6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2115 em: Junho 29, 2020, 06:15:14 pm »
De cor e arredondado, penso que os EH101, andava nos 6000, que deve ser o maior valor da FAP, outras aeronaves como o F-16, C130, P3 anda pelos 5000, os C295 foram uma boa compra nesse aspecto, ronda 2500, os Alouettes tinham o melhor consumo acho que era 600.

Ja não sei onde li estes valores mas memorize os números redondos.

Esas cifras no son correctas, son muy bajas, un Viper está en torno a los 20.000$ la hora de vuelo, un C130 unos 14.000$, y un P3 mas o menos lo mismo.

Los cazas modernos son muy costosos, se dice que los Eurofighter salen a unos 40.000 dolares la hora de vuelo

https://datos.elconfidencial.com/coste-hora-volar-avion-combate-dolares/
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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2116 em: Junho 29, 2020, 07:07:03 pm »
Isso do custo das horas de voo depende muito do calculo e dos contratos de manutenção.
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2117 em: Junho 29, 2020, 10:08:21 pm »
Já não me recorda onde li, talvez uma, dessas teses, mas agora descobrir qual... :o

Além de poder não ser recente, pode ser valores com 10 ou mais anos.
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2118 em: Julho 01, 2020, 01:19:49 pm »
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Belgium hits out over poor industrial support as it cuts NH90 TTH helicopter flights
By Dominic Perry - 1 July 2020

Belgium has delivered stinging criticism of the NH Industries (NHI) consortium, blaming a lack of industrial support, low availability rates and looming costly upgrades for its decision to slash by 40% operations of the four NH90 troop transport helicopters flown by the Belgian Air Component. Announced on 24 June, Brussels says the move was driven by the type’s “limited operational output which is due to imperfect industrial support (which is threatened to reduce in the coming years), and the requirement for necessary but costly upgrades”.

Among Belgium’s chief complaints are the “very long lead times for the delivery of spares, the very long turnaround times for repairs and responsiveness related to engineering advice”. As a result, “operational output” has been “limited in quantity, not quality”, says the nation’s defence ministry. “With four helicopters we were able to deliver a very limited operational output only, during certain periods per year and provided there was a long lead-time.” Low serviceability levels “worsened this situation”, it adds.

The NH90 TTHs have an availability rate of just 38%, which “is very similar to the average availability of all NH90 users”, says the defence ministry. In addition, it expects support from NHI – which comprises Airbus Helicopters, Leonardo Helicopters and Fokker – will reduce in the future.“Given the [multiple] configurations of the TTH variant [developed] during the execution of the programme, the industrial support will decline during the whole duration of the programme,” it adds. That issue has dogged the NH90 for many years, with executives repeatedly attempting to reign in the country-specific modifications which have added complexity for the industrial partners. In addition, future upgrades are needed for “operational and legal reasons” which would take 18 months per helicopter, the ministry says. NHI was unavailable to comment.

While Belgium also cites a lack of personnel as a reason for the future reduction in flights, it says there is no lack of TTH pilots. In fact “we will even have to reorient some TTH pilots to other platforms”, it says. This may include the four maritime NFH variants operated in support of the navy, which are now the ministry’s “primary focus”. Options for the future helicopter support of the land forces, including medical evacuation missions, are still being studied, it adds. Separately, Belgium has announced that it will “accelerate the retirement” of its three Israel Aerospace Industries B-Hunter unmanned air vehicles. These are plagued by “low availability” and “no longer meet the standards and requirements of current operational theatres”.“Early decommissioning will allow personnel to optimally prepare for the planned deployment in 2023 of the [General Atomics Aeronautical Systems] MQ-9B SkyGuardian and to strengthen other weapon systems,” says the ministry.

https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/belgium-hits-out-over-poor-industrial-support-as-it-cuts-nh90-tth-helicopter-flights/139062.article
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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2119 em: Julho 01, 2020, 11:53:50 pm »
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Belgium hits out over poor industrial support as it cuts NH90 TTH helicopter flights
By Dominic Perry - 1 July 2020

Belgium has delivered stinging criticism of the NH Industries (NHI) consortium, blaming a lack of industrial support, low availability rates and looming costly upgrades for its decision to slash by 40% operations of the four NH90 troop transport helicopters flown by the Belgian Air Component. Announced on 24 June, Brussels says the move was driven by the type’s “limited operational output which is due to imperfect industrial support (which is threatened to reduce in the coming years), and the requirement for necessary but costly upgrades”.

Among Belgium’s chief complaints are the “very long lead times for the delivery of spares, the very long turnaround times for repairs and responsiveness related to engineering advice”. As a result, “operational output” has been “limited in quantity, not quality”, says the nation’s defence ministry. “With four helicopters we were able to deliver a very limited operational output only, during certain periods per year and provided there was a long lead-time.” Low serviceability levels “worsened this situation”, it adds.

The NH90 TTHs have an availability rate of just 38%, which “is very similar to the average availability of all NH90 users”, says the defence ministry. In addition, it expects support from NHI – which comprises Airbus Helicopters, Leonardo Helicopters and Fokker – will reduce in the future.“Given the [multiple] configurations of the TTH variant [developed] during the execution of the programme, the industrial support will decline during the whole duration of the programme,” it adds. That issue has dogged the NH90 for many years, with executives repeatedly attempting to reign in the country-specific modifications which have added complexity for the industrial partners. In addition, future upgrades are needed for “operational and legal reasons” which would take 18 months per helicopter, the ministry says. NHI was unavailable to comment.

While Belgium also cites a lack of personnel as a reason for the future reduction in flights, it says there is no lack of TTH pilots. In fact “we will even have to reorient some TTH pilots to other platforms”, it says. This may include the four maritime NFH variants operated in support of the navy, which are now the ministry’s “primary focus”. Options for the future helicopter support of the land forces, including medical evacuation missions, are still being studied, it adds. Separately, Belgium has announced that it will “accelerate the retirement” of its three Israel Aerospace Industries B-Hunter unmanned air vehicles. These are plagued by “low availability” and “no longer meet the standards and requirements of current operational theatres”.“Early decommissioning will allow personnel to optimally prepare for the planned deployment in 2023 of the [General Atomics Aeronautical Systems] MQ-9B SkyGuardian and to strengthen other weapon systems,” says the ministry.

https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/belgium-hits-out-over-poor-industrial-support-as-it-cuts-nh90-tth-helicopter-flights/139062.article

Charlie sabes se os Belgas usam os NH90 para SAR?
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2120 em: Julho 02, 2020, 12:39:05 am »
Dos 04 NFH, dois estão configurados para ASW e dois para SAR.
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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2121 em: Julho 02, 2020, 01:11:27 am »
Dos 04 NFH, dois estão configurados para ASW e dois para SAR.

Eles só tem 2 SAR?




 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2122 em: Julho 02, 2020, 02:31:04 am »
Correcto e afirmativo.
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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2123 em: Julho 02, 2020, 03:01:25 am »
Com 50 km de costa chega e sobra  :mrgreen:
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2124 em: Julho 02, 2020, 08:12:45 am »
Correcto e afirmativo.

Está certíssimo, Charlie. :mrgreen:


Com 50 km de costa chega e sobra  :mrgreen:

Na altura em que os belgas operavam o Sea King por várias vezes foram chamados a efectuar SAR em águas britânicas na impossibilidade, ou avaria, dos Sea King da RAF já que é ali mesmo em frente. Houve até um caso, salvo erro no final da década de 90, de um acidente rodoviário em cadeia a norte de Londres onde o socorro aos sinistrados e consequente transporte para os hospitais foi efectuado pelas tripulações e aparelhos belgas. Agora decerto que tal não voltará a ser possível.
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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2125 em: Julho 02, 2020, 08:25:51 am »
« Última modificação: Julho 02, 2020, 08:28:49 am por tenente »
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2126 em: Julho 07, 2020, 07:08:43 pm »
https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/lithuania-uh-60m-black-hawk-helicopters

Lithuania – UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopters
­­­WASHINGTON, July 6, 2020 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Lithuania of six (6) UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters and related equipment for an estimated cost of $380 million.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

Monday, July 6, 2020 - 12:36
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2127 em: Julho 07, 2020, 07:12:22 pm »
https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/lithuania-uh-60m-black-hawk-helicopters

Lithuania – UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopters
­­­WASHINGTON, July 6, 2020 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Lithuania of six (6) UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters and related equipment for an estimated cost of $380 million.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

Monday, July 6, 2020 - 12:36

Até estes...
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2128 em: Julho 07, 2020, 07:16:04 pm »
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The US government has approved the sale to Indonesia of eight Bell-Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft for an estimated USD2 billion.

Acho que 8 chegava. :mrgreen:
 

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Re: 6 Helicópteros de Evacuação - LPM 2030
« Responder #2129 em: Julho 07, 2020, 08:33:18 pm »
Sem ofensa mais temos coisas mais importantes onde gastar 2 mil milhões do que em V-22....
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