações suíças.

"Rheinmetall has traditionally produced a large part of its ammunition for medium-caliber weapons in Switzerland. However, in the face of the Swiss re-export ban and initial supply difficulties, including delays in the delivery of ammunition manufactured in Norway, the company invested in new production capacity in Germany. This development required a mix of reverse engineering and adaptive development to efficiently produce munitions compatible with the Gepard."

Esta notícia refere-se á proibição, da parte da Suíça, do envio de munições 35mm do GEPARD para a Ucrânia.

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2024/germany-increases-the-delivery-of-35mm-gepard-anti-aircraft-ammunition-to-ukraine?utm_content=cmp-true

Agora eu quero saber onde anda o que disse que tenho "uma cabecinha delirante"
Quero aprofundar este tema com ele. 

[sivispacem]

Bom, e aparentemente os Países Baixos escolheram... o Pilatus PC-21.

4Aviation News

Royal Netherlands Air Force replaces its PC-7 trainers

The Dutch Ministry of Defense announced that they acquire eight new Pilatus training aircraft as well as two flight simulators with accompanying teaching aids. The eight aircraft will replace thirteen Pilatus PC-7s which are in service since 1988 with the 131 (EMVO) Squadron (Elementaire Militaire Vlieger Opleiding, Elementary Military Pilot Training) at Woensdrecht air base (the Netherlands).

From 2013 onwards, the PC-7s of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLU, Royal Netherlands Air Force) underwent a service life extension and modification program with manufacturer Pilatus at Stans (Switzerland). In late 2020, it was announced by the then government that the modified trainers could continue operations until 2027. And that's exactly what's going to happen, as State secretary Gijs Tuinman told The House of Representatives on 14 October that the PC-7Ms will be replaced in the first half of 2027 by a modern type of the same manufacturer, Pilatus. Strikingly, the exact type was not mentioned, but undoubtedly this is the PC-21. It is not fully excluded that the KLu decides for the PC-7 MkII. This is a PC-7 with PC-9/-21 capabilities. The PC-9 is excluded as the type is out of production (some second-hand examples are available at Stans, but this sounds unlikely for the Dutch).

The students of the current fleet of PC-7s, and the future fleet of PC-21s acquire indispensable skills. They learn to maintain control in emergency situations or during complex maneuvers. In addition, they are prepared for their further training as pilots of the KLu F-35As, the C-130H and future C-390s or one of the types of helicopters (CH-47F, AS532UL, AH-64E and future H225M). Pilatus has been awarded the contract for the time being. The losing party to the tender filed a lawsuit against Defense, a so-called summary judgment. The judge must first equalize the defense. Only then is the contract to be signed. In 2020 it was rumored that Embraer with their EMB314 Super Tucano as well as Textron Aviation with their T-6A Texan II, Grob with their Grob 120 and Dart with their Dart 550 were possible competitors for the order too. It is not revealed which company files a lawsuit.

If Pilatus eventually wins the order, the eight PC-21s are intended to fly up to 2,150 hours a year and allow up to sixty students to start training. Of the eight aircraft, Tuinman explained that six aircraft should be available for training flights, one will act as a logistics reserve and one should be in maintenance. Of course all eight serials will rotate all times in this proposal. On top of this, the two simulators give the students 2.650 hours ground-based training. In the whole training program, the flight training will make more use of simulation, so fewer training aircraft are needed than now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4aviation.flightline/permalink/8424703134288354/

Correção: poderá ser o PC-21 ou o PC-7 Mk.II, tal como está escrito na peça. De qualquer forma, e apesar do processo levantado por um dos concorrentes, tudo indica que no caso neerlandês a Pilatus suceda à Pilatus.

Viva!

Segundo o Scramble, na verdade optaram pelo PC-7 Mk.X: https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/dutch-ministry-of-defence-selects-the-pc-7-mkx-as-successor-of-the-pc-7m

Cumprimentos

Parece que alguém não leu o que diz o SCRAMBLE:

"The new training aircraft must have simple, military flying characteristics for student pilots and instructors, so an advanced Lead in Fighter Trainer like the PC-21 is not an option. After the elementary training, the students are sent to the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training Program (ENJJPT) to continue their training on the T-6 Texan II."

A seguir ao PC-7 vão para os States e passam para o T6.
O que é que isto tem a ver com Apaches?





.

Quanto a autorizações suíças.

"Rheinmetall has traditionally produced a large part of its ammunition for medium-caliber weapons in Switzerland. However, in the face of the Swiss re-export ban and initial supply difficulties, including delays in the delivery of ammunition manufactured in Norway, the company invested in new production capacity in Germany. This development required a mix of reverse engineering and adaptive development to efficiently produce munitions compatible with the Gepard."

Esta notícia refere-se á proibição, da parte da Suíça, do envio de munições 35mm do GEPARD para a Ucrânia.

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2024/germany-increases-the-delivery-of-35mm-gepard-anti-aircraft-ammunition-to-ukraine?utm_content=cmp-true

Agora eu quero saber onde anda o que disse que tenho "uma cabecinha delirante"
Quero aprofundar este tema com ele.

Aqui: "É que assim dá para entender porque é que a Holanda é identificada como cliente potencial do Super Tucano N",
Apenas para dar um exemplo, que tenho pouca pachorra para o aturar, apesar de na maior parte das vezes até me fazer rir.... 

[saabGripen]

Bem;

Grande parte do que escrevo é para te fazer rir.
Se é isso que acontece, está tudo bem.

Porque o que eu te faço pensar sobre Tucanos e o que tu me fazes pensar a mim sobre Tucanos, no fim tem um resultado de Zero.
Eu a rir-me quando escrevo algo aqui e tu a rires quando lês - isso já dá uma soma maior que zero.