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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1815 em: Julho 03, 2019, 10:30:04 pm »
E quantos desses 5000 estão no Estado Maior da FAP? ::) ::)

Se ao dizeres Estado-Maior queres dizer tudo o que existe no complexo de Alfragide, Estado-Maior, os Comandos (excepto CA), as Direcções, a UAL (Unidade de Apoio Lisboa) ex-Grupo de Apoio do EMFA. Não deve andar longe de 1000.

Se forem 1000 só prova que estamos mesmo a brincar com a DN da Nação !
Então em Alfragide a FAP tem 1/6 do seu efectivo, isto se forem 6000 que eu duvido e acho que são menos ,o que ainda piora o figurino, o remanescente, também em abono da verdade, é mais que suficiente para as 80 e poucas aeronaves que possuímos, e contando que todas estejam operacionais o que não acontece nunca , portanto estamos bem, desde que haja pilim para os ordenados, tudo bem !

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na Bélgica, uma nação com uma população numericamente semelhante á nossa, o Air component das FFAA Belgas, possui 157 aeronaves apoiadas por 6000 elementos, parecido connosco.......... :mrgreen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Air_Component

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Cá em PT as "chafaricas" tem de estar bem espalhadas para dar "apoio aos municípios" e que os mesmos não percam "liquidez" economica com a saída dos quarteis.

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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1816 em: Julho 03, 2019, 10:44:02 pm »
Cada vez passo menos vezes por aqui (e ninguém perde nada com isso) mas espanta-me ver que há gente ( gente boa e generosa) que por aqui ainda posta e não apenas o Lusitano Copipeister.
Definitivamente não ganhais juízo.
Defesa Nacional?
Se para o actual regime o "Nacional" não existe, o que é que o pessoal ainda anda por cá a fazer?
"*dâ-se..."
O melhor que cada um tem a fazer é esquecer esta treta toda e tratar do físico e intelecto para quando chegar - se chegar - a oportunidade de ajudar alguém a pôr a Casa na ordem. Até lá cuidem de vós mesmos e das vossas famílias, pelo menos enquanto a Pátria estiver sob a influência da quetamina.
Preparem-se para a ajudar quando ela sair do seu torpor - porque ela vai sair.
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Ai de ti Lusitânia, que dominarás em todas as nações...
 
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1817 em: Julho 03, 2019, 10:54:25 pm »
Cada vez passo menos vezes por aqui (e ninguém perde nada com isso) mas espanta-me ver que há gente ( gente boa e generosa) que por aqui ainda posta e não apenas o Lusitano Copipeister.
Definitivamente não ganhais juízo.
Defesa Nacional?
Se para o actual regime o "Nacional" não existe, o que é que o pessoal ainda anda por cá a fazer?
"*dâ-se..."
O melhor que cada um tem a fazer é esquecer esta treta toda e tratar do físico e intelecto para quando chegar - se chegar - a oportunidade de ajudar alguém a pôr a Casa na ordem. Até lá cuidem de vós mesmos e das vossas famílias, pelo menos enquanto a Pátria estiver sob a influência da quetamina.
Preparem-se para a ajudar quando ela sair do seu torpor - porque ela vai sair.

Sem dúvida, nem sei porque continuo aqui a perder o meu valioso tempo.

Se formos uns 10 ? que aqui comentam regularmente, somos uns 0,00009524 % dos portugueses, por isso somos "uma gota de água no atlântico".

Se para os EM está bem, para nós está melhor...
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1818 em: Julho 04, 2019, 12:19:35 am »
O KC em Paris, mais um vídeo


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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1819 em: Julho 10, 2019, 12:19:38 pm »
Premiere: An A400M In Action As Tanker

(Source: Bundeswehr; issued July 08, 2019)



The German Air Force is the first A400M operator to have cleared the aircraft for air-to-air refueling, and is also the first to have deployed an A400M to Jordan on its first operational air tanker mission. (Bundeswehr photo)

WUNSTORF, Germany / AL-ASRAK, Jordan --- Another new capability for the Luftwaffe: The A400M is now being tested abroad as a tanker aircraft. Its task: As part of Operation Counter Daesh, it is to refuel German and Allied aircraft in the air. The Luftwaffe’s Air Transport Squadron 62 has been working for a year to achieve this goal.

The Commander of Air Transport Wing (LTG) 62, Colonel Ludger Bette, has approved the first contingent of an Airbus A400M refueling version. "They approach this mission with LTG 62's own team spirit. I wish the team all the best, broken neck and broken legs and that you all come back home healthy," Bette told the 21 soldiers of the LTG 62 as they headed to Jordan, where they will replace an Airbus A310 in the refueling mission in Jordan.

Since August 2018, the certification of the A400M as refueling aircraft in the AAR (Air-to-Air-Refueling) version has been in progress. Air transport squadron (LTG) 62 from Wunstorf is the only Bundeswehr unit equipped with modern transport aircraft. At present, there are 30 A400Ms "on deck" in Wunstorf. In future, they will take over the transport missions of the C-160 Transall.

In addition to the flight preparedness of the Ministry of Defense with its three A310 multi-role transport tanker (MRTT) aircraft, the A400M aircraft are now an indispensable part of the strategic personnel and material transport capability of the German Armed Forces. So far, the use as MEDEVAC (Medical Evacuation) underlines the multi-role capability of the A400M.

The task migration is progressing and the role as tanker for German and Allied aircraft is also being taken over by the A400M. Currently, German Tornados, German and Spanish Eurofighters have been technically cleared for refueling from the A400M.

Additional user approvals, such as the Italian and British forces, are expected soon. The Luftwaffe is a pioneer, as Germany is the first A400M user nation to provide this capability.

All in all, the squadron will have ten sets of equipment available for retrofitting as tanker aircraft. This allows the A400M to be used flexibly. As a tanker aircraft, the Airbus can then refuel two aircraft at the same time. In total, around 40 tonnes of kerosene can be delivered, and up to ten aircraft can be refueled in one hour.

After numerous national and international certification flights, further refueling flights under operating conditions are on the agenda for the coming weeks.

The crews from Wunstorf now have the necessary procedures to carry out refueling missions under operating conditions. As part of the anti-IS Counter Daesh operation, the soldiers are deployed together with the task force.

Implementation will be parallel to flight operations with the A310 MRTT, also located at Jordan's Al-Asrak air base. Valuable experiences can be directly exchanged and used to further optimize this ability.

A machine for operating conditions

This "baptism of fire" is the final milestone for the operational readiness of the A400M as a tanker. Thanks to its ballistic protection, the A400M can also fly directly into operational areas such as Mali and Afghanistan and operate there.

The Luftwaffe Inspector General, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz, agrees: "Today we are taking a giant step. With the deployment of the A400M to Jordan as a tanker, we are the first nation to deploy this aircraft. "

The adopted A400M AAR with the registration 54 + 10 started on time for Jordan and its first use as a refueling aircraft. At around 9:20 pm local time, it safely landed at the destination of Al-Asrak. At 30 degrees Celsius and a starry night in the desert, the landing lights of the A400M first fumbled out of the darkness towards the runway.

Joy about the task

One minute later, the machine touched Jordanian soil - Touch Down in ideal weather and some wind from the west. "The flight was quiet - of course emotional too, with the knowledge that with 21 soldiers and servicemen of my unit we are making the visible start for another important milestone in the capabilities of the A400M," said the pilot and commander of the mission after landing. "We are pleased to be able to apply in action the training we have had in recent months."

In the next two weeks, a lot of work will be done by the LTG 62 team. The test as a refueling aircraft in action - a real premiere that will use the German contingent Counter Daesh / Capacity Building Iraq to gain valuable experience in operations of the A400M AAR.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=255&page=3

PS : esta aeronave é só a melhor opção para a FAP como complemento da frota de transporte táctico !

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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1820 em: Julho 10, 2019, 02:16:28 pm »
Premiere: An A400M In Action As Tanker

(Source: Bundeswehr; issued July 08, 2019)



The German Air Force is the first A400M operator to have cleared the aircraft for air-to-air refueling, and is also the first to have deployed an A400M to Jordan on its first operational air tanker mission. (Bundeswehr photo)

WUNSTORF, Germany / AL-ASRAK, Jordan --- Another new capability for the Luftwaffe: The A400M is now being tested abroad as a tanker aircraft. Its task: As part of Operation Counter Daesh, it is to refuel German and Allied aircraft in the air. The Luftwaffe’s Air Transport Squadron 62 has been working for a year to achieve this goal.

The Commander of Air Transport Wing (LTG) 62, Colonel Ludger Bette, has approved the first contingent of an Airbus A400M refueling version. "They approach this mission with LTG 62's own team spirit. I wish the team all the best, broken neck and broken legs and that you all come back home healthy," Bette told the 21 soldiers of the LTG 62 as they headed to Jordan, where they will replace an Airbus A310 in the refueling mission in Jordan.

Since August 2018, the certification of the A400M as refueling aircraft in the AAR (Air-to-Air-Refueling) version has been in progress. Air transport squadron (LTG) 62 from Wunstorf is the only Bundeswehr unit equipped with modern transport aircraft. At present, there are 30 A400Ms "on deck" in Wunstorf. In future, they will take over the transport missions of the C-160 Transall.

In addition to the flight preparedness of the Ministry of Defense with its three A310 multi-role transport tanker (MRTT) aircraft, the A400M aircraft are now an indispensable part of the strategic personnel and material transport capability of the German Armed Forces. So far, the use as MEDEVAC (Medical Evacuation) underlines the multi-role capability of the A400M.

The task migration is progressing and the role as tanker for German and Allied aircraft is also being taken over by the A400M. Currently, German Tornados, German and Spanish Eurofighters have been technically cleared for refueling from the A400M.

Additional user approvals, such as the Italian and British forces, are expected soon. The Luftwaffe is a pioneer, as Germany is the first A400M user nation to provide this capability.

All in all, the squadron will have ten sets of equipment available for retrofitting as tanker aircraft. This allows the A400M to be used flexibly. As a tanker aircraft, the Airbus can then refuel two aircraft at the same time. In total, around 40 tonnes of kerosene can be delivered, and up to ten aircraft can be refueled in one hour.

After numerous national and international certification flights, further refueling flights under operating conditions are on the agenda for the coming weeks.

The crews from Wunstorf now have the necessary procedures to carry out refueling missions under operating conditions. As part of the anti-IS Counter Daesh operation, the soldiers are deployed together with the task force.

Implementation will be parallel to flight operations with the A310 MRTT, also located at Jordan's Al-Asrak air base. Valuable experiences can be directly exchanged and used to further optimize this ability.

A machine for operating conditions

This "baptism of fire" is the final milestone for the operational readiness of the A400M as a tanker. Thanks to its ballistic protection, the A400M can also fly directly into operational areas such as Mali and Afghanistan and operate there.

The Luftwaffe Inspector General, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz, agrees: "Today we are taking a giant step. With the deployment of the A400M to Jordan as a tanker, we are the first nation to deploy this aircraft. "

The adopted A400M AAR with the registration 54 + 10 started on time for Jordan and its first use as a refueling aircraft. At around 9:20 pm local time, it safely landed at the destination of Al-Asrak. At 30 degrees Celsius and a starry night in the desert, the landing lights of the A400M first fumbled out of the darkness towards the runway.

Joy about the task

One minute later, the machine touched Jordanian soil - Touch Down in ideal weather and some wind from the west. "The flight was quiet - of course emotional too, with the knowledge that with 21 soldiers and servicemen of my unit we are making the visible start for another important milestone in the capabilities of the A400M," said the pilot and commander of the mission after landing. "We are pleased to be able to apply in action the training we have had in recent months."

In the next two weeks, a lot of work will be done by the LTG 62 team. The test as a refueling aircraft in action - a real premiere that will use the German contingent Counter Daesh / Capacity Building Iraq to gain valuable experience in operations of the A400M AAR.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=255&page=3

PS : esta aeronave é só a melhor opção para a FAP como complemento da frota de transporte táctico !

Abraços


Pelo que sei a Airbus ainda tem uma restia de esperança em vender 2, mesmo vindo os 5 KC.

Cumprimentos,
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1821 em: Julho 10, 2019, 02:47:49 pm »

Pelo que sei a Airbus ainda tem uma restia de esperança em vender 2, mesmo vindo os 5 KC.

Cumprimentos,

Como assim? Há conversações com este objectivo ou apenas desejo da Airbus?
 

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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1822 em: Julho 10, 2019, 02:51:54 pm »

Pelo que sei a Airbus ainda tem uma restia de esperança em vender 2, mesmo vindo os 5 KC.

Cumprimentos,

Pronto agora entornaste o caldo   ;D , vamos andar em pulgas para tentar saber mais.
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1823 em: Julho 10, 2019, 03:08:15 pm »
Ideal era 3/4 KC e 2 A-400  :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1824 em: Julho 10, 2019, 03:13:04 pm »

Pelo que sei a Airbus ainda tem uma restia de esperança em vender 2, mesmo vindo os 5 KC.

Cumprimentos,

E isso por 827 milhões inclui quantos motores e caixas de transferência?

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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1825 em: Julho 10, 2019, 04:51:15 pm »
Premiere: An A400M In Action As Tanker

(Source: Bundeswehr; issued July 08, 2019)



The German Air Force is the first A400M operator to have cleared the aircraft for air-to-air refueling, and is also the first to have deployed an A400M to Jordan on its first operational air tanker mission. (Bundeswehr photo)

WUNSTORF, Germany / AL-ASRAK, Jordan --- Another new capability for the Luftwaffe: The A400M is now being tested abroad as a tanker aircraft. Its task: As part of Operation Counter Daesh, it is to refuel German and Allied aircraft in the air. The Luftwaffe’s Air Transport Squadron 62 has been working for a year to achieve this goal.

The Commander of Air Transport Wing (LTG) 62, Colonel Ludger Bette, has approved the first contingent of an Airbus A400M refueling version. "They approach this mission with LTG 62's own team spirit. I wish the team all the best, broken neck and broken legs and that you all come back home healthy," Bette told the 21 soldiers of the LTG 62 as they headed to Jordan, where they will replace an Airbus A310 in the refueling mission in Jordan.

Since August 2018, the certification of the A400M as refueling aircraft in the AAR (Air-to-Air-Refueling) version has been in progress. Air transport squadron (LTG) 62 from Wunstorf is the only Bundeswehr unit equipped with modern transport aircraft. At present, there are 30 A400Ms "on deck" in Wunstorf. In future, they will take over the transport missions of the C-160 Transall.

In addition to the flight preparedness of the Ministry of Defense with its three A310 multi-role transport tanker (MRTT) aircraft, the A400M aircraft are now an indispensable part of the strategic personnel and material transport capability of the German Armed Forces. So far, the use as MEDEVAC (Medical Evacuation) underlines the multi-role capability of the A400M.

The task migration is progressing and the role as tanker for German and Allied aircraft is also being taken over by the A400M. Currently, German Tornados, German and Spanish Eurofighters have been technically cleared for refueling from the A400M.

Additional user approvals, such as the Italian and British forces, are expected soon. The Luftwaffe is a pioneer, as Germany is the first A400M user nation to provide this capability.

All in all, the squadron will have ten sets of equipment available for retrofitting as tanker aircraft. This allows the A400M to be used flexibly. As a tanker aircraft, the Airbus can then refuel two aircraft at the same time. In total, around 40 tonnes of kerosene can be delivered, and up to ten aircraft can be refueled in one hour.

After numerous national and international certification flights, further refueling flights under operating conditions are on the agenda for the coming weeks.

The crews from Wunstorf now have the necessary procedures to carry out refueling missions under operating conditions. As part of the anti-IS Counter Daesh operation, the soldiers are deployed together with the task force.

Implementation will be parallel to flight operations with the A310 MRTT, also located at Jordan's Al-Asrak air base. Valuable experiences can be directly exchanged and used to further optimize this ability.

A machine for operating conditions

This "baptism of fire" is the final milestone for the operational readiness of the A400M as a tanker. Thanks to its ballistic protection, the A400M can also fly directly into operational areas such as Mali and Afghanistan and operate there.

The Luftwaffe Inspector General, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz, agrees: "Today we are taking a giant step. With the deployment of the A400M to Jordan as a tanker, we are the first nation to deploy this aircraft. "

The adopted A400M AAR with the registration 54 + 10 started on time for Jordan and its first use as a refueling aircraft. At around 9:20 pm local time, it safely landed at the destination of Al-Asrak. At 30 degrees Celsius and a starry night in the desert, the landing lights of the A400M first fumbled out of the darkness towards the runway.

Joy about the task

One minute later, the machine touched Jordanian soil - Touch Down in ideal weather and some wind from the west. "The flight was quiet - of course emotional too, with the knowledge that with 21 soldiers and servicemen of my unit we are making the visible start for another important milestone in the capabilities of the A400M," said the pilot and commander of the mission after landing. "We are pleased to be able to apply in action the training we have had in recent months."

In the next two weeks, a lot of work will be done by the LTG 62 team. The test as a refueling aircraft in action - a real premiere that will use the German contingent Counter Daesh / Capacity Building Iraq to gain valuable experience in operations of the A400M AAR.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=255&page=3

PS : esta aeronave é só a melhor opção para a FAP como complemento da frota de transporte táctico !

Abraços


Pelo que sei a Airbus ainda tem uma restia de esperança em vender 2, mesmo vindo os 5 KC.

Cumprimentos,

typhonman, há umas semanas postei aqui a informação verbal, que tive acesso durante as minhas férias, sobre a aquisição, quase certa a 90% ou mais, dos 390 !
O que eu não adiantei foi que, muito provavelmente serão menos aeronaves a ser adquiridas, pois foi alvitrada a hipótese/necessidade da FAP adquirir uma aeronave de maior porte, o que se calhar vai entroncar no que acabaste de dizer, Deus queira que sim.
Que sejam três 390 e três A400 !!!




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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1826 em: Julho 10, 2019, 04:53:31 pm »
Ideal era 3/4 KC e 2 A-400  :mrgreen:

Para mim o ideal seriam 3 + 3 !

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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1827 em: Julho 10, 2019, 05:09:41 pm »
Uma coisa é o que a FAP precisa...outra é o que a tutela esteja disposta a gastar....

Podem continuar a sonhar, mas só vislumbro o KC...a outra necessidade de maior dimensão aluga-se aeronaves ou usamos espaço disponível na frota europeia.

Maior para quê? Para destacar o quê para onde?
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1828 em: Julho 10, 2019, 05:14:15 pm »
Ideal era 3/4 KC e 2 A-400  :mrgreen:

Para mim o ideal seriam 3 + 3 !

Abraços

E de assim do nada lá se conseguiu animar uma tópico que parecia mais que resignado, obrigado :)

Mas tenente, não era melhor 2+4? Afinal contas, mesmo na sua juventude, o KC390 deverá ser uma aeronave muito barata de operar, e irá ser o cavalo de carga para a esmagadora maioria das missões não?
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Re: Programa de substituição do C-130
« Responder #1829 em: Julho 10, 2019, 05:45:26 pm »
3+2!? Venham eles mas é!!! É bem bom três Ka-cês e dois A400m!
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