Second Hand Sometimes Sucks by James Dunnigan July 27, 2007 Discussion Board on this DLS topic Canada is having no end of trouble with the four used diesel-electric subs it bought from Britain nine years ago. Submarines are expensive boats to build and maintain, even if they are second hand. Canada wanted to replace its 1960s era diesel-electric subs, but the cost of new boats would have been be several hundred million dollars each. Britain, however, had four slightly used Upholder class diesel-electric subs that it was willing to part with for $188 million each. Britain had built these boats in the late 1980s (for about $500 million each), put them in service between 1990 and 1993, but then mothballed them shortly thereafter when it decided to go with an all-nuclear submarine fleet. So the deal was made in 1998, with delivery of the British boats to begin in 2000. The Upholders are now called the Victoria class, and are much more modern and capable than the older Oberons. The Victorias are 2160 tons (displacement on the surface), have a crew of 46, and six torpedo tubes (and 18 Mk 48 torpedoes.) The electronics on the Victorias are state of the art and a primary reason for buying these boats second-hand. The subs will be used to patrol Canada's extensive coastline. The passive sonars on these subs make it possible to detect surface ships over a great distance. Canada decommissioned its Oberons in 2000, then discovered that the British boats needed more work (fixing flaws, installing Canadian equipment) than anticipated. This delayed use of the new boats. But not having many subs on active duty for the past eight years has become a major issue in Canada. The British insist that the boats left their yards in excellent shape, and the Canadians did sign off on the refurbishment work done before the subs crossed the Atlantic. According to the British, the delays are mainly the fault of the Canadian shipyards that have been adding equipment and making modifications desired by the Canadians. This work has taken longer than anticipated, and then there has been a bit of bad luck (accidents.) As a result, only one of the boats is currently in service. Another is not expected to be available until 2009, and the other two are undergoing scheduled refits. What particularly hacks off the Canadians is that these boats have a useful life of thirty years, and a third of that is gone, without Canada getting much work out of them. The subs have, however, proved to be a bonanza for Canadian media, politicians and pundits, none of whom miss a chance to denounce all the problems and delays.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/16/hmcs-toronto-members-fight-fire-while-on-shore-leave-in-turkeyCitarHMCS Toronto crew members are being hailed as heroes after rescuing people from a fire while on shore leave in Turkey.“Six members of the crew provided first response to a fire and assisted in the evacuation of the building, saving lives,” the Department of National Defence said.It all happened in Antalya, Turkey, on Friday.The crew were in a restaurant when a fire broke out. Trained in fire fighting and first responding, they went to work.Cumprimentos
HMCS Toronto crew members are being hailed as heroes after rescuing people from a fire while on shore leave in Turkey.“Six members of the crew provided first response to a fire and assisted in the evacuation of the building, saving lives,” the Department of National Defence said.It all happened in Antalya, Turkey, on Friday.The crew were in a restaurant when a fire broke out. Trained in fire fighting and first responding, they went to work.
French newsletter Intelligence Online says shipbuilder DCNS has activated lobbyists in Canada in order to sell to Ottawa the Mistral-class ships that Russia ordered.In 2011, France and Russia signed a $1.5 billion deal for Paris to build two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships for Russia. The ships have already been built and the first one was scheduled to be delivered last November, but France pulled out of the agreement at the last minute over Russia’s role in the Ukraine crisis.Ever since Paris began to reconsider the agreement, there have been periodic reports that Russia might build its own helicopter carriers to replace the Mistral vessels.
Key PointsCanada's HMCS Winnipeg, a modernised Halifax-class frigate, has arrived in the eastern Atlantic to support NATO maritime operations in the regionWinnipeg is the second modernised Halifax frigate to deploy overseas, and the first embarked with an enhanced naval boarding party to support interdiction operationsA modernised Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) Halifax-class frigate has arrived in the eastern Atlantic Ocean to support standing NATO maritime forces in the region, and has a maritime interdiction operations team embarked, officials told IHS Jane's on 8 July.HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338) - the second of the RCN's upgraded frigates to deploy overseas - has replaced sister ship HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337), which had since January 2015 been supporting Operation 'Reassurance', Canada's contribution to NATO assurance measures in Central and Eastern Europe.On an eight-month deployment, Winnipeg is Canada's first frigate to embark an Enhanced Naval Boarding Party (ENBP) specifically trained and equipped for maritime interdiction operations in high-risk environments. RCN ships have traditionally conducted vessel boardings using crew members trained for the task alongside their shipboard duties.Winnipeg 's ENBP is the first cadre of what will eventually become a 70-100 strong Advanced Naval Boarding Party (ANBP) team for the RCN."The Advanced Naval Boarding Party will be a specialised unit that will deliver a more proficient, capable, and tactically agile force generation and protection capability than is currently provided by ships' boarding parties," the RCN told IHS Jane's on 8 July. "Maritime tactical operators belonging to this unit will employ a spectrum of advanced tactics, such as hand-to-hand combat, improvised explosive device (IED) identification, close quarters tactics, as well as tactical shooting."As well as the ENBP, Winnipeg is embarked with a CH-124 Sea King helicopter. Before sailing for its mission with standing NATO maritime forces, Winnipeg had for three weeks conducted surveillance missions in support of Operation 'Caribbe' - Canada's contribution to the multinational counter-narcotics and counter-trafficking task force in the Caribbean and eastern Pacific Ocean.Fredericton had been on station in Europe as part of Standing NATO Maritime Group 2 (SNMG2) conducting maritime security operations and joint NATO training exercises in the Mediterranean, Black, and Baltic Seas as well as in the North Atlantic Ocean, according to the Department of National Defence. The Halifax-based frigate is expected to arrive home in mid-July.Fredericton was the first modernised Halifax frigate to deploy on operations. Its upgrades included a new combat management system, new radar capability, a new electronic warfare system, upgraded communications and missiles, and a new integrated platform management system."These modernisations enhanced Canada's operational readiness and interoperability with our NATO allies and security partners to respond in a timely and effective manner to a variety of operational contingencies in Central and Eastern Europe and around the world," the RCN said in its statement.Fredericton served as the SNMG2 flagship for 16 days and, throughout its deployment, operated with 121 different ships from 21 NATO navies, and visited 23 ports in 13 partner and NATO nations, the RCN added. While operating in the European theatre, Fredericton participated in NATO training exercises and maritime situational awareness operations; exercises included 'Joint Warrior', 'Dynamic Mongoose', and 'BALTOPS'.
The Royal Canadian Navy Halifax-class frigate HMCS Winnipeg, pictured here earlier in its service days prior to the class's modernisation programme. Source: IHS/Harry M Steele