MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1215 em: Julho 21, 2019, 11:23:47 am »
Com o dinheiro que não se vai gastar no NPL, apesar de prometido pelo sr Costa, ainda vamos montar os SEASTAR nas BD e VdG ! :mrgreen:
Rapaziada, toca a abrir os buracos nos lindos mastros OCOS !



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« Responder #1216 em: Julho 29, 2019, 12:36:43 pm »
Lembram-se desta noticia ???

09:47 - 6 de out de 2018
Great news! The first #PortugueseNavy Karel Doorman class-frigate is being modernized similarly to her #BelgianNavy and #RoyalNetherlandsNavy sisters. The modernization includes the installation off a new mast for housing the Thales SeaWatcher 100 radar and Gatekeeper EO-system.



https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1048615656768376833

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« Responder #1217 em: Julho 29, 2019, 01:03:43 pm »
#FakeNews
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-Dom Januário Torgal Ferreira, Bispo das Forças Armadas
 

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1218 em: Agosto 02, 2019, 08:52:19 am »
Resposta da marinha quando perguntei se havia noticias do MLU à BD

..."Tudo está a correr como previsto e no próximo ano estará de volta. "...

Falta saber o que é o previsto...
 

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« Responder #1219 em: Agosto 02, 2019, 09:51:49 pm »
https://www.marinha.pt/conteudos_externos/Revista_Armada/2019/543/?fbclid=IwAR3hAn0kxxbNUuJ2LJO7QcGqxazWMpGcz_Y0DLFXDEeNGXbmiSwOey9DMik

Tal como previsto não irá haver qualquer modernização e o tão propalado "MLU" das fragatas BD não passam de mais um embuste para ludibriar os tolos.

Os radares (o principal já de si ultrapassado e os restantes obsoletos) são os mesmos. Os sensores idem. O novo mastro é apenas decorativo, pois alberga um novo sensor para vigiar a área em redor do navio e alguns sensores de guerra electrónica que poderiam ser instalados na mesma sem ser necessário um novo mastro.

Está claro que isto será a risada na comunidade naval da NATO, já não bastava termos um PR palhaço que os parolos adoram as suas figuras, agora vermos uma das instituições outrora com mais tradição e prestígio da nossa História chegar a esta situação de indigência que o regime oligarca e corrupto saído do golpe militar de 74 lançou no lamaçal e na vergonha.
 
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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1220 em: Agosto 03, 2019, 05:10:00 pm »
Pela primeira vez alguém admite… as nossas M passam para poderem atuar em conflitos de baixa intensidade… fico desconfiado do armamento.

Fonte: GLOBAL MARKET REPORT 2019, Surface warship
Link: http://www.worldinwar.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ka7TWkkD5L7xnDp582WqSafjOobuTRvi3YBImoKd.pdf


"PORTUGAL
 
The midlife upgrade of the former Karel Doorman-class frigate, now called NRP Bartolomeu Dias (F333) is schedule to be completed by the end of 2019. The ship departed Portugal on April 26; the modernisation programme is aimed at extending the ships’ life by 2035 by upgrading vital ship systems. This is needed for the class to continue to meet NATO and EU requirements. The ship is expected to come back to Portugal at the beginning of 2020.
 
The first of two Bartolomeu Dias M-class frigates has departed Portugal towards Den Helder in the Netherlands to begin its mid-life upgrade that is expected to conclude in late 2019. Work on sister ship NRP D Francisco de Almeidais will commence shortly after and should be completed in December 2021.  This modernisation programme was approved in 2016 for a maximum value of 100.63 million euros; weapons, sensor and communication systems, propulsion-related equipment, vessel manoeuvring and power distribution will be modernised. New combat management and electronic warfare systems will be installed on the ships; the PHS-36 hull-mounted sonar Goalkeeper and Harpoon missile fire-control system will be modernised; the frigates’ Mk46 lightweight torpedoes launching systems will be upgrade to the Mk 54 standard; the RIM-7P SeaSparrow point defence missile system will be replaced with the RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile. 
 
This modernisation endeavor aims at extending the life of the ships out to 2035 and deliver capabilities to support the Navy’s continued participation in higher-intensity national and multinational operations.
 
The Navy’s newest Viana do Castelo-class OPV – the NRP Sines – was commissioned in a ceremony in July 2018, after having completed sea trials in late May. Prime Minister António Costa announced during the event that an additional seven vessels would be built for the Navy. The order consists of further six Viana do Castelo OPVs and a new multi-role vessel, costing around 60 million euros each and amounting to 500 million euros in total. They will be built in the Viana do Castelo Shipyards – nowadays called West Sea Shipyards – in the next six to eight years. 
 
  AT SURFACE WARSHIPS 2019
 
Vice Admiral Henrique Gouveia e Melo, Fleet Commander, Portuguese  Navy will share insights on the current operations and multi-mission modularity  of the Portuguese Navy. He will also speak on ensuring the full operational  capability of Karel Doorman-class M frigates and Viana do Casteloclass OPVs  and on the upgrade of the Mk 46torpedoes to the Mk 54 standard. He will also  address littoral warfare and  repurposing M-frigates for low-intensity conflict.
 

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1221 em: Agosto 03, 2019, 06:02:38 pm »
Pela primeira vez alguém admite… as nossas M passam para poderem atuar em conflitos de baixa intensidade… fico desconfiado do armamento.

Fonte: GLOBAL MARKET REPORT 2019, Surface warship
Link: http://www.worldinwar.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ka7TWkkD5L7xnDp582WqSafjOobuTRvi3YBImoKd.pdf


"PORTUGAL
 
The midlife upgrade of the former Karel Doorman-class frigate, now called NRP Bartolomeu Dias (F333) is schedule to be completed by the end of 2019. The ship departed Portugal on April 26; the modernisation programme is aimed at extending the ships’ life by 2035 by upgrading vital ship systems. This is needed for the class to continue to meet NATO and EU requirements. The ship is expected to come back to Portugal at the beginning of 2020.
 
The first of two Bartolomeu Dias M-class frigates has departed Portugal towards Den Helder in the Netherlands to begin its mid-life upgrade that is expected to conclude in late 2019. Work on sister ship NRP D Francisco de Almeidais will commence shortly after and should be completed in December 2021.  This modernisation programme was approved in 2016 for a maximum value of 100.63 million euros; weapons, sensor and communication systems, propulsion-related equipment, vessel manoeuvring and power distribution will be modernised. New combat management and electronic warfare systems will be installed on the ships; the PHS-36 hull-mounted sonar Goalkeeper and Harpoon missile fire-control system will be modernised; the frigates’ Mk46 lightweight torpedoes launching systems will be upgrade to the Mk 54 standard; the RIM-7P SeaSparrow point defence missile system will be replaced with the RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile. 
 
This modernisation endeavor aims at extending the life of the ships out to 2035 and deliver capabilities to support the Navy’s continued participation in higher-intensity national and multinational operations.

The Navy’s newest Viana do Castelo-class OPV – the NRP Sines – was commissioned in a ceremony in July 2018, after having completed sea trials in late May. Prime Minister António Costa announced during the event that an additional seven vessels would be built for the Navy. The order consists of further six Viana do Castelo OPVs and a new multi-role vessel, costing around 60 million euros each and amounting to 500 million euros in total. They will be built in the Viana do Castelo Shipyards – nowadays called West Sea Shipyards – in the next six to eight years. 
 
  AT SURFACE WARSHIPS 2019
 
Vice Admiral Henrique Gouveia e Melo, Fleet Commander, Portuguese  Navy will share insights on the current operations and multi-mission modularity  of the Portuguese Navy. He will also speak on ensuring the full operational  capability of Karel Doorman-class M frigates and Viana do Casteloclass OPVs  and on the upgrade of the Mk 46torpedoes to the Mk 54 standard. He will also  address littoral warfare and  repurposing M-frigates for low-intensity conflict.

pelo que leio:

This modernisation endeavor aims at extending the life of the ships out to 2035 and deliver capabilities to support the Navy’s continued participation in higher-intensity national and multinational operations.


é para alta intensidade ou estou enganado ????
Quanto ao último paragrafo os navios em questão são as VdG e não as BD, de outro modo não tem qq sentido, pois, no 3º paragrafo o discurso do VA, refere que a modernização das BD é com o objectivo de poderem intervir em conflitos de alta intensidade.

Vice Admiral Henrique Gouveia e Melo, Fleet Commander, Portuguese  Navy will share insights on the current operations and multi-mission modularity  of the Portuguese Navy. He will also speak on ensuring the full operational  capability of Karel Doorman-class M frigates and Viana do Casteloclass OPVs  and on the upgrade of the Mk 46torpedoes to the Mk 54 standard. He will also  address littoral warfare and  repurposing M-frigates for low-intensity conflict.

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1222 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 06:19:22 pm »
Será que nas nossas OM76, não iremos ter problemas ?

What's going on with the guns on Dutch frigates?
 
By: Jaime Karremann  Post Posted: 07-08-2019 | Last Updated: 08-08-2019

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  According to Elsevier's Weekly Netherlands can not send frigates towards the Strait of Hormuz, because of the guns would not work the six frigates. The fact that the guns of the air defense and command Fregatten (LCF'en) are out of date, and show defects, it is a fact, but that also the cannon of Zr.Ms. From Speijk could not be used, according to the Head of the Technical Service of the ship or not. 


Oto-Melara 76mm guns of Zr.Ms. From Speijk and patrol ship Zr.Ms. Holland. (Photo: Jaime Karremann / Marineschepen.nl)

 "The outdated onboard guns in six frigates experiencing serious disturbances and are actually decommissioned The Cabinet decided next week participating in a mission to the Strait of Hormuz, but really can not. send frigate, "the article beginsElsevier's Weekly today . A source at Elsevier would say that gun M-frigate Zr.Ms. Van Amstel would not work because the fired grenades exploded prematurely.

 Netherlands currently considering sending a frigate to the Strait of Hormuz there to protect merchant ships from attack. The threat on site is a combination of fast attack bones with explosives or missiles, submarines, anti-ship weapons from land and from ships. For at least the small boats are the guns an important part of the defense, these weapons can be used against air targets. Other means are .50 or MAG machine guns, the goalkeeper and even NATO Sea Sparrow missiles can be used against sea targets.  If the guns are not working, no ship can be controlled, the reasoning of Elsevier.
What's going on with the guns?
Do they really not all ten?
That seems greatly exaggerated. Or only six frigates not? (For the OPV have the same guns as the M-class frigates.)


Just a picture of the two ship classes we are talking about. Left an air defense frigate with 127mm cannon Oto Breda (2001 ship, gun circa 1969). Right M-frigate (Van Speijk) with a 76mm Oto Melara 90s. The LCF'en guns to be replaced, they exhibit a regular defects. The M-class frigates are older (and there are also flaws, but that's another story), but have a younger gun works better.
That gun is not replaced. Both guns are made by an Italian company that is now called Leonardo. The 76mm Oto Melara is a successful product and used by sixty navies around the world. (Photo: Jaime Karremann / Marineschepen.nl) First, the 76mm cannon of Speijk, after the ship named to head the Strait of Hormuz if the government decides. According to the Head of Technical Services (HTD) of Zr.Ms. From Speijk, responsible for the technical weapons and technical systems on board, with the gun nothing wrong. The ship, currently at sea, has in recent months at least two completed shooting the gun. The last exercise was in June, and then the gun worked well.



https://www.instagram.com/p/ByrSayPiNTU/
Movie of the June 14 shooting practice. ( sem qq incidente de disparo ).

 The 76mm guns of the M-frigates date from the '90s and, like the platform on age, but the museum guns are on board the LCF'en. This Oto Breda this year were produced exactly 50 years ago . The 127mm guns are so urgently need replacing, though it is still occasionally fired. But more than a decade ago wrote the then State Secretary for Defense Jack de Vries to the House: "There are periodic defects in the construction, Oto Breda 127mm guns, caused by prolonged use." More cartoons by Henk Boomstra.  In June 2016 was therefore the acquisition by Defense Minister Jeanine Hennis announced a new gun . A letter published in May 2018 and according to the Equipment Project Overview of the September 2018 introduction of the new gun would run from 2019 t / m 2023. This seems somewhat delayed. A spokesman for the Department of Defense is expected that in 2020 the contract is signed for the new guns, it is estimated that the new weapons are delivered in 2023-2024 and posted. Moreover, there are few providers of guns and there are only two 127mm guns that meet the requirements: the new canon of Leonardo and the Mk 45 Mod 4 of BAE Systems.  Elsevier's Weekly speaks of another weapon that would be on the Dutch ship ". Enemy helicopters and speedboats can be trumped with strong laser weapons that blind the pilot or helmsman Usually they turn over to." To the knowledge of Marineschepen.nl is such a "dazzler" does not coat of arms of the Dutch marine operational. Although such a weapon or of might be useful (and increasingly navies does his entrance) in a scenario with many fast attack boats.  Overall, the problems with the guns are not so great that no ship can be sent to the Strait of Hormuz.


https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Wat-is-er-aan-de-hand-met-de-kanons-op-Nederlandse-fregatten-070819.html

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1223 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 07:50:53 pm »
Será que nas nossas OM76, não iremos ter problemas ?

What's going on with the guns on Dutch frigates?
 
By: Jaime Karremann  Post Posted: 07-08-2019 | Last Updated: 08-08-2019

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  According to Elsevier's Weekly Netherlands can not send frigates towards the Strait of Hormuz, because of the guns would not work the six frigates. The fact that the guns of the air defense and command Fregatten (LCF'en) are out of date, and show defects, it is a fact, but that also the cannon of Zr.Ms. From Speijk could not be used, according to the Head of the Technical Service of the ship or not. 

https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Wat-is-er-aan-de-hand-met-de-kanons-op-Nederlandse-fregatten-070819.html

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No nosso caso é mais provável problemas por falta de uso (alguém já viu uma das nossas 76mm a ser usada? As 100mm de vez em quando sempre tirar a "ferruge" do cano...)  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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« Responder #1224 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 08:58:18 pm »
Será que nas nossas OM76, não iremos ter problemas ?

What's going on with the guns on Dutch frigates?
 
By: Jaime Karremann  Post Posted: 07-08-2019 | Last Updated: 08-08-2019

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  According to Elsevier's Weekly Netherlands can not send frigates towards the Strait of Hormuz, because of the guns would not work the six frigates. The fact that the guns of the air defense and command Fregatten (LCF'en) are out of date, and show defects, it is a fact, but that also the cannon of Zr.Ms. From Speijk could not be used, according to the Head of the Technical Service of the ship or not. 

https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Wat-is-er-aan-de-hand-met-de-kanons-op-Nederlandse-fregatten-070819.html

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No nosso caso é mais provável problemas por falta de uso (alguém já viu uma das nossas 76mm a ser usada? As 100mm de vez em quando sempre tirar a "ferruge" do cano...)  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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Se só disparamos três seasparrow em dez anos, paras as peças de 100 ou 76 só devemos ter orçamento para disparar para aí umas trinta salvas em dez anos, tais são os custos  !!
Temos de poupar, pois estamos em tempos de crise, epá se gastarmos em munição de 100/76mm como arranjamos os seis milhões para as duas marlin....... ????:mrgreen: mas.....não é que descobri uma 76mm Lusa a fazer fogo ????
Onze tiros de 76 da FdA, nada mal, deu para tirar alguma ferruge  !

https://www.facebook.com/MarinhaPortuguesa/videos/1602197236468120/

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« Responder #1225 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 09:19:00 pm »
e mais uns oito disparos de 76 da BD, em 2015, uma LOCURA !!

https://www.facebook.com/nrpbartolomeudias/videos/1252810561411059/

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« Responder #1226 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 10:13:56 pm »
A foto com as duas lado a lado, a DZP mete respeito a beira da Karel Doorman!
Eles que se despachem a ver se não querem alienar duas que davam jeito...
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« Responder #1227 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 10:51:44 pm »
Parece que a Marinha só terá interesse nas DZP se os holandeses conseguirem esvaziar o mastro.
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« Responder #1228 em: Agosto 09, 2019, 11:20:48 pm »
Parece que a Marinha só terá interesse nas DZP se os holandeses conseguirem esvaziar o mastro.

 

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Re: MLU às VdG e/ou BD - Hipóteses
« Responder #1229 em: Agosto 13, 2019, 11:44:27 pm »
https://www.facebook.com/159252640762594/posts/2552729278081573/

Acho um bocado estranho esta notícia, os helis Belgas não são os NH-90?