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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9525 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 10:55:55 am »
Parece evidente que vão estar no terreno tropas de países europeus. E também parece evidente que de uma forma ou de outra os EUA vão estar envolvidos também!

Mas vai haver uma 3ª Guerra Mundial porquê? A rússia planeia roubar mais território Ucraniano no futuro?
 

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9526 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 12:02:32 pm »
Parece evidente que vão estar no terreno tropas de países europeus. E também parece evidente que de uma forma ou de outra os EUA vão estar envolvidos também!



Segundo o plano divulgado pelo Telegraph em 30AGO25.

First defence:

1. Idea stage: Demilitarised buffer zone 20km either side of frozen front line

2. Highly likely: Ukrainian soldiers first line of defence against future Russian invasion

3. Highly likely: US to provide intelligence to Ukraine and to peacekeeping mission

4. In negotiation: Nato or US to be given command of peacekeeping mission



Support forces:



1. In negotiation: US contractors to support rebuilding efforts and defend rare earth interests

2. In negotiation: European-led peacekeeping force to sit behind Ukraine’s own forces

3. Highly likely: Ukrainian troops trained by UK, French and other European militaries



Backstop and logistics

1. In negotiation: US fighter jets and missiles to deter Russian attacks

2. Highly likely: US to help European allies airlift equipment into Ukraine

3. In negotiation: Staged approach to reopening Ukraine’s airports from West to East

4. Highly likely: Turkish-led naval operation to reopen Black Sea ports




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American private military firms could be deployed to Ukraine as part of a long-term peace plan.

Donald Trump is in talks with European allies about allowing armed contractors to help build fortifications to protect American interests in the country.

The plan is being devised as a workaround after the US president promised that American troops would not be stationed in Ukraine.

US contractors could be deployed to help rebuild Ukraine’s front-line defences, new bases and protect US businesses.

The presence of private soldiers would act as a deterrent to discourage Vladimir Putin from breaking an eventual ceasefire.

The plan is being discussed alongside a range of other so-called security guarantees – drawn up by the coalition of the willing led by the UK and France – that will form the basis of a long-term peace plan.

Final details – which include air policing, training and Black Sea naval missions – could be announced as soon as this weekend after weeks of diplomatic activity sparked by Mr Trump’s talks with Putin in Alaska.

Through briefings with more than a dozen Western officials, The Telegraph is able to publish the most comprehensive version yet of how a European-led mission could enforce any peace deal.

European military planners accelerated their work after Mr Trump told continental leaders that Putin was open to Western allies offering security guarantees to Ukraine.

The American commander-in-chief also signalled his willingness to support what could become one of the most significant overseas missions since the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Border reinforcement

European officials said the primary strategy for preventing war in the future was continuing to rebuild Ukraine’s battle-stricken armed forces into the main form of deterrence.

Under the plan, Ukrainian formations would defend a reinforced border at the front lines as agreed in any peace deal.
Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Alaska
Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump’s Alaska summit failed to bring about a conclusion to the Russia-Ukraine war Credit: Andrew Harnik/Getty

Kyiv’s forces would be re-armed and trained by European Nato allies, using existing and new mechanisms.

For example, Ukraine could continue to buy US systems, such as Patriot air-defence batteries or Himars rocket launchers, using funds provided by European allies.
US contractors

Front-line fortifications and bases nearby could be built by American private military contractors as was done in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The presence of American contractors on the ground in Ukraine would be seen as a major boost for European powers, which want American buy-in to an eventual peace deal.

Their deployment would mean the White House has skin in the game and would increase the deterrent effect against a Russian attack for fear of US retaliation, sources said.

Discussions over the use of American contractors can be traced back to the signing of a joint deal to extract Ukraine’s vast minerals and rare earth wealth between Washington and Kyiv.

The White House remains opposed to deploying its own troops to Ukraine, but has agreed to broad support to European forces being used to underpin any peace deal.

A Whitehall source said private American contractors “puts American ‘boots’, i.e. American passport holders, on the ground, which is then effectively the deterrent to Putin”.

Using private contractors would also allow Mr Trump to allay fears among his Maga supporters who are against foreign intervention, while also providing him with another business deal to champion, officials said.
Buffer zone

Some European nations have floated the idea of a demilitarised buffer zone to separate Ukrainian and Russian forces once the fighting has ended.

It could be patrolled by peacekeepers or observers as agreed by both Kyiv and Moscow in any peace settlement.

Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, would likely demand that European troops be stationed in the zone. The Kremlin has suggested China could be used as a security guarantor in talks over a peace deal.

Mr Trump also suggested deploying Chinese troops as peacekeepers in postwar Ukraine during his meeting with European leaders last week, according to the Financial Times.

Differences between the warring nations mean this option is unlikely to be agreed upon by all sides.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/30/trump-talks-deploy-private-army-ukraine/
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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9527 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 12:09:27 pm »
Parece evidente que vão estar no terreno tropas de países europeus. E também parece evidente que de uma forma ou de outra os EUA vão estar envolvidos também!

Mas vai haver uma 3ª Guerra Mundial porquê? A rússia planeia roubar mais território Ucraniano no futuro?

Não , Russia vai eliminar qualquer força da OTAN na Ucrania e isso sera o principio da 3º GM !

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9528 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 12:12:34 pm »
Parece evidente que vão estar no terreno tropas de países europeus. E também parece evidente que de uma forma ou de outra os EUA vão estar envolvidos também!



Segundo o plano divulgado pelo Telegraph em 30AGO25.

First defence:

1. Idea stage: Demilitarised buffer zone 20km either side of frozen front line

2. Highly likely: Ukrainian soldiers first line of defence against future Russian invasion

3. Highly likely: US to provide intelligence to Ukraine and to peacekeeping mission

4. In negotiation: Nato or US to be given command of peacekeeping mission



Support forces:



1. In negotiation: US contractors to support rebuilding efforts and defend rare earth interests

2. In negotiation: European-led peacekeeping force to sit behind Ukraine’s own forces

3. Highly likely: Ukrainian troops trained by UK, French and other European militaries



Backstop and logistics

1. In negotiation: US fighter jets and missiles to deter Russian attacks

2. Highly likely: US to help European allies airlift equipment into Ukraine

3. In negotiation: Staged approach to reopening Ukraine’s airports from West to East

4. Highly likely: Turkish-led naval operation to reopen Black Sea ports




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American private military firms could be deployed to Ukraine as part of a long-term peace plan.

Donald Trump is in talks with European allies about allowing armed contractors to help build fortifications to protect American interests in the country.

The plan is being devised as a workaround after the US president promised that American troops would not be stationed in Ukraine.

US contractors could be deployed to help rebuild Ukraine’s front-line defences, new bases and protect US businesses.

The presence of private soldiers would act as a deterrent to discourage Vladimir Putin from breaking an eventual ceasefire.

The plan is being discussed alongside a range of other so-called security guarantees – drawn up by the coalition of the willing led by the UK and France – that will form the basis of a long-term peace plan.

Final details – which include air policing, training and Black Sea naval missions – could be announced as soon as this weekend after weeks of diplomatic activity sparked by Mr Trump’s talks with Putin in Alaska.

Through briefings with more than a dozen Western officials, The Telegraph is able to publish the most comprehensive version yet of how a European-led mission could enforce any peace deal.

European military planners accelerated their work after Mr Trump told continental leaders that Putin was open to Western allies offering security guarantees to Ukraine.

The American commander-in-chief also signalled his willingness to support what could become one of the most significant overseas missions since the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Border reinforcement

European officials said the primary strategy for preventing war in the future was continuing to rebuild Ukraine’s battle-stricken armed forces into the main form of deterrence.

Under the plan, Ukrainian formations would defend a reinforced border at the front lines as agreed in any peace deal.
Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Alaska
Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump’s Alaska summit failed to bring about a conclusion to the Russia-Ukraine war Credit: Andrew Harnik/Getty

Kyiv’s forces would be re-armed and trained by European Nato allies, using existing and new mechanisms.

For example, Ukraine could continue to buy US systems, such as Patriot air-defence batteries or Himars rocket launchers, using funds provided by European allies.
US contractors

Front-line fortifications and bases nearby could be built by American private military contractors as was done in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The presence of American contractors on the ground in Ukraine would be seen as a major boost for European powers, which want American buy-in to an eventual peace deal.

Their deployment would mean the White House has skin in the game and would increase the deterrent effect against a Russian attack for fear of US retaliation, sources said.

Discussions over the use of American contractors can be traced back to the signing of a joint deal to extract Ukraine’s vast minerals and rare earth wealth between Washington and Kyiv.

The White House remains opposed to deploying its own troops to Ukraine, but has agreed to broad support to European forces being used to underpin any peace deal.

A Whitehall source said private American contractors “puts American ‘boots’, i.e. American passport holders, on the ground, which is then effectively the deterrent to Putin”.

Using private contractors would also allow Mr Trump to allay fears among his Maga supporters who are against foreign intervention, while also providing him with another business deal to champion, officials said.
Buffer zone

Some European nations have floated the idea of a demilitarised buffer zone to separate Ukrainian and Russian forces once the fighting has ended.

It could be patrolled by peacekeepers or observers as agreed by both Kyiv and Moscow in any peace settlement.

Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, would likely demand that European troops be stationed in the zone. The Kremlin has suggested China could be used as a security guarantor in talks over a peace deal.

Mr Trump also suggested deploying Chinese troops as peacekeepers in postwar Ukraine during his meeting with European leaders last week, according to the Financial Times.

Differences between the warring nations mean this option is unlikely to be agreed upon by all sides.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/30/trump-talks-deploy-private-army-ukraine/

Isso é o que queiram os vencidos do ocidente ! A Russia nunca irá permitir isso !

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9529 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 12:18:25 pm »
Isso é o que queiram os vencidos do ocidente ! A Russia nunca irá permitir isso !

Pensava que queria a paz!

Só há vencedores e vencidos quem se mete nos conflitos. Neste caso o conflito é entre a rússia e a Ucrãnia. E muito bem o ocidente deve defender a integridade territorial de todos os países, independentemente desse país em concreto ganhar, perder ou "empatar" esse mesmo conflito!
 

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9530 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 12:30:08 pm »


1. In negotiation: US contractors to support rebuilding efforts and defend rare earth interests


É mesmo isso que vai acontecer.
O uso de PMCs (mercenários) para defender os interesses dos EUA e fazer o trabalho sujo contra a Russia... E contra a Ucrânia.


Isto é tudo um negócio e esta não pode acabar!
 

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9531 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 01:04:51 pm »
Isso é o que queiram os vencidos do ocidente ! A Russia nunca irá permitir isso !

Pensava que queria a paz!

Só há vencedores e vencidos quem se mete nos conflitos. Neste caso o conflito é entre a rússia e a Ucrãnia. E muito bem o ocidente deve defender a integridade territorial de todos os países, independentemente desse país em concreto ganhar, perder ou "empatar" esse mesmo conflito!

A UE deveria se preocupar da integridade territorial de Chipre, país da UE , ocupada pela a Turquia há 50 anos !

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9532 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 02:38:38 pm »
Isso é o que queiram os vencidos do ocidente ! A Russia nunca irá permitir isso !

Pensava que queria a paz!

Só há vencedores e vencidos quem se mete nos conflitos. Neste caso o conflito é entre a rússia e a Ucrãnia. E muito bem o ocidente deve defender a integridade territorial de todos os países, independentemente desse país em concreto ganhar, perder ou "empatar" esse mesmo conflito!

A UE deveria se preocupar da integridade territorial de Chipre, país da UE , ocupada pela a Turquia há 50 anos !

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Territórios roubados a países que fazem parte da UE!
 
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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9533 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 03:13:55 pm »
Isso é o que queiram os vencidos do ocidente ! A Russia nunca irá permitir isso !

Pensava que queria a paz!

Só há vencedores e vencidos quem se mete nos conflitos. Neste caso o conflito é entre a rússia e a Ucrãnia. E muito bem o ocidente deve defender a integridade territorial de todos os países, independentemente desse país em concreto ganhar, perder ou "empatar" esse mesmo conflito!

A UE deveria se preocupar da integridade territorial de Chipre, país da UE , ocupada pela a Turquia há 50 anos !

Königsberg

Karelia

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Territórios roubados a países que fazem parte da UE!

Errado, deverias conhecer melhor a Historia ! Esses territórios foram "roubados" pelos os vencedores da 2ºGM !
Nesse tempo não existia UE !

Se queres um roubo recente é ver o que se passou com o Kosovo e a Ci-Jordania ! Tudo territórios roubados pelo o "campo do bem "

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9534 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 03:37:14 pm »
Chipre pertencia à UE quando os turcos invadiram?!
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9535 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 08:30:12 pm »
Chipre pertencia à UE quando os turcos invadiram?!

Não, mas agora pertence e nada para fazer sair, mesmo pela a força, a Turquia !

Mas com a Ucrania, país de mafiosos e de corruptos, estão prontos a arruinar os povos europeus e entrar em guerra contra a Russia ! :bang:

Diz lá , a Ucrania pertence a UE ou a OTAN ? ::)

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9536 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 10:44:12 pm »
Não, mas como o Chipre é só uma questão de tempo para pertencer à UE.

A Rússia é o país que está a ameaçar todo o continente e não o oposto.
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 

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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9537 em: Setembro 01, 2025, 11:59:28 pm »
слава Україна!
“Putin’s failing Ukraine invasion proves Russia is no superpower".
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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9538 em: Setembro 02, 2025, 04:59:26 am »
слава Україна!
“Putin’s failing Ukraine invasion proves Russia is no superpower".
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Re: Invasão da Ucrânia
« Responder #9539 em: Setembro 02, 2025, 04:22:29 pm »
Não, mas como o Chipre é só uma questão de tempo para pertencer à UE.

A Rússia é o país que está a ameaçar todo o continente e não o oposto.

A Ucrania na UE , é o fim da mesma !

A Russia nunca me fez nada ! Diz-me lá o que te fez a Russia  para quereres entrar em guerra contra ela ?