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Mundo / Re: Notícias sobre a OTAN

« Última mensagem por MMaria em Hoje às 07:41:31 pm »

O motivo é simples, parece-me: franceses e ingleses nunca aceitariam serem liderados por alemães.

 

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama

« Última mensagem por Bubas em Hoje às 07:41:26 pm »

De onde veio esta informação?

Tá feio, tá...
@LightningBolt não leias! 
Espero que não, mas...

While the official process is a competition, insider information and rumors strongly suggest the French FDI frigate is the likely winner. The final decision is expected very soon due to a looming European Union funding deadline.

Key Rumors and Insider Insights
Internal Navy Preference: An unnamed senior Portuguese Navy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, indicated an internal preference for the Naval Group's FDI frigate.

Political Alignment: The timing of the French Amiral Ronarc'h frigate's recent visit to Lisbon, coinciding with the Defence Minister's public comments, is seen by observers as a strong political signal and part of the government leaning towards the French offer.

Industrial Incentives: Naval Group has sweetened its offer with a significant industrial cooperation proposal, including investment in the Arsenal do Alfeite shipyard and the creation of a joint company for future maintenance, which is a major factor for Portuguese industry and sovereignty.

Proven Platform Argument: A major argument for the French offer is that the first-of-class FDI is already undergoing sea trials, making it a "ready-to-use" solution that meets Portugal's need for rapid operational capability.

Italian Challenges: Fincantieri of Italy remains a contender, but some reports suggest the Italian shipyards are busy with national orders, and the US Navy recently canceled several frigates from Fincantieri's US-based program (Constellation-class) due to design and construction issues, which might implicitly affect perception, even if it is a different program.

Urgent Deadline: The most pressing factor driving a decision is the end of November 2025 deadline to submit projects for European funding. This fiscal pressure means an announcement is imminent.

The consensus among defense analysts is that all signs point towards an outcome aligned with France's naval strategy and industrial influence.

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama

« Última mensagem por P44 em Hoje às 07:41:20 pm »

Tá feio, tá...
@LightningBolt não leias! 
Espero que não, mas...

While the official process is a competition, insider information and rumors strongly suggest the French FDI frigate is the likely winner. The final decision is expected very soon due to a looming European Union funding deadline.

Key Rumors and Insider Insights
Internal Navy Preference: An unnamed senior Portuguese Navy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, indicated an internal preference for the Naval Group's FDI frigate.

Political Alignment: The timing of the French Amiral Ronarc'h frigate's recent visit to Lisbon, coinciding with the Defence Minister's public comments, is seen by observers as a strong political signal and part of the government leaning towards the French offer.

Industrial Incentives: Naval Group has sweetened its offer with a significant industrial cooperation proposal, including investment in the Arsenal do Alfeite shipyard and the creation of a joint company for future maintenance, which is a major factor for Portuguese industry and sovereignty.

Proven Platform Argument: A major argument for the French offer is that the first-of-class FDI is already undergoing sea trials, making it a "ready-to-use" solution that meets Portugal's need for rapid operational capability.

Italian Challenges: Fincantieri of Italy remains a contender, but some reports suggest the Italian shipyards are busy with national orders, and the US Navy recently canceled several frigates from Fincantieri's US-based program (Constellation-class) due to design and construction issues, which might implicitly affect perception, even if it is a different program.

Urgent Deadline: The most pressing factor driving a decision is the end of November 2025 deadline to submit projects for European funding. This fiscal pressure means an announcement is imminent.

The consensus among defense analysts is that all signs point towards an outcome aligned with France's naval strategy and industrial influence.

Qual é a fonte desse texto?

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: Novos SSK da Marinha

« Última mensagem por Drecas em Hoje às 07:41:11 pm »

Uma decisão honestamente estranha

Os 2 A26 suecos foram contratualizados em 2015, e já deviam ter sido entregues o ano passado, no entanto na realidade só vão ser entregues em 2031....

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama

« Última mensagem por Duarte em Hoje às 07:34:02 pm »

While the FREMM is generally a larger, established, and highly capable frigate, often considered superior in sheer capacity and range, the French FDI frigate is considered a newer, more automated, and potentially more cost-effective option that still meets Portugal's core operational needs for a multi-mission vessel.
Here is a comparison of their capabilities relative to Portugal's requirements:



Suitability for Portugal

FREMM Advantages: Its larger size, longer range, and established high-end ASW capabilities make it a potent, proven platform.

FDI Advantages: The FDI's key strengths for Portugal likely lie in its lower crew requirement (reducing personnel costs), a strong industrial cooperation proposal from Naval Group that appeals to the Portuguese government, and its status as a "ready-to-use" contemporary solution that meets the specific budget and delivery constraints.

Decision Drivers: The selection is not purely a technical one. Political, industrial, and budgetary factors, including the urgent need to secure EU funding, appear to be pushing the decision towards the more compact and cost-efficient FDI rather than the larger FREMM, which some considered "too heavy for what Portugal wanted".

In summary, the FREMM may offer superior individual capabilities in some areas, but the FDI is seen as a better fit for Portugal's overall strategic, financial, and operational requirements.

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: O Reapetrechamento da Marinha

« Última mensagem por Duarte em Hoje às 07:19:03 pm »

Não me parece. Talvez no NRP Mondego, se lá chegar..... 

Uma task force, NRP Zaire, NRP Mondego, e NRP António Enes, todas amarradas uma `a outra para nenhuma se afundar. Podem trazer o Capitão Iglo da reforma para comandar. 

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Força Aérea Portuguesa / Re: Substituiçao dos F-16's

« Última mensagem por Charlie Jaguar em Hoje às 07:17:27 pm »

Depois de muita polémica esta semana em relação ao concurso de fornecimento de caças no Canadá, e muito em particular quanto à questão se o Gripen E será ou não de facto um adversário à altura do F-35A, a imprensa canadiana decidiu agora desenterrar as conclusões a que o Ministério da Defesa daquele país chegou em 2021. Recomendo a leitura.

F-35 beat Gripen fighter jet 'by a mile' in 2021 Defence Department competition

Data obtained by Radio-Canada shows Lockheed Martin jet was clear winner

(...) The F-35 got a score of 95 per cent on military capabilities, with a total of 57.1 points out of 60. By contrast, the Gripen-E finished with a score of 33 per cent, netting 19.8 points out of 60, according to the Department of National Defence (DND) ranking obtained by Radio-Canada.

The gap is particularly significant in scoring for “mission performance” and ability to upgrade the aircraft over its life cycle. (...)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-dnd-competition-9.6992167

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: Substituição das Fragatas Classe Vasco da Gama

« Última mensagem por Duarte em Hoje às 07:14:47 pm »

Tá feio, tá...
@LightningBolt não leias! 
Espero que não, mas...

While the official process is a competition, insider information and rumors strongly suggest the French FDI frigate is the likely winner. The final decision is expected very soon due to a looming European Union funding deadline.

Key Rumors and Insider Insights
Internal Navy Preference: An unnamed senior Portuguese Navy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, indicated an internal preference for the Naval Group's FDI frigate.

Political Alignment: The timing of the French Amiral Ronarc'h frigate's recent visit to Lisbon, coinciding with the Defence Minister's public comments, is seen by observers as a strong political signal and part of the government leaning towards the French offer.

Industrial Incentives: Naval Group has sweetened its offer with a significant industrial cooperation proposal, including investment in the Arsenal do Alfeite shipyard and the creation of a joint company for future maintenance, which is a major factor for Portuguese industry and sovereignty.

Proven Platform Argument: A major argument for the French offer is that the first-of-class FDI is already undergoing sea trials, making it a "ready-to-use" solution that meets Portugal's need for rapid operational capability.

Italian Challenges: Fincantieri of Italy remains a contender, but some reports suggest the Italian shipyards are busy with national orders, and the US Navy recently canceled several frigates from Fincantieri's US-based program (Constellation-class) due to design and construction issues, which might implicitly affect perception, even if it is a different program.

Urgent Deadline: The most pressing factor driving a decision is the end of November 2025 deadline to submit projects for European funding. This fiscal pressure means an announcement is imminent.

The consensus among defense analysts is that all signs point towards an outcome aligned with France's naval strategy and industrial influence.

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Conflitos do Presente / Re: Invasão da Ucrânia

« Última mensagem por PTWolf em Hoje às 07:11:35 pm »

Um acordo de paz sem o envolvimento da EU será uma pesada derrota para a União e os seus valores

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Marinha Portuguesa / Re: O Reapetrechamento da Marinha

« Última mensagem por sivispacem em Hoje às 07:10:08 pm »

São pouco msis de 500 pessoas.

Cabem no NRP Zaire? 

Não me parece. Talvez no NRP Mondego, se lá chegar.....