V-22 Osprey

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Spectral

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V-22 Osprey
« em: Julho 06, 2004, 09:40:47 pm »
Outro excelente exemplo de como deitar dinheiro ao lixo e pôr em perigo a vida de pessoas. É incrível como este projecto não foi cancelado, depois de consumir o dobro ou o triplo do dinheiro esperado, estar atrás em todos os prazos, demonstrar falhas estruturais de segurança muito preocupantes, tudo isto coroado com um caso comprovado de corrupção, em que os militares responsáveis pela sua manutenção falsificaram os registos das intervenções nos aparelhos.

E as notícias más continuam a aparecer:

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Osprey: Navy Investigating Iwo Jima Precautionary Landing.

The Osprey landed following observation of debris coming from the right nacelle area, and a simultaneous bang heard by the pilots.

Officials said cause of the incident is under investigation, but confirmed there had been extensive damage to the nacelle blower assembly.

Preferred procedure in the event of such a failure is to make a precautionary landing as soon as possible, an official said. If no immediate landing area is available, conversion to wing borne flight – making ram air cooling available – is substituted

Officials at Pax River say internal damage was contained within the blower assembly, with no damage to other systems in the immediate nacelle area.

A crewman was sent for observation when it was thought some of the debris may have struck him. He was immediately released.

Iwo Jima later docked at Norfolk with the Osprey still aboard, but aircraft Number 10 returned to Pax River.

Officials could not immediately confirm whether there had been earlier failures of the same components.

But production Ospreys – Number 22 is not a production aircraft – have already been retrofitted with an improved blowing fan assembly designed to contain collateral damage in the event of such a failure.

The two Ospreys were finishing up 10 days of sea-trials to validate deck handling. Tests to that point had been completed ‘very successfully’, according to a spokesman, Ward Carroll.



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Fábio G.

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« Responder #1 em: Julho 07, 2004, 12:30:57 am »
Já tinha posto essa noticia :

http://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/viewto ... &start=135

O V-22 está destinado a bem ou a mal, a todo o custo e por muito atraso que leve a entrar em serviço.
 

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« Responder #2 em: Julho 07, 2004, 01:54:23 pm »
Oops   :evil:

Mas não tenho tanta certeza que o Osprey sobreviverá. Os problemas técnicos são muitos: aquilo foi tão mal desenvolvido que não tem largura para transportar um HUMVEE no seu interior!
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« Responder #3 em: Julho 07, 2004, 02:08:25 pm »
No entanto acho que o conceito é bastante bom, foi pena ter sido mal aproveitado.
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« Responder #4 em: Julho 07, 2004, 02:21:47 pm »
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Oops   :evil:

Mas não tenho tanta certeza que o Osprey sobreviverá. Os problemas técnicos são muitos: aquilo foi tão mal desenvolvido que não tem largura para transportar um HUMVEE no seu interior!


Não tenho tanta certeza disso. Se tal acontecer será uma pena porque como disse o Komet, o conceito é bom. É uma plataforma que poderia ser desenvolvida para várias missões, sendo uma delas uma variante AEW para porta-aviões STOVL, como por exemplo os novos CVF britânicos. Poderia, por exemplo, ser utilizado como plataforma AEW usada em Task Forces sem porta-aviões mas com navios com plataformas de aterragem, como os LPD (ou o nosso NAVPOL).

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« Responder #5 em: Julho 07, 2004, 02:25:14 pm »
O conceito é interessante devido à polivalência que o JLRC referiu, mas a tecnologia empregue no Osprey não é madura o suficiente. O problema são os rotores que giram, e todas dificuldades a eles associadas.

Provavelmente se o projecto começasse agora, teríamos um aparelho funcional, mas a que custo?
Não se esqueçam o Osprey anda aí há já quase 15 anos...
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« Responder #6 em: Julho 07, 2004, 05:23:35 pm »
O Osprey é uma perfeita estupidez num teatro de conflito moderno.

Pura e simplesmente é um alvo enorme que, comparada com helis a baixa altitude, tem uma alta taxa de baixa agilidade.
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« Responder #7 em: Julho 07, 2004, 05:30:10 pm »
Ricardo, eu estava a pensar mais num pequeno avião de transporte com capacidade VTOL... não sei como é que o está a ver no calor da batalha...
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« Responder #8 em: Julho 07, 2004, 05:46:54 pm »
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Ricardo, eu estava a pensar mais num pequeno avião de transporte com capacidade VTOL... não sei como é que o está a ver no calor da batalha...


Aí é que está o problema. O Osprey será utilizado em missões de combate e em missões CSAR na USAF.
Serei o único a pensar que isso não faz sentido?
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« Responder #9 em: Julho 07, 2004, 05:50:33 pm »
Nesse caso acho que não, seria como uns amarrar 10 Harriers uns aos outros, mas lá está, o conceito da aeronave em si é bem pensado, agora que uso lhe dariam, ignoro.
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« Responder #10 em: Julho 07, 2004, 09:53:19 pm »
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Aí é que está o problema. O Osprey será utilizado em missões de combate e em missões CSAR na USAF.
Serei o único a pensar que isso não faz sentido?


O Osprey  será utilizado pelos Marines em substituição do Sea Knight ( CH-46?) em transporte táctico. No entanto os seus enormes rotores expostos são ainda mais vulneráveis que os de um heli ( fora a trabalheira que é a manutenção).
 Além que se alguém estiver na zona de aterragem vai sofrer e bastante com a força que eles exercem...
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« Responder #11 em: Julho 10, 2004, 01:02:46 pm »
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Osprey: Rotor Config May Be Plus In Brown-Out Flight Conditions

Patuxent River, Md:- Flight tests with the V-22 show its lateral rotor layout  - and its abilty to vary rotor pylon angle - may give it an advantage over conventional helicopters  against brown-out, the current scourge of helicopter operations in the Middle East.

Tests run some time ago - before the beginning of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq - had established the aircraft creates 'dead air' pools of clear vision to either side of the pilot's windscreen.

 'It's very noticeable,' reports Tom Macdonald, chief test pilot on the prject at NAVAIR's Patuxent River facility.

The test team examined the dust performance in two places - Twenty-Nine Palms, Nev., and Ft Huachuca in Arizona.

 'We also looked at performance in snow during icing trials last year,' he said.

 Some pilots have practiced approaching dusty landing spots with the rotor pylons tipped back beyond the vertical,'  he said.

'That way they can come in and kind of push the cloud away from the pilot's vision.'

He admits the V-22's high rotor disk loading creates more dust than would a CH-53E or CH-47D.

'But who cares how big the cloud is,' he asks. 'The point is can the pilot see?'

Marine Corps pilots are also currently examining dusty - as well as 'hot and high' performance  - options on the Osprey as they get ready to begin operational testing later this year.

The tests are being run seperately from the joint NAVAIR-contractor effort.

 In service V-22s will have no problems operating at high altitudes, like any turboprop aircraft, Macdonald says.

 'But it's subject to the same performance limitation as any helicopter when hovering. It will be a .matter for training to make pilots aware that while they have lots of power available in forward flight, they won't necessarily be better off in helicopter mode.'

 MacDonald says a plan is currently being drawn up to undertake more detailed testing of V-22 performance at altitude under high density altitude (DA) conditions. "It's something everyone wants us to do,' he says.

 

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« Responder #12 em: Julho 10, 2004, 01:22:25 pm »
Mais uma noticia recente:

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V-22 Osprey completes Phase Four testing at sea



On June 29 the V-22 Integrated Test Team completed Phase IVB of the Osprey's shipboard suitability testing, the fifth of six at-sea periods the tiltrotor will go through during the aircraft's developmental testing. This was the latest in a series of tests leading to the aircraft's operational evaluation and subsequent full-rate production decision next year. During the eight days aboard the USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7) operating in the waters off the coast of Maryland, the ITT did much toward proving the Osprey's capability on and around an amphibious assault ship.

In the course of shipboard testing in 1999, the V-22 demonstrated a tendency to tilt along its lateral axis when sitting on the flight deck behind a hovering aircraft - a phenomenon known as "uncommanded roll on deck." Because the Osprey has a digital flight control system, engineers are able to reprogram the flight controls to eliminate undesirable characteristics such as roll on deck. Previous shipboard suitability phases have tested the performance of the Osprey behind a hovering H-1, H-46, and H-53. Phase IVB was designed to test the effect on a V-22 behind a  overing V-22.

"All of our test results with regard to roll on deck were as good as or better than anticipated," said Lt. Col. Kevin Gross, USMC, Government Flight Test Director and Chief V-22 Test Pilot. "The handling of the Osprey in the shipboard environment is proving to be one of its strong characteristics." A series of firsts were accomplished during this test period, Gross said. Along with the first shipboard interaction tests of a V-22 in the vicinity of another V-22, it was the first time a V-22 landed on Spots 5 and 6 - the landing points adjacent to the ship's island. Additionally, the wind envelope for LHD-class V-22 operations was expanded - an important element toward a successful OPEVAL next year.

The Integrated Test Team was offered another challenge when Osprey No. 22 had a nacelle component failure while hovering over the flight deck during the final V-22/V-22 interaction tests. Subsequent landing and shutdown were uneventful, and an investigation into the malfunction continues.

"Even with a component failure, this was an overwhelmingly successful detachment," said Col. Craig Olson, USAF, V-22 Program Manager, who had his first taste of shipboard life during this test period. "Now I know firsthand that the days at sea are long ones, and I thank the Integrated Test Team for their work toward fielding this remarkable capability."
 

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« Responder #13 em: Julho 14, 2004, 12:04:18 am »
In their Own Words: Marines Critique V-22’s “Human Factors”
 
 
(Source: Project On Government Overight; issued July 13, 2004)
 
 
 Despite two crashes that killed 23 Marines in 2000 and nagging technical problems, top Marines officials continue to give the MV-22 Osprey aircraft high marks. But many of the Marines rank-and-file who have flown in the MV-22 seem to disagree: Data compiled in a closely-held survey that elicited nearly 50,000 responses was highly critical of some facets of the aircraft’s suitability to its intended mission.  
 
The 2000 survey of pilots, air crews, and other Marines who have participated in flight testing suggests there are numerous nettlesome safety and other “human factors” concerns with the aircraft that takes off like a helicopter then transitions its rotors forward to fly like an airplane. The $48 billion V-22 program has been in development for more than two decades and survived three fatal crashes and a records-doctoring scandal. obtained by the V-22 Red Ribbon Panel, a group of retired and active engineers and pilots)  
 
Sources tell POGO that problems with downwash, visibility, and emergency egress still are as problematic today as they were when the survey was conducted.  
 
“The rush to test and deploy the V-22 Osprey has clouded the judgment of the Marines top brass,” said POGO Senior Defense Investigator Eric Miller. “They have shown little regard for the Marines who will have to risk their lives flying and riding in an aircraft wrought with design, safety, and comfort flaws.”  
 
Although program and contractor officials have boasted widely of the yet-to-be-realized promise of the new technology, they have said little about the aircraft’s ability to comfortably, and safely, accommodate the occupants and troops traveling inside the cabin. A sampling of survey responses noted the following common concerns:  
 
The V-22’s propellers create a “brown-out” condition, stirring up a blinding swirl of sand and dust when landing in the desert. This “downwash” interferes with needed operations below or close-by the aircraft during troop embarkations, while hooking-up external equipment loads, and during fast-roping operations when the aircraft hovers near the ground and soldiers slide down ropes. “Landing in the desert can be detrimental to your health,” one respondent said. Another Marine commented: “Attempted several different approach profiles searching for a technique that would allow safe night landings in desert environment. Nothing worked!”  
 
Because the V-22’s large propeller nacelles create a blind spot in the rear of the aircraft for the pilot, the crew chief must visually verify that all is clear on the ground or ship deck before the aircraft lands. However, a common complaint of crew chiefs was that small windows and the seating arrangement of troops did not allow them to clearly see the landing area, putting the aircraft at risk for hitting obstacles on or near the ground. “Visibility - totally unsatisfactory,” one Marine wrote. “Cannot clear the aircraft into the Landing Zone from the left window. Too small and the troop seat interferes,” wrote another. Yet another Marine said: “Field of view stinks for the aircraft in the back.”  
 
The survey also noted concerns over the V-22’s inadequate cabin heating and cooling system and very cramped conditions. Occupants noted that during the summer testing they got so hot that some even got sick.  
 
“This sounds like whining I know, but these things are all factors in the mission success and failure,” one Marine wrote. “When you’re on your back, throwing up, sweating so hard that it’s burning your eyes on top of the fact that you can’t see out of the aircraft anyway makes things not work well.”  
 
These and other “human factors” concerns led the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation to declare the MV-22 “not operationally suitable” in his November 2000 report - one month prior to a V-22 accident that killed 19 Marines. The head of DOT&E at the time, Phil Coyle, said additional testing was needed to verify correction of numerous deficiencies discovered in testing.
 

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« Responder #14 em: Julho 18, 2004, 01:37:14 pm »
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V-22 Program Update regarding nacelle blowers

Subject: V-22 Program Update regarding nacelle blowers

Date: 15-Jul-04

News Release Number: E200407151

News Release Copy: At approximately 1715L on June 28, while hovering over the flight deck conducting interaction testing with Osprey No. 10 turning on Spot 9, Osprey No. 22 experienced a componenet failure in the right nacelle. The pilots landed and secured the aircraft. The initial evidence pointed to a failure of the right hand nacelle blower, which cools drive system components. Following normal protocol, HX-21 classified the incident as a Class B mishap (damage cost between $200K and $1 million).

Initial engineering investigation revealed like wear on several other blowers, and as a result, the blowers will be changed once they reach 100 hours of use and every 100 flight hours thereafter until either additional investigation mitigates the periodicity or the blower design is changed. In either case, there should be no near-term impact to developmental or operational test. The full investigation will take some weeks to complete. In the meantime, V-22 flight operations continue.

In spite of the incident, the shipboard suitability period was deemed a success and included several firsts:

- First time V-22s landed on Spots 5 and 6.

- First time for V-22/V-22 interaction testing (roll-on-deck phenomenon fixed).

- Envelope expansion operating from Spots 2 and 4.

Source: NAVAIR