Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama

  • 6178 Respostas
  • 1821266 Visualizações
*

Cabeça de Martelo

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 24331
  • Recebeu: 4701 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3315 vez(es)
  • +3756/-4685
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6165 em: Outubro 15, 2025, 12:10:14 pm »
Não há motivo nenhum para uma guerra com os espanhóis, nem mesmo uma deriva de nacionalismos em ambos os lados seria tão estúpida a esse ponto. Não haver cooperação militar e industrial entre os dois países já é uma burrice suficiente, e não se deve ao receio de uma guerra.

Entre Portugal e Espanha? Obviamente que não, já entre eles... há quem esteja a "lutar" activamente para isso!

Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: LightningBolt

*

LightningBolt

  • Membro
  • *
  • 213
  • Recebeu: 83 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 782 vez(es)
  • +21/-72
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6166 em: Outubro 16, 2025, 03:28:02 am »
Não há motivo nenhum para uma guerra com os espanhóis, nem mesmo uma deriva de nacionalismos em ambos os lados seria tão estúpida a esse ponto. Não haver cooperação militar e industrial entre os dois países já é uma burrice suficiente, e não se deve ao receio de uma guerra.

Entre Portugal e Espanha? Obviamente que não, já entre eles... há quem esteja a "lutar" activamente para isso!



Sem dúvida 👏
 

*

Cabeça de Martelo

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 24331
  • Recebeu: 4701 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3315 vez(es)
  • +3756/-4685
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6167 em: Outubro 21, 2025, 04:34:04 pm »
Já sei que não há qualquer hipotese, mas este projecto para mim é extremamente interessante e não sei nem metade do que quero saber das características do mesmo.

ST Engineering Launches First MRCV for Singapore
Published on 21/10/2025
By Naval News Staff


Singapore’s shipbuilder ST Engineering today launched the first Multi-Role Combat Vessel (MRCV), Victory, for the Republic of Singapore Navy. The future Victory-class MRCVs will replace the six Victory-class corvettes currently in service with the Republic of Singapore Navy, with a greater design emphasis on the MRCVs’ capabilities as “motherships” for autonomous and uncrewed systems over conventional weapon systems.

MINDEF Singapore press release

Minister for Defence Mr Chan Chun Sing officiated the launch ceremony of the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN)’s first Victory-class Multi-Role Combat Vessel (MRCV), Victory, at the ST Engineering Marine Benoi Shipyard today. The MRCV was launched by Mrs Chan, spouse of Mr Chan, who served as the Lady Sponsor. The ceremony was also attended by Minister of State for Defence Mr Desmond Choo, Chief of Defence Force Vice Admiral Aaron Beng, Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Sean Wat, and senior defence officials from the Ministry of Defence, the Singapore Armed Forces, and the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA).

Speaking at the ceremony, Mr Chan highlighted that a strong and capable Navy was integral to safeguarding Singapore’s sea lines of communication and ensuring the nation’s security and survival amid an increasingly complex global security environment.

Citar
“Today, our strategic lines of communications extend much further. That is why we need new capabilities, working together as an integrated SAF, to defend and secure our sea lines of communications, and to make sure that no one with ill intent can disrupt our day-to-day. It is critical to our lives and our livelihoods, and also to the global economy because of the critical geostrategic location that Singapore is in.”

Singapore Minister for Defence Mr Chan Chun Sing
MRCV Victory is the first of six MRCVs to be launched. The MRCV is designed to function as a “mothership” for unmanned aerial, surface and underwater systems for the conduct of naval operations. The MRCVs will also be equipped with advanced sensors, weapon systems and network capabilities. This will allow her to handle a wide range of threats, and function as a Command ship. Designed with advanced automation, the MRCV will be able to operate safely and effectively with a smaller crew compared to other warships of similar size and capability.

MRCV Victory will be undergoing outfitting, platform and combat systems integration, and acceptance trials. In parallel, pioneer MRCV crew will also begin training to prepare them 2 to operationalise the ship in the coming years. The MRCVs will be delivered progressively from 2028 onwards.

he MRCV project reflects the strong partnership with the Defence Technology Community, including DSTA, DSO, ST Engineering, and other industry partners, to ensure that the ship can deliver its envisaged operational outcomes.



Advanced Combatant and Mothership for Unmanned Capabilities

At 150m in length and with a displacement of 8,000 tonnes, the MRCVs are designed to function as Motherships for a range of unmanned systems. With an operational range exceeding 7,000nm – twice that of the Formidable-class frigates – and an endurance of over 21 days, the MRCVs enable the RSN to deploy a range of unmanned systems to protect Singapore’s SLOCs.

Unmanned Surface Vehicles (USVs), Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), and Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs) deployed from the MRCVs will work together to expand the surveillance and operational reach of the ship across air, surface, and underwater domains. This enables one MRCV, with its fleet of unmanned technologies, to execute missions which would require multiple manned warships today.

The MRCVs will be equipped with advanced sensors and weapons to conduct high-end warfare, and perform the role of Command ship in support of SAF missions. It will also feature the latest Combat Management System (CMS), indigenously developed by DSTA, which incorporates advanced sense-making and decision-support capabilities.

Mission Modularity

Designed to host eight containerised modules in its mission bay, the MRCV can be re-configured for a wide range of missions within short periods of time. This provides increased operational flexibility as it allows the MRCV to also be deployed for missions such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR). For example, if the onboard medical capabilities (i.e., Operating Theatre (OT), Intensive Care Unit (ICU), High Dependency Beds, Consultation Room, General Ward, and Pharmacy) are insufficient, the MRCV’s mission bays can accommodate Rapidly Deployable Maritime Containers (i.e. “clinic in a shipping container”) to increase its capabilities for HADR missions.

The capability to handle standardised shipping containers also streamlines logistics for the ship. Food, stores and maintenance equipment can be loaded and unloaded safely and efficiently.


View of the Mission Bay inside the MRCV. MINDEF Singapore picture.

Future Ready Design

Beyond the flexibility that modular capabilities provide, the MRCVs are also built with significant growth margins:

The high-voltage electrical distribution system – the MRCV’s “grid” – needed to power its Integrated Full Electric propulsion (IFEP) system – is designed to accommodate future systems which may have higher energy demands
The superstructure is made from lightweight Composite material. This enhances ship stability by lowering the centre of gravity and provides additional weight margins to accommodate the insertion of new equipment.
The MRCV is also designed with advanced automation to enhance crew effectiveness and safety:

The MRCV’s Bridge – the “cockpit” of ships – can be operated by two crew instead of five, and the Engineering Control Centre only requires one crew instead of four to monitor ship systems.
Onboard cranes streamline the process of loading/unloading of supplies, weapons, equipment. The Mission Bays are also fitted with a cargo elevator as well as equipment for efficient internal movement of containers.

Characteristics

Length: 150m
Beam: 21m
Displacement: 8000 tones
Speed: In excess of 22 knots
Endurance: Over 7000nm
Baseline Complement Crew Size: <100 crew members

Sensors

Thales Multi-Function Radar
Thales Fire Control Radar
SAFRAN Electro-Optical System
Hull Mounted Sonar
Cyber Security Capabilities
Weapons

STRALES 76mm Guided Gun
MK30-C 30mm Remotely-Controlled Weapon System
MICA and ASTER Surface to Air Missile System
Surface-to-Surface Missile System*
*To be confirmed subsequently

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/video-st-engineering-launches-first-mrcv-for-singapore/
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 

*

Bubas

  • Perito
  • **
  • 449
  • Recebeu: 95 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 467 vez(es)
  • +156/-74
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6168 em: Outubro 21, 2025, 08:04:54 pm »
Este navio não foi desenhado pela SAAB ou em colaboração com eles?

Já sei que não há qualquer hipotese, mas este projecto para mim é extremamente interessante e não sei nem metade do que quero saber das características do mesmo.

ST Engineering Launches First MRCV for Singapore
Published on 21/10/2025
By Naval News Staff


Singapore’s shipbuilder ST Engineering today launched the first Multi-Role Combat Vessel (MRCV), Victory, for the Republic of Singapore Navy. The future Victory-class MRCVs will replace the six Victory-class corvettes currently in service with the Republic of Singapore Navy, with a greater design emphasis on the MRCVs’ capabilities as “motherships” for autonomous and uncrewed systems over conventional weapon systems.

MINDEF Singapore press release

Minister for Defence Mr Chan Chun Sing officiated the launch ceremony of the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN)’s first Victory-class Multi-Role Combat Vessel (MRCV), Victory, at the ST Engineering Marine Benoi Shipyard today. The MRCV was launched by Mrs Chan, spouse of Mr Chan, who served as the Lady Sponsor. The ceremony was also attended by Minister of State for Defence Mr Desmond Choo, Chief of Defence Force Vice Admiral Aaron Beng, Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Sean Wat, and senior defence officials from the Ministry of Defence, the Singapore Armed Forces, and the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA).

Speaking at the ceremony, Mr Chan highlighted that a strong and capable Navy was integral to safeguarding Singapore’s sea lines of communication and ensuring the nation’s security and survival amid an increasingly complex global security environment.

Citar
“Today, our strategic lines of communications extend much further. That is why we need new capabilities, working together as an integrated SAF, to defend and secure our sea lines of communications, and to make sure that no one with ill intent can disrupt our day-to-day. It is critical to our lives and our livelihoods, and also to the global economy because of the critical geostrategic location that Singapore is in.”

Singapore Minister for Defence Mr Chan Chun Sing
MRCV Victory is the first of six MRCVs to be launched. The MRCV is designed to function as a “mothership” for unmanned aerial, surface and underwater systems for the conduct of naval operations. The MRCVs will also be equipped with advanced sensors, weapon systems and network capabilities. This will allow her to handle a wide range of threats, and function as a Command ship. Designed with advanced automation, the MRCV will be able to operate safely and effectively with a smaller crew compared to other warships of similar size and capability.

MRCV Victory will be undergoing outfitting, platform and combat systems integration, and acceptance trials. In parallel, pioneer MRCV crew will also begin training to prepare them 2 to operationalise the ship in the coming years. The MRCVs will be delivered progressively from 2028 onwards.

he MRCV project reflects the strong partnership with the Defence Technology Community, including DSTA, DSO, ST Engineering, and other industry partners, to ensure that the ship can deliver its envisaged operational outcomes.



Advanced Combatant and Mothership for Unmanned Capabilities

At 150m in length and with a displacement of 8,000 tonnes, the MRCVs are designed to function as Motherships for a range of unmanned systems. With an operational range exceeding 7,000nm – twice that of the Formidable-class frigates – and an endurance of over 21 days, the MRCVs enable the RSN to deploy a range of unmanned systems to protect Singapore’s SLOCs.

Unmanned Surface Vehicles (USVs), Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), and Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs) deployed from the MRCVs will work together to expand the surveillance and operational reach of the ship across air, surface, and underwater domains. This enables one MRCV, with its fleet of unmanned technologies, to execute missions which would require multiple manned warships today.

The MRCVs will be equipped with advanced sensors and weapons to conduct high-end warfare, and perform the role of Command ship in support of SAF missions. It will also feature the latest Combat Management System (CMS), indigenously developed by DSTA, which incorporates advanced sense-making and decision-support capabilities.

Mission Modularity

Designed to host eight containerised modules in its mission bay, the MRCV can be re-configured for a wide range of missions within short periods of time. This provides increased operational flexibility as it allows the MRCV to also be deployed for missions such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR). For example, if the onboard medical capabilities (i.e., Operating Theatre (OT), Intensive Care Unit (ICU), High Dependency Beds, Consultation Room, General Ward, and Pharmacy) are insufficient, the MRCV’s mission bays can accommodate Rapidly Deployable Maritime Containers (i.e. “clinic in a shipping container”) to increase its capabilities for HADR missions.

The capability to handle standardised shipping containers also streamlines logistics for the ship. Food, stores and maintenance equipment can be loaded and unloaded safely and efficiently.


View of the Mission Bay inside the MRCV. MINDEF Singapore picture.

Future Ready Design

Beyond the flexibility that modular capabilities provide, the MRCVs are also built with significant growth margins:

The high-voltage electrical distribution system – the MRCV’s “grid” – needed to power its Integrated Full Electric propulsion (IFEP) system – is designed to accommodate future systems which may have higher energy demands
The superstructure is made from lightweight Composite material. This enhances ship stability by lowering the centre of gravity and provides additional weight margins to accommodate the insertion of new equipment.
The MRCV is also designed with advanced automation to enhance crew effectiveness and safety:

The MRCV’s Bridge – the “cockpit” of ships – can be operated by two crew instead of five, and the Engineering Control Centre only requires one crew instead of four to monitor ship systems.
Onboard cranes streamline the process of loading/unloading of supplies, weapons, equipment. The Mission Bays are also fitted with a cargo elevator as well as equipment for efficient internal movement of containers.

Characteristics

Length: 150m
Beam: 21m
Displacement: 8000 tones
Speed: In excess of 22 knots
Endurance: Over 7000nm
Baseline Complement Crew Size: <100 crew members

Sensors

Thales Multi-Function Radar
Thales Fire Control Radar
SAFRAN Electro-Optical System
Hull Mounted Sonar
Cyber Security Capabilities
Weapons

STRALES 76mm Guided Gun
MK30-C 30mm Remotely-Controlled Weapon System
MICA and ASTER Surface to Air Missile System
Surface-to-Surface Missile System*
*To be confirmed subsequently

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/video-st-engineering-launches-first-mrcv-for-singapore/
 

*

Cabeça de Martelo

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 24331
  • Recebeu: 4701 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3315 vez(es)
  • +3756/-4685
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6169 em: Outubro 22, 2025, 10:27:34 am »
É uma mistura de vários projectos, mas a Saab está fortemente envolvida no design e construção destes navios.

 :arrow: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/09/dsta-reveals-origins-of-singapores-mrcv/
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Bubas

*

Ghidra

  • Perito
  • **
  • 423
  • Recebeu: 200 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 140 vez(es)
  • +259/-168
  • 🙈🙉🙊
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6170 em: Outubro 22, 2025, 11:30:49 am »
Nessa linha é deve ser o navipol. Um navio com capacidade anfíbia mas possa ser utilizado em outras tarefas militares.
É por isso que d João II vai ser muito útil para desempenhar várias tarefas mais "civis" da marinha, e um navio deste tipo podia ser o mesmo mas na vertente militar.
 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Bubas

*

P44

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 21708
  • Recebeu: 7488 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 8464 vez(es)
  • +8165/-13673
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6171 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 03:02:12 pm »
Marinha da Nova Zelândia ansiosa para introduzir navios de escolta japoneses; Comandante se reúne com o Ministro da Defesa Nakatani

20 de outubro de 2025, 15h18 [Artigo exclusivo para membros]

O Comandante Golding, da Marinha da Nova Zelândia, se reuniu com o Ministro da Defesa, Gen Nakatani, no Ministério da Defesa em Ichigaya, Tóquio, no dia 20. Ele expressou seu desejo de introduzir navios de escolta japoneses. "Estamos propondo, dentro do governo da Nova Zelândia, que eles se tornem um novo ativo naval", disse ele. Nakatani expressou sua gratidão.

Uma versão aprimorada do contratorpedeiro da classe Mogami está em mente. A Austrália o adotou como sua fragata de próxima geração em agosto.

A Nova Zelândia considera a Austrália uma aliada e está fortalecendo a cooperação entre as duas forças armadas.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUA203SW0Q5A021C2000000/
"[Os portugueses são]um povo tão dócil e tão bem amestrado que até merecia estar no Jardim Zoológico"
-Dom Januário Torgal Ferreira, Bispo das Forças Armadas
 

*

Cabeça de Martelo

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 24331
  • Recebeu: 4701 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3315 vez(es)
  • +3756/-4685
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6172 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 03:19:49 pm »
Faz muito mais sentido do que adoptarem uma solução tão cara como as Type 26 ou algo não tão capaz como as Type 31. As Mogami nova geração é um meio termo muito interessante a todos os níveis.
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Bubas

*

LM

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 3701
  • Recebeu: 1816 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 4688 vez(es)
  • +2633/-164
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6173 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 03:23:26 pm »
E são iguais às do seu único vizinho (e aliado) da região, a Austrália.   
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Cabeça de Martelo

*

dc

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 10312
  • Recebeu: 5296 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 865 vez(es)
  • +5382/-1304
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6174 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 05:10:01 pm »
Pegando no tema Espanha, a probabilidade de conflito hoje é virtualmente nula, mas daqui a 20 anos pode não ser.

O fim da NATO, Portugal ou Espanha saírem da aliança, um governo mais radical, uma guerra mundial que vire do avesso o equilíbrio de poder, etc, podem aumentar os riscos de um conflito ibérico.

É por isso importante tentar manter um equilíbrio de poder na região, perante Espanha e não só, para que, independentemente das variáveis futuras, sejamos um osso duro de roer para qualquer possível adversário.

No entanto, não me parece que operar o mesmo modelo de fragata que Espanha seja particularmente grave, principalmente se não tivermos grande dependência deles.

As vantagens que os espanhóis teriam ao conhecerem bem os navios, seriam insignificantes quando comparadas com as vantagens que eles têm em termos numéricos e tecnológicos.

Com a actual estratégia de defesa nacional, com a Marinha concentrada no Alfeite, o tipo de fragata que temos é irrelevante, pois os espanhóis conseguiam limpar 70% da MGP num único ataque.
A única forma de contrariar isto, é ter uma base naval nos Açores, capaz de receber os meios da MGP em contexto de aumento de tensões com o vizinho.

O que não podemos fazer, é entrar em fusões por aí fora com eles. Ter capacidade de operar em conjunto faz todo o sentido, fusões ou total dependência é que não.
 

*

Cabeça de Martelo

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 24331
  • Recebeu: 4701 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3315 vez(es)
  • +3756/-4685
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6175 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 05:34:15 pm »
Em Portugal os nossos melhores meios estão concentrados numa única Base Naval, em Espanha são as Bases Navais de Rota, Ferrol e Cartagena.
Contra a Esquerda woke e a Direita populista marchar, marchar!...

 

*

Lightning

  • Moderador Global
  • *****
  • 11616
  • Recebeu: 2655 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 3930 vez(es)
  • +1002/-1142
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6176 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 05:40:11 pm »
Em Portugal os nossos melhores meios estão concentrados numa única Base Naval, em Espanha são as Bases Navais de Rota, Ferrol e Cartagena.

Cá não dá para teres mais grandes bases navais, mas a ideia de ter pequenas instalações onde os navios podem estar atracados como Portimão, no futuro Viana do Castelo, nas ilhas em Ponta Delgada e no Funchal, ajuda a manter os meios dispersos, só indo ao Alfeite quando for mesmo necessário.
 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Bubas

*

LM

  • Investigador
  • *****
  • 3701
  • Recebeu: 1816 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 4688 vez(es)
  • +2633/-164
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6177 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 05:54:16 pm »
Em caso de guerra com Espanha (ou Marrocos, etc), acham que o problema era só haver o Alfeite? Porque ter várias - atracar é fácil e temos várias localizações, agora ter estruturas como uma Base não - resolvia o problema? Com os drones, misseis de cruzeiro existentes? Que defendam uma Base nos Açores ainda posso perceber - mas uma Base custa recursos e fica a faltar em outro lado.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: Cabeça de Martelo

*

Barlovento

  • Perito
  • **
  • 460
  • Recebeu: 224 vez(es)
  • Enviou: 133 vez(es)
  • +135/-92
Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama
« Responder #6178 em: Outubro 23, 2025, 07:53:09 pm »
Em Portugal os nossos melhores meios estão concentrados numa única Base Naval, em Espanha são as Bases Navais de Rota, Ferrol e Cartagena.

En Las Palmas (Canarias) también hay una Base Naval. En ella están destinados cuatro BAM. Más pequeña y sin barcos destinados allí en permanencia, también está la Estación Naval de Mahón (Baleares).
 
Os seguintes utilizadores agradeceram esta mensagem: sivispacem