Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #630 em: Maio 22, 2014, 12:54:30 pm »
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Intense Fighting Flares in Eastern Ukraine

At Least 13 Soldiers Killed; Attacks Expected to Increase Before Presidential Elections

By James Marson
Updated May 22, 2014 4:12 p.m. ET

OLHYNKA, Ukraine—Just after dawn, masked men in four minivans roared up to an army checkpoint near this eastern village and opened fire with guns and grenade-launchers, leaving at least a dozen soldiers dead and more than 30 injured, according to fellow soldiers and local residents.

The attack Thursday was the deadliest in weeks of fighting, as government forces have tried to crush pro-Russia separatists ahead of presidential elections Sunday that are supposed to help glue the country together.

The clashes in the volatile Donetsk and Luhansk regions worsened even as Russia, which has already annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula, began edging its troops back from its neighbor's eastern border. Western military officials confirmed some movement was under way, although they said large numbers remained.

The separatists have vowed to derail the vote, and the surge in deadly violence could be an attempt to intimidate people into staying home, depressing the turnout. Russian officials have said the instability casts doubt on the legitimacy of any results.

Andriy Parubiy, secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, said the separatists were expected to increase their attacks in the remaining days ahead of Sunday's vote. Ukraine blames Russia for fueling the insurgency with men and weapons, a charge Moscow denies.

The violence also highlighted the challenge the government faces even if the vote goes ahead: heavily armed insurgents who can strike at will across the east against often poorly trained military units.

The checkpoint attacked was manned by reservists on a road some 32 kilometers, or 20 miles, south of the regional capital of Donetsk that had been peaceful until now, far from the main fighting.

Officials in the capital Kiev said pro-Russia rebels killed at least 13 soldiers in the Donetsk region, and reported several attacks on troops across the east.

"Today a major operation was prepared on all fronts and it was repulsed," Mr. Parubiy told a briefing in Kiev, according to the Interfax news agency.

Separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk confirmed fighting on several fronts and said at least 20 people were killed, though it wasn't clear whether that included the army.

In the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic, one of the two regions where separatists have declared independence, the self-styled "people's governor" declared martial law Thursday as a result of heavy fighting around the city of Lysychansk. Interfax reported from Luhansk that stores, schools and state agencies were closing early.

Separatists near Luhansk blew up a bridge over the Siverskiy Donets river in several hours of fighting, Interfax reported, citing local witnesses. Separatists also took over four coal mines in the Luhansk region and demanded workers turn over explosives used for mining, the Energy Ministry said.

The worst fighting appeared to take place near Volnovakha, a town of some 20,000 on the road south from Donetsk.

The army unit of some 50 reservists from the west of Ukraine had set up a checkpoint with three armored vehicles between the villages of Olhynka and Blahodatne on Tuesday, according to local residents.

Shortly after 4 a.m. Thursday, around 20 masked, heavily armed men in minivans drove up to the checkpoint and opened fire from automatic weapons and grenade launchers, according to the residents and two soldiers at Volnovakha hospital.

Photographs and video of the aftermath uploaded to YouTube showed several burned-out military vehicles and dead soldiers lying in a field nearby.

The Defense Ministry said rebels had hit an armored vehicle, which exploded along with its ammunition. Residents said they saw a huge plume of smoke.

"Under heavy fire from mortars, grenade-launchers and heavy machine-guns, our boys died for Ukraine," said acting President Oleksandr Turchynov in Kiev.

He gave the death toll as 13, but other officials later said it was 16.

In nearby Volnovakha, ambulances were still ferrying corpses to the hospital midafternoon.

"We just keep bringing them then going back to fetch more," said the driver of an ambulance, who was washing down a stretcher after delivering a charred corpse to the morgue.

At the hospital, a man in fatigues who said he was an officer of the 51st brigade said 15 members of the unit had been killed and 31 injured.

"Only seven didn't have a scratch," he said. He said he had received a report on the attack from soldiers who were there.

He said the troops had managed to fire back at the unidentified attackers, causing casualties.

After a 15-minute firefight, the masked men discussed whether to finish the injured soldiers off, but decided to leave them.

"I don't know who they were. They looked like professionals, some kind of mercenaries," he said. "They did it so everyone else could see."

Local residents said the vehicles used by the attackers looked like armored cars used by banks for cash deliveries.

Russia's Kremlin-friendly Life News website reported the vehicles carried the markings of PrivatBank, owned by Igor Kolomoisky, a tycoon and governor of a neighboring region, which has resisted the separatists.

The bank issued a statement saying separatists had hijacked 15 of its armored vehicles in the last two weeks "to organize provocations."

The residents and the officer said two helicopters had flown over the area two hours after the attack and shot up the road, destroying one vehicle that the attackers had left behind.

The Associated Press cited the leader of one of several separatist groups, based in the town of Horlivka near the regional capital of Donetsk, as claiming responsibility for the attack. His group displayed weapons that it said were seized from the soldiers, the AP reported.

Infighting appeared to have hobbled separatists in recent days. At least one "minister" in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic left after a disagreement. The self-appointed mayor of Slovyansk told reporters that the man didn't accept the authority of the separatists.

But rebels still have sufficient resources to fight Ukraine's army and disrupt the presidential ballot.

Election officials said that more than half of the 34 district election commission are under control of the separatists.

Ukraine's military operation in the east is also making slow progress, amid anger from some locals about the troops' presence.

In Volnovakha, one man asked troops perched on an armored vehicle why they were there. "Why don't you take the Russian flag down from your town hall?" retorted a soldier.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #632 em: Maio 22, 2014, 03:55:26 pm »
Dá sensação que mais tarde ou mais cedo o leste ucraniano se vai tornar uma nova Síria.
 

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #633 em: Maio 22, 2014, 03:57:08 pm »
Já imaginas-te a fonte de desestabilização que seria para a Europa no seu todo?!

Mas já se está a adivinhar isso à já algum tempo.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #635 em: Maio 22, 2014, 11:51:20 pm »
uma voz que gosto de ouvir. dada a extensão do artigo fica o link

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Turmoil.htm
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #636 em: Maio 23, 2014, 09:44:08 am »
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Muitos, como Hillary Clinton, compararam a crise na Ucrânia e a incorporação da Crimeia ao Estado russo à crise de 1938, quando Hitler avançou sobre a Checoslováquia. Esqueceram-se de que a Grande Política então se fazia por pactos e alianças e, sobretudo, de que não havia a arma nuclear. Um geopolítico crítico, da velha escola, lembraria que, hoje, a Grande Política se rege pela certeza, garantida, da destruição mútua (MAD), que torna a guerra de fato uma loucura.


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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #637 em: Maio 23, 2014, 10:08:21 am »
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Ukraine SITREP May 22th, 19:32 UTC/Zulu: Ukie death squad murders conscripts

Something really weird has just happened in the Ukraine.  Everybody agrees that an attack took place on a checkpoint of the Ukrainian national guard near the city of Volnovakha (see map).  35 soldiers were wounded, 15 died (other figures quote 8 confirmed dead and an unknown number of evacuated bodies of attackers who got killed; one source says "13-20 fatalities").  The surviving soldiers say that out of 53 men, only 7 survived.

So far all the sources point to the same sequence of events.  Here is what I pieced together:

A Ukrainian national guard unit (according to one source the 51st motorized brigade which had been hastily made up with middle-aged reservists) brought in from the city of Vinnitsa.  For three days were were told to man a checkpoint, but today they were given the order to attack civilians in a nearby village.  The unit refused and the commander announced that he would withdraw because "there were no terrorists here, only civilians".  At around 5AM a black sedan, two jeeps and several vehicles (vans and armored) of the company Privat Bank (belongs to the Jewish oligarch Kolomoiski) carrying members of the "Donbass" and "Azov" death-squads drove to the checkpoint and opened fire with everything they had.  The soldiers fired back as best they could.   The attack lasted 15min after which the attackers put on some Saint George ribbons and beat up the surviving and wounded soldiers while telling them that they were from the Donbass Resistance forces.  Not a single solider believed them.

About one hour later two or three more helicopters were seen shooting at the destroyed vehicles of the attackers in an apparent attempt to conceal their origin (Privat Bank).  Still, witnesses have categorically identified the vans used by Privat Bank.  There is also video footage confirming this.

This is a video showing the attack helicopters and the explosion of what was either an ammo dump or the ammo load of an infantry fighting vehicle.


The next video shows the aftermath of the attack


This version of events was confirmed in a telephone conversation by the commander of the Ukrainian army brigade to whom the attacked unit belonged.  It was also confirmed to the BBC, off the record, by a Major of the same brigade.  Officials of the Donetsk People's Republic categorically deny that their forces were involved in the attack.

Furthermore, wounded Ukrainian soldiers interviewed in the local hospitals declared that they had a non-aggression agreement with the local Donetsk Resistance forces.  They also confirmed that the attackers were from the Privat Bank.

In other words, the Ukrainian soldiers were murdered for refusing to execute an order which amounted to a war crime.  Just as in the case of the bloodbath in Odessa, this latest atrocity was ordered by Igor Kolomoiski.

Interestingly, the Ukie media is now reporting a wave of attacks on Privat Bank vans which, the media claims, "could be used by terrorists".

This is not the first time that such a massacre is committed by the neo-Nazi junta: this is also what happened during the recent massacre of all the members of a police station in Mariupol who had refused to shoot at civilians: they were also all murdered.

In the meantime, in Lugansk heavy fighting is taking place and 24  Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered to the Resistance forces near the city of Rubezhnaia.  The Ukrainian soldiers did not come empty handed: they brought several trucks and an anti-air gun with them.

The resistance estimates the total strength of the Ukrainian forces in the Lugansk area at 6'000 soldiers.  Lugansk is bracing for an imminent assault, administrations and schools are now closed.

What we can say today is that so far the situation is close to catastrophic for the junta in Kiev.  Clearly most conscripted soldiers are refusing to obey as for the death squads, they are only good to terrorize civilians or, at best, lightly armed folks.

The current attack will probably continue - at least this is what the freaks in Kiev have announced - but unless the Ukies have some hidden card up their sleeves, this operations most unlikely to succeed.

I wish that somebody in the Ukrainian military realized that this is the perfect timing for a coup.  No need to be a Chief of Staff or anything like that.  One well-connected and respected Colonel would do.

I am not holding by breath though.

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #638 em: Maio 23, 2014, 05:54:57 pm »
http://news.usni.org/2014/05/23/u-s-sends-guided-missile-cruiser-black-sea-2-nato-ships-region

Vai crescendo de tonelagem. Ainda acabam com um LHA no Mar Negro...  :mrgreen:

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #639 em: Maio 24, 2014, 07:20:25 pm »
em véspera de "eleições" um exemplo de perseguição de kiev aos opositores do novo governo. ( 20 de maio Kharkiv)

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #641 em: Maio 26, 2014, 04:32:35 pm »
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Aviões de combate do governo ucraniano conduziram ataques aéreos contra rebeldes pró-Rússia que invadiram e incendiaram hoje o aeroporto internacional de Donetsk, enquanto ambos os lados encenam uma agressiva demonstração de força após a eleição de um novo presidente, Petro Poroshenko.


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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #642 em: Maio 27, 2014, 09:43:46 am »
Ukraine Crisis: Russia’s Rise to Global Power

by Paul Craig Roberts   |  May 26, 2014

Western propaganda about events in Ukraine has two main purposes.  One is to cover up, or to distract from, Washington’s role in overthrowing the elected democratic government of Ukraine.  The other is to demonize Russia.

The truth is known, but truth is not a part of the Western TV and print media. The intercepted telephone call between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt reveals the two coup plotters discussing which of Washington’s stooges will be installed as Washington’s person in the new puppet government.  The intercepted telephone call between Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy official Catherine Ashton revealed suspicions, later confirmed by independent reports, that the sniper fire that killed people on both sides of the Kiev protests came from the Washington-backed side of the conflict.

To summarize, when Washington orchestrated in 2004 the “Orange Revolution” and the revolution failed to deliver Ukraine into Western hands, Washington, according to Victoria Nuland, poured $5 billion into Ukraine over the next ten years.  The money went to politicians, whom Washington groomed, and to non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that operate as educational, pro-democracy, and human rights groups, but in fact are Washington’s fifth columns.

When President Yanukovych, after considering the costs and benefits, rejected the invitation for Ukraine to join the European Union, Washington sent its well-funded NGOs into action.  Protests broke out in Kiev demanding that Yanukovych change his decision and join the EU.

These protests were peaceful, but soon ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis appeared and introduced violence into the protests. The protest demands changed from “join the EU” to “overthrow Yanukovych and his government.”

Political chaos ensued.  Washington installed a puppet government, which Washington represented as a democratic force against corruption.  However, the ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis, such as the Right Sector, began intimidating members of Washington’s stooge government.  Perhaps in response, Washington’s stooges began issuing threats against the Russian speaking population in Ukraine.

Areas of southern and eastern Ukraine are former Russian territories added to Ukraine by Soviet leaders.  Lenin added Russian areas to Ukraine in early years of the Soviet Union, and Khrushchev added Crimea in 1954.  The people in these Russian areas, alarmed by the destruction of Soviet war memorials commemorating the Red Army’s liberation of Ukraine from Hitler, by the banning of Russian as an official language, and by physical assaults on Russian-speaking people in Ukraine broke out in protests.  Crimea voted its independence and requested reunification with Russia, and so have the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Washington, its EU puppets, and the Western media have denied that the votes in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk are sincere and spontaneous.  Instead, Washington alleges that the protests leading to the votes and the votes themselves were orchestrated by the Russian government with the use of bribes, threats, and coercion.  Crimea was said to be a case of Russian invasion and annexation.

These are blatant lies, and the foreign observers of the elections know it, but they have no voice in the Western media, which is a Ministry of Propaganda for Washington. Even the once proud BBC lies for Washington.

Washington has succeeded in controlling the explanation of the “Ukrainian crisis.”  The unified peoples in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk have been branded “terrorists.”  In contrast, the Ukrainian neo-nazis have been elevated to membership in the “democratic coalition.”  Even more amazing, the neo-nazis are being described in the Western media as “liberators” of the protest regions from “terrorists.”  Most likely, the Russophobic neo-nazi militias are becoming Washington’s stooge government’s army, because so many units of the Ukrainian military have been unwilling to fire on peaceful protestors.

The question before us is how will Russia’s leader, President Putin, play this game. His hesitancy or reluctance to accept Donetsk and Luhansk again as part of Russia is used by the Western media to make him look weak and intimidated. Within Russia this will be used against Putin by Washington-funded GGOs and by Russian nationalists.

Putin understands this, but Putin also understands that Washington wants him to confirm their demonized portrait of him.  If Putin accepts requests from Donetsk and Luhansk to return to Russia, Washington will repeat its allegation that Russia invaded and annexed.  Most likely, Putin is not weak and intimidated, but for good reasons Putin does not want to give Washington more propaganda to employ in Europe.

Washington’s press for sanctions against Russia has an obstacle in Germany. The German Chancellor, Merkel, is Washington’s vassal, but Germany’s foreign Minister, Frank Walter Steinmeier and German industry are no friends of sanctions.  In addition to Germany’s dependence on natural gas from Russia, thousands of German companies are doing business in Russia, and the employment of several hundred thousands of Germans is dependent on economic relations with Russia.  Former German Chancellors Helmut Schmidt and Gerhard Schroeder have slammed Merkel for her subservience to Washington. Merkel’s position is weak, because she has stupidly put herself in the position of sacrificing the interests of Germany to Washington’s interests.

Putin, who has demonstrated that he is not the typical dumb Western politician, sees in the conflict between Washington’s pressure on Germany and Germany’s real interests a chance to break up NATO and the EU.  If Germany decides, as Yanukovych did, that Germany’s interests lie in its economic relations with Russia, not in being a puppet state of Washington, can Washington overthrow the government of Germany and install a more reliable puppet?

Perhaps Germany has had enough of Washington.  Still occupied by Washington’s troops 69 years after the end of World War II, Germany has had its educational practices, its history, its foreign policy, and its membership in the EU and euro mechanism coerced by Washington.  If Germans have any national pride, and as a very recently unified peoples, they might still have some national pride, these impositions by Washington are too much to accept.

The last thing Germany wants is a confrontation, economic or military, with Russia. Germany’s vice chancellor, Sigmar Gabriel, said that it “was certainly not smart to create the impression in Ukraine that it had to decide between Russia and the EU.”

If the Russian government decides that Washington’s control of Ukraine, or whatever part remains after secession, is an unacceptable strategic threat to Russia, the Russian military will seize Ukraine, historically part of Russia.  If Russia occupies Ukraine, there is nothing Washington can do but resort to nuclear war.  NATO countries, with their own existence at stake, will not agree to this option.

Putin can take the Ukraine back whenever he wants and turn his back on the West, a declining corrupt entity mired in depression and looting by the capitalist class.  The 21st century belongs to the East, to China and India.  The enormous expanse of Russia sits above both of these most populous of all countries.

Russia can rise to power with the East. There is no reason for Russia to beg the West for acceptance. The bases for US foreign policy are the Brzezinski and Wolfowitz doctrines, which state that Washington must prevent the rise of Russia.  Washington has no good will toward Russia and will hamper Russia at every opportunity. As long as Washington controls Europe, Russia has no prospects of being a part of the West, unless Russia becomes Washington’s puppet state, like Germany, Britain, and France.
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #643 em: Maio 27, 2014, 11:41:18 am »
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Su -25 fighter aircraft landing several missiles on Donetsk Airport (Ukraine Crisis)

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Mi-24 Atack in Donetsk
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #644 em: Maio 27, 2014, 06:37:21 pm »
Mais tarde ou mais cedo a Russia vai intervir oficialmente, nem que seja só em termos de criar uma zona de exclusão aérea. Iremos ver qual será depois a resposta do ocidente.