Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #795 em: Julho 16, 2014, 05:24:27 pm »
Citação de: "papatango"
É importante lembrar que as mentiras da imprensa controlada pelos fascistas russos ultrapassam os limites, mas são bem fabricadas. Fazendo referência à invenção das «profissionais» russas, lembro que a questão da presença da defunta Blackwater começou logo em MARÇO DE 2014 e não em Maio de 2014 conforme os fascistas russos prentendem.
Os fascistas russos começaram a fazer circular videos na Internet, onde se acusava a Blackwater (morta e enterrada há anos) de ter enviado homens para a Ucrânia.

Em Março estavam em Odessa. E a televisão iraniana passou extratos dos videos russos:

Posteriormente, a imprensa alemã publicou um rumor sobre o caso, não referindo a Blackwater (entretanto tinha-se concluido que a empresa já não existia) mas a Academi na Ucrânia. A notícia foi desmentida várias vezes, era mentira, mas a RT continuou a insistir, que apenas tinha transmitido o que os alemães tinham dito, ocultando a verdadeira origem do boato.


Lembro-me disso e aqui está em 9 de Março: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10877&start=150#p241833
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #796 em: Julho 16, 2014, 06:00:32 pm »
MAIS UM ATAQUE INFUNDADO A RT. VOU PARTIR DO PRINCIPIO QUE TODOS SABEMOS LER INGLES E QUE NOS DAMOS AO TRABALHO DE LER AS NOTICIAS ATE AO FIM. EIS O QUE A RT REPORTOU A 9 DE MARCO

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-blackwate ... ussia-794/


‘Blackwater’ footage: Who are the mercenaries in Ukraine?

Published time: March 09, 2014 19:51



Videos have sprung on YouTube alleging that the US private security service formerly known as Blackwater is operating in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk. Western press is hitting back, accusing Russia of fabricating reports to justify “aggression.”

The authenticity of videos allegedly made in downtown Donetsk on March 5 is hard to verify. In the footage, unidentified armed men in military outfits equipped with Russian AK assault rifles and American М4А1 carbines are securing the protection of some pro-Kiev activists amidst anti-government popular protests.


The regional administration building in Donetsk has changed hands many times, with either pro-Russian protesters or pro-Kiev forces declaring capture of the authority headquarters. In the logic of the tape, at some point the new officials appointed by revolutionary Kiev managed to occupy the administration, but then – as the building was surrounded by angry protesters – demanded to secure a safe evacuation.


This is where the armed professionals come in. The protesters, after several moments of shock, start shouting, “Blackwater!,” and “Mercenaries!,” as well as “Faggots!,” and “Who are you going to shoot at?!” But the armed men drive off in the blink of an eye without saying a word.

Surely these men were not Blackwater – simply because such a company does not exist anymore. It has changed its name twice in recent years and is now called Academi.

The latest article on the case, published by the Daily Mail, claims that though these people did look like professional mercenaries, they conducted the operation too openly.

“On the face of it, the uniforms of the people in the videos are consistent with US mercs - they don't look like Russian soldiers mercs. On the other hand, why run around in public making a show of it?” said DM Dr Nafeez Ahmed, a security expert with the Institute for Policy Research & Development.

“I think the question is whether the evidence available warrants at least reasonable speculation.”

Ahmed also added that “Of course the other possibility is it's all Russian propaganda.”

Why would Russia need to make such provocation? The Daily Mail explained that “any suggestion that a US mercenary outfit like Blackwater, known now as Academi, had begun operating in east Ukraine could give Russian President Vladimir Putin the pretext for a military invasion.”

Other western media outlets are maintaining that a “Russian invasion” has already began, because the heavily armed military personnel now controlling all major infrastructure in Crimea are “obviously” Russians.


Armed men march outside an Ukrainian military base in the village of Perevalnoye near the Crimean city of Simferopol March 9, 2014.(Reuters / Thomas Peter )

The Daily Beast media outlet went even further. On the last day of February, it published an article alleging that “polite Russians” in Crimea are actually...employees of Russian security service providers.

While there are indeed several military-oriented security service providers in Russia, it however appears highly unlikely that all of them combined could provide personnel for such a wide-scale operation.

At the beginning of the week, Russian state TV reported that several hundred armed men with military-looking bags arrived to the international airport of Kiev.

It was reported that the tough guys are employees of Greystone Limited, a subsidiary of Vehicle Services Company LLC belonging to Blackwater/XE/Academi.

Greystone Limited mercenaries are part of what is called ‘America’s Secret Army,’ providing non-state military support not constrained by any interstate agreements, The Voice of Russia reported.

But they are not the only ones. A Russian national that took part in clashes in Kiev was arrested in Russia’s Bryansk region this week. He made a statement on record that he met a large number of foreigners taking active part in the fighting with police.

He claimed he saw dozens of military-clad people from Germany, Poland, and Turkey, as well as English speakers who were possibly from the US, Russkaya Gazeta reported earlier this week.

Ivan Fursov, RT

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #797 em: Julho 16, 2014, 06:43:28 pm »
a 9 de marco os media alemaes ja falavam destas coisas

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #799 em: Julho 17, 2014, 12:15:29 am »
mais sanções contra a russia. boas noticias para a russia que bem precisa de diversificar a sua economia.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741006

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #800 em: Julho 17, 2014, 01:11:30 am »
vejam a entrevista do putin no brasil ha coisa de 2 horas

http://rt.com/news/173372-putin-brics-us-sanctions/
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #802 em: Julho 17, 2014, 05:20:37 pm »
Avião da Malaysia Airlines com 295 pessoas cai na Ucrânia
Aparelho, um Boeing, viajava de Amsterdão para Kuala Lumpur. Conselheiro do ministro do Interior da Ucrânia diz que foi abatido por míssil.

http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/aviao-malaio-com-295-passageiros-cai-na-ucrania-1663301

Dá a sensação que foi abatido por separatistas pró-russos, mas vamos aguardar por mais informação.
 

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #803 em: Julho 17, 2014, 05:37:38 pm »
 

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #804 em: Julho 17, 2014, 06:30:19 pm »
Dificilmente poderiam ser os separatistas pro-russos, já que o avião foi abatido a 33.000 pés, ou seja, um pouco mais de 10km de altitude.
Os mísseis que os russos forneceram aos terroristas de Donetsk e Luhansk não podem atingir estas altitudes.
Há no entanto noticia de que um sistema BUK-M1 foi capturado pelos rebeldes há algumas semanas, pelo que, com apoio russo, e os radares operacionais, o míssil poderia ter sido utilizado

A Ucrânia, não tem mísseis anti-aéreos de médio alcance na região, porque os rebeldes não possuem aviões e os ucranianos temiam atingir os seus próprios aviões.
O avião já tinha atravessado praticamente toda a Ucrânia e estava a entrar no espaço aéreo russo. A outra possibilidade é que os russos o tenham abatido.

Entretanto o avião caiu em território controlado pelos terroristas pro-russos, e eles não vão deixar ninguém chegar lá, para evitar que se tirem conclusões.
É muito mais fácil enganar uma pessoa, que explicar-lhe que foi enganada ...
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #805 em: Julho 17, 2014, 08:11:29 pm »

Citar
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In one group supporting the militias and DNR LC published the news that the militia shot down the aircraft AN-26, 15 minutes later began to appear in the media reported that in the same area fell Malaysian Boeing 777 . 5 minutes later, the news of a downed AH-26 has been removed. Interesting ...

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #806 em: Julho 17, 2014, 08:31:20 pm »
Ia perguntar, em jeito sarcástico, se já tinham começado a culpar os russos pela queda do avião.
Pelos vistos já vou atrasado...

É tão descarado e pimba que já bocejo.

As coisas devem estar para aquecer, pois o spinner da FLAD já voltou ao serviço.

Haverá alguma relação ente este acidente e o desaparecimento do MH370?
Um a acabar a missão do outro?
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #807 em: Julho 17, 2014, 09:18:42 pm »
tou surpreendido com a velocidade das conclusões. já se sabe que o avião foi abatido, já se sabe que tipo de arma foi usado, e até já circulam por ai comunicaçoes interceptadas pela SBU. Desde que a CIA passou a instalar-se em Kiev, nunca vi tanta eficiência

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine ... 56545.html


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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #808 em: Julho 17, 2014, 09:54:10 pm »
já eu não estou absolutamente nada surpreendido com as tias soviéticas e as desculpas do costume.

A última que as tias avançaram, foi que cães capitalistas queriam matar esse «homem» macho que é Putin e confundiram um aviao que vinha do Sul para o norte, com um avião que ía de norte para sul, e passou naquele lugar 45 minutos depois.

É quase como uma tia soviética passar no Parque Eduardo VII à noite, ser violado, vai à policia, e fica muito surpreendido quando lhe dizem imediatamente, que provavelmente é capaz de não ter sido violado por um OVNI  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

Ainda vamos ver as tias estalinistas a garantir que o avião era o mesmo, que desapareceu na Austrália, e que isto é tudo uma grande conspiração para ocultar o controlo dos Marcianos.
E o Putin, é o único que não está controlado, porque secretamente ele usa aquela folha de aluminio na cabeça... :moca:
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #809 em: Julho 17, 2014, 10:13:56 pm »
http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-ai ... -2-581200/

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia ... 1405612373

Malaysia Airlines Plane Was Hit by Surface-to-Air Missile, U.S. Officials Say

Airline Confirms It Lost Contact With MH17 Over Eastern Ukraine

By
Paul Sonne And
Alan Cullison

Updated July 17, 2014 4:43 p.m. ET



A Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.17% plane carrying 295 passengers and crew came down Thursday while flying over the battle-torn east Ukraine region of Donetsk, after it was hit by what U.S. intelligence agencies said was a surface-to-air missile.

The intelligence sources didn't say whether the missile was fired by Ukrainian forces or pro-Russia separatist rebels.

Malaysia Airlines said contact was lost with Flight 17 about 50 kilometers (30 miles) from the Russia-Ukraine border. The Boeing BA -1.21% 777 departed from Amsterdam around noon on Thursday and was due to arrive in Kuala Lumpur early Friday.

Ukraine's state air-traffic control service confirmed the flight had crashed and said a special investigation commission has been rushed to the scene.

The plane went down near the village of Hrabove in the Donetsk region while flying at a height of about 10,000 meters (32,800 feet), according to Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Ministry.

The crash immediately sparked speculation about the cause. For months, Ukrainian forces have been trying to subdue pro-Russia separatists who seized towns across the region in April and declared an independent republic. The fighting escalated this week when Ukrainian authorities reported that one of its military cargo planes and one of its military fighter jets had been downed in the area.

The disaster comes as a new trauma for Malaysia Airlines, the carrier already at the center of a global mystery over the disappearance of one of its flights in March, another Boeing 777 that went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Footage captured by locals from the wreckage site showed a massive grey plume of smoke emerging from a field before sunset. Subsequent images pictured Ukrainian emergency forces hosing down the wreckage, as well as passports, tickets and pieces of bodies found in tact near the crash site.





The war of accusations kicked off immediately after the crash. In a phone call with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Gerashchenko alleged that pro-Russia rebels had set up a ground-to-air missile battery near the Russian border by the town of Snizhne.

"They clearly thought that it was a military transport plane that they were shooting at," he said. "They were the ones who did this." His claims couldn't be verified.

In a Facebook post, Mr. Gerashchenko alleged that the separatists had obtained a Buk surface-to-air missile system that he said locals saw them parading near the towns of Snizhne and Torez during the day on Thursday. He said a convoy with the anti-aircraft missile was seen heading toward Shakhtarsk, a town not far from the crash site, about an hour before the plane went down late Thursday afternoon.

In late June, separatist leaders told the Russian news outlets RIA Novosti and Interfax that they had taken control of a Ukrainian air-defense base near the village of Oleksiivka equipped with Buk missiles. The Donetsk People's Republic also posted a photo of the missiles, sometimes known as Gadfly systems, on its official Twitter feed at the time, declaring a victory in having seized the weaponry.

But on Thursday, separatist leaders denied that they had surface-to-air missiles such as the Buk system that were powerful enough to shoot down a Boeing 777 flying at such a height.

Sergei Kavtaradze, one of the leaders of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic, accused Ukrainian forces of having shot down the plane.

"The plane was shot down by the Ukrainian side," he told the Interfax news agency. "We simply don't have those kind of air defense systems."

Ukraine's president and prime minister didn't immediately assign blame for the incident.

Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk ordered a special investigation into the crash, as well as the downing of a Ukrainian AN-26 military cargo aircraft and a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet in the same area earlier this week.

"This is the third tragic incident in recent days after the AN-26 and SU-25 were shot down," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said in a statement. "We can't rule out that this plane was also shot down, but we underscore that the Ukrainian armed forces were not carrying out any actions to strike airborne targets."

If a passenger jet was shot down over Ukraine, attackers would have had to use a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system, not the shoulder-fired weapons that are more accessible and easier to use.

Those weapons, nicknamed manpads, have been used in attacks against commercial aircraft in the past. But their rangedoesn't approach the 30,000-foot cruising altitude of passenger jets.

The Federal Aviation Administration said that Ukraine had advised pilots on Monday not to fly over the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine at altitudes between 26,000 and 32,000 feet—a height that Flight 17 appeared to have been exceeding before it crashed.

Under a codeshare agreement between Malaysia Air and the Dutch airline KLM, the downed flight was also flying as Flight KL4103. Dutch public broadcaster NOS reported that at least 55 Dutch citizens were on board the plane, based on early estimates of domestic travel agencies. Relatives of passengers gathered late Thursday at a restaurant in Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport to be briefed by officials. The people were escorted by security officers and couldn't be approached for comment.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said at least four French citizens were on board Flight 17. Air France, AF.FR -1.45% KLM, Lufthansa LHA.XE -2.37% and Air India announced that they would no longer route planes over the contested regions of eastern Ukraine. The FAA said U.S. airlines had also agreed to avoid the region.

Mr. Poroshenko expressed condolences to the relatives of those killed and said Ukrainian authorities were engaging in all possible rescue efforts.

Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his sympathies to the prime minister of Malaysia for the crash over Ukrainian airspace, according to a statement published on the Kremlin's website.

"The Russian head of state asked to convey his most sincere words of sympathy and support to the families and friends of the victims," the Kremlin said. In 2001, the Ukrainian military mistakenly shot down a commercial passenger jet that was en route from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk with a land-to-air missile that was fired during a military exercise. All the 66 passengers and 12 crew members on board the plane were killed in the blast.

In Malaysia, Prime Minister Najib Razak expressed shock and said the government was launching an immediate investigation into the incident.

—Robert Wall, Alexander Kolyandr and Andrey Ostroukh contributed to this article.
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