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Título: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: JLRC em Maio 24, 2005, 04:57:04 pm
Dutch Navy to Dispose of Larger Vessels
 
(Source: Radio Netherlands; published May 23, 2005)
 
 
 Defence Minister Henk Kamp wants the navy to get rid of a number of large frigates.  
 
The ships will be replaced by smaller vessels which can be used to patrol the coast.  
 
The defence minister's plans are in line with the wishes of parliament.  
 
The new strategy represents a shift of emphasis away from sea power and towards providing support for operations on land.  
 
The minister is due to inform MPs about the changes to the navy today.  
 
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Enviado por: JLRC em Setembro 13, 2005, 11:23:16 pm
Netherlands Success Emphasises BvS10 Capability
 
 
(Source: BAE Systems; issued Sept. 13, 2005)
 
 
 BAE Systems recent £43 million contract with the Netherlands Defence Materiel Organisation for 74 BvS10 all terrain vehicles underlines the capability the vehicle offers to customers worldwide.  
 
Designed to operate in conditions ranging from the heat and humidity of the jungle to dry desert and the frozen Arctic, BvS10 is a fully amphibious, armoured, all terrain vehicle consisting of two tracked units linked by a steering system.  
 
The decision to acquire BvS10 for the Royal Netherlands Marines in four variants (troop carrier, command, repair & recovery, and ambulance) will greatly enhance the regiment’s rapid deployment capability. Fitted with a more powerful engine and having greater load carrying capability and increased armour protection it will supplement earlier Bv206 vehicles currently in service. Deliveries of BvS10 to the Netherlands will commence in January next year with final deliveries in Spring 2007.  
 
The BvS10 is the latest generation of the Land Systems Hägglunds All Terrain Vehicle family, and is based on more than 25 years experience of articulated all terrain vehicle design and production.  
 
The BvS10 is currently in operation as ‘Viking’ with the British Royal Marines, the first armoured vehicle to be used by the regiment in over 50 years, and is under trial and evaluation in France and Finland.  
 
Ideally suited to emergency and peace-keeping operations, BvS10 is easily transportable, Viking can be moved to the area of operations by C-130 Hercules aircraft, underslung and airlifted by Chinook sized helicopters or quickly split into sections and carried by smaller helicopter types.  
 
 
BAE Systems has major operations across five continents and customers in some 130 countries. The Company employs over 90,000 people and generates annual sales of approximately £14.8 billion through its wholly owned and joint-venture operations.  
 
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Título: Marinha da Holanda quer Tomahawks
Enviado por: JLRC em Outubro 14, 2005, 11:37:58 pm
Dutch Defence Minister Wants to Purchase Cruise Missiles
 
 
(Source: Radio Netherlands; issued Oct. 13, 2005)
 
 
 Dutch Defence Minister Henk Kamp has reportedly decided to purchase Tomahawk cruise missiles for the Dutch navy. The minister will ask the cabinet to make a decision on the issue on Friday.  
 
The Dutch parliament had previously voted against the acquisition of cruise missiles.  
 
The missiles, which have conventional warheads, could be installed on four modern LCF frigates.  
 
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Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 10:58:42 am
caro amigo .
se achar que precisa de mais informacao entao aqui vai o site da marinha da holanda:

http://www.koninglijkemarine.nl
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Enviado por: JLRC em Outubro 28, 2005, 02:04:35 pm
Obrigado Pedro
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Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 04:56:19 pm
de nada
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Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 10:13:14 pm
aqui vai mais informacao sobre a marinha da holanda www.werkebijdemarine.nl (http://www.werkebijdemarine.nl) e um site de informacao sobre os requesitos que uma pessoa tem que ter se quer ir para a marinha :D .
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Enviado por: JLRC em Janeiro 07, 2006, 06:17:41 pm
No Tomahawks - yet - for Dutch Defence Minister


(Source: Radio Netherlands; issued Nov. 26, 2004)


AMSTERDAM --- While the Dutch government remains committed to a broad package of extensive spending cuts, Defence Minister Henk Kamp wants the country to beef up its military capability by buying Tomahawk cruise missiles.

It's a controversial wish on his part at a time when most people in the country are feeling the effect of government cutbacks. On Thursday, parliament in The Hague blocked the plans, with only Mr Kamp's liberal-conservative VVD actually backing his proposal. The left-wing opposition is opposed, and even the VVD's main coalition partner, the Christian Democrats, wants to wait and not take a final decision until 2006.

Harry van Bommel, a member of the Dutch Socialist Party, says it's wrong for the minister to try and buy new weapons at a time of cutbacks:

"This government has a policy of cuts in all sectors of the welfare state. We have three million people now not having dental care any more because it's out of the national health service [É] everybody has been facing cuts. At the same time, our defence minister is suggesting that we should buy a new weapon system worth over 100 million euros. I think it is very inappropriate at this moment in time to have this discussion."

However, retired Major General Frank van Kappen of the Dutch marine corps says the minister is pushing for the acquisition of cruise missiles because of the radical changes taking place in the nature of modern military operations:

"The situation has changed in the world, and what he is trying to do is tailor the Netherlands' defence forces for the new operational environment. He believes that the Netherlands should be able to participate in combined operations over the full spectrum of violence."

If the green light for the new military hardware is ever forthcoming, the missiles will be deployed with the Dutch navy. Mr van Kappen explains that this is because this branch of the armed forces needs to shift its focus to be able to go on cooperating fully with the navies of allied nations:

"Traditionally the Netherlands navy has been focussed on anti-submarine warfare in the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, and land-attack capability in the Netherlands navy is virtually non-existent. In the new operational environment, the role of the Netherlands navy will be defined by how well they can contribute to a joint and combined operation that eventually focuses on land. The Tomahawk cruise missiles provide that land-attack capability, and they're relatively cheap."

But Socialist parliamentarian Harry van Bommel sees things differently. He believes Minister Kamp's plan to acquire the cruise missiles has more to do with pushing the Netherlands forward as a more significant player in international crisis situations:

"I think he wants to use Tomahawk cruise missiles because he wants the Netherlands to play a more important role if it comes to an international crisis. The cruise missiles are going to promote this because they are to be used at an earlier stage of war or any conflict. And he has even said that, in some cases, that might even be without UN authorisation, and that's why we are so very much opposed to the Netherlands buying cruise missiles."

As Mr van Bommel sees it, once the country has such missiles it could, when a crisis arises, be put under a lot of pressure to actually use them:"The Dutch army would be asked by NATO or by an ally to step into a war at an earlier stage. We would be pressed to do so because we then have the possession of these cruise missiles, we also have frigates that have to be used to fire these missiles."

The Netherlands has already committed itself to participation in the United States Joint-Strike Fighter project, and Harry van Bommel believes that buying the Tomahawks as well would push the country even more under the umbrella of US foreign policy, further away from a joint European approach, and limit The Hague's ability to chart its own independent course:

"It also links us more closely to the United States' foreign policy, because US satellites will be used to fire their missiles [É] By buying the Joint Strike Fighter, by buying cruise missiles; we are hooking up to American foreign policy stronger than we ever did. Therefore, it will be in future virtually impossible to define our own course of action in foreign policy; we will follow the Americans more often and at an earlier stage of conflicts. We as the Socialist Party in the Netherlands have no intention to do that."

In Mr van Bommel's view, the defence minister's plan has a lot to do with the government's support for last year's war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and a related desire to take active part if such a conflict arises in the future:

"The Dutch gave political support to the invasion of Iraq, not militarily. But that was only because there was a formation of a new government going on. Now, buying these cruise missiles would enable us to take part really in the first stages of a war, and therefore the support is coming from those parties who originally said that we should have taken part [in Iraq] in a military way as well."

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Enviado por: P44 em Maio 28, 2008, 09:19:41 pm
antevisão do futuro JSS

(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg363.imageshack.us%2Fimg363%2F5928%2Fjloskz5.th.jpg&hash=ef3477226c6cf0adfc889778ee48ff4a) (http://http)
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Enviado por: Johnny em Maio 28, 2008, 09:54:20 pm
O quê????? :shock:  Outro LPD para a Holanda???.... Não acham que 3 navios logísticos para um país como a Holanda é demasiado?
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Enviado por: pedro em Maio 28, 2008, 10:38:20 pm
Meu caro amigo é uma antevisao.
Eu nao creio noutro LPD para a Holanda.
Eu ainda na segunda-feira tive um debate com o ministro Andre rouvoet do ministerio de juventude e Familia e uma das perguntas do debate foi passo a citar""Voce deveria cortar na defesa e investir em desporto para a juventude e nao so.."" a resposta do ministro foi ""se vou falar com o middelkoop nao creio que ele fique muito contente com a ideia.."" :wink:
Cumprimentos
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Enviado por: ShadIntel em Maio 28, 2008, 11:45:20 pm
Citação de: "Johnny"
O quê????? :?  Com certeza para reduzir os custos, porque o JSS canadiano, por exemplo, tem quanto a mim mais cara de... JSS.

Citação de: "pedro"
E para alem do mais o ministerio da defesa Holandes esta a receber creio que é 5.3% do pib holandes

As despesas de defesa da Holanda situam-se em mais ou menos 1,6 % do PIB (~2,7 % do orçamento do estado se não estou enganado). Creio que não há um único país, fora África e Médio Oriente, com despesas de defesa acima dos 5% do PIB.
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Enviado por: JLRC em Maio 28, 2008, 11:46:13 pm
Citação de: "Johnny"
O quê????? :shock:  Outro LPD para a Holanda???.... Não acham que 3 navios logísticos para um país como a Holanda é demasiado?


O  JSS não é um LPD mas sim um reabastecedor de esquadra polivalente. O desenho é que deriva dos Enforcer. JSS significa Joint Support Ship. Os canadianos também vão pelo mesmo caminho com 3 navios projectados.
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Enviado por: P44 em Maio 29, 2008, 11:02:08 am
atenção que esse desenho é só uma antevisão possivel do que será o JSS, o desenho em concreto ainda não está definido, o projecto é de facto um navio que possa servir como LPD+AOR + Navio de Comando em simultâneo.

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New Netherlands JSS



Dutch Plan for Their Largest Naval Ship Ever

Posted by Joris Janssen Lok at 1/15/2008 6:16 AM

The backbone of a modern, 21st-century navy isn't its surface combatants or submarines. It is the large amphibious and/or logistic support ships it can deploy to trouble spots around the world, carrying helicopters, hospital facilities, an embarked landing force, supplies, fuel and a suite of C4I facilities. The Netherlands is planning to build its largest ship ever to be able to do just that.

The new ship is designated the Joint Support Ship (JSS) and will have a displacement of 26,000 tons -- making it a tight fit to squeeze into Den Helder Naval Base.




The JSS is to be ready by 2014 and design of the ship (by the Defense Materiel Organization DMO in close conjunction with TNO Defence & Security, Schelde Naval Shipbuilding, Imtech, Thales, and other industry partners) is starting for real now that the program to build four new Patrol Ships has moved into the production phase.

The plan to build a JSS was first published in the 2005 Naval Study. The ship is to replace the fleet replenishment oiler HrMs Zuiderkruis. The JSS will have a large flight deck capable of supporting Boeing CH-47F Chinook helicopters.

It will also be able to replenish other naval ships at sea, provide strategic sealift of strategic military equipment, and act as a seabase during crisis response operations worldwide.

The JSS will join two Landing Platform Dock (LPD)-type ships that entered service with the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) in 1998 and 2007, respectively (see the Jan/Feb issue of Defense Technology International (DTI) for more detail about these).

Like these LPDs, the JSS will be based on Schelde's Enforcer family of large support ship designs (this was also used as the design for Britain's four new Bay-class amphibious support ships).

Although senior sources in the RNLN so far have not been willing to confirm this, a logical step would be to try and get approval for a second JSS to replace the other fleet replenishment oiler in the Dutch fleet, HrMs Amsterdam, toward the end of the coming decade.

After all, one JSS equals no JSS if the ship happens to be in dock for a major refit at the time a sudden crisis erupts.

With a ship like the JSS, the Netherlands will be able to sea-base a significant aviation, logistic, C4I, disaster relief and humanitarian aid capability right offshore a crisis area struck by a natural or man-made disaster, a civil war or other major disruption.


http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpo ... stcount=16 (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1204894&postcount=16)


para o Canadá:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Support_Ship_Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Support_Ship_Project)
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Enviado por: AMRAAM em Maio 29, 2008, 12:41:06 pm
Articulo muy completo en cuanto a informacion acerca  de la Koninklijke Marine (Royal Netherlands Navy ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koninklijke_Marine
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Enviado por: pedro em Maio 29, 2008, 06:11:40 pm
Entao é o meu livro de economia que esta errado. :wink:
Cumprimentos
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Enviado por: ShadIntel em Maio 29, 2008, 07:50:11 pm
Citação de: "pedro"
Entao é o meu livro de economia que esta errado. :wink:
Se quiser verificar por si próprio, aqui está o link para a página do orçamento de estado no site do Ministerie Van Financiën:

http://www.minfin.nl/nl/onderwerpen,beg ... _2006.html (http://www.minfin.nl/nl/onderwerpen,begroting/inkomsten_x_uitgaven/uitgaven_van_het_rijk_2006.html)

Está tudo no final da página. Basta fazer um cálculo simples. Pode haver alguma variação em relação aos anos anteriores, mas de qualquer forma nunca mais de 0.2 a 0.3 pontos percentuais. Alias, não me lembro que as despesas de defesa da Holanda já tenham representado mais de 5% do PIB; talvez durante a guerra fria...

Cumprimentos.
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Enviado por: pedro em Maio 29, 2008, 09:39:47 pm
Eu tambem achei muito e perguntei a professora se nao achava muito, mas ela disse que deveria estar bem mas nao deu a certeza. :wink:
Cumprimentos :wink:
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Enviado por: P44 em Julho 09, 2008, 08:31:31 am
mais uma antevisão do futuro JSS (Joint Support Ship) Holandês

(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff43%2F12%2F53%2F24%2F68%2Fth%2Fjss20k10.jpg&hash=f58d5696514f05939e0220c56eb5091c) (http://http)

parece que se vai chamar "Karel Doorman" :wink:
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Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 09, 2008, 04:06:43 pm
Pelo que sei a Marinha Holandesa possui 2 LPDs, mas a Aviação Naval apenas conta com Lynxs.

A minha pergunta é:

Está previsto equipar a Marinha Holandesa com helicopteros de transporte para operar a partir dos LPD ou usam os helicopteros da Força Aérea, Chinooks e Cougars?
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Enviado por: typhonman em Julho 09, 2008, 07:11:13 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Pelo que sei a Marinha Holandesa possui 2 LPDs, mas a Aviação Naval apenas conta com Lynxs.

A minha pergunta é:

Está previsto equipar a Marinha Holandesa com helicopteros de transporte para operar a partir dos LPD ou usam os helicopteros da Força Aérea, Chinooks e Cougars?


Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.
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Enviado por: P44 em Julho 10, 2008, 08:29:53 am
Citação de: "Lightning"
Pelo que sei a Marinha Holandesa possui 2 LPDs, mas a Aviação Naval apenas conta com Lynxs.



já estão a começar a operar o NH-90, no tópico destes postei recentemente fotos de um NH-90 da RNLMS

As LCF já estão a receber o NH-90 e ambas as M que permanecem ao serviço da Holanda serão tb modificadas.

Este JSS destina-se a substituir o AOR SuidKreuz
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Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 10, 2008, 12:20:12 pm
Citação de: "Typhonman"
Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.


E cabem nos hangars dos LPDs? Dobram as pás e a cauda (no caso do Cougar)?

Pergunto porque nunca vi imagens disso..
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Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 10, 2008, 03:25:00 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Citação de: "Typhonman"
Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.

E cabem nos hangars dos LPDs? Dobram as pás e a cauda (no caso do Cougar)?

Pergunto porque nunca vi imagens disso..

En el caso de los cougar aunque no estoy seguro,creo que si pueden transportarlos.En el caso de los Chinook,con total seguridad que no pueden transportarlos.De hecho si miramos por ejemplo la web de la armada española y echamos un vistazo a los lpd Galicia y Castilla(Son buques similares a los holandeses,ya que el diseño original fue producido conjuntamente entre la empresa holandesa Royal Schelde Company y la española,por entonces Bazan,actualmente Navantia) vemos que pueden trasportar como maximo 6 helicopteros ab-212 ó 4 SH-3.
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/buques_superficie/03_Buques_anfibios

En el caso holandes,si nos fijamos,por ejemplo en la web Naval Technology,obtenemos que pueden trasnsportar o 4 helicopteros EH-101 ó 6 helicopteros nh-90.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/rotterdam/

Para finalizar os dejo una recreacion virtual del hangar de los LPD clase Galicia de la armada española,para que os podais hacer una idea,del tamaño del mismo..Espero que os sea de ayuda... :wink:

LINK:(Pinchad sobre el punto 5 donde pone HANGAR)
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_visitas/00_buques--01_BAnf_Galicia_es?_imageNodeID=58010&_imageNodeNumber=5&_imagePageNumber=1&_pageAction=changeImage#sel-foto
SALUDOS!!
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Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 10, 2008, 10:06:42 pm
Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.
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Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 10, 2008, 11:14:45 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.

He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:
LINK(Pinchad el apartado 5,donde pone HANGAR):
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_visitas/00_buques--01_BAnf_Galicia_es?_imageNodeID=58007&_imageNodeNumber=6&_imagePageNumber=1&_pageAction=changeImage#sel-foto
SALUDOS!!
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Enviado por: SSK em Julho 10, 2008, 11:37:12 pm
:star:  :star:  :star:
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Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 11, 2008, 09:33:33 am
Citação de: "AMRAAM"
Citação de: "Lightning"
Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.
He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:


Já vi, bastou abrir noutro pc  :D .
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Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 11, 2008, 10:20:20 am
Citação de: "Lightning"
Citação de: "AMRAAM"
Citação de: "Lightning"
Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.
He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:

Já vi, bastou abrir noutro pc  :D  :wink:
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Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 11, 2008, 05:44:14 pm
Esta historia dos Cougars holandeses poderem ou não embarcar nos LPDs fez-me pensar numa coisa.

Há em Portugal muita gente gosta de começar a casa pelo telhado, isto é, andam tão chateados por a Força Aérea é que tem os EH101 que podem "eventualmente" embarcar no Navpol, quando deviam era estar preocupados em a Marinha ter o Navpol propriamente dito.

A Marinha Holandesa tem dois LPDs e não anda muito preocupada em possuir helicopteros de transporte, porque é que então a Marinha Portuguesa, que não tem nenhum LPD, havia de estar?
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Enviado por: DC 38 em Julho 13, 2008, 10:44:00 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
...
Há em Portugal muita gente gosta de começar a casa pelo telhado
...
A Marinha Holandesa tem dois LPDs e não anda muito preocupada em possuir helicopteros de transporte, porque é que então a Marinha Portuguesa, que não tem nenhum LPD, havia de estar?


 :G-Ok:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Jorge Pereira em Dezembro 03, 2009, 11:08:31 pm
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Dezembro 09, 2009, 10:06:08 pm
É por estas e por outras que eu penso que daqui a uns anos o "Zuiderkruis" estará cá para substituir o "Bérrio".  :arrow: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -ship.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/110518/dutch-mps-approve-new-fleet-supply-ship.html)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: cromwell em Dezembro 10, 2009, 02:41:14 pm
Pois, mas nós deviamos construir nos ENVC o novo reabestecador, e não comprar treta velha.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 11, 2009, 09:48:40 am
Antes de 2013 o Zuiderkruis não será vendido, embora pareça ser essa a intenção daqui a uns anos, quando o JSS entrar ao serviço.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: LM em Dezembro 11, 2009, 03:49:03 pm
Citação de: "Charlie Jaguar"
É por estas e por outras que eu penso que daqui a uns anos o "Zuiderkruis" estará cá para substituir o "Bérrio".  :arrow: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -ship.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/110518/dutch-mps-approve-new-fleet-supply-ship.html)


E do "Zuiderkruis" para o Bérrio vale o investimento, tendo em conta que o "Z" não é propriamente "semi-novo"? Por outras palavras, qual seria a vida útil previsivel nas nossas mãos?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 11, 2009, 06:01:19 pm
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HNLMS Zuiderkruis (A832) is one of two replenishment ships serving with the Royal Netherlands Navy. The Zuiderkruis entered service in 1975.
[edit] General characteristics

    * Displacement: 16,900 tons.
    * Dimensions:
          o Length 170 m.
          o Beam: 20 m.
    * Complement: 170-190.
    * Speed: 21 knots
    * Armament:
          o 1 x Goalkeeper CIWS system, up to 8 12.7 mm machine guns, up to 3 helicopters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Zuid ... %28A832%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Zuiderkruis_%28A832%29)

lá novo não é, embora tenha menos 6 anos que o Bérrio.
o Zuiderkruis está neste momento a passar pela sua última grande reparação ao serviço da Holanda, até á entrada do JSS .
Também não tem casco duplo (como o Bérrio), o mais certo é o tempo de vida após 2013 não ser muito longo...

a pergunta que se põe é...em que condições está o Bérrio? Não esqueçamos que este foi comprado "ás pressas" em 1993 porque o São Gabriel já nem estava em condições de navegar!
Temo que o mesmo venha a acontecer a médio prazo e aí "viramo-nos" para o que houver disponivel?

Um AOR novo, construido de raíz, seria o ideal...temo é que com o $$$$ dispendido nas Fragatas, Subs , NPOs e LFCs (se forem para a frente-qd vir acredito!), e se a isto juntarmos o NAvPOl  :roll:  Haverá verba para um AOR Novo????
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Dezembro 12, 2009, 12:15:29 pm
Citação de: "P44"
Um AOR novo, construido de raíz, seria o ideal...temo é que com o $$$$ dispendido nas Fragatas, Subs , NPOs e LFCs (se forem para a frente-qd vir acredito!), e se a isto juntarmos o NAvPOl c34x
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 12, 2009, 06:21:34 pm
Esta malta continua a depositar muita fé nos ENVC...

http://economia.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1413421 (http://economia.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1413421)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: JLRC em Dezembro 13, 2009, 10:50:58 pm
Marinha dos Países Baixos por favor  :?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 11, 2010, 01:52:48 pm
só para informar que o 1º novo OPV já está assim  :roll:

(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg714.imageshack.us%2Fimg714%2F7902%2Fdscf0341h.jpg&hash=043245aa5616596659fdb7c47305757f)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Abril 13, 2010, 09:34:08 am
Explica por miúdos que eu de marinhagem não sei nada...

Foi pintado?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: PereiraMarques em Abril 13, 2010, 09:51:03 am
Acho que o que o P44 está a chamar à atenção é a rapidez da construção, fazendo uma comparação implicita (ou será explicita :mrgreen: ) com o malfadado NPO 2000 português.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 13, 2010, 12:35:46 pm
eu, fazer uma comparação dessas?  :evil:


cerimónia oficial do inicio da construção do P840, em Dezembro de 2008:
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fonte: dutchfleet.net



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First Holland-class OPV set for launch, SIGNALS


The first of four Holland-class offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) for the Royal Netherlands Navy will be launched at Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding's facility in Vlissingen on 2 February.


The 3,750-ton OPVs are being built under Project Patrouilleschepen; contracts for the design and build of the four ships were awarded to Damen and Thales Nederland - worth EUR240 million (USD310 million) and EUR125 million respectively - in December 2007.

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Nav ... aunch.html (http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Navy-International-2010/First-Holland-class-OPV-set-for-launch.html)



uma apostinha que ainda entra ao serviço antes de um certo "navio" cujo nome agora não me lembro...?  :roll:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Abril 13, 2010, 03:21:59 pm
P 44 escreveu:
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uma apostinha que ainda entra ao serviço antes de um certo "navio" cujo nome agora não me lembro...?
É... Eu tenho o nome para aí escrito em qualquer lado, mas também já não me lembro.
Seria NRP Incompetência? Não me lembro mesmo. :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Miguel em Abril 13, 2010, 04:15:44 pm
Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.

Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 13, 2010, 06:08:49 pm
O que é que isso tem a ver para o caso?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 20, 2010, 05:14:23 pm
TERCEIRO  :roll:  OPV classe Holland posto a flutuar no passado dia 4 Novembro

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e o primeiro...

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Fragata M Van Speijk prepara-se para ser a primeira a receber o novo mastro:

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aspecto final:

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Novembro 21, 2010, 09:48:46 pm
Miguel escreveu:
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Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.

Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Qual pessoal? Aquele soldado português que queria fazer um cinzeiro da bomblet?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: FoxTroop em Novembro 21, 2010, 10:30:03 pm
Citação de: "luis filipe silva"
Miguel escreveu:
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Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.

Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Qual pessoal? Aquele soldado português que queria fazer um cinzeiro da bomblet?


Épa.... que essa foi pelo joelho.... Penalti..... Mas também não eram da Armada, por isso..  :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 08, 2011, 06:01:40 pm
Keel Laid Down Largest Naval Vessel for RNLN at Damen Shipyards Galatz
   
   
(Source: Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding; issued June 7, 2011)
 
 
   
   On 7 June 2011, at the Damen yard in Galatz, the keel was laid down for the Joint Support Ship (JSS). The ceremony was performed by Rear Admiral K. Visser of the Royal Netherlands Navy.

Further construction of the vessel will largely take place at Damen Shipyard Galatz, supervised by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) whereas the final systems outfitting, commissioning and testing of the vessel and all of her systems will take place at DSNS in Vlissingen.

About the Joint Logistic Support Ship

The JSS has been designed to operate both in the lower and higher levels of the force spectrum, and measures 205 meter in length and 30 meter in breadth. Total displacement is 28.000 tonnes, speed 18 knots.

The vessel accommodates 180 crew and up to 120 non-listed persons, such as helicopter crew and medical teams. Further large areas for evacuees can be arranged.

The JSS has 2000 lane meters for transport of materiel, a helicopter deck with landing spots for operating two Chinooks simultaneously, and a hangar with a storage capacity of up to 6 helicopters. For maritime support the ship has the holding capacity of approx 8000 m3 of fuel, more than 1000 m3 of heli fuel, approx 450 m3 of potable water and approx 400 tonnes of ammunition.

The JSS has the facilities for loading and unloading operations of materiel and goods in harbors, near the shore or at open or at sea : two Replenishment-At-Sea masts, an elevator and crane for up to 40 tons, a roll on/roll off facility for vehicles, and a steel beach stern construction for accommodating cargo transfer via landing craft.

For self defence purposes the weapon suit consists of two Goalkeepers, two 30 mm automatic guns, and four automatic medium caliber gun systems.

In order to reduce the vulnerability, the vessel will be outfitted with signature reduction measures, ballistic protection, blast resistant constructions, redundant-, shock resistant-, and decentralized systems, a gas citadel and extensive fire fighting systems.

The manning requirement is low as the the vessel is designed with a layout optimized for day-to-day operations and the automation level for this vessel is high. It includes a calamity system, a warning system, an overview system and extensive subsystem automation. Also the communication and networks are state of the art, tailored to operate in a joint network environment.


The Damen Shipyards Group offers a complete range of naval and patrol vessels ranging from 7 to over 200 meters. Part of this portfolio are the Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) naval combatants and auxiliaries, embodied by the SIGMA and ENFORCER series. At present DSNS has under construction for the Royal Moroccan Navy: Three Sigma Class frigates and for the Royal Netherlands Navy: four Patrol Ships and a Joint Logistic Support Ship (JSS).

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -ship.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/126103/turkish-shipyard-lays-keel-for-dutch-logistic-ship.html)

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Artist view of Karel Doorman Joint Support Ship
Copyright: Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 12, 2011, 12:37:09 pm
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ducthfleet.net
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Março 28, 2012, 06:16:58 pm
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Le nouveau patrouilleur néerlandais à la mer avec son mât intégré


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13/03/2012

Le Holland, premier des nouveaux patrouilleurs hauturiers néerlandais du type OGPV, a débuté ses essais en mer avec son mât intégré. Construit par Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) à Flessingue, le bâtiment avait d'abord réalisé l'an dernier ses essais de plateforme sans son Integrated Mast 400, qui a été intégré par Thales fin 2011. Développé par la filiale néerlandaise de l'électronicien, cet équipement permet de rassembler en une seule et même structure la plupart de senseurs du navire. L'IM400 du Holland comprend, ainsi, un radar de veille air à quatre faces planes SeaMaster 400 (bande S), dérivé des SMART et APAR. La veille surface est assurée par un radar fixe Seawatcher (également à quatre faces, bande X), qui peut aussi assurer le guidage de l'hélicoptère embarqué. L'IM400 comprend, par ailleurs, un système électro-optique (IR/TV) de surveillance et d'alerte Gatekeeper. Ce système, avec une capacité de détection à 360 degrés, a été conçu pour traiter les menaces asymétriques, comme les attaques de petites embarcations rapides, de drones aériens ou de nageurs de combat. Le mât accueille enfin l'Integrated Communication Antenna System (ICAS), qui permet l'utilisation de systèmes de communication VHF/UHF et peut mettre en oeuvre une liaison de données tactique (L16), ainsi qu'un système d'identification « Friend or Foe » NR IFF.




Long de 108.4 mètres pour une largeur de 16 mètres, le Holland affiche un déplacement en charge de 3745 tonnes. Dotés d'un système de mise à l'eau pour embarcations rapides et d'une plateforme/hangar pour un hélicoptère de type NH90, il met en oeuvre une tourelle de 76mm, un canon de 27mm télé-opéré, ainsi que de l'artillerie légère. L'équipage sera limité à 50 marins mais le bâtiment a une capacité d'hébergement de 90 personnes. La propulsion, assurée par deux moteurs diesels de 5400 kW, permet au patrouilleur néerlandais d'atteindre la vitesse de 21.5 noeuds et de franchir 5000 nautiques à 15 noeuds.

Le Holland comptera trois sisterships : Le Zeeland, réalisé comme lui à Flessingue et livré en octobre dernier à la marine néerlandaise, ainsi que les Friesland et Groningen, construits par le chantier Damen de Galati, en Roumanie (l'achèvement de ces unités se déroule aux Pays-Bas).

mais fotos aqui
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119027 (http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119027)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Março 28, 2012, 06:31:32 pm
SMART-S já montado no novo mastro

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Miguel Silva Machado em Abril 11, 2012, 09:25:03 pm
Em 7 e 8 de Abril de 2012 dois navios do “Standing NATO Maritime Group One” (SNMG1), estiveram abertos ao público em Lisboa e nós também aproveitamos para uma curta visita. Começamos pelo “De Ruyter” uma das 4 fragatas de Comando e Defesa Aérea da “Koninklijke Marine” a Real Marinha Holandesa, pertencente à classe “De Zeven Provinciën”. Entraram ao serviço entre 2001 e 2005 e são as mais modernas desta Marinha aliada.

http://www.operacional.pt/visita-ao-%E2 ... %E2%80%9D/ (http://www.operacional.pt/visita-ao-%E2%80%9Cde-ruyter%E2%80%9D/)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Trafaria em Abril 12, 2012, 12:37:33 am
Citação de: "Miguel"
Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.

Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Não acho que o caso de Srebrenica seja suficiente para qualificar umas forças armadas e muito menos um país. O que é que lhe diz que se fossem portugueses ou mexicanos as coisas seriam forçosamente diferentes?

Que eu saiba apenas foram considerados culpados da morte de 3 pessoas.

Esse assunto não está nem, provavelmente, alguma vez virá a ser esclarecido. Cada um tem o direito à sua opinião e a minha é a de que o principal responsavel é o CS da ONU. Não houve força nem vontade para parar aquele ataque de quem todos parecem ter tido conhecimento antecipado excepto as forças no terreno. Eu serei o ultimo a condená-las.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Maio 19, 2012, 12:30:47 pm
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 :arrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... OG3xwHloFw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MOG3xwHloFw)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 23, 2012, 10:21:31 am
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Junho 23, 2013, 06:40:30 pm
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: MarcaPistola em Julho 17, 2013, 02:39:51 pm
Dia da Marinha Real Holandesa.
Penso que se forem ao site em baixo conseguem ver mais fotos…penso eu de que…

Para holandeses estava muito bem organizado, tinham parques na periferia de Den Helder e tinham bus gratuitos e a circularem com muita frequencia para a Base Naval.
Dentro da base para além do Sailor em que vieram de muitos paises veleiros tinham navios e subs abertos bem como as instalações. Até as empresas que trabalham para a Marinha Holandesa tinham as portas abertas e demonstravam os seus trabalhos. Uma grande doca seca tapada, em que lá tinham um navio em reparaçoes para os festejos fizeram um jogo de luzes com sons de alarmes…
Também tem outra doca seca mas para navios de tonelagem inferior pois é por elevador que os navios vao para a tal doca.
Os mergulhadores nao tem uma piscina mas sim um contentor e deixam a malta mergulhar com equipamentos mesmo à professional quem estava de for a via a filmagem e ouvia o que ele dizia. Também havia os tipicos baptismos de mar em lanchas e botes. Uma coisa engraçada foi os correios de cá associaram.se e a marinha tinha uns postais com fotos e a malta podia enviar para qualquer lado postais da Marinha Holandesa sem qualquer custo.
Também da para ver a publicidade a Damen num OPV.
O que sinceramente mais me desagradou foi os Navios Portugueses, sairam bem mais cedo do que o previsto para fundear ao largo de Den Helder. Em relaçao à Sagres saiu mas muito sinceramente sem o brio de "de outra ora", os tempos agora sao outros... Os militares nao estavam em formatura, nao mostraram nem a pequena vela com a Cruz de Cristo, nem qualquer som. Noutro meu tempo era diferente, mas agora estou desatualizado dessas andanças. Peço desculpa mas foi o que senti e sinto pelo que vi. Peço desculpa.

Os Russos quando sairam entuavam musicas russas, os Mexicanos estavam todos em formatura nos mastros!!! Os brasileiros idem idem. Etc etc…

Dá para ver que eles são uma laranja mecanica a nivel de reparaçao e construçao naval. E que conseguem rentabilizar as empresas ligadas ao mar.

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 17, 2013, 04:52:23 pm
Esta doca seca coberta é do caraças  :shock:

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Julho 17, 2013, 09:17:51 pm
Citação de: "MarcaPistola"
Dia da Marinha Real Holandesa.

O que sinceramente mais me desagradou foi os Navios Portugueses, sairam bem mais cedo do que o previsto para fundear ao largo de Den Helder. Em relaçao à Sagres saiu mas muito sinceramente sem o brio de "de outra ora", os tempos agora sao outros... Os militares nao estavam em formatura, nao mostraram nem a pequena vela com a Cruz de Cristo, nem qualquer som. Noutro meu tempo era diferente, mas agora estou desatualizado dessas andanças. Peço desculpa mas foi o que senti e sinto pelo que vi. Peço desculpa.


Uma pena que assim tenha sido...
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 18, 2013, 04:15:28 pm
o espelho do país e da mediocridade dos seus governantes.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 07, 2013, 04:10:55 pm
:shock:

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Defence to Sell Off Biggest Navy Ship Before It Is Finished
   
   
(Source: Dutch News; published September 5, 2013)
 
 
   
   THE HAGUE --- The defence ministry has to find over 300 million euros of extra savings. The Dutch navy's biggest vessel, currently being built n Vlissingen will be sold before it is commissioned, Trouw newspaper reported Wednesday.

The scrapping of the logistics support ship, which was to be the biggest and tallest ship in the Dutch navy, is part of a 330 million euro pruning operation, according to the paper. Where the navy gives up a ship, an entire battalion will be scrapped in the army.

The air force will also have to make do with six or seven fewer F16 fighter aircraft. At the same time, the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft is being chosen as the successor to this fleet. The number of JSFs will depend on the price. A ceiling of 4 billion euros will apply to the total order.

These measures, to be announced on Prince's Day (17 September), are on top of the 1 billion euros in cutbacks that Defence had already been saddled with earlier. As part of this, 12,000 jobs will be lost, mostly in the higher echelons.

According to Trouw, while the Karel Doorman (which will cost over 400 million euros), is being sold, at the same time, a new but smaller and cheaper supply ship will be built. HMS Amsterdam (commissioned in 1995), now sailing in the Caribbean, will also have to remain in service longer than planned.

The navy will also have to sacrifice a company, which involves 180 to 200 people. Which battalion will be scrapped is not yet clear. It could be one of the four armoured infantry battalions, possibly one of the two stationed in Havelte.

The scrapping of a battalion costs between 600 and 650 jobs. Additionally, the pruning of support services is to yield savings of 40 million euros.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -cuts.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/147732/dutch-to-sell-off-biggest-ship-in-latest-round-of-budget-cuts.html)


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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Fevereiro 01, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Julho 03, 2014, 10:58:17 pm
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Impressionante! Sempre entrou ao serviço ou não?
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 25, 2014, 05:38:39 pm
Peru comprou o AOR Amsterdam  

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2014 ... 307230042/ (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140723/DEFREG05/307230042/)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Novembro 14, 2014, 04:49:43 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Dezembro 21, 2014, 01:41:35 am
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 21, 2014, 04:21:52 pm
Naval Analyses ‏@D__Mitch 8m8 minutes ago

No way.. A former Kortenaer class frigate (HNMLS Piet Heyn/ UAE Al Emarat) now is.. Yas, a luxury megayaught of UAE

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: HSMW em Abril 10, 2015, 08:47:15 pm
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 25, 2015, 11:22:10 am
Naval Analyses ‏@D__Mitch 9m9 minutes ago

HNLMS Karel Doorman of #KoninklijkeMarine has been officially commissioned (April 24, 2015). Photos by @RonDamman

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Crypter em Abril 25, 2015, 12:14:26 pm
Que bixinho lindo..  :G-beer2:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: olisipo em Maio 04, 2015, 11:06:40 am
Dutch firm "Damen" introduces second generation of its Offshore Patrol Vessel

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This new re-configuration OPVs is highly efficient and incredibly versatile. Damen's famous Sea Axe is used for this second-generation OPVs. Due to this hull design, these vessels demonstrate superior seakeeping including exceptional low heave accelerations. This makes the vessel very comfortable, even in stormy seas. Since the hull is designed to reduce water resistance, the new OPV is also very fuel efficient and capable of speeds 25/26 knots.

Versatility has been reinvented by three new developed multi-missions locations - namely the bridge, hangar and bay. The Multi-Mission Bay can be equipped with dedicated mission modules (e.g. mission containers) for missions such as counter piracy, counter-drug operations, anti-mining warfare (AMW), search-and-rescue (SAR), etc.

The Multi-Mission Hangar is capable of storing an 11-tonne NH-90 and an UAV such as the Boeing Scan Eagle.

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/D ... hauturiers (http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/Damen-devoile-ses-nouveaux-patrouilleurs-hauturiers)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 16, 2015, 09:02:55 pm
Royal Netherlands Navy purchases Thales's new NS100 radar

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December 17, 2014
The system will be installed on HNLMS Rotterdam, to replace its 30-year old DA08 radar system. The NS100 will be installed in the second semester of 2017, in line with the ship’s maintenance schedule.

The Royal Netherlands Navy selected Thales’s NS100 system because of its performance and its proven AESA technology. This technology enables a 3D cue to be given to both Goalkeeper Close-In Weapon Systems on the ship. Furthermore, the selection for this radar has numerous logistic advantages since the Royal Netherlands Navy already operates the latest generation of Thales AESA radars on the majority of its vessels. The NS100 radar incorporates a Thales IFF mode 5/S subsystem, making the Royal Netherlands Navy one of the first navies in the world to deploy this modern standard.

Geert van der Molen, Vice-President Surface Radar. “The NS100 radar confirms Thales’s leading position world-wide in naval radar systems. Its unique dual-axis multi-beam technology gives the user a definite advantage in modern-day missions. We are proud of this new member of our AESA radar family.”

About NS100
The NS100 is the newest member of Thales’s S-band AESA radar family. It is the first radar world-wide using dual-axis multi-beam technology, which significantly enhances situational awareness in a littoral environment. NS100 is a multi-sensor integrated platform: in addition to the S-band radar, the system is designed to include the Scout Mk3 FMCW radar, the IFF mode 5/S interrogator and transponder, an IR camera, AIS and ADS-B. Positioning all sensors at the best topside position optimizes the overall field of view. The highly modular and scalable NS100 enables a tailor-made sensor for customer specific requirements and operational profiles. Radar performance is increased by adding RX and TX Building Blocks, answering to the need set by a wide range of naval ships and missions. The flexible radar architecture enables through-life introduction of new capabilities.

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Vai substituir o DA08 que é o mesmo radar 2D de médio/longo alcance utilizado nas nossas Vasco da Gama.

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https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/netherlands/press-release/royal-netherlands-navy-purchases-thaless-new-ns100-radar
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 21, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
Base Naval de Den Helder

Nesta foto dá para comparar bem o tamanho dos novos OPVs com as fragatas classe M

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: olisipo em Agosto 19, 2015, 07:55:48 pm
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Holanda despliega uno de sus nuevos patrulleros clase "Holland" en la operación Atalanta

http://defensa.com/index.php?option=com ... e&id=16355 (http://defensa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16355)
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Setembro 14, 2015, 11:13:43 pm
[EVENT]Royal Dutch Navy unveils more exact details of new M-class frigate

The oldest M-frigate that is still in Dutch service, dates from 1993 and will be 30 years old in 2023. Since the service life of the ships was already extended from 25 to 30 years , the replacement is expected to enter service that year.

Originally these ships were planned for the year 2020, but Defense Minister Hennis pushed this date to 2023 in 2013. However the first of these new class will be expected to enter service in 2020, with the Karel Doorman class being retired from 2023.

The project has been dubbed Future Surface Combatant. According to the designers of Damen the ship will be 145 meters long with a crew of 120 people. The frigate will be able to operate at the highest violence spectrum is therefore equipped with both sensors and weapons for air targets as surface targets.

Because the M-class frigates have an additional anti submarine warfare specialization and the LCF's do not excel in this, so will the new FSC herein be equipped.

It is unlikely that mine warfare abilities are added to the ship, because those require very different demands in the platform in areas such as requirements for magnetism.

F827 2020 Beatrix
F829 2022 Van Speijk
F830 2023 Prince Friso
F833 2025 Bernard

Specs

Lenght 145 Meter
Displacement 5020 tons full load
Crew 120
Propulsion  
 2 shafts IEP
 2× Rolls Roys SM 3F turbines
 2x Wartsilla16 V26 diesel engines
 2x Holec Electric motor
Weapon Systems  
 16x ESSM Block 2
 10x Harpoon
 1x RAM
 1x 92mm Oto Melara gun
 1x 30 mm Marlin WS
 2x Hitrole Machine Gns
 2x Twin torpedo tubes
Sensor Suite  
 Thales Nederland APAR air and surface search, tracking and guidance radar (I band)
 DECCA NAV navigation radar
 Thales Nederland Scout 2 (Low Probability of Intercept)surface search/navigation radar
 Thales Python VLF passive tactical towed array sonar
 Thales GateKeeper Electro-optical 360° Mk2 surveillance system
 Thales SeaWatcher 300 active phased array surface detection and tracking radar
 Thales PHS-72 Hull-mounted sonar
Electronic warfare  
and decoys  
 2x Sippican Hycor SRBOC MK40 launcher
 1 × Thales Sabre ECM suite
 2 × AN/SLQ-50 Sphinx torpedo decoy
Supplementary Units  
 1x NH90
 4x Unmanned Service Vessels
 1x FRISC

•Design cost : 4 billion euro's
•Unit cost : 450 million euro's.

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: mafets em Setembro 25, 2015, 02:33:04 pm
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The Netherlands Defence Material Organisation (DMO) formally handed over the 28,000-ton Joint Logistic Support Ship (JSS) HNLMS Karel Doorman to the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) on 24 September.

The ceremony marked the successful completion of the majority of the ship's sea acceptance test programme, a DMO spokesperson said. Karel Doorman will now start its work-up trajectory, with a view to achieving full operational readiness by mid-2016.

Built by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding yard in Vlissingen under a contract signed in December 2009, Karel Doorman was laid down in June 2011 and launched in October 2012. Before completion the ship found itself in 2013 declared surplus to requirements under austerity-driven defence budget cuts. The decision was reversed by the Dutch government and it officially entered service with the RNLN on 24 April 2015.

Following commissioning, the ship embarked on a nine-week deployment to Norway, Canada, the United States, and the Dutch Antilles where it conducted warm weather trials, and underwater and magnetic signature testing under DMO supervision. In addition to the DMO's test programme, Karel Doorman was used for replenishment at sea operations throughout the nine weeks, transport of equipment to the Dutch Antilles, and successful trials with a Bell-Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. It also participated in the annual 'Hurricane Exercise' ('HUREX 2015'), demonstrating the versatility and potential of the ship, the spokesperson said.

Prior to commissioning, in November 2014 the ship also completed a three-month deployment to West Africa to deliver aid to Ebola-struck countries.
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Setembro 30, 2015, 03:38:19 pm
Já agora que se fala tanto numa possivel aquisição da MdG do HNLMS Rotterdam, aqui vai mais esta notícia que já tem nove meses....

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Dutch ... m_999.html (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Dutch_Navy_LPD_getting_new_radar_system_999.html)

An amphibious warfare ship of the Royal Netherlands Navy, HNLMS Rotterdam, is to be outfitted with S-band active electronically scanned array radar from Thales.
The NS100 dual-axis multi-beam surveillance radar will replace the landing platform dock's 30-year-old DA08 radar system in 2017.
"The NS100 radar confirms Thales's leading position world-wide in naval radar systems," said Geert van der Molen, Thales vice-president of Surface Radar. "Its unique dual-axis multi-beam technology gives the user a definite advantage in modern-day missions."
The NS100 system enables a 3-D cue to be given to both Goalkeeper Close-In Weapon Systems on the ship. The system includes Thales' Scout Mk3 FMCW radar, and an IFF mode 5/S interrogator and transponder.
The value of the contract from the Netherlands Defense Materiel Organization was not disclosed.


The HNLMS Rotterdam was launched in 1997. It displaces 12,750 tons and is 545 feet in length. Its range is 6,000 nautical miles at 12 knots and it can carry more than 600 marines.

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 26, 2016, 02:56:42 pm
Royal Netherlands Navy vessels to be fitted with Optimarin Ballast Systems

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HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën and HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured here in the Port of Den Helder) are among the ships to be fitted with the OBS. Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy

Ten Royal Netherlands Navy vessels will be fitted with sixteen Optimarin Ballast Systems (OBS) by 2017, the company responsible for the installation of the systems announced May 26.

Dutch Defence Material Organization has awarded three contracts to Golten Worldwide and its Green Technologies business unit for the engineering and turnkey installation of the systems.

Landing Platform Dock (LPD) vessels HNLMS Rotterdam and HNLMS Johan de Witt, the frigates HNLMS Tromp, HNLMS Evertsen, HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën and HNLMS De Ruyter, as well as special purpose vessels MOV Van Kinsbergen, HNLMS Pelikaan, HNLMS Luymes and HNLMS Snellius will all be fitted with ballast treatment systems during their scheduled maintenance periods.

Goltens Green Technologies will engineer and install the UV based Ballast Water Treatment Systems (BWTS) onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy vessels during 2016 and 2017, ensuring compliance with both the pending IMO and existing US Coast Guard regulations on ballast water treatment.

Goltens said the Optimarin’s DNV-GL type approved system is fully compliant with the IMO Ballast Water Management Convention, which is currently just shy of the 35% of global tonnage it requires for ratification, and holds an AMS certificate from the USCG.

According to Optimarin, the ballast system is based on filtration as pre-treatment and high doses of UV irradiation for inactivation of marine organisms, viruses and bacteria, without affecting the normal operation of the ship. Ballast water is UV treated both during ballasting and de-ballasting to ensure the dual UV effect. Ballast water is only filtered during ballasting.

Optimarin further describes the OBS as one of few treatment options that does not use or generate chemicals or biocides in its treatment or cleaning processes.

PS : será que é desta que nos candidatamos a comprar as duas últimas classe M da Holanda ?????
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 01, 2016, 10:18:43 am
Door: Jaime Karremann
Bericht geplaatst: 16-06-2016 | Laatst aangepast: 16-06-2016


The new fregatten around 2025 have ended up at the first stage of the route which must take before to the replacement of current two M-fregatten. Already longer studies are done to the new ships, but meanwhile are themselves the substitute M-fregatten, just like the new onderzeeboten, at the need interview stage. That answered defence today on questions of Marineschepen.nl.

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Cos-ordination of future German fregatten, of which the MKS were in the past also kept track of 180 (Right) the Netherlands. But that ship became eventually much too large. Left F125 the fregat, a rare wrong serum in Germany. (Photograph: German Navy)

in November 2013 was already shown one of the designs of the future fregat. Previous year during a symposium also tipje of the sluier were lifted, but the substitute M-fregatten was himself not yet at the first stage of defence material process (DMP). It remained quiet and also previous year summer was there according to the ministry of defence no communicate news concerning the replacement programme.


Today a spokesman of minister of defence answered Jeanine them niche on questions of Marineschepen.nl that the substitute M-fregatten meanwhile at the a stage of the DMP has ended up. There is therefore progress, continued the spokesman, but the need interview phase is still going on. After wind up of this the House of Commons concerning the results of this it is informed and afterwards defence the media will inform. 

That the substitute M-fregatten at the a stage has not ended up means that is certain that the new ships come there also really. Everything depend on the decision-making in the House of Commons. However, it means that there is money now more for research and staff for the project work. At the a stage the emphasis lies then on the need interview. Thus the requirements are formulated where the new fregatten must to satisfy. The phase is concluded with a a letter. That is the first moment that the second Member of Parliament oaths concerning the nieuwbouwplannen can bend itself.


computer co-ordination of the substitute of M-fregat such as that in 2015 it was shown. (Source: Defence material organisation)

little time, little haste
 when minister them niche expects the a letter to send, has not been confessed. Much time is not there, because four (Dutch and Belgian) of original M-fregatten must consider replace the new fregatten. The ships tribes from the nineties are already tijdje to for becoming obsolete and the question is if they can sail also after 2025 still. Even that year is very ambitious, but little haste had in any case made defence since 2013 on the fregattendossier.

Initially the new fregatten in 2020, must be able sail, which were postponed up to 2023 by them niche and in 2015, once more with at least one year. Having regard to the doorlooptijden of projects, we must take into account that the new fregatten just end twenties available to be.

International cooperation
 complicating factor is moreover also the wish tackle the nieuwbouw internationally. That is haste necessary because two M-fregatten of Belgium form and two of the Netherlands one of the pillars of Belgisch-Nederlandse the Navy amen functioning. As confessed these fregatten in the Netherlands are maintained and the mine hunters in Belgium. That is possible because both countries the same have ships.

Just like in the Netherlands is there in Belgium nothing certainly concerning materieelprojecten in the future. Previous year seemed it several keren that Belgium wants take farewell of the fregatten. Nevertheless its both countries now together in search of opvolging of M-fregatten.

Cooperation with Germany was also one of the options. But the future German fregat MKS180, which found also the Netherlands a lot interesting, grew to a ship with a water displacement of no less than maximum 10,000 barrels, three times larger than current M-fregat. That became much too large for the substitute of M-fregat.

Flexible onderzeebootbestrijdingsfregatten
 where now or of think the Netherlands and Belgium, must become clear from the a letter where the functionalities will stand in. Toch is, however, what confessed concerning in which direction is thought if it concerns the new ships.

Partly appears that from the words of the commander of the Belgian Navy, flotilla admiral Georges Heeren, in the booklet Naval Forces of May this year. Heeren say in that Article which is not gezocht to a real multipurpose ship because he fears that the result is a fregat that much are possible, but nowhere real well in is. Moreover such a ship will become too large and too expensive.

In place of it it must be a fregat that high in the violence spectrum, with the emphasis on onderzeebootbestrijding, but that can operate can be also thanks to modular systems very flexible.

The first two requirements also returns in Article energy is a weapon: on gone to energie-efficiënte the schip' in the Navy booklet of September 2015. The authors outline the overall requirements of the future fregat: primary onderzeebootbestrijding (long-term, worldwide and in the whole violence spectrum), secondary maritime beveiligingstaken and granting maritime assistance, robust maintaining against attacks from air, as from sea and as from land. Finally the new fregatten have a small basis crew of 100 function places according to the authors.

Robust maintaining is important for future fregatten, because by the decreasing number of ships the expectation is that entities in always smaller numbers must operate. These fregatten must therefore improve their own protection are able ensure, because there possible no other ships are available.

http://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Vervanging-M-fregatten-in-nieuwe-fase-160616.html

Peço desculpa pelo tradutor de serviço, mas é o que pode arranjar.

Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Janeiro 02, 2017, 07:51:58 pm
Royal Netherlands Navy's Future Fleet Capabilities: A Continuation of Rational Thinking

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http://www.academia.edu/30676050/Royal_Netherlands_Navys_Future_Fleet_Capabilities_A_Continuation_of_Rational_Thinking
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 22, 2017, 04:25:19 pm
Dutch Navy upgrades support vessel HNLMS Pelikaan

https://navaltoday.com/2017/02/22/dutch-navy-upgrades-support-vessel-hnlms-pelikaan/

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HNLMS Pelikaan. Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy

The Royal Netherlands Navy’s logistic support vessel HNLMS Pelikaan is undergoing refit works at the naval base Parera in Willemstad, Curaçao, where it is expected to remain until April 2017.

HNLMS Pelikaan was launched in 2006 in Galati, Romania, and sailed into Willemstad for the first time on 11 September 2006. Her arrival was welcomed by the local population, in recognition of her role in maintaining security and delivering emergency aid in the Caribbean.

The 65.4 metre vessel primarily supports operations and training conducted by the Dutch Ministry of Defense unit in the Caribbean, and also delivers aid and humanitarian assistance following hurricanes and other natural catastrophes. Most recently, she assisted in relief operations for Haiti following the passage of Hurricane Matthew in October 2016.

Dutch company Alewijnse Marine is in charge of the vessel’s electrical refit under a contract signed with the Royal Netherlands Navy.

Alewijnse will be delivering project management services and preparing, installing and commissioning all the new electrical systems and associated cabling on the external decks of the vessel. This includes the navigation equipment, electrical facilities and lighting.

“The Dutch Royal Navy has selected Alewijnse to travel to Curaçao to undertake the electrical refit, which shows the strong trust that they have in our knowledge and experience,” Alewijnse service coordinator Perry Eikelenboom commented. “Alewijnse designed and installed the original electrical systems on the vessel when she was built and eleven years later we have been invited back to take care of the systems upgrade.”

Com onze anos de serviço e vai ser melhorado, exactamente como nós fazemos por cá................sem mais comentários


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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Abril 22, 2017, 09:59:41 pm

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Maio 13, 2017, 05:54:07 pm
O substituto das nossas "M":

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BI-NATIONAL REPLACEMENT
The current generation of M-frigates is (besides the Belgian navy) also operated by the Portuguese and Chilean navies. All these M-frigates will reach the end of their lifespan somewhere before 2030. Some of these frigates will undergo a life extension. However, the Netherlands and Belgium plan to jointly develop and procure the successors of the M-frigate for their navies.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Janeiro 17, 2018, 01:27:22 pm
Os nossos responsáveis que ponham os olhos nesta Marinha, e façam algo de jeito pela Nossa MdG.
O pdf é bem elucidativo sobre os meios, capacidades e missões da MdG Holandesa.
 
https://www.government.nl/documents/leaflets/2017/03/09/the-royal-netherlands-navy-in-focus

O segundo PDF ainda é mais interessante

https://www.kvmo.nl/images/pdf/2017/Thesis_RNLNs_Future_Fleet_Capabilities_-_W.Veenstra_-_Final.pdf

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Março 28, 2018, 07:00:21 pm
Navy wins big in Dutch 2018 defense white paper

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Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy

The Royal Netherlands Navy, with over EUR6 billion in funds set aside for its acquisition and maintenance programs, is the major winner of the Netherlands defense ministry’s 2018 white paper.

Army and air force follow with little over two and one billion euros, respectively, while 1.7 billion is to go on IT and cyber.

The two most expensive navy programs in the white paper are the replacement of Walrus-class submarines and De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense frigates, both estimated at over 2.5 billion euro.

Contracts for the submarine construction are expected to be awarded in 2021 with the first submarine arriving in 2027. First of the new frigates is set to arrive in 2029.
Multipurpose frigates and mine countermeasure vessels which are being acquired jointly with Belgium are scheduled to arrive in 2024.

Other major programs in the white paper will include the procurement of new mine counter measures vessels, a combat support vehicle and the replacement of two landing platform docks in late 2020s. These two projects, alongside Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile and Standard Missile 2 procurement and integration, are estimated to cost between 250 and 1,000 million.

While presenting an increase in spending compared to the original budget, the 2018 white paper outlines a peak of 1.3% of GDP in 2020 which will still be well bellow NATO’s 2 percent target that is to be achieved by 2024. The Dutch defense ministry noted, however, that the white paper would be revised in 2022 with the aim of outlining steps aimed at achieving NATO’s capability targets

https://navaltoday.com/2018/03/28/navy-wins-big-in-dutch-2018-defense-white-paper/

E se a nossa MdG pensar em ter algumas da De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense frigates, como substitutas das VdG ?????
As duas unidades mais novas são de 2004 e 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn-class_frigate

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 12:00:19 am
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 11:47:08 am
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.

Para mim  o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Março 29, 2018, 01:20:48 pm
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.

Para mim  o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 01:35:01 pm
Dificilmente conseguiremos os quatro (se a Marinha os quiser, obviamente). São excelentes navios e vai, de certeza, haver muita competição para os adquirir em segunda-mão.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 01:39:39 pm
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.

Para mim  o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.

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Tiraste-me as palavras do teclado, tenente.  ;)

Já viste o tempo que poupaste e o desgate do teclado que evitaste CJ ???? ;)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 01:40:36 pm
Dificilmente conseguiremos os quatro (se a Marinha os quiser, obviamente). São excelentes navios e vai, de certeza, haver muita competição para os adquirir em segunda-mão.

mas que ficávamos bem servidos ficávamos e.....quem quer bolota, TREPA !! ;)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 02:35:20 pm
Certamente que sim! Mas para além da eventual competição para aquisição destas belezas, há dois factores importantes que pesam contra a compra das quatro unidades: 1) o preço, obviamente (já para não falar do custo do armamento); 2) e, como muito bem disseste, a guarnição relativamente grande para os nossos padrões (232, de acordo com a Wiki e outras fontes). Não sei se este número já inclui equipas de abordagem e afins, mas é importante realçar que estas não se tratam de simples fragatas AAW, mas também de comando, i.e., preparadas de raiz para acomodar o staff de comando de uma flotilha; presume-se que a guarnição alargada reflecte esta capacidade.

O 'meu plano' sempre passou pela aquisição de duas Zeven para substituir as VdG, seguidas da aquisição de 4 M novas, para substituir as BD.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: jpthiran em Março 29, 2018, 11:07:37 pm
...parece que há quem chame as esses "barquinhos" destroyer!...
...coisa que só as grandes potências têem!...
...não seria melhor focarmo-nos em arranjar 4 ou 5 fragatas novas das que vão substituir as actuais M-frigates ?...
...e teríamos boas fragatas para a luta anti submarina com capacidade de defesa contra mísseis,,,
...e já com design furtivo...
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Março 30, 2018, 01:34:03 am
Os planos da Marinha são para 5 fragatas multi-usos/ASW e duas fragatas multi-usos/AAW. É um facto que nos últimos 20 anos a tendência tem passado por engordar cada vez mais os navios de forma a poderem carregar mais armamento e sensores e, também, aumentar a sua resistência em combate. Mas isto não deve constituir um factor impeditivo ao alcance dos objectivos que a Marinha se propôs.
 
O que antigamente eram fragatas agora são corvetas; o que antigamente eram contratorpedeiros agora são fragatas; o que antigamente eram cruzadores agora são contratorpedeiros. Praticamente todas as fragatas que entraram ao serviço das marinhas ocidentais nos últimos dez anos, bem assim como as planeadas para a próxima década, têm deslocamentos entre as 4.000 e as 7.000 toneladas (tipicamente mais perto do limite superior que do inferior). As FREMM, as F125, as futuras F110 e as futuras Type 26, por exemplo, deslocam todas mais de 6.000 toneladas. Os contratorpedeiros dos países ricos (EUA, Japão, Coreia do Sul) deslocam mais de 10.000 toneladas.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: LM em Março 30, 2018, 12:33:05 pm
Se a MGP tiver 5 fragatas equivalentes às actuais M  já não é mau... i.e., ter 5 fragatas "relativamente" modernas e multi-missões; 2 AAW + 3 "multi" melhor, mas duvido.   

Como se explica a tendência para o aumento de tonelagem, tendo em conta a crescente automatização? Posso argumentar com a capacidade de resistir a danos e manter operacionalidade, mas a capacidade de com 1 ataque infligir danos também aumenta e 2 navios duplica hipóteses de manter capacidade...     
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: mafets em Março 30, 2018, 01:02:34 pm
A tendência na minha modesta opinião é uma diminuição do número de fragatas. Fala-se por portas e travessas que as VDG, a serem substituídas, possivelmente serão apenas por duas unidades. Se fossem duas M já não era mau.   

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Embora o automatismo nas unidades mais recente seja norma, na verdade a quantidade de sensores e armamento, bem como a capacidade de motorização e geradores para colocar todo o navio em andamento e operação, justificam o aumento de tonelagem. Além disso é importante não esquecer que um upgrade realizado por exemplo nas M para permitir a utilização do Nh90 só é possível com uma certa tonelagem e cumprimento. Numa corveta, por exemplo como a Barroso, isso dificilmente seria possível (Aliás, face ao tamanho e tonelagem seria sempre mais limitado, tanto mais que a previsão foi sempre modificação de alguns sensores e armamento, mantendo por exemplo o Lynx como heli embarcado  http://www.ebah.com.br/content/ABAAAfVocAG/corveta-barroso-v (http://www.ebah.com.br/content/ABAAAfVocAG/corveta-barroso-v) ) .

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Abril 05, 2018, 05:32:16 am
Netherlands ‘very welcome’ to join European sub program — with a caveat  By: Sebastian Sprenger

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A sketch of the 212CD design, which Norway has decided to procure. (tkMS via Norwegian Ministry of Defence)

 COLOGNE, Germany — The Netherlands would be welcome to join a German-Norwegian submarine acquisition program, even as the door is closing for final design work on the boats, the Norwegian defense ministry said.

 The statement comes as German defense industry officials have talked for weeks about what they believe is an impending move to reshuffle big-ticket shipbuilding programs by way of a new naval cooperation umbrella with the Dutch. In that telling, The Hague would join the purchase of 212CD-class submarines, built by Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems’ undersea division, and gain a say in the fate of Germany’s Mehrzweck-Kampfschiff 180 frigate program, from which the surface division of TKMS was excluded last month.

 While Berlin and The Hague have officially kept mum about details, several German industry officials and analysts surveyed for this article believe the prospect of a Dutch move is keeping the MKS-180 program’s fate unpredictable.

 When asked about the Netherlands’ interest in the German combat ship effort, Dutch defense ministry spokesman Peter Valstar only wrote in an email to Defense News that senior acquisition officials from both countries had met recently to discuss “various topics like possible cooperations on all kinds of defense projects.”

As for submarines, “We’re currently in the B-phase (research) of our so-called ‘Defence Material Process,‘” Valstar wrote. “The ‘need’ (A-phase) of a submarine purchase is clear. The C-phase (further research) and D-phase (product and supplier) are still to come.”

Norway has always considered the door open for additional submarine buyers since Oslo teamed with Berlin last year. The joint acquisition would see Norway buy four boats and Germany two. Buying and maintaining identical submarines would keep cost down for both countries, the argument goes.

“Norway and Germany would like to see additional partners joining the cooperation, and it would be very welcome if the Netherlands should decide to join,” Norwegian defense ministry spokeswoman Ann Kristin Salbuvik wrote in an email to Defense News.

“We are working together towards several potential nations, and we have a good dialogue with potential partners,” Salbuvik added when asked if the Dutch had formally expressed an interest.

 But the door is closing for would-be partners to have a say in the boats’ configurations. “The design of the German-Norwegian submarines will soon be frozen in order for the supplier, TKMS, to be able to provide a binding offer in July 2018,” the spokeswoman wrote.

“After this point in time, design changes will be costly, and will also have a negative impact on time and delivery schedules for the German-Norwegian submarine building program,” she added. “If additional partners join the cooperation, it will be beneficial for them to strive for as identical a design as possible.”

It is unclear how far discussions for a Dutch-German naval armaments pact have bubbled up toward the defense ministries’ leaders. But the issue is “very much a topic of conversation in political Berlin,” one source noted.

 If given the chance to tweak the MKS-180 configuration, the Dutch would push for a smaller ship design than is currently envisioned, one industry source predicted.

 With Damen Shipyards, the Dutch already have local industry in the running for the program, teaming with Germany’s Blohm &Voss, which is now part of the German Lürssen group.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=368

PS Mas quanto a nós mantem-se o já usual " Orgulhosamente sós " onde é que eu já ouvi isto ??? Não aprendemos mesmo nada !!!
Quer dizer, aprender até aprendemos a continuar a ser capazes de........... roubar á vontade !!!!

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Abril 05, 2018, 10:15:09 am
Tenente, se há duas Forças Armadas que estão cada vez mais integradas, são as da Holanda e da Alemanha. Por exemplo a última unidade de Carros de Combate do Exército Holandês faz parte integrante de uma Divisão Alemã.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 05, 2018, 06:09:25 pm
Multibillion Euro Impulse for the Dutch Navy
(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted May 04, 2018)

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The Dutch Navy will replace its two M-frigates (HNLMS Speijk seen here) and Alkmaar-class minehunters, and buy a second logistic support ship, under a 6.7 billion plan submitted to Parliament yesterday by the defense ministry. (NL MoD photo)

 PARIS --- The Dutch Navy is on the verge of receiving a multi-billion euro investment, the Dutch daily De Telegraaf reported Thursday. In addition to the two M-Frigates, six minehunters are also being replaced by partly unmanned systems. There will also be new missiles, torpedoes and cannons, while the four air-defense and command frigates will undergo a thorough upgrade.

 Secretary of State for Defense Barbara Visser officially announced this to Parliament’s Lower House on Thursday. In total, this involves an investment of 6.7 billion euros beyond the replacement of the submarines, for which an additional 2.5 billion euros has been earmarked.

 According to a bilateral agreement on joint naval procurement signed in November 2016, the Netherlands is the lead nation for the procurement of frigates for both countries’ navies, while Belgium is to lead procurement of new minehunters for both.

Dutch tender

 In the State Secretary’s memorandum, naval forces seem to benefit most from the extra funds that this government is spending on the armed forces. By the end this cabinet period, it will eventually receive a structural 1.5 billion euros.

 Frigates are the backbone of the navy, and their replacement is therefore essential. Because of their power, they ensure safety at sea, defense of their national territory and that of allies, and unrestricted sea transport. Where the air defense and command frigates specialize in air defense, the M-frigates are designed for anti-submarine warfare, which is a capability that NATO has a great need for. In addition to combat operations, frigates are also suitable for, for example, anti-terrorism, drugs and piracy control and the provision of emergency aid.

 The construction of a complex ship like a frigate takes more than 7 years. The first new frigate is expected to be operational from 2025 onwards.

 The current multipurpose frigates, the HNLMS Van Speijk and the HNLMS Van Amstel were commissioned into Navy service in 1991 and 1995, ( correct comissioning dates are 1995 and 1993 respectively ) with a planned lifespan of 25 years. By 2024, new frigates must enter service to replace them.

 The replacement of the M-frigates is estimated to cost 1 to 2.5 billion euros, Visser estimates, and the ministry would like to stay close to home, preferring a tender in which Damen Shipyards in Gorinchem would be the biggest contender, according to RTL Nieuws. Defense procurement is not subject to European procurement rules.

 Another major purchase is that of a second supply ship. The Netherlands now has one supply ship, the joint logistic support ship (JSS) Karel Doorman after one - the Zr. Ms. Amsterdam - was retired in 2014 and sold to Peru. For a new ship, 250 million to 1 billion euros will be allocated.

 A second Combat Support Ship (CSS) should increase the effectiveness of naval vessels, as they would have to leave the area of operations less frequently for a port visit. With a second support vessel, the Dutch Defense organization can permanently have supply capacity at sea and also make it available to NATO.

 The CSS must be launched relatively quickly from 2023 onwards. For this purpose, the Defense organization will take the existing design of the JSS. Buying “off-the-shelf” has several advantages: use can be made of existing knowledge and experience, and the maintenance and training and training of the crew can be pooled.

 The CSS is smaller than the JSS, but still the same as much as possible. Think of architecture and design, the command system, the armament and the use of (sub) systems as radar.

 For a new ship, 250 million to 1 billion euros will be allocated.

New mine hunters

 The Dutch Navy operates six Alkmaar-class minehunters. Developed and built in the 1980s in a joint program together with Belgium and France, and have now reached the end of their lifespan.

 The deteriorated security situation increases the chances that naval mines could be deployed, and there are also many explosives on the coat left over from the First and Second World War.

 The future of maritime mine control lies in unmanned and partly autonomous systems. These are deployed at a safe distance from a manned mine-control vessel. In addition, the minehunters are designed in such a way that they can operate worldwide and under high threat. The Netherlands will receive the new units, both manned and unmanned, between 2025 and 2030.

 The cost of the replacement of the six Dutch mine hunters will fall in the same order of magnitude and the CSS, or less than 1 billion euros.

Other expenses

According to the memorandum to Parliament, a selection of other acquisitions planned by the defense ministry in the coming years for the Royal Netherlands Navy includes:
 -- New generation of anti-aircraft missiles for M-frigates: 250 million - 1 billion euros;
 -- Softkill defense system against torpedoes: 100-250 million euros;
 -- Replacement 127 mm gun LC frigates; 100-250 million euros;
 -- Replacement Harpoon system (surface-to-surface missile): 100-250 million euros; and
 -- Replacement Goalkeeper system for self-defense against short-range air threat: 100-250 million euros.


http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=281

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Van_Speijk_(F828)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Van_Amstel_(F831)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 14, 2018, 06:10:44 pm
Navy to replace its two multi-purpose frigates  04 May 2018

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The HNLMS Van Speijk at sea. (Photo courtesy of Dutch Defence.)
 
THE HAGUE--The two multi-purpose frigates of the Royal Dutch Navy that are stationed on a regular basis in the Caribbean, HNLMS Van Speijk and HNLMS Van Amstel, will be replaced by new, more modern ships in about eight years.

 The lifespan of the two multi-purpose vessels, commonly referred to as the M-frigates, is nearing its end. HNLMS Van Speijk (F828) entered service in 1995 and HNLMS Van Amstel (F831) in 1993. They are the last two in a series of eight ships in the Karel Doorman class.

 The ships, which measure 122 metres in length and have a crew of 150 to 160, are decreasingly able to match current and future threats, the systems on board are becoming outdated and spare parts are harder to come by, which results in high maintenance cost. In 2020, the two ships will have reached the end of their operational and technical lifespan.

 It takes about seven years to construct a frigate. The first of the two new M-frigates is expected to be ready for deployment in 2025. Replacing the two ships will cost between 1 billion and 2.5 billion euros. The ships will be developed together with Belgium with which the Netherlands has intensive cooperation where it concerns M-frigates and mine combat vessels. Belgium will also get two new M-frigates.

 The M-frigates play a vital role in the Navy, and their replacement is essential. “Frigates are all-round ships and form the backbone of the surface fleet. They are important units to bring safety at sea and for the maritime defence of our own territory and that of allies, including the Caribbean part of the Kingdom,” stated Dutch State Secretary of Defence Barbara Visser in a letter to the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament on Thursday.

 The M-frigates are specialised in anti-submarine warfare, a much-needed capacity in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO). M-frigates are also equipped to combat illegal drug operations, terrorism and piracy, and to provide emergency relief and carry out evacuations. The ships are regularly dispatched to the Caribbean as the so-called station ship.

 The Navy vessel HNLMS Zeeland that provided the much-needed and appreciated assistance in the Windward Islands, in particular in St. Maarten, and in Dominica after Hurricanes Irma and Maria in September 2017, was not an M-frigate, but an Ocean-going Patrol Vessel (OPV).

 The HNLMS Zeeland, which measures 108 metres in length and has a crew of 50, is a smaller vessel than the M-frigate type, but also a much younger one: it was deployed in 2013. The OPV type vessels are especially used for Coast Guard tasks in the North Sea and in the Caribbean.

 Several other new ships of different types will be constructed in the coming years besides the two M-frigates. A second supply ship will be built. The Netherlands currently has one supply ship, the Joint Logistic Support Ship (JESS) HNLMS Karel Doorman, which was dispatched twice to St. Maarten after Hurricane Irma to bring large cargo loads to the island. The HNLMS Karel Doorman is 205 metres long, the largest ship of the Dutch Navy.

 A second supply ship, a so-called Combat Support Ship (CSS), should increase the effectiveness of the Navy ships because the latter would not have to leave the operational area on a regular basis to get supplies at a harbour. With a second supply ship, the Dutch Defence can have permanent supply capacity at sea.

 The Combat Support Ship will be smaller than the HNLMS Karel Doorman, but there will be many similarities, as the design of the latter ship will be used for the CSS. The CSS should be deployed by 2023.

 The six mine combat ships of the Alkmaar class will be replaced. The ships date back to the ’80s and are reaching the end of their lifespan. The vessels are increasingly having trouble detecting modern sea mines. The Navy will receive the new ships, manned and unmanned, between 2025 and 2030. The new mine combat ships will also be developed together with Belgium.

https://www.thedailyherald.sx/islands/76285-navy-to-replace-its-two-multi-purpose-frigates

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 14, 2018, 06:23:08 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 14, 2018, 07:49:20 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.

Ora nem mais eu até dou de barato termos cinco fragatas, mas que se devia pensar já na aquisição das novas Fragatas para 2035, já não é cedo, pois não tarda nada as actuais fragatas tem 30 e mais anos !!!
Quanto aos restantes tipos de Navios que mencionaste 100% de acordo nas aquisições , principalmente nos Contra Medidas, pois é uma lacuna de bradar aos Céus !!!

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 14, 2018, 08:03:35 pm
Diria até mais: escandaloso! Mais a mais, quando se tratam de navios que, pelas suas características e dimensões, também podem desempenhar tarefas de patrulha para as quais, como sabemos, não abundam cascos.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: mafets em Maio 15, 2018, 12:26:58 pm
Nem os módulos de dragagem de minas compramos para os Tejo, quando mais Draga Minas.  :P

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Aparentemente até os Tailandeses tinham mais visão que nós...  ;)

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Maio 15, 2018, 03:43:07 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.

E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 15, 2018, 05:41:49 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.

E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:

Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???

Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Maio 15, 2018, 06:12:16 pm
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:

Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???

Olha, bem pensado tenente. Mais as duas M holandesas e dois draga-minas e já era um embrulhinho todo catita. :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 15, 2018, 08:28:34 pm
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:

Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???

Olha, bem pensado tenente. Mais as duas M holandesas e dois draga-minas e já era um embrulhinho todo catita. :mrgreen:

Completamente de acordo e o pacote total por 120  milhões o que achas estás de acordo fechamos já negócio ??!!

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PS acabei de vir de uma inauguração de um restaurante no Infantado e...... :dormir: :dormir: :dormir: :nice: :nice: :amazing:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 16, 2018, 12:49:30 am
Mais IVA e a pagar a 10 anos sem juros. :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 06, 2018, 01:50:30 pm
Goalkeeper e não só !




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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 06, 2018, 01:56:23 pm
Uma bela marinha !!



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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 06, 2018, 07:14:15 pm
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At Den Helder naval base, in the background A833 KAREL DOORMAN

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 17, 2018, 01:35:32 pm
Sea Platforms
Dutch OPVs and amphibious ships back in service

Nicholas Fiorenza, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
12 October 2018

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The RNLN OPV Ms. Groningen and its three sister ships are operational again after their sprinkler systems were repaired. Source: Dutch MoD

The Royal Netherlands Navy's (RNLN's) four Holland-class oceangoing patrol vessels (OPVs) and two landing platform docks (LPDs) can go to sea again after their sprinkler systems were repaired, the Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on its website on 9 October.

In November 2017, the ministry announced that patrols by the OPVs Zr. Ms. Holland, Friesland, Zeeland, and Groningen were suspended after the RNLN found a problem with the sprinkler system on Holland .

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding did the repair work. The sprinkler systems of the amphibious ships Ms. Johan de Witt and Sr. Ms. Rotterdam are also working again and all the installations have been certified and approved, the MoD said.

https://www.janes.com/article/83766/dutch-opvs-and-amphibious-ships-back-in-service
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 09, 2018, 09:20:50 pm
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Foi hoje anunciado a construção do novo AOR da marinha real holandesa, o Zr.Ms. Den Helder.
A marinha já anunciou que fará uma licitação de 20 milhões de euros em 2045 quando a Holanda decidir vendê-lo.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Igor em Novembro 09, 2018, 10:50:19 pm
Adoro os projectos de contrução naval dos estaleiros holandeses, quer a nivel de sistemas embarcados, bem como a sua arquitectura naval. Ao contrário dos nossos  que mais parecem traineiras desenhadas nos anos 80, digo isto em relação aos nossos npos.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 10, 2018, 02:08:11 am
Adoro os projectos de contrução naval dos estaleiros holandeses, quer a nivel de sistemas embarcados, bem como a sua arquitectura naval. Ao contrário dos nossos  que mais parecem traineiras desenhadas nos anos 80, digo isto em relação aos nossos npos.

São também os meus favoritos. Não fale daquilo dos npo's que é uma aberração e estupidez sem tamanho. Continuar a apostar naquilo por patriotismo bacôco,  quando acabou de ser lançado já estava ultrapassado. Em vez de adoptarem um projecto novo de um construtor naval reputado para ficarem actualizados nos avanços na área. São burros como um tijolo e continuam a insistir naquela merda.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: typhonman em Novembro 10, 2018, 03:58:13 pm
Adoro os projectos de contrução naval dos estaleiros holandeses, quer a nivel de sistemas embarcados, bem como a sua arquitectura naval. Ao contrário dos nossos  que mais parecem traineiras desenhadas nos anos 80, digo isto em relação aos nossos npos.

Vejam aquelas fotos com as redes no sitio do heli... por falar nisso já algum Lynx lá aterrou?

Isto é mesmo a tuga...

São também os meus favoritos. Não fale daquilo dos npo's que é uma aberração e estupidez sem tamanho. Continuar a apostar naquilo por patriotismo bacôco,  quando acabou de ser lançado já estava ultrapassado. Em vez de adoptarem um projecto novo de um construtor naval reputado para ficarem actualizados nos avanços na área. São burros como um tijolo e continuam a insistir naquela merda.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 10, 2018, 05:24:13 pm

Pelas imagens dá para ver que o CSS Zr.Ms. Den Helder vai estar equipado um canhão de 30mm Marlin WS na proa, 2 RWS Hitrole de 12,7mm a bombordo e a estibordo e um CIWS Goalkeeper. Ao nivel dos sensores vai ter um radar AESA Thales NS 50 ou 100 de última geração.
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Novembro 12, 2018, 10:41:44 am
Dutch Navy’s new combat support ship to be named HNLMS Den Hélder

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Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy

The Royal Netherlands Navy’s new combat support ship that will be delivered in 2023 will be named HNLMS Den Helder, the navy announced on November 9.
As the name of the new ship was announced, the defense ministry also shared a 3D animation of the ship arriving at the Den Helder naval base.

Barbara Visser, state secretary for defense, said this is the first time a Dutch Navy ship will bear the name of Den Helder in recognition of the city’s long-standing cooperation with the navy. Den Helder serves as the logistics base for Dutch and some Belgian warships.
A final contract for the construction of the combat support ship (CSS) will be signed with Dutch shipbuilder Damen in 2019.

The CSS will supply other naval vessels at sea with fuel, ammunition and goods. It will be equipped with two replenishment at sea stations and feature a helicopter deck and hangar for flight operations. There is space for sea containers on the upper deck. For boarding and rescue operations and passenger transport, there are two RHIB motorboats on board.

The future HNLMS Den Helder is the first in a series of new acquisitions for the Royal Netherlands Navy under the country’s 2018 defense white paper. In addition to the CSS, the Dutch Navy will receive new minehunters and frigates that will be procured in collaboration with Belgium.

https://navaltoday.com/2018/11/12/dutch-navys-new-combat-support-ship-to-be-named-hnlms-den-helder/

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 12, 2018, 01:25:53 pm
Façam lá as OMEGA para a gente comprar as M
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Novembro 13, 2018, 06:13:12 pm
Netherlands: new DMV Anaconda tactical military vehicles for Korps Mariniers

In 2019, the Mariniers Korps (Marine Corps of The Netherlands) will receive 46 DMV Anaconda 4x4 tactical vehicles. The DMV Anaconda is a completely indigenous and new vehicle designed by DEBA Trucks, a Dutch company (DMV stands for Dutch Military Vehicles).

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Deba's Anaconda tactical vehicle developed for the Korps Marinies of The Netherlands on an Iveco chassis (Picture source: Derba)

The Anaconda project started this year and will be available in several variants. The first 36 DMV Anaconda tactical vehicles developed by the Deba Bedrijfswagens B.V. (Bedrijfswagens means professional vehicles) will be formally transferred to the Mariniers Korps on 31 January 2019. Two months later, another 10 will follow.

The DMV Anaconda is a light 4x4 vehicle in the 7-tonne class. Vehicle is based on an Italian Iveco chassis. The power pack consists of a 3-liter Iveco diesel engine generating 180 HP (430 Nm), coupled to an automatic transmission with one reverse and five forward gears. This enables the vehicle to reach a maximum speed of 110 km/h and a maximum range of 1,000 km.

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=42&page=11

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 28, 2019, 04:17:04 pm
Thales to develop air warfare mission suite for new Dutch, Belgian frigates

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The Netherlands Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) has contracted Thales to develop a new anti-air warfare system, dubbed the Above Water Warfare System (AWWS), which will be used on the new generation of frigates to be built for the Netherlands and Belgium.

The current multi-purpose (M) frigates in service with the two navies will be replaced as they are reaching the end of their lifecycle. A new generation of M-frigates is scheduled to start entering service in 2024.

Although their primary role will be anti-submarine warfare, the new frigates must be able to independently defend themselves as well as nearby units against air and surface threats.

For this purpose, they will be equipped with AWWS, a new system that will continuously generate the best solution to counter incoming threats. It will consist of a new generation of sensors, coupled with intelligent software that continuously calculates which actions are best suited to tackle each threat detected by radar and other sensors in the right manner. This maximizes the chance of survival, while the crew stays in control.

AWWS will use the fully digital dual-band X/S radar suite: an integral combination of active phased array radar (APAR) and Sea Master 400 radar technologies.

Prior to the AWWS contract, the Dutch defense ministry initiated advanced research into this technology with DMO, TNO and Thales more than ten years ago. This resulted in an agreement for a “technology demonstrator”.

The technology demonstrator will eventually be installed at a shore-based test site for tests and trials.
“For many decades, the naval building cluster, knowledge institutes and defense have been supplying modern and technologically advanced products in what we call the Triple Helix. These products are essential for our national security,” Arie-Jan de Waard, director, DMO. “It is great we are taking an important step for this priority with the development of the AWWS project with Thales.”

https://navaltoday.com/2019/02/28/thales-to-develop-air-warfare-mission-suite-for-new-dutch-belgian-frigates/

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 28, 2019, 04:24:29 pm
Dutch sub program in bed with the Swedes: Would it make any sense?

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The Dutch submarine HNLMS Walrus sits moored to the pier at Submarine Base New London. (John Narewski/U.S. Navy)

The Netherlands’ new batch of submarines may come from the alliance between Dutch and Sweden shipyards. The decision is an attempt to save a dying industry, in a show of solidarity between European Union countries. But investing in Europe while NATO is the main defense provider on the continent is mixing apples and oranges — especially since Sweden isn’t a NATO member.

After many years of loyal service, the small fleet of Walrus-class submarines will soon be retired out of the Dutch Navy. They have served well, despite their old age, and can no longer be extended or upgraded. The new subs will have to be non-nuclear, but top of the line, as the Netherlands expects to keep up the good work it has been providing within NATO operations until now.

In recent years, with the resurrection of Russian military power, an increasing number of incursions into the Baltic Sea, North Sea and Bothnian Sea have been spotted, with the Russians gathering intelligence and re-establishing their blanket of power. The U.K. is no longer able to contain the mountain threat and needs partners inshore (such as the Netherlands), as explained by British Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson: “In 2010, a Royal Navy ship was called on just once to respond to Russian Navy ships approaching U.K. territorial waters. Last year we had to respond 33 times.” Dutch submarine crews have done a good job hounding them so far, much to the satisfaction of NATO, and intend to do even better with the new ships.

So far it is rumored that the ships will be built by a consortium including national shipyard Damen, Swedish shipyard Kockums (a division of Saab) and maybe even German partner ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems — if TKMS survives that long. But this arrangement brings about many questions, and leaves observers puzzled.

The first worry to come to mind is technical and industrial. If Damen and Kockums do get the deal, it will indeed represent a breath of fresh air. Kockums hasn’t received an international order since the 1990s, which means that all its experienced engineers are now retired. The future Dutch subs not being nuclear doesn’t make them simple. Indeed, diesel-electrics are not a thing of the past: In fact, their technology is still roaring and developing fast. A long streak with no contracts, or the outright discovery of such technologies, will come with many trials and errors.

This challenge will be further complicated by Kockums’ recent past. After a heinous divorce from German partner TKMS (who would like to get back in the game), Kockums was reacquired by Saab in 2014, under government pressure. New partnership, new technology, new headquarters, low-production capacity: a lot of “ifs” for one of the most complex armament programs to exist.

Of course, the argument of European solidarity does stand. Europe has had the fantasy to tighten its military cooperation for many years, with regular mentions of a European army, even. Given the unlikelihood of such a development in the near future, starting with armament cooperation does make sense. Or does it?

So far, European defense has been an urban legend more than anything else. There has been some level of cooperation, a few experimental tries and even low-intensity military operations. But the fact remains that Europe is indeed well-defended, but not by Europe. NATO has been the cornerstone of European defense for decades and will likely remain so for many more.

Given that Sweden is an EU member, but not a NATO member, doesn’t building a submarine program with the Swedes amount to feeding the wrong horse? The Netherlands should know, as they are themselves very active NATO members, and fully appreciate, as continental defenders, the concept of military sovereignty.

Sovereignty: the keyword in the matter. In the old days, submarines were little more than underwater ships. Practical, indeed, but just another piece on the chessboard. Nowadays, with the evolution of submarine roles and capacities, they are sovereignty vector.

Submersibles now represent a military capacity to strike anywhere in the world, at a small or large scale, and to be everywhere and nowhere: the very definition of power. But sub programs are immensely complex and sensitive. To be successful, their design must be top notch, secret and properly implemented, and the builder must stay alongside the program throughout its life for maintenance, upgrades and troubleshooting.

The Damen-Kockums partnership, on the other hand, amounts to entrusting a foreign, non-NATO, private company, with limited technological command, with the Netherlands’ most valuable sovereignty vector. Kockums’ last order was the Australian Collins class, which was poorly designed and required levels of maintenance which Kockums struggled to provide. And things would probably get even worse in the case of a joint venture with former partner TKMS, who sold three submarines to bankrupt Greece but didn’t bother delivering them, and whose latest warships were thrown out by the German Navy over defects.

The EU is not a military force, nor will it be anytime soon. There is much to be said about intra-European cooperation, but do the Dutch actually want the country’s (and NATO’s) most valuable military asset to be within the hands of a foreign private company that still has everything to prove in its capacity to successfully carry out submarine programs? NATO has been asking European members to ramp up their defense efforts. For one of Europe’s main defenders to keep on defending Europe, it needs submarines that work.

Günther Hoffmann is a former officer of the Royal Netherlands Navy. Since retiring from the service, he has worked as a part-time civil servant for the Dutch Ministry of Defence, acting as an adviser on technological and industrial issues for the Navy.


http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=368&page=3

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Março 07, 2019, 08:38:12 pm

Belgian-Dutch MCM - Imtech Belgium - Damen unveiled its solutions

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https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/february/6836-belgian-dutch-mcm-damen-schelde-unveiled-its-solutions.html

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Março 27, 2019, 10:11:41 am
SMART-L MM/N BMD radar installed on first LCF frigate

Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
   
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.

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         has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
HNLMS %3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)

Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.

SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.

https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 22, 2019, 07:40:13 pm
Belgian, Dutch minehunter contract officially awarded

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The Belgium Naval & Robotics consortium, composed of Naval Group and ECA Group, officially received a contract for the construction of twelve mine-hunting vessels for the navies of the Netherlands and Belgium.

As revealed, the 12 ships will be equipped with some 100 drones, clustered in ten mission toolboxes.
The contract is worth 2 billion euros over a span of 10 years. Production is scheduled to start after a three-year design phase.
The first ship is expected to be delivered in 2024.

Belgium Naval & Robotics said it would carry out a significant part of the contract in Belgium, in particular the production of certain equipment for the ship and all naval drones. Ship maintenance will be carried out in Zeebrugge in partnership with Flanders Ship Repair (FSR).

The 2800-ton vessels will incorporate an implementation and recovery system for ECA Group’s Inspector 125 unmanned surface vehicles (USV). They are integrated into the C2 MCM Umisoft system connected to the Naval Group’s I4drones system to form the mine-warfare mission system integrated into the ship’s combat system.

The solution includes A18-M autonomous underwater vehicles, T18-M towed sonars and mine identification & destruction systems composed of SEASCAN and KSTER-C remotely operated vehicles. All these drones can be operated autonomously from the USV Inspector 125. The drone system also includes unmanned aerial vehicles and dredgers.

https://navaltoday.com/2019/05/22/belgian-dutch-minehunter-contract-officially-awarded/

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 17, 2019, 05:53:35 pm
Netherlands downselects contenders for submarine replacement

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The Dutch MoD has downselected the companies bidding to replace its Walrus-class submarines to Naval Group, Saab Kockums, and TKMS. Source: Dutch MoD
The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on its website on 13 December the downselection of companies bidding to replace its Walrus-class diesel submarines. The ministry said Navantia had been eliminated from the competition, leaving Naval Group, Saab Kockums, and Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) to continue.

The MoD stated the requirements for four long-range, multimission submarines able to operate unseen far from their home base. The next phase of the competition will be judged on factors such as best boat for best price, risk management, and ability to protect the Netherlands' national security interests and strategic autonomy, according to the ministry.

The MoD emphasised the importance of involving the Dutch "shipbuilding cluster, including SMEs [small- and medium-size enterprises]". State secretary for defence Barbara Visser said, "The Netherlands' shipbuilding sector must obtain the best possible position in the supply chains of foreign shipyards. A good position as supplier offers Dutch companies and knowledge institutes the chance to increase their own knowledge and that of their customers, benefitting [the Ministry of] Defence."

Saab said in a 13 December press release that it had teamed with Dutch shipbuilder Damen Shipyards to develop an expeditionary submarine to replace the Walrus class, based on the Swedish A26 submarine and the experience of the Swedish-designed Collins-class submarine in service with the Royal Australian Navy.

Naval Group has partnered with Dutch systems integration and subsea system company Royal IHC to offer what the French shipbuilder envisaged in a 13 December press release with an operational profile "very much in line with the mission capabilities of the conventionally powered Barracuda family submarine".

TKMS is offering the U212CD design already in development to meet the joint requirements of Germany and Norway, with Dutch industrial participation and the involvement of technology institutes such as TNO, Marin, and NLR.

https://www.janes.com/article/93222/netherlands-downselects-contenders-for-submarine-replacement

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 18, 2019, 10:29:24 am
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U212CD  :arrow: https://www.defencechronicles.eu/u-212-cd-the-next-norwegian-submarine-but-what-for/
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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 20, 2019, 11:45:46 am
On 19 December the Cabinet of the Netherlands’ Government has submitted a so-called D-letter to the Parliament, to begin the construction by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) of Zr. Ms. Den Helder support ship for the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN).

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https://twitter.com/Defence360/status/1207957929179131904

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Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: goldfinger em Dezembro 23, 2019, 01:18:51 pm
SMART-L MM/N BMD radar installed on first LCF frigate

Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
   
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.

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HNLMS
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         has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
HNLMS %3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)

Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.

SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.

https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate

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On 9 March, a major milestone in the development of SMART-L EWC was reached: installed on a test tower in Hengelo, the demonstration module produced its first air picture.

Looking to the west in a 90 degree angle, the radar provided a clear image of the sky over the Netherlands, the North Sea and a part of the UK.

After all systems were switched on for the first time the screen in the control room instantaneously filled with more than a hundred aircraft tracks. Proof that the radar works as expected. The system is operating in AAW mode, with an instrumented range of 480 km. In the course of this year, work on de demonstration module will continue and its performance will increase. Towards the end of the year we expect to be able to operate the system in Ballistic Missile Defence mode, with a range of 2000 km.

In 2012 Thales received a contract from the Royal Netherlands Navy for the update of the four SMART-L volume search radars on board of the De Zeven Provinciën class vessels. This update is to increase the radar’s range to 2000 km, making this sensor suitable for the early detection of ballistic missiles. The first SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability) is expected to be installed on board of the ship in 2018.

In 2015 the Royal Netherlands Air Force contracted two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems as replacements for the aging MPR sensors that are presently guarding the Netherlands’ air space. Together with this contract, the Defence Materiel Organization and Thales signed a contract that committed Thales to all maintenance activities of the four naval and the two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems.
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Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 23, 2019, 01:59:47 pm
SMART-L MM/N BMD radar installed on first LCF frigate

Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
   
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.

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Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.

SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.

https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate

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On 9 March, a major milestone in the development of SMART-L EWC was reached: installed on a test tower in Hengelo, the demonstration module produced its first air picture.

Looking to the west in a 90 degree angle, the radar provided a clear image of the sky over the Netherlands, the North Sea and a part of the UK.

After all systems were switched on for the first time the screen in the control room instantaneously filled with more than a hundred aircraft tracks. Proof that the radar works as expected. The system is operating in AAW mode, with an instrumented range of 480 km. In the course of this year, work on de demonstration module will continue and its performance will increase. Towards the end of the year we expect to be able to operate the system in Ballistic Missile Defence mode, with a range of 2000 km.

In 2012 Thales received a contract from the Royal Netherlands Navy for the update of the four SMART-L volume search radars on board of the De Zeven Provinciën class vessels. This update is to increase the radar’s range to 2000 km, making this sensor suitable for the early detection of ballistic missiles. The first SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability) is expected to be installed on board of the ship in 2018.

In 2015 the Royal Netherlands Air Force contracted two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems as replacements for the aging MPR sensors that are presently guarding the Netherlands’ air space. Together with this contract, the Defence Materiel Organization and Thales signed a contract that committed Thales to all maintenance activities of the four naval and the two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems.

Mesmo á nossa medida este radar, SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability).
Pena é que quando estiverem á venda, estas quatro fragatas, se houver alguém que licite as quatro, terá vantagens em relação a Portugal, que apenas se irá candidatar a comprar duas unidades !!

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Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 03, 2020, 06:14:31 pm
Dutch amphibious transport ship to undergo midlife upgrade

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The Royal Netherlands Navy’s amphibious transport ship Johan de Witt will receive a midlife upgrade (MLU) as it has almost reached the halfway point of its expected lifecycle.

The upgrade will guarantee its capabilities until 2032 and keep the ship operational, Dutch shipbuilder Damen said.
Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding and RH Marine, which specializes in maritime electrical and automation systems, are carrying out the contract with the Defence Material Organization and the Naval Maintenance and Sustainment Agency, the maintenance branch of the navy.

On January 31, contracts were signed with Damen Schelde and RH Marine, with works expected to start in late 2021.
The preparatory phase is now ready and the contracts concern the basic design phase. This is followed by detailed engineering, after which work preparation and execution can start. For efficiency reasons, the MLU is combined with planned periodic maintenance, according to Damen.

In the basic design phase, more than 60 MLU modifications and the maintenance works are processed into a well-functioning overall plan. The modifications vary from installing additional weapon systems to solving structural problems.
This also includes upgrading automation systems, networks, installing modern sports facilities and modernizing medical facilities.
 
 https://navaltoday.com/2020/02/03/dutch-amphibious-transport-ship-to-undergo-midlife-upgrade/
 
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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 03, 2020, 07:24:23 pm
MLUs de verdade, e não encher mastros com ar  ::)
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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 09:31:02 am
Meanwhile in países desenvolvidos

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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 10:14:23 am
Damen awarded contract for new RNLN support ship

Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
19 February 2020

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The Netherlands' Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) has contracted Damen Shipyards Group for the construction of a new combat support ship (CSS) for the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN).

To be named HNLMS Den Helder , the new vessel will restore the dedicated afloat support capability lost when the replenishment vessel HNLMS Amsterdam was decommissioned as a savings measure in December 2014.

The contract was signed by the DMO and Damen on 19 February, and calls for delivery in the second quarter of 2024. Following trials and work up, Den Helder is expected to achieve operational status with the RNLN in the second quarter of 2025.

The design of Den Helder is derived from that of the RNLN's joint support ship HNLMS Karel Doorman . Approaching 200 m in length and displacing 22,000 tonnes at full load, the new ship will have a crew of 75, plus accommodation for an additional 75 people on board. Two replenishment-at-sea stations will be fitted for the transfer of fuel, dry stores and ammunition, and there will be space to carry approximately 20 containers as deck cargo.

A flight deck and hangar facility provide for the operation and support of rotary-wing aircraft. Two rigid-hull inflatable boats will be carried for boarding and rescue operations and passengers. There will also be provision to carry two 9.5 m FRISC (Fast Raiding, Interception and Special forces Craft) interceptors.

A diesel-electric propulsion system is specified, with twin shafts each driving fixed pitch propellers. Maximum speed will be over 18 kt.

The design process has paid close attention to reducing fuel consumption and exhaust emissions (to meet IMO Tier III regulations on nitrogen oxide emissions). According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), the combination of propulsion system, hull shape and propeller design reduces fuel consumption by around 6% compared to Karel Doorman .

https://www.janes.com/article/94412/damen-awarded-contract-for-new-rnln-support-ship
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 10, 2020, 02:45:27 pm
38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020

With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored.

This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fleet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.

The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facilities.

The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) consists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.

On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so-called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design.

IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP
Seven per cent efficiency gain

The ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power. Electric propulsion motors and two fixed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots.

Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion efficiency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were carried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.

Equipment

The ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides, constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator.

The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 containers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.

Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same applies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats.

The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles.

The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.

Survivability

During the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's susceptibility, vulnerability and recoverability.

For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – quite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship.

The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by damage control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.
Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless system will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.

Focus on maintenance

Preparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to producing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training.

The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS
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Enviado por: P44 em Abril 22, 2020, 10:24:45 am
Leonardo To Supply New 127mm Main Guns For Netherlands Navy’s LCF Frigates

The Dutch Defence Material Organisation (DMO) announced that it has selected Italian company Leonardo to supply new 127mm naval gun systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy's four De Zeven Provinciën-class LCF frigates.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/04/leonardo-to-supply-new-127mm-main-guns-for-netherlands-navys-lcf-frigates/
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Enviado por: tenente em Abril 23, 2020, 09:09:46 am
Building ‘Den Helder’

(Source: Dutch Defence Matériel Organisation; issued April 6, 2020)

(Unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com)

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An artist’s impression of the Dutch Navy’s future Combat Support Ship, Den Helder, together with the logos of the estimated 100 companies that will contribute to its construction. (Damen image)

With the new contract for the construction of the new supply ship Zr.Ms. Den Helder, more than 100 (mainly) Dutch companies will obtain work.

The Director of Defense Materiel Organization (DMO), Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard, and Arnout Damen, the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group, signed the agreement before the restrictions caused by the coronavirus outbreak.

The DMO and Damen, as main contractor, will supervise the project together.

The future Den Helder will operate alongside the Joint Support Ship Zr.Ms. Karel Doorman, which will also provide the basic design of the Combat Support Ship (CSS).

The supply vessel, which is almost 200 meters long, will have a 75-person crew and will also be able to accommodate 75 additional passengers on board. There is room for a number of helicopters and about 20 containers.

The design has explicitly looked at fuel consumption and exhaust gas emissions. The combination of diesel engines, hull shape and screw design provide a fuel consumption reduction of approximately 6 percent compared to Zr.Ms. Karel Doorman.

Completion is scheduled for the 2nd quarter of 2024. The CSS must be operational for operation one year later. The size of the total project budget is € 375 million.

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Main Contractor Damen And More Than A Hundred Companies Contribute to Combat Support Ship

(Source: Damen Schelde; issued February 19, 2020)

With the contract signing for construction for the new supply ship HNLMS Den Helder, more than a hundred, mainly Dutch companies receive work. The contract was signed today in Den Helder by the Director of Defence Material Organization (DMO), Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and Arnout Damen, the new CEO of the family business Damen Shipyards Group.

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) will supervise the project, together with DMO, as the main contractor. Damen will not do this alone; more than a hundred companies from the Dutch naval construction sector are involved in this ship. This means that a large part of the sector will be deployed to participate in this innovative new ship.

With HNLMS Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored. The ship will operate alongside the Joint Support Ship HNLMS Karel Doorman. This vessel also forms the basis for the design of this Combat Support Ship. The new ship can be used worldwide and can operate under high threat, protected by frigates. In addition, she can be used in the fight against drug trafficking, controlling refugee flows and providing emergency aid.

The supply ship, which is almost 200 metres long, will receive a 75-person crew and can also take 75 extra people on board. There is room for several helicopters and around 20 containers. The design explicitly looked at fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. The combination of diesel engines, hull shape and propeller design reduces fuel consumption by around 6 % compared to HNLMS Karel Doorman.

The building contract is not contracted out elsewhere in Europe. DMO wishes to keep the knowledge and skills of designing and building naval ships in the Netherlands. The armed forces thus invoked Article 346 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It states that Member States may protect essential security interests. This also relates to the production of defence equipment.

Completion is scheduled for the second quarter of 2024. A year later, in the second quarter of 2025, the Combat Support Ship must be operable. The size of the total project budget is 375 million euros.

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Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Maio 26, 2020, 12:05:07 pm
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Considering the advantages of such a capability, but also the expectations that in the future it is more likely that smaller, for instance company-sized, units will be deployedfor SOF/SOC operations, all large surface units would preferably have such an inherent amphibious capability. Combining the earlier mentioned BMD-platform with an amphibious ship design, a so-called crossover, provides an interesting angle to approach the challenge of the future replacement programs of present amphibious capability and all high-end warfare frigates.

Especially considering the RNLMC is able to field six special operations capable raiding squadrons, which can operate independently, support SOF-operations, andoperate together as battalions. Independent crossover frigates can have a significantflexibility to execute the tasks within the three naval roles and the adaptability to operate in low-intensity and high-intensity environments. Subsequently, a number of crossovers operating together are able to create a potent flexible navy/marine expeditionary task group on a European level.

https://www.academia.edu/30676050/Royal_Netherlands_Navys_Future_Fleet_Capabilities_A_Continuation_of_Rational_Thinking?email_work_card=view-paper
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Enviado por: tenente em Maio 26, 2020, 02:38:52 pm
Dutch Navy’s support ship Pelikaan to undergo mid-life electrical refit

EQUIPMENT & TECHNOLOGY
May 25, 2020, by navaltoday

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Alewijnse Marine is undertaking the assessment for the upcoming electrical refit that will be an important part of the mid-life refit of the Royal Netherlands Navy’s logistic support vessel HNLMS Pelikaan (A804).

Alewijnse was awarded the contract by Damen Shipyards Den Helder in August last year and commenced work in January. The work is being carried out in Den Helder and at Damen Shiprepair Harlingen.

The 65.4-meter-long Zr.Ms. Pelikaan operates exclusively in the Caribbean region where she provides support to maritime security operations and, in times of disaster, humanitarian relief. The support ship is permanently based at Curaçao.

Alewijnse’s scope of work during the refit project is said to be extensive. The company is responsible for total service provision for the electrical work, covering engineering, supply and installation of equipment, project coordination and commissioning of all on board electrical systems. This includes the installation of brand new telephone, radar, CCTV and alarm and monitoring systems (AMS).

Alewijnse undertook the original electrical installation when the vessel was built at Damen Shipyards Galati in Romania in 2005. The company is expected to complete the new project on time, enabling the vessel to be back in the Caribbean in time for the Hurricane season.

COVID-19 pandemic
The project has faced additional challenges as a result of the coronavirus crisis. Alewijnse’s contract manager Perry Eikelenboom explained:
“The safety of our personnel and of all those working on location is our top priority during this project. Maintaining safe distances while working and minimising the number of people on location at any one time place pressure on the schedule, but are essential.”
“Thankfully, we enjoy a close cooperation with the yard and, working together and following their robust safety measures, we manage to be both efficient and safe.”

https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/05/25/dutch-navys-support-ship-pelikaan-to-undergo-mid-life-electrical-refit/

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Enviado por: tenente em Julho 04, 2020, 07:54:29 pm
New milestone crossed for Belgian-Dutch mine hunter program

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Amid the coronavirus crisis, a new contractual milestone was crossed by the Belgium Naval & Robotics teams representing the Naval Group-ECA Group consortium.

Exactly one year after the notification of the contract in 2019, the program which provides for the supply of twelve mine hunters equipped with drone systems (Toolbox) to the Belgian and Dutch navies reached the “System Functional Review” milestone on May 23, 2020.

The review validates the functional and architectural studies of all the systems of mine action ships developed by Naval Group such as computer networks, electrical installations, propulsion or combat systems, as well as those of all drones developed by ECA Group, key elements of the ships.

This review also focused on the systems of systems that provide mission management, communications and cybersecurity, as well as on the integration of drone systems on the ship.

“This milestone represents an important step because it demonstrates that the systems’ architecture of the armed ship meets the functional requirements of our Belgian and Dutch customers,” Eric Perrot, program director for Naval Group, commented.

The twelve ships will be equipped with a total of a hundred drones managed in a pool called Toolbox, shared by the two navies and supplied by ECA Group.

The configuration of the Toolbox, used on board each ship or deployed from the shore, will vary depending on the typology of the missions. It will consist of surface drones USV INSPECTOR125, underwater drones AUV A18M and towed sonars T18 for mine detection and the MIDS system (Mine Identification and Disposal System) for mine identification and neutralization.

“The requirement and the rigor of the client when passing these milestones are essential; we can thus approach the following phases of the program under sound conditions. Furthermore, the mobilization of our teams during the confinement period made it possible to ensure an efficient telework organization and thus meet the deadlines,” Jean-Louis Sambarino, program director of ECA Group, said.

In charge of the preliminary design of the ships, Naval Group works in close collaboration with Kership who will carry out the detailed design of the ships and their construction. Kership’s activities will start after crossing the Preliminary Design Review milestone, which is scheduled for December 2020.

The contract for twelve mine hunters for the Belgian and Dutch navies will span over ten years. After a design period of three years, Belgium Naval & Robotics will move on to the production phase of these ships and drone systems, with an initial delivery scheduled for 2024.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/07/03/new-milestone-crossed-for-belgian-dutch-mine-hunter-program/

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GE to Provide Electric Propulsion Systems to Royal Netherlands Navy New Combat Support Ship

(Source: GE Power Conversion; issued Sep 07, 2020)

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GE’s Power Conversion business have signed a contract with Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) to deliver an energy management and electric propulsion package intended for the new Combat Support Ship (CSS) in use at Royal Netherlands Navy.

GE’s robust, proven electric propulsion technology was selected for its low noise signature, high level of reliability and commonality with the Joint Support Ship (HNLMS Karel Doorman). One of the customer’s key concerns is underwater radiated noise, meaning strict noise and vibration levels are imposed on the propulsion systems. Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) voltage source inverters feed robust, high-torque density induction motors, allowing high-performance through the modern and optimized propulsion system.

GE’s scope of supply includes the main switchboards for the ship distribution system, with two shore connection cubicles, the main electric propulsion system with two shaft lines of 7.9 MW each, as well as the associated power management and remote-control systems. The ship’s Energy Management System, which controls power generation and distribution systems, also supplied by GE, will ensure availability of electrical power in the ship network.

By utilizing an existing vessel design, that one of the Joint Support Ship (JSS) already in operation with the Royal Netherlands Navy, GE and DSNS will be able to deliver the ship in June 2024. The CSS will be built by Damen in Romania, after which the ship’s combat management system – amongst others – will be installed in Den Helder, Netherlands. The engineering of the vessel will largely take place in the Netherlands, with a large number of systems and components being delivered by Dutch suppliers.

Once built, the CSS vessel will supplement the existing JSS, HNLMS Karel Doorman. The CSS, by its 180-meters almost in length, will accommodate 75-persons basic crew with capacity for an additional 85 persons on-board. The CSS vessel has capacity for two helicopters and up to twenty-five containers, it will be able to support longer maritime operations, both nationally and internationally. This increases the effectiveness of both national and combined operations performed by the Royal Netherlands Navy.

“We are proud to be working with DSNS to deliver this vessel to the Royal Netherlands Navy. GE’s proven technology will enable the smooth, quiet running of this dedicated naval vessel.” said Eric Muller, Regional Marine Leader for GE’s Power Conversion business.

GE’s Power Conversion business applies the science and systems of power conversion to help drive the electric transformation of the world’s energy infrastructure. Designing and delivering advanced motor, drive and control technologies that evolve today’s industrial processes for a cleaner, more productive future, it serves specialized sectors such as energy, marine, industry and all related services.

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Enviado por: LM em Setembro 24, 2020, 12:59:23 pm
Belgian and Dutch Naval Replacement Programmes (http://Belgian and Dutch Naval Replacement Programmes)

Belgium and the Netherlands will replace almost their entire fleets in the next 15 years. This will mean six new ships for the Belgian Navy, and 23 for the Royal Netherlands Navy.

Some of these new ships are being developed jointly by Belgium and the Netherlands, while for some others the Netherlands is seeking cooperation with Germany.

Many vessels in the Belgian and Dutch fleets date back to the eighties and nineties and the Netherlands in particular has long postponed the replacement of many ships. Although Belgium replaced their WIELINGEN class frigates 15 years ago, they did so with Dutch M-frigates from the nineties. Both countries also operate TRIPARTITE minehunters which are over thirty years old.

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This is what the future Belgian-Dutch MCM Motherships will look like. (Photo: Belgium Naval and Robotics)

Because Belgium bought two Dutch M-frigates, both navies are equipped with the same frigates and also the same minehunters. Both navies have been working together since 1948 and have almost merged in recent years. The Belgian frigates are maintained in the Netherlands and the Dutch minehunters in Belgium. The navies share a headquarters in Den Helder (the Netherlands), their operational and logistics schools are binational, and from 2021 both fleets will receive the same uniforms. It is therefore logical that the two countries jointly replace their frigates and minehunters.

Mine Countermeasure Vessels

Already in 2013, Belgium and the Netherlands had plans to jointly replace their TRIPARTITE minehunters. Three years later, the Ministers of Defence of Belgium and the Netherlands signed a Letter of Intent for the joint replacement. It was agreed that the Netherlands would lead in the replacement of the M-frigates, while Belgium would take on the new minehunters. A European tender followed.

The project is now in full swing and the consortium Belgium & Naval Robotics, consisting of the French companies Naval Group and ECA Group, is working hard to deliver the first new mine countermeasures vessel (MCMV) in April 2024 to the Belgian Navy; the Royal Netherlands Navy will follow later. Both navies will receive six ships each.

An important part of the project is the new concept of stand-off mine warfare; the motherships remain outside the mine danger area and MCM tools operate from the mothership to detect, classify and destroy mines from a great distance, often over the horizon.
The future MCMVs are in fact built around the Launch & Recovery System (LARS) mainly intended for unmanned service vehicles (USVs). (Photo: Belgium Naval and Robotics)

While the old TRIPARTITES are made of composite, the future MCMVs will be made of steel.

They are in fact built around the Launch & Recovery System (LARS) that was specially developed for these ships. With a length of 81.4 m and a width of 17 m, the ships have an uncommon length to breadth ratio for warships.

The LARS is mainly intended for unmanned service vehicles (USVs). The 12 m-long INSPECTOR-125 USV can operate with up to six drones in the mine danger area. These drones were developed and built by the ECA Group in Belgium. The drones in question are the T-18M UMISAS towed sonar that is dragged behind the INSPECTOR and thanks to the interferometric synthetic aperture sonar, can transmit high-resolution images to the mothership in real time. The autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) A-18M can independently search the seabed and when a contact is made, the crew in the operations room in the mothership can inspect the mine-like object with the camera of its remotely operated vehicle (ROV), the SEASCAN. Finally, the K-STER C will destroy the object.

To operate drones over the horizon, Saab SKELDAR V-200 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) provide communications between the USV and the mothership. The UAV can of course also be used for other tasks.

The latter also applies to the motherships that can accommodate 63 additional crew, in addition to the 29 permanent ship’s complement. The ships are equipped with various sensors and weapon systems and will also receive a 40 mm gun, which is somewhat unusual for modern-day MCMVs. At the time of writing, it is still not known which gun will be chosen, nor has a final choice been made for radars and electro-optical sensors.
Construction of the first ship will start on 23 February 2021 and the ships will be built in France by Kership and Piriou.

In anticipation of the arrival of these new ships and especially the new toolbox, the Dutch Navy has leased a civilian vessel, the GEOSEA. Dutch and Belgian naval personnel have been working with this ship and with drones from ECA since spring 2020 to become familiar with the new systems and to provide the manufacturer with feedback that can be used for the development of future tools. The project team is also planning to test the LARS with the GEOSEA. Whereas the ships are designed to last at least thirty years, the toolbox will be regularly updated or replaced.

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The 12 m-long INSPECTOR-125 USV can operate with up to six drones in the mine danger area. (Photo: Belgium Naval and Robotics)

M-Frigates

The replacement of the M-frigates started in the Netherlands in 2010 with the first studies carried out. It soon became clear that the Netherlands wanted to replace the frigates in cooperation with other countries. Considering Belgium also operated M-frigates, it was the logical partner, but the Netherlands also looked at the German MKS 180 frigates. However, cooperation in this area came to an end when the German ship became too big and expensive.

Belgium and the Netherlands proceeded with a Dutch design. The replacement project was officially started in the Netherlands in June 2016 and soon thereafter, it became known that Belgium had reserved €1Bn for two new frigates.

Unlike the MCMVs, no European tender was launched for these frigates, but Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) was contracted directly. That did not mean that DSNS designed the ships, because that is still largely done by the Afdeling Maritieme Systemen (Department of Maritime Systems) of the Defensie Materieel Organisatie (DMO).

Since 2013, several designs have been published, sometimes accidentally. Over the years, the size of the ship increased, but the design has eventually decreased. In 2019, design 22D was presented, and according to DMO, it represented the “ideal ship” that met the requirements, but it did not fit the budget. Research was then conducted into an off-the-shelf design of DSNS, but that ship failed to meet the requirements. DMO then removed systems from the design and some requirements were adjusted.

This resulted in DMO design 22D being modified to a 132-m long frigate, displacing 5,500 tonnes. The MK 41 VLS, with 16 cells, is primarily intended for the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile Block 2 (ESSM Bl. 2), but Belgium has previously indicated that it was considering the Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) as well. With such a weapon, Belgium wants to contribute to ballistic missile defence (BMD).

Although missiles like the SM-3 can be fitted in the MK 41 VLS, the frigate is not designed for BMD. The new frigates are in fact designed with anti-submarine warfare in mind. Since they are required to operate far from the task force in search of submarines, they must also be able to defend themselves against missile attack.

They will therefore have the new APAR Block 2 X-band radar, an S-band radar that has been further developed from SMILE and NS100 and a new fire control concept called Above Water Warfare Suite (AWWS), which has been developed by Thales in the Netherlands for several years. MKS 180 will also receive these sensors.

However, the most important sensor for the new frigates is located in the stern area of the ship, namely the low frequency active passive sonar (LFAPS). This is a DMO development in collaboration with the Dutch research institute TNO and the Canadian company, Ultra Electronics Maritime Systems. The frigate can lower the LFAPS into the sea and detect submarines far better than previously the case using a passive towed array or medium-frequency sonar. The current Dutch M-frigates recently sailed with this new sensor.

The Multi Use Accoustic Support Suite (MUASS) will also be introduced on the ships at the end of this year. This software was developed by DMO and the Dutch Navy together with TNO and is based on an existing TNO sonar model. Data and algorithms have been added to this, such as data from the ship, sensors, environmental information and oceanographic models. It resulted in a package that, as sea tests now show, brings major improvements to anti-submarine warfare by ship and submarine.

Although these important elements are already deployed at sea with the current frigates, it will take a while before the new ships can start looking for submarines. The contract for the ships is expected to be signed at the end of 2021 with the four ships for the Netherlands and Belgium are scheduled to be delivered in the period 2027-2030. DMO is investigating whether there is a sufficient budget to build the frigates at the Damen yard in the Netherlands and not, as has been usual practice since 2005, at Damen’s shipyard in Romania.

Combat Support Ship

The first new ship the Dutch Navy will receive is not an MCMV or a frigate, but a tanker. The combat support ship (CSS), the future HNLMS DEN HELDER, will be delivered in 2024.

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The future HNLMS DEN HELDER (Photo: Damen)


In contrast to the other projects, the CSS project started only recently. After the decommissioning of HNLMS ZUIDERKRUIS in 2012 and the sale of HNLMS AMSTERDAM in 2014, the Dutch Navy lacked a tanker until the arrival of HNLMS KAREL DOORMAN.

However, because it was decided not to replace the AMSTERDAM, the KAREL DOORMAN became the only tanker in Dutch service, even though it is a joint support ship (JSS) and replenishing at sea is only one of the tasks of this multifunctional ship.

It was no surprise that when HNLMS KAREL DOORMAN was commissioned, the Chief of the Royal Netherlands Navy said that he needed another replenishment ship. When in late 2016, budget funds became available for ‘combat support’ for all defence services, the Navy managed to squeeze a ‘combat support ship’ into the plans. At the time, it was still intended to be a fairly simple tanker that would be based on a proposal that DSNS had already designed for a tender for a new Norwegian tanker. In addition, elements from the JSS would be used for commonality.

DMO and DSNS worked jointly the design and specifications. However, the requirements changed gradually, especially when it came to the environment, but the requirements for shock, blast and signature reduction were also higher than in the beginning. The design boasted a gun, the advanced Thales NS100 radar and a GOALKEEPER CIWS (which is being replaced). But a budget deficit arose because the estimates of the investment budget were not indexed and the Navy feared that the operating budget of the tanker would be too tight. At that time, DMO realised that the design did not fit the budget.

Ultimately, it was decided to increase the budget and simply adjust the design. The weapon systems and sensors were removed from the design, however, provisions for these systems have been spared.

On 19 February 2020, Damen and DMO signed the contract for the ship. In February 2021, construction of the vessel will begin at Damen Shipyards Galati, in Romania. The CSS will arrive in Den Helder in June 2024, after which the combat management system, sensors and weapon systems will be installed. The CSS is scheduled to be commissioned in 2025.

The new Dutch tanker will measure 178.3 m in length and will have a displacement of 22,585 tonnes. There is room for 160 people in total, including a complement of 75 crewmembers. Weapon systems will initially be limited to machine guns. The propulsion of the CSS is diesel-electric and the DEN HELDER will be the first naval vessel to sail with the new WÄRTSILÄ 31 diesel generator sets. Combined with the shape of the hull and the design of the propeller, the design yields a saving of 6% compared to a comparable ship with engines of a different brand and type.
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Submarines

The replacement of the WALRUS class submarines (1990) is by far the most complex project of all the current Dutch naval projects. As with the frigates and MCMVs, the plans were already clear in 2013, but it is by no means certain whether the first new submarine can be delivered in 2027.

The complexity of the project relates to its international nature and major political interests. The other naval projects have, however, continued to progress without too much political interference. In the submarine project, however, there have always been conflicts of interest between the Ministry of Defence (the best boat), the Ministry of Finance (the cheapest boat or nothing at all), Economic Affairs (a Dutch submarine) and Foreign Affairs (a decision that does not result in an argument with Paris or Berlin). The Submarine Service, in the end, has relatively little to no influence.

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HNLMS KAREL DOORMAN commissioned in 2015 (Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy)

The roots for this can be found back in the eighties and nineties. The WALRUS class were more expensive in the 1980s and were delayed. Despite the fact that the boats were cheaper and have a higher rate of availability than contemporaries of the VICTORIA class (Canada) and COLLINS class (Australia), this is still called the WALRUS affair and politicians still shudder at the thought of the “scandal”. Another reason is that, partly due to political disinterest, the Dutch submarine shipyard RDM ran out of work from the 1990s and went bankrupt a few years later. Without a submarine builder, the Netherlands had to cooperate with foreign shipyards. Furthermore, the Netherlands wants diesel-electric submarines that can operate far from home. Dutch coastal waters are too shallow for safe submarine operations, so these submarines have been active in the Indian Ocean, and from the Norwegian Sea to the Caribbean. The result is a sensitive international process with a large number of committees, councils and resonance groups, and a lot of delay.

Initially, four shipyards participated in the tender. These were Navantia (Spain), Naval Group (France), TKMS (Germany) and Saab (Sweden). Naval Group has recently started Royal IHC as a partner in the Netherlands, and Saab has been working with Damen on the replacement project since 2015.

In December 2019, under political pressure, the MoD decided to continue the next round with three shipyards and start the competitive dialogue with Naval Group, Saab and TKMS.

This led to excessive criticism from experts and from parliament. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Defence wants to continue with this and a final decision will only take place in September.

If the Ministry’s plans go ahead, discussions will be held with the shipyards about the requirements and the design. This normally happens between DMO and DSNS, but DMO now want to talk to the three yards at the same time. None of the shipyards though has a design matching exactly the Dutch requirements. The existing submarines are either too small (Saab Kockums A26 and TKMS Type 212CD) or too large (Naval Group BARRACUDA SSN). Although the yards have already submitted proposals in the various RFIs, DMO has not yet told the yards what the requirements are.

Knock-out criteria will determine which yards will drop out prematurely. The contract must be signed in 2022 with the four new submarines expected to be completed between 2027 and 2031.

Auxiliary Vessels

DMO wants to replace ten smaller ships all at once. In May 2020, DMO sent a letter to the Dutch Parliament regarding the replacement of submarine tender HNLMS MERCUUR (1987), diver training vessel SOEMBA (1989), four diver support vessels CERBERUS class (1992), training vessel VAN KINSBERGEN (1999), two hydrographic survey vessels SNELLIUS class (2003) and the Caribbean support vessel HNLMS PELIKAAN (2006).

Although the ships are all different and the replacements will not be identical, according to DMO the ships have many similarities and the DMO therefore wants to tender the ships simultaneously. It is still being decided whether this is to be done by a contract directly awarded or by a (European) tender. What the final path looks like will be announced at the end of 2021/ beginning of 2022. The first ship will have to be replaced around 2024.

Air Warfare and Command Frigates

The Air Warfare and Command frigates (LCFs) entered service in the period 2001-2005. The ships are currently being modernised with AESA radars for, inter alia, ballistic missile defence (BMD), the Thales SMART-L MM / N. In the near future, the frigates will also receive Leonardo’s VULCANO 127/64 LW naval gun. These new guns will replace the antiquated 127 mm OtoBreda guns, which were bought second hand from the Royal Canadian Navy.

The LCF replacement project was expected to start in 2021, but in 2019 a decision was taken to postpone the timeline by five years because funds were needed to improve buildings instead and because the rising costs for the F-35 had to be covered.

The German plans to replace the F124 frigates might also have been a factor. Because Damen will collaborate with the German shipyards Blohm + Voss, Lürssen and German Naval Yards for the construction of the German MKS 180 frigates, there are talks between the Dutch and German MoDs to replace the LCFs and F124s together. Both ships, incidentally, arose from the failed NATO Frigate for the Nineties (NFR90) and both countries collaborated in the field of sensors and weapons systems. However, the Dutch director of DMO, Arie Jan de Waard said that the Netherlands currently had no plans to build identical ships with Germany. He is currently focused mostly on the subsystems.

Landing Platform Dock

The Royal Netherlands Navy operates two landing platform docks (LPD): HNLMS
ROTTERDAM (1998) and HNLMS JOHAN DE WITT (2007). The ROTTERDAM has been on the list of ships to be replaced for some time, but in 2013, it was announced that the replacement vessel had been postponed.

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HNLMS ROTTERDAM has been on the list of ships to be replaced for some time, but in 2013 it was announced that the replacement programme had been postponed. (Photo: Damen Shipyards)

Incidentally, the ROTTERDAM was modernised in 2019 and equipped with, among other things, the new Thales NS100 radar, a combined operations room and an amphibious warfare centre. The JOHAN DE WITT will also receive a midlife upgrade shortly.

In June 2020, the Dutch MoD announced that it planned to collaborate with Germany on new amphibious vessels. While the German Navy does not possess these vessels, its own Seebataillon (an integral part of the Dutch Marine Corps since 2016) does engage in the amphibious domain.
Replacement, no Enlargement

Not all plans are set in stone – some are no more than sketches and the future has now become more uncertain due to the Coronavirus pandemic. The high costs that Belgium and the Netherlands, like many other countries, will have as a result of this crisis, mean it is highly likely that projects will experience difficulties in the coming years, although there are no plans for budget cuts so far.

In both countries, there is also much political uncertainty. Belgium still has no government and there will be elections in the Netherlands in March 2021. For decades there have been budget cuts imposed on both navies and especially in the Netherlands, this has led to a large backlog with many relatively old ships still serving in the fleet. The backlog is now being addressed, but the Navy remains very vulnerable. Also, both the Belgian and Dutch Navies, with two and six frigates respectively, are small. However, all efforts are now focused on replacement, as enlargement seems to have been ruled out this decade.
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Enviado por: tenente em Setembro 29, 2020, 04:10:51 pm
124 New Tracked Vehicles for the Dutch Marines

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The Bandvagn 206 articulated tracked armored vehicles in service with the Dutch military will be replaced from 2024 by a new vehicle being jointly developed for Germany, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and Sweden. (Dutch MoD photo)

The Netherlands Marine Corps (Korps Mariniers) will have 124 new tracked vehicles available from 2024. They will replace some of the obsolete Bandvagn 206 and Viking vehicles, State Secretary Barbara Visser reported this to the Lower House yesterday (Sept. 24).

The vehicles to be replaced are now in use by the Marine Corps. The future vehicles are to be lightly armored and must be deployable in extreme conditions, such as in the snow and difficult terrain. They must have at least as much terrain mobility as the current vehicles.

The Netherlands is cooperating with Germany, the United Kingdom and Sweden on their acquisition, as agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding on Multinational Cooperation on All Terrain Vehicles concluded last year. These countries also want to replace the BV-206 in roughly the same period as the Netherlands. Sweden is coordinating this project.

First delivery in 2024

The intention is that the first vehicles will arrive in 2024 and the last in 2027. Once deliveries are completed, Defense will have more tracked vehicles in total than now. This larger number is based on the deployability objectives according to the Defense Note and the desired capabilities of NATO. The arrival of tracked vehicles is therefore a new step towards further modernization.

124 units are being purchased, involving an amount of 100 to 250 million euros. This falls within the investment budget of Defense. In addition, an option is included in the contract for additional vehicles. In that case, the costs will exceed 250 million euros. If that option is selected, the House will be informed additionally.

Separate project

In addition, there are plans to replace the remaining BV-206 and Viking vehicles. This should be done with smaller All Terrain patrol vehicles. A separate project will be set up for this, about which the House will be informed next year.

The Bandvagn 206 entered service with the Ministry of Defense in the 1980s. Initially it concerned 156 vehicles, of which 127 have been modernized over the years so that they can be used at least until this year. The Viking Bandvagn S10 was previously purchased as a replacement for the unarmored BV-206 D6.

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Victor Barreira / Defence 360° (@Defence360) tweetou: On September 17, 🇳🇱 @damen delivered the Zr. Ms. Pelikaan logistics support ship to the 🇳🇱 @kon_marine following a mid-life upgrade lasting eight months. Following the work, the vessel, which @damen delivered to the @kon_marine in 2006, is ready for a further 15 years’ service.

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Saab and Dutch shipbuilder Damen join forces to develop new submarine for Dutch Navy

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Technical review about the A26 Blekinge-class submarine. (Picture source H I Sutton)

According to a video published on October 20, 2020, Saab and Dutch shipbuilder Damen have joined forces to develop an expeditionary submarine for the Netherland´s Walrus Replacement Program. In 2018, the two companies announced their partnership to develop an expeditionary submarine for the Netherlands Walrus Replacement Program (WRES). The Walrus is a submarine in service with the Dutch Navy.

For Walrus Replacement Program, Swedish company SAAB and Damen from Netherland offer its Expeditionary Submarine which is based on the capabilities of the Swedish A26 also known as Blekinge-class and puts into practice the experience of the Swedish designed Collins-class submarine in-service with the Australian Navy.

In addition, the Walrus replacement will also benefit from the operational lessons reflected in the Swedish Navy’s Gotland Mid Life Upgrade. As a result, the Expeditionary Submarine will be equipped with state of the art technology whilst benefiting from de-risking on three submarine classes. Saab and Damen are thereby creating one of the most modern Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) submarines in the world, which if selected, will be done in consultation with the customer using a ‘design to cost’ approach.

The production process will see sections made in Sweden and then assembled at Vlissingen in the Netherlands. Having secured the cooperation of many Dutch companies, Saab and Damen are set to enhance the domestic submarine competence.

The A26 submarine, also known as the Blekinge class submarine, currently in production at the shipyard in Karlskrona. Two submarines are to be built for the Swedish Navy, with the first submarine being delivered in 2022. They will be a further development of the Gotland class.

The A26 is a next-generation submarine with the ability to perform in all oceans and across a broad spectrum of conflict environments. Along with its traditional load of mines and torpedoes, the submarine can be equipped with missiles. But the really major innovation is the large horizontal tube, the Multi Mission Portal, with its ability to launch and retrieve both manned and unmanned underwater vehicles.

The A26 will also be a crucial intelligence gathering platform in the defense network. The submarines are powered by conventional diesel engines and the Kockums Stirling AIP (air-independent propulsion) system. The Stirling system enhances the submarine’s stealth characteristics and makes it difficult to detect.

The new A26 submarine would have blue water capability, something earlier Swedish submarines have lacked. It will be equipped with modified AIP stirling propulsion and GHOST (Genuine HOlistic STealth) technology, making the submarine extremely quiet. It will also be designed to withstand significant shock loads from underwater explosions and would be able to "Launch and recover vehicles" through its torpedo tubes. It would displace 1,900 tonnes and have a crew complement of between 17 and 31 men. The A26 submarine could be fitted with 533mm or 400mm torpedo tubes.

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Uma sem mastro oco

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Damen Cuts First Steel on Royal Netherlands Navy’s Combat Support Ship

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On December 2nd at Damen Shipyards Galati, Romania, first steel was cut on the Royal Netherlands Navy’s (RNLN) Combat Support Ship (CSS) Den Helder. The cutting is the first of sixteen batches, totaling 7500 tonnes of steel in 180 sections.
This marks an important milestone in this project, the first tangible part of the construction.

The steel cutting was supposed to take place in February next year. DSNS has brought the date forward in order to safeguard the project’s progress during the continuing coronavirus pandemic and to effectively manage the enhanced security rules that alter the way of working for the shipyard.

With construction of the CSS, the maritime supply capacity of the RNLN will be restored. The vessel will operate alongside the Joint Support Ship (JSS) HNLMS Karel Doorman and is based on the same design. The vessel can operate worldwide and under high threat, protected by frigates. Additionally, she can be used in the fight against drug trafficking, controlling refugee flows and providing emergency aid.

Engineering of the vessel is taking place mostly in the Netherlands and the project will provide work for over 100, mainly Dutch, companies. To date, 47 contracts have been signed for the CSS, out of which 34 with Dutch maritime suppliers.
The next milestone will be in May next year, when the keel-laying ceremony will take place.

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Germany and the Netherlands Joining Forces for F-124 LCF Frigate Replacement


F124 frigate (left) and LCF (right). The replacement for both classes is set to be a unique Frigate class.

Germany And The Netherlands Joining Forces For F-124 / LCF Frigate Replacement

Germany and the Netherlands have signed an agreement yesterday to work jointly on a next generation frigate which will replace the German Navy Sachsen-class (F124) and the Royal Netherlands Navy De Zeven Provinciën-class (LCF) frigates.

Xavier Vavasseur 18 Dec 2020

Dutch State Secretary Barbara Visser and her German counterpart Benedikt Zimmer signed the agreement via visio conference.

“Both countries will collaborate in the field of research and development and acquisition, among other things. The countries are working on equal operational requirements”.
Dutch MoD

Barbara Visser added that “It is also the intention that the industries of our countries will benefit optimally from this.”

For the record, the ties between the Dutch and German naval defense industry are already strong, with Damen and Thales NL taking a key role for the F126/MKS180 frigate program. F126 is a future large (Length: approximately 155 meters at waterline, Displacement: maximum 9,000 tonnes) surface combatant of the German Navy (Deutsche Marine).

Meanwhile, Damen is also fully involved in the M-frigates (Karel Doorman-class) replacement program for both the Royal Netherlands Navy (Koninklijke Marine) and Belgian Navy (Marinecomponent/Composante marine).

About Sachsen-class / F124 frigates

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German Navy’s Hamburg air defense frigate (Credit : Bundeswehr)

The German Navy has a total of three Sachsen-class F124 frigates. They are designed as multi-purpose vessels for escort, protection and maritime control. Its focus is on air defense: With its SMART-L radar, a single vessel class can, for example, monitor the airspace over the entire North Sea. The radar of the Sachsen-class is able to detect more than 1,000 targets at the same time.

Sachsen-class frigates are fitted with 32x Mk41 VLS for SM-2 and ESSM missiles and two RAM launchers. The can also deploy Harpoon anti-ship missiles and torpedoes.

General characteristics

143.0 m in length
17.4 m wide
6.0 m draft
5,800 t displacement
Crew complement: 230 sailors + 13 aircrew

About De Zeven Provinciën-class / LCF Frigates


The first-in-class frigate ‘Zr.Ms. De Zeven Provinciën’ back at sea off Den Helder naval base in early June 2020. Royal Netherlands Navy picture.

The Royal Netherlands Navy has 4 air defense and command frigates (LCF) of the De Zeven Provinciën-class. The ships can protect a complete fleet from enemy threats from the sea and from the air (aircraft and missiles). Specialized in anti-aircraft warfare (AAW) vessel, LCF vessels are fitted with 40x Mk41 Vertical Launch Systems which are used to house and launch Evolved Sea Sparrow (ESSM) and SM-2 Block IIIA missiles.

In addition, the ships are equipped to allow the deployable and operational command staff of the Royal Netherlands Navy, the Netherlands Maritime Force (NLMARFOR), to control large-scale (maritime) operations.

The first-in-class ship received her SMART-L Multi Mission radar upgrade from Thales in March 2019. All four ships of the class will be upgraded with the new radar (and other systems) as part of a modernization programme. This new radar is capable of BMD mission (surveillance and tracking of ballistic missiles) up to 2000 km while simultaneous maintaining the air defence capability. The Dutch Defence Material Organisation (DMO) announced in April 2020 that it has selected Italian company Leonardo to supply new 127mm naval gun systems.

LCF Specifications

displacement: 6,050 tons
length: 144 meters
width: 17 meters
draft: 7 meters
speed: 30 knots

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Latest concept artist impression of Belgian, Dutch Navies future frigate (Credit: Dutch MoD)

M-Frigates Replacement To Be Known As ASWF – Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate

The Dutch and Belgian Ministries of Defense announced today that the M-frigate replacement will be called: Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate (ASWF).

Xavier Vavasseur  13 Jan 2021

The ship class will consist of two ASWF for the Belgian Navy (Marinecomponent/Composante marine) and two ASWF for the Royal Netherlands Navy (Koninklijke Marine). The future frigates’ main task will be anti-submarine warfare (ASW). The frigates will be equipped to cope with future threat environments. So-called information warfare will play a prominent role in this. It will include of cyber warfare and intelligence.

The names of the four ships are not yet known. The future frigates will be replacing HNLMS Van Amstel and HNLMS Van Speijk in the RNLN and Leopold I and the Louise-Marie in the Belgian Navy.

The new ships will benefit from the latest technologies in the field of ASW, and a robust self-defense against overwater threats. There is also extensive automation to enable operations with a limited basic crew. Discussions on the specifications of the systems that Dutch shipbuilder Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding and Defense electronics company Thales will supply are in full swing.

In 2018, the A letter with the requirements statement went to the Dutch House of Representatives. The B letter on the study phase was delivered in 2020. Meanwhile, there is formal permission to proceed with the acquisition preparation (the D phase). The Netherlands, in close consultation with Belgium, is in charge of the replacement process. The Dutch Defence Materiel Organization (DMO) is realizing the acquisition with the Royal Netherlands Navy, Belgian Navy and Belgian Direction Générale Material Resources (DGMR). By 2030, the 4 ASW frigates should be delivered to both navies.

About ASWF – Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate

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Dutch MoD image showing the early design of the future frigate.

The Future Surface Combatant is a project of the Royal Netherlands Navy and Belgian Navy to replace the ageing Multipurpose- or M-frigates (Karel Doorman-class). The future frigates will be replacing HNLMS Van Amstel and HNLMS Van Speijk in the Dutch Navy and Leopold I and the Louise-Marie in the Belgian Navy.

The Dutch MoD started design studies for the M-frigates replacement in 2013. The new frigates are set to fulfill a general purpose role with ASW as its specialty. However, given the limited number of frigates in the Royal Netherlands Navy (six) and Belgian (two) fleets, the Future Surface Combatant are required to excel in all area (air defense, anti surface warfare…). While the Belgian Navy is in charge of the MCM replacement program for both navies, likewise the Dutch Navy is in charge of the M-Frigates replacement program for both the Netherlands and Belgium.

M-Frigate Replacement Specifications
Displacement: Approx. 6.000 tonnes
Length: 146 meters
Speed: +30
Complement: 120
ASWF Weapon systems

The future frigate will receive RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) Block 2 anti-aircraft missiles and a successor of the Goalkeeper close-in weapon system. These new weapon systems are complemented by heavy-duty remotely operated machine guns (RWS) and light machine guns for use against small surface threats. To combat larger surface targets, the Dutch Ministry of Defense is purchasing a successor to the Harpoon anti-ship missile.

The main submarine weapon system is a new torpedo purchased through the “Replacement Mk46 Lightweight Torpedo” project. For defending against enemy torpedoes, the frigates will be fitted with a system capable of deceiving enemy torpedoes. In the future, a so-called hardkill system, an « anti-torpedo system », is yet to be developed. The frigate has room for a 110-strong crew, but 40 extra beds and various rooms are available for mission-specific personnel and their equipment.

AWWS by Thales

The future frigate will be fitted with the new Above Water Warfare System (AWWS) suite by Thales. will consist of a new generation of sensors, coupled with intelligent software that continuously calculates which actions are best suited to tackle each threat detected by radar and other sensors in the right manner. This maximizes the chance of survival, while the crew stays in control.

This system uses the latest sensor technology from Thales to detect and monitor all above-water threats, including the next-generation, fully digital dual-band X/S radar suite: an integral combination of Active Phased Array Radar (APAR) and Sea Master 400 radar technologies.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/01/m-frigates-replacement-to-be-known-as-aswf-anti-submarine-warfare-frigate/
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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 09, 2021, 09:56:21 am
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This is what the Future Belgian & Dutch MCM Motherships will Look Like. The vessel is 81.4 meters in length with a beam of 17 meters.

Belgian-Dutch RMCM Program Achieved Preliminary Design Review


On 18 December 2020, the Belgium Naval & Robotics teams reached a new contract milestone, the programme is still on track. This programme will supply the Belgian and Dutch navies with twelve minehunters equipped with unmanned systems (toolboxes).

Naval News Staff  08 Feb 2021

Belgium Naval & Robotics press release

This milestone also marks the programme’s gradual transition towards the Kership teams. Naval Group is in charge of the preliminary design of the ships and works closely together with Kership. They will start on the detailed design of the ships as of February 2021, followed by their construction.

“Achieving the Preliminary Design Review confirms that the overall design meets all the client’s contractual requirements. Nearly 200 staff members, employed at the Naval Group sites in Lorient, Ollioules, Nantes-Indret, Angoulême-Ruelle and Paris, have been working hard for months to be able to come up with more than 80 deliverables by mid-November defining the ship and all its systems.”


Eric Perrot, Naval Group programme director.

The construction of the first ship will start in the summer of 2021 and the delivery is planned for 2024.

For the unmanned systems, the completion of this milestone was formalized by the delivery and acceptance of the documentation defining operational use concepts, functional and technical architectures as well as preliminary safety studies of each system (surface drone USV INSPECTOR 125, underwater drone AUV A18-M, towed sonar T18-M, inspection and neutralization drones SEASCAN MK2 and K-STER, aerial drone UAV, the sweep system and containers).

“In the midst of the health crisis, more than 100 ECA GROUP employees have contributed to the completion of this important milestone in 2020. We remain fully committed to our customer to reach the following milestones and to start the production of the prototypes in 2021,”



Jean-Louis Sambarino, ECA GROUP programme director.

This milestone proves once again the resilience of the Naval Group and ECA GROUP teams. Despite the complex sanitary conditions imposed on the Belgian-Dutch programme just eighteen months after its launch, everything is well on schedule.

“Thanks to their diligence and expertise, Belgium Naval & Robotics managed to deliver all the documents of the Preliminary Design Review on time. The adjustments made by BNR as a result of our in-depth analysis, numerous comments and questions, have been swift and constructive. My binational project team and I are confident and look forward to the Critical Design Reviews.”,



Captain Claude Bultot, rMCM programme director for the Belgian navy.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/02/belgian-dutch-rmcm-program-achieved-preliminary-design-review/
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: NVF em Fevereiro 10, 2021, 11:29:16 pm
O que vale é que o pessoal é imune à guerra de minas e não precisa destas merdas. Imaginem que só tínhamos uma base naval, localizada no estuário de um rio e susceptível de ser minada por um potencial IN? Ufa!
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 10, 2021, 11:42:25 pm
O que está a dar é o combate ao KonaViruz efectuado por militares nos inquéritos.

Anteontem fui contactado por um que me perguntou se eu sabia que a minha tinha o dito virus.
Respondi-lhe que sim e questionou-me se a srª estava em casa e eu respondi-lhe que não que estava na casa de repouso......
Ontem fui contactado por uma srª que me perguntou onde estava a minha Mãe pois o camarada da FAP que me tinha contactado esqueceu-se de registar a morada que eu tinha dado ! :bang:

Conclusão: foi necessário dois operadores de inquérito para fazerem o trabalho que deveria ter sido feito no primeiro contacto, foi gasto só o dobro do tempo, que poderia, deveria ter sido gasto a contactar outra pessoa !
É para isto que os elementos das FFAA são utilizados na luta contra o KonaViruz ???
Sem comentários.

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 11, 2021, 12:22:51 am
O que vale é que o pessoal é imune à guerra de minas e não precisa destas merdas. Imaginem que só tínhamos uma base naval, localizada no estuário de um rio e susceptível de ser minada por um potencial IN? Ufa!

Sem dúvida !!!!
Título: Re: Marinha da Holanda
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Fevereiro 11, 2021, 10:21:55 am
O que está a dar é o combate ao KonaViruz efectuado por militares nos inquéritos.

Anteontem fui contactado por um que me perguntou se eu sabia que a minha tinha o dito virus.
Respondi-lhe que sim e questionou-me se a srª estava em casa e eu respondi-lhe que não que estava na casa de repouso......
Ontem fui contactado por uma srª que me perguntou onde estava a minha Mãe pois o camarada da FAP que me tinha contactado esqueceu-se de registar a morada que eu tinha dado ! :bang:

Conclusão: foi necessário dois operadores de inquérito para fazerem o trabalho que deveria ter sido feito no primeiro contacto, foi gasto só o dobro do tempo, que poderia, deveria ter sido gasto a contactar outra pessoa !
É para isto que os elementos das FFAA são utilizados na luta contra o KonaViruz ???
Sem comentários.

Abraços

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