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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #105 em: Abril 24, 2015, 08:09:22 pm »
De volta ao fascinante Andrea Dória (o link abaixo tem umas boas dezenas de fotos do navio e do Garibaldi, uma das quais é o lançador de misseis polaris do navio (que nunca levou, mas recebeu o seu clone o Alfa, visto nas duas primeiras fotos, sendo as restantes do Dória):

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177337-World-Wide-Navies/page81 .  :wink:





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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #106 em: Abril 28, 2015, 11:38:48 pm »
O conceito de cruzadores porta-helicópteros como a classe Andrea Doria e o Vittorio Veneto italianos , o Jeanne d'Arc francês ou a classe Moskva soviética,não fariam sentido face às ameaças assimétricas actuais?
 Um navio com esta especificação mas com armamento, sensores e grupo aéreo modernizados não seria uma grande mais valia em acções de combate à pirataria no Golfo da Guiné, Somália ou Estreito da Malacca?
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #107 em: Abril 29, 2015, 10:43:50 am »
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O conceito de cruzadores porta-helicópteros como a classe Andrea Doria e o Vittorio Veneto italianos , o Jeanne d'Arc francês ou a classe Moskva soviética,não fariam sentido face às ameaças assimétricas actuais?
 Um navio com esta especificação mas com armamento, sensores e grupo aéreo modernizados não seria uma grande mais valia em acções de combate à pirataria no Golfo da Guiné, Somália ou Estreito da Malacca?
Apesar de serem navios mais virados para ASW, o próprio Jeanne d'Arc cumpriu essa missão em 2008 (entre outras).
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In 2008, Jeanne d'Arc was deployed in an anti-piracy role in the Gulf of Aden.[3] The ship was used as part of the rescue effort of Le Ponant during the April 2008 hostage-taking incident. A Gazelle helicopter from Jeanne d'Arc carrying snipers chased and captured pirates who had escaped on 4x4 vehicles after the hostages had been freed.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Jeanne_d%27Arc_%28R97%29

http://www.ffaa.net/ships/helicopter-carrier/jeanne-arc/historique.htm#08
O Moskva foi empregue como base de operações para a desminagem do Canal do Suez em 1974.
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In 1974 at the request of the Egyptian government, Moskva together with the trawlers of Pacific Ocean fleet assumed the participation in the mine clearing of the water area of the Suez Canal. For this it was equipped with eight vertolet] - the trawlers, who defused ground and anchored mines in the places, where ships could not act.http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/1123.htm

Os cruzadores Porta-Helicópteros italianos acabaram por ser os menos utilizados já que na década de 80 foram usados como navios de treino. Ainda assim o Vittorio Venetto foi utilizado como "Flag Ship" da Task Force que em 1997 protegeu a ajuda à Albânia.
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Vittorio Veneto ran aground in bad weather off the port of Vlorë on April 22, 1997. At the time she was acting as the flagship of a multinational task-force that protected aid deliveries to Albania.

Mas independentemente da aplicabilidade existir, na prática este tipo de navios tem sido substituído por LPD  ou plataformas de desembarque, mais flexíveis e com custos de operação menores (sendo que nada impede que estes navios não levem sensores mais abrangentes ou armamento mais pesado).
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Le navire devrait rester en service jusqu'en 2006 et être remplacé à terme par l'un des deux nouveaux BPC Mistral et Tonnerre actuellement en construction. "
http://frenchnavy.free.fr/ships/heli...nne-arc_fr.htm

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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #108 em: Abril 29, 2015, 10:41:09 pm »

Estes italianos são doidos... Ou então tinham Oto Melaras a mais...  :roll:
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #109 em: Abril 30, 2015, 02:48:18 pm »
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Estes italianos são doidos... Ou então tinham Oto Melaras a mais...  :wink:  O Vitório Venetto original tinha 8 de 76 mm.  :mrgreen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Vittorio_Veneto_%28550%29

Após a reforma que introduziu os misseis anti-navio Otomat ficou com 11 (torres, de entre as de 76mm e as 3 de 40mm, duplas). :mrgreen:


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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #110 em: Abril 30, 2015, 03:33:08 pm »
hoje foi entregue mais uma FREMM para os italianos é já a quarta!
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #111 em: Abril 30, 2015, 04:51:48 pm »
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hoje foi entregue mais uma FREMM para os italianos é já a quarta!

Só vão na quarta?

O planeado era isto

Classe Bergamini da  Marinha Italiana

Nº de amurada   Nome                   Batimento de quilha
F590                    Carlo Bergamini   4 de fevereiro de 2008
F591                    Virginio Fasan           12 de maio de 209
F592                    Carlo Margottini   21 de abril de 2010
F593                    Carabiniere           6 de abril de 2011
F594                    Alpino                   23 de fevereiro de 2012
F595                    Luigi Rizzo           5 de março de 2013
F596                    Desconhecido           5 de junho de 2014
F597                                                2015
F598                                             2016
F599                                                   2017
 

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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #112 em: Abril 30, 2015, 07:09:29 pm »
"[Os portugueses são]um povo tão dócil e tão bem amestrado que até merecia estar no Jardim Zoológico"
-Dom Januário Torgal Ferreira, Bispo das Forças Armadas
 

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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #113 em: Abril 30, 2015, 07:14:01 pm »
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hoje foi entregue mais uma FREMM para os italianos é já a quarta!

Só vão na quarta?

O planeado era isto

Classe Bergamini da  Marinha Italiana

Nº de amurada   Nome                   Batimento de quilha
F590                    Carlo Bergamini   4 de fevereiro de 2008
F591                    Virginio Fasan           12 de maio de 209
F592                    Carlo Margottini   21 de abril de 2010
F593                    Carabiniere           6 de abril de 2011
F594                    Alpino                   23 de fevereiro de 2012
F595                    Luigi Rizzo           5 de março de 2013
F596                    Desconhecido           5 de junho de 2014
F597                                                2015
F598                                             2016
F599                                                   2017


a 9ª e a 10ª foram recentemente encomendadas:
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #114 em: Abril 30, 2015, 10:10:56 pm »
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hoje foi entregue mais uma FREMM para os italianos é já a quarta!

É a "Carabiniere" (F 593) Foi entregue no 28.

 
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #115 em: Maio 01, 2015, 11:18:03 am »
Que foto!!!!! :D
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #116 em: Maio 07, 2015, 07:19:53 pm »
Fincantieri and Finmeccanica Will Renew the Italian Navy Fleet
(Source: joint Fincantieri/Finmeccanica release; issued May 7, 2015)


Artist’s impression of a Pattugliatore Polivalente d’Altura, a hybrid design combining the attributes of an Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) with those of a multipurpose frigate into the same vessel. (Fincantieri image)

TRIESTE / ROME --- Fincantieri, one of the world’s largest shipbuilding groups and reference player in the naval shipbuilding industry, and Finmeccanica, Italy’s leading manufacturer in the high technology sector, will build and equip the units set out in the renewal plan of the Italian Navy’s fleet.

In the framework of this plan, OCCAR (Organisation Conjointe de Cooperation sur l’Armement, the international organization for cooperation on arms) has signed the order of the contractual performance for the construction of six patrol vessels (PPA, or Multipurpose Offshore Patrol Ship), with four more in option, and for one logistic support unit (LSS or Logistic Support Ship) with the consortium (Raggruppamento Temporaneo di Impresa - RTI) consisting of Fincantieri, agent, and Finmeccanica, through its subsidiary Selex ES, principal.

The value of the contracts for the seven units is approx. 3.5 billion euros, of which Fincantieri’s share amounts to approx. 2.3 billion euros and the one of Finmeccanica to about 1.2 billion euros.

The contracts provide different activation phases.

Today OCCAR has started Phase 1 for the construction of the first PPA and the logistic support unit for a total value of 372 million euros, of which Fincantieri’s share amounts to 220 million euros and Finmeccanica’s to 152 million euros. The activation of the next phases concerning the other units is expected to take place in the upcoming months.

The delivery of the logistic support unit is scheduled for 2019, while the first patrol vessel is expected to be delivered in 2021. The delivery of the following patrol vessels is planned for 2022, 2023, 2024 (two units) and 2025.

In general, this multi-year program for the renewal of the Navy’s fleet (known as the "Defence Act") will employ a total funding of 5.4 billion euros and foresees the construction, in addition to the aforementioned units, of one transport and landing unit (LHD) through a public contract with the Italian Ministry of Defence currently being finalized.

In particular:
• one logistic support unit (LSS or Logistic Support Ship)
• six patrol vessels (PPA, or Multipurpose Offshore Patrol Ship) and four more in option
• one transport and landing unit (LHD or Landing Helicopter Dock)

The fundamental characteristic common to all three classes of ships is their high level of innovation providing them with a considerable degree of efficiency and flexibility in serving different mission profiles. In particular, these are dual-use vessels, meaning that they may be used for both standard military purposes and for civil protection and rescue at sea operations, and they also have a low environmental impact thanks to a state-of-the-art auxiliary propulsion system generating a low level of pollution emissions (electric engines) and biological waste control system.

The consortium (RTI) was established according to the cooperation agreement in the field of naval vessels construction signed last October between Fincantieri and Finmeccanica. Pursuant to the agreement, Fincantieri acts as a sole interface to the client, while allowing to enhance Finmeccanica’s products range in the naval field.

In addition to building the vessels at its shipyards, Fincantieri will provide support over the lifecycle of the vessels in the first ten years, through the supply of logistic services (training courses, spare parts, technical documentation) during the construction of the vessels and of ISS or In Service Support (maintenance services), carried out during post-delivery operations, as well as components and naval machinery produced by the Marine Systems and Components Unit, such as shaft lines, wheelhouse, maneuvering propellers, fin stabilizers and other handling systems, the automation system and a part of the special supplies for PPAs delivered by the subsidiary Seastema S.p.A.

Finmeccanica, through Selex ES, will act as prime contractor for all of the new naval units' combat systems. Selex ES will provide sensors, such as the new multi-functional radar, and will also take on responsibility for all subsystems, included those provided by OTO Melara, WASS, MBDA and Elettronica.

In addition, Selex ES and Fincantieri will develop together the innovative “Cockpit” system. This system will, for the first time ever, allow for the integrated management of sailing and combat system operations, using augmented reality to allow both functions to be effectively managed with fewer operators.

Fincantieri’s Chief Executive Officer, Giuseppe Bono, commented: "This program has a deep industrial value, in addition to the significant geo-political implications with the relaunch of Italy's role in the Mediterranean. Indeed, it makes it possible to raise the levels of employment and development of technological research not only for our group, but for all the subcontractors.

“I would like to mention that, as demonstrated in a study made by the Censis Institute, the shipbuilding industry is able to generate an economic impact in the subcontractor network up to almost four times the original investment, with an impact on employment equal to nine times the direct employees of Fincantieri. In addition, our Marine System and Components Unit will be revitalized too through the development of new high-tech products”.

Bono concluded: "As always, Fincantieri is committed to provide our Navy with high quality products, developed using the latest technology, on time and on budget”.

Finmeccanica’s Chief Executive Officer and General Manager, Mauro Moretti, stated: “This important programme provides the opportunity to build on Finmeccanica's technological heritage in the naval sector. Through the development of products for the Italian Navy's new ships, Finmeccanica is able to further expand its capabilities in new high-technology naval combat systems, and in particular in key strategic areas such as sensors, multifunctional radar, and multi-sensor integration. These developments ensure that the Italian Navy's ships are at the cutting-edge of new technology, and at the forefront of the international market, where Finmeccanica has an established presence and is recognised by the customer.”

Moretti concluded: "the commitment to this new programme confirms the intention of the company to further strengthen and invest in the high-technology naval sector”.

VESSEL CHARACTERISTICS

LSS – Logistic Support Ship
The LSS is a vessel that provides logistics support to the fleet, endowed with hospital and healthcare capabilities thanks to the presence of a fully equipped hospital, complete with operating rooms, radiology and analysis rooms, a dentist’s office and hospital rooms capable of hosting up to 12 seriously injured patients.

The ship is capable of combining capacity to transport and transfer to other transport vessels used for liquids (diesel fuel, jet fuel, fresh water) and solids (emergency spare parts, food and ammunitions) and to perform at sea repairs and maintenance work for other vessels. The defense systems are limited to the capacity of command and control in tactical scenarios, communications and dissuasive, non-lethal defense systems.

The vessel is also capable of embarking more complex defence systems and becoming an intelligence and electronic war platform.

• 165 meters long
• speed of 20 knots
• 200 persons including crew and specialists
• 4 replenishment station abeam and 1 astern
• Capacity to supply drinking water to land
• Capacity to provide electricity to land with 2500 kw of power
• Possibility of embarking up to 8 residential and healthcare modules
• Capacity to perform rescues at sea, through recovery and seabed operations (the ship is equipped with an 30 tons offshore stabilized crane)
• base for rescue operations through helicopters and special vessels
Delivery is scheduled in 2019.

PPA – Multipurpose Offshore Patrol Ship
The multipurpose offshore patrol ship is a highly flexible ship with capacity to serve multiple functions ranging from patrol with sea rescue capacity to Civil Protection operations, and in its most highly equipped version, first line fighting vessel. There will be indeed different configurations of combat system: a “soft” one for the patrol task integrated for self-defence ability, and a “full” one, equipped for a complete defence capability.

The vessel is also capable of operating high-speed vessels such as RIB (Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat) up to 11 meters long through lateral cranes or a hauling ramp located at the far stern.

• 129 meters long
• Speed of over 31 knots
• 171 persons of the crew
• Equipped with a combined diesel and gas turbine plant (CODAG)
• Capacity to supply drinking water to land
• Capacity to provide electricity to land with 2000 kw of power
• Possibility of embarking modular residential and healthcare zones
• 2 modular zones at the stern and at the center of the ship that allow the embarking of various types of containerized operating/logistic/healthcare modules (in particular, the stern area may receive and handle within a covered area up to 5 modules in ISO 20” containers, while the central zone may receive and handle up to 8 ISO 20” containers)

The PPAs will be built at the Integrated Shipyard of Riva Trigoso and Muggiano, with delivery expected, for the first vessel of the class, in 2021, while the following deliveries of the vessels will take place in 2022, 2023, 2024 (two units), and 2025.


Fincantieri is one of the world's largest shipbuilding groups and number one by diversification and presence in all high value-added market sectors, having built more than 7,000 vessels in over 230 years of its maritime history. Headquartered in Trieste (Italy), the Group has approximately 21,700 employees, of whom around 7,700 in Italy, and 21 shipyards in 4 continents.

Finmeccanica is Italy’s leading manufacturer in the high technology sector and ranks among the top ten global players in Aerospace, Defence and Security. In 2014, Finmeccanica generated revenues of about 14 billion Euro. With 273 locations and production facilities in 20 countries, Finmeccanica is a multinational and multicultural group which boasts a significant presence in four domestic markets: Italy, the United Kingdom, the U.S. and Poland.

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Two New Ship Programmes Integrated Into OCCAR
(Source: OCCAR; issued May 7, 2015)
The Multipurpose Combat Ship Programme PPA (Pattugliatori Polivalenti d’Altura) and the Logistic Support Ship Programme LSS (Logistic Support Ship) have been formally integrated into OCCAR on 4 May 2015 with the confirmation of the PPA and LSS Programme Decisions and the respective contracts by the Italian authorities.

Both programmes are currently managed on behalf of Italy as the Programme Participating State.

The successful integration into OCCAR of these two modern ship programmes means a major expansion of the OCCAR Programme portfolio. OCCAR now manages 11 European Armament Programmes in various capability and technology areas, including also the Maritime Mine Counter Measures (MMCM) Programme which was integrated in March 2015.

The two classes of ships have been conceived, since the beginning, with enhanced “dual use” features, fit for traditional military tasks and also able to intervene during peace time, supporting Humanitarian and Disaster Relief Assistance Operations (i.e. modular hospital, electrical power/drinkable water ashore and containers). In other words, the ships are able to provide maritime security in war and in peacetime, 365 days per year.

The Pattugliatori Polivalenti d’Altura - PPA vessels represent the best example of a “one-size-fits-all warship” designed to perform a wide spectrum of missions, thanks to their remarkable capabilities in terms of modularity and flexibility.

The ships will replace patrol ships, corvettes and frigates and will initially be delivered in a full and a light configuration.

The Programme includes Development and Production of six ships (five in light and one in full configuration; with an option for another four ships) and the In Service Support for ten years.

The delivery of the First of Class is planned in 2020 for the light configuration (FOC L) and 2023 for the full configuration (FOC F).

The OCCAR-EA PPA Programme Division is located in Rome, Italy.

The Logistic Support Ship - LSS will be capable of supporting a naval Joint Task Force, to support disaster relief operations, to provide medical support (NATO Role 2 LM) and to transport naval and aviation fuel, fresh water, ammunitions, lubricating oil, food, spare parts and 20 ft ISO containers.

The LSS Programme includes Development and Production of one ship and the In Service Support for ten years.
The delivery of the LSS is planned for 2019.

The OCCAR-EA LSS Programme Division is located in La Spezia, Italy.

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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #117 em: Maio 08, 2015, 10:45:55 am »
Apesar do nome pomposo, presumo que seja uma simples fragata.
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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #118 em: Maio 08, 2015, 12:25:33 pm »
Provavelmente um OPV de maiores dimensões e com mais armamento, um pouco como os da classe Holland da marinha holandesa.
 

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Re: Armada Italiana
« Responder #119 em: Maio 11, 2015, 07:43:27 pm »


"[Os portugueses são]um povo tão dócil e tão bem amestrado que até merecia estar no Jardim Zoológico"
-Dom Januário Torgal Ferreira, Bispo das Forças Armadas
 
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