Enviado por: JLRC em Maio 24, 2005, 04:57:04 pm
(Source: Radio Netherlands; published May 23, 2005)
Defence Minister Henk Kamp wants the navy to get rid of a number of large frigates.
The ships will be replaced by smaller vessels which can be used to patrol the coast.
The defence minister's plans are in line with the wishes of parliament.
The new strategy represents a shift of emphasis away from sea power and towards providing support for operations on land.
The minister is due to inform MPs about the changes to the navy today.
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Enviado por: JLRC em Setembro 13, 2005, 11:23:16 pm
(Source: BAE Systems; issued Sept. 13, 2005)
BAE Systems recent £43 million contract with the Netherlands Defence Materiel Organisation for 74 BvS10 all terrain vehicles underlines the capability the vehicle offers to customers worldwide.
Designed to operate in conditions ranging from the heat and humidity of the jungle to dry desert and the frozen Arctic, BvS10 is a fully amphibious, armoured, all terrain vehicle consisting of two tracked units linked by a steering system.
The decision to acquire BvS10 for the Royal Netherlands Marines in four variants (troop carrier, command, repair & recovery, and ambulance) will greatly enhance the regiment’s rapid deployment capability. Fitted with a more powerful engine and having greater load carrying capability and increased armour protection it will supplement earlier Bv206 vehicles currently in service. Deliveries of BvS10 to the Netherlands will commence in January next year with final deliveries in Spring 2007.
The BvS10 is the latest generation of the Land Systems Hägglunds All Terrain Vehicle family, and is based on more than 25 years experience of articulated all terrain vehicle design and production.
The BvS10 is currently in operation as ‘Viking’ with the British Royal Marines, the first armoured vehicle to be used by the regiment in over 50 years, and is under trial and evaluation in France and Finland.
Ideally suited to emergency and peace-keeping operations, BvS10 is easily transportable, Viking can be moved to the area of operations by C-130 Hercules aircraft, underslung and airlifted by Chinook sized helicopters or quickly split into sections and carried by smaller helicopter types.
BAE Systems has major operations across five continents and customers in some 130 countries. The Company employs over 90,000 people and generates annual sales of approximately £14.8 billion through its wholly owned and joint-venture operations.
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Enviado por: JLRC em Outubro 14, 2005, 11:37:58 pm
(Source: Radio Netherlands; issued Oct. 13, 2005)
Dutch Defence Minister Henk Kamp has reportedly decided to purchase Tomahawk cruise missiles for the Dutch navy. The minister will ask the cabinet to make a decision on the issue on Friday.
The Dutch parliament had previously voted against the acquisition of cruise missiles.
The missiles, which have conventional warheads, could be installed on four modern LCF frigates.
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Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 10:58:42 am
se achar que precisa de mais informacao entao aqui vai o site da marinha da holanda:
http://www.koninglijkemarine.nl
Enviado por: JLRC em Outubro 28, 2005, 02:04:35 pm
Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 04:56:19 pm
Enviado por: pedro em Outubro 28, 2005, 10:13:14 pm
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Enviado por: JLRC em Janeiro 07, 2006, 06:17:41 pm
(Source: Radio Netherlands; issued Nov. 26, 2004)
AMSTERDAM --- While the Dutch government remains committed to a broad package of extensive spending cuts, Defence Minister Henk Kamp wants the country to beef up its military capability by buying Tomahawk cruise missiles.
It's a controversial wish on his part at a time when most people in the country are feeling the effect of government cutbacks. On Thursday, parliament in The Hague blocked the plans, with only Mr Kamp's liberal-conservative VVD actually backing his proposal. The left-wing opposition is opposed, and even the VVD's main coalition partner, the Christian Democrats, wants to wait and not take a final decision until 2006.
Harry van Bommel, a member of the Dutch Socialist Party, says it's wrong for the minister to try and buy new weapons at a time of cutbacks:
"This government has a policy of cuts in all sectors of the welfare state. We have three million people now not having dental care any more because it's out of the national health service [É] everybody has been facing cuts. At the same time, our defence minister is suggesting that we should buy a new weapon system worth over 100 million euros. I think it is very inappropriate at this moment in time to have this discussion."
However, retired Major General Frank van Kappen of the Dutch marine corps says the minister is pushing for the acquisition of cruise missiles because of the radical changes taking place in the nature of modern military operations:
"The situation has changed in the world, and what he is trying to do is tailor the Netherlands' defence forces for the new operational environment. He believes that the Netherlands should be able to participate in combined operations over the full spectrum of violence."
If the green light for the new military hardware is ever forthcoming, the missiles will be deployed with the Dutch navy. Mr van Kappen explains that this is because this branch of the armed forces needs to shift its focus to be able to go on cooperating fully with the navies of allied nations:
"Traditionally the Netherlands navy has been focussed on anti-submarine warfare in the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, and land-attack capability in the Netherlands navy is virtually non-existent. In the new operational environment, the role of the Netherlands navy will be defined by how well they can contribute to a joint and combined operation that eventually focuses on land. The Tomahawk cruise missiles provide that land-attack capability, and they're relatively cheap."
But Socialist parliamentarian Harry van Bommel sees things differently. He believes Minister Kamp's plan to acquire the cruise missiles has more to do with pushing the Netherlands forward as a more significant player in international crisis situations:
"I think he wants to use Tomahawk cruise missiles because he wants the Netherlands to play a more important role if it comes to an international crisis. The cruise missiles are going to promote this because they are to be used at an earlier stage of war or any conflict. And he has even said that, in some cases, that might even be without UN authorisation, and that's why we are so very much opposed to the Netherlands buying cruise missiles."
As Mr van Bommel sees it, once the country has such missiles it could, when a crisis arises, be put under a lot of pressure to actually use them:"The Dutch army would be asked by NATO or by an ally to step into a war at an earlier stage. We would be pressed to do so because we then have the possession of these cruise missiles, we also have frigates that have to be used to fire these missiles."
The Netherlands has already committed itself to participation in the United States Joint-Strike Fighter project, and Harry van Bommel believes that buying the Tomahawks as well would push the country even more under the umbrella of US foreign policy, further away from a joint European approach, and limit The Hague's ability to chart its own independent course:
"It also links us more closely to the United States' foreign policy, because US satellites will be used to fire their missiles [É] By buying the Joint Strike Fighter, by buying cruise missiles; we are hooking up to American foreign policy stronger than we ever did. Therefore, it will be in future virtually impossible to define our own course of action in foreign policy; we will follow the Americans more often and at an earlier stage of conflicts. We as the Socialist Party in the Netherlands have no intention to do that."
In Mr van Bommel's view, the defence minister's plan has a lot to do with the government's support for last year's war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and a related desire to take active part if such a conflict arises in the future:
"The Dutch gave political support to the invasion of Iraq, not militarily. But that was only because there was a formation of a new government going on. Now, buying these cruise missiles would enable us to take part really in the first stages of a war, and therefore the support is coming from those parties who originally said that we should have taken part [in Iraq] in a military way as well."
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Enviado por: P44 em Maio 28, 2008, 09:19:41 pm
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Enviado por: Johnny em Maio 28, 2008, 09:54:20 pm
Outro LPD para a Holanda???.... Não acham que 3 navios logísticos para um país como a Holanda é demasiado?
Enviado por: pedro em Maio 28, 2008, 10:38:20 pm
Eu nao creio noutro LPD para a Holanda.
Eu ainda na segunda-feira tive um debate com o ministro Andre rouvoet do ministerio de juventude e Familia e uma das perguntas do debate foi passo a citar""Voce deveria cortar na defesa e investir em desporto para a juventude e nao so.."" a resposta do ministro foi ""se vou falar com o middelkoop nao creio que ele fique muito contente com a ideia.."" :wink:
Cumprimentos
Enviado por: ShadIntel em Maio 28, 2008, 11:45:20 pm
Citação de: "Johnny"
O quê????? :? Com certeza para reduzir os custos, porque o JSS canadiano, por exemplo, tem quanto a mim mais cara de... JSS.Citação de: "pedro"E para alem do mais o ministerio da defesa Holandes esta a receber creio que é 5.3% do pib holandes
As despesas de defesa da Holanda situam-se em mais ou menos 1,6 % do PIB (~2,7 % do orçamento do estado se não estou enganado). Creio que não há um único país, fora África e Médio Oriente, com despesas de defesa acima dos 5% do PIB.
Enviado por: JLRC em Maio 28, 2008, 11:46:13 pm
Citação de: "Johnny"
O quê?????
O JSS não é um LPD mas sim um reabastecedor de esquadra polivalente. O desenho é que deriva dos Enforcer. JSS significa Joint Support Ship. Os canadianos também vão pelo mesmo caminho com 3 navios projectados.
Enviado por: P44 em Maio 29, 2008, 11:02:08 am
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New Netherlands JSS
Dutch Plan for Their Largest Naval Ship Ever
Posted by Joris Janssen Lok at 1/15/2008 6:16 AM
The backbone of a modern, 21st-century navy isn't its surface combatants or submarines. It is the large amphibious and/or logistic support ships it can deploy to trouble spots around the world, carrying helicopters, hospital facilities, an embarked landing force, supplies, fuel and a suite of C4I facilities. The Netherlands is planning to build its largest ship ever to be able to do just that.
The new ship is designated the Joint Support Ship (JSS) and will have a displacement of 26,000 tons -- making it a tight fit to squeeze into Den Helder Naval Base.
The JSS is to be ready by 2014 and design of the ship (by the Defense Materiel Organization DMO in close conjunction with TNO Defence & Security, Schelde Naval Shipbuilding, Imtech, Thales, and other industry partners) is starting for real now that the program to build four new Patrol Ships has moved into the production phase.
The plan to build a JSS was first published in the 2005 Naval Study. The ship is to replace the fleet replenishment oiler HrMs Zuiderkruis. The JSS will have a large flight deck capable of supporting Boeing CH-47F Chinook helicopters.
It will also be able to replenish other naval ships at sea, provide strategic sealift of strategic military equipment, and act as a seabase during crisis response operations worldwide.
The JSS will join two Landing Platform Dock (LPD)-type ships that entered service with the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) in 1998 and 2007, respectively (see the Jan/Feb issue of Defense Technology International (DTI) for more detail about these).
Like these LPDs, the JSS will be based on Schelde's Enforcer family of large support ship designs (this was also used as the design for Britain's four new Bay-class amphibious support ships).
Although senior sources in the RNLN so far have not been willing to confirm this, a logical step would be to try and get approval for a second JSS to replace the other fleet replenishment oiler in the Dutch fleet, HrMs Amsterdam, toward the end of the coming decade.
After all, one JSS equals no JSS if the ship happens to be in dock for a major refit at the time a sudden crisis erupts.
With a ship like the JSS, the Netherlands will be able to sea-base a significant aviation, logistic, C4I, disaster relief and humanitarian aid capability right offshore a crisis area struck by a natural or man-made disaster, a civil war or other major disruption.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpo ... stcount=16 (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1204894&postcount=16)
para o Canadá:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Support_Ship_Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Support_Ship_Project)
Enviado por: AMRAAM em Maio 29, 2008, 12:41:06 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koninklijke_Marine
Enviado por: pedro em Maio 29, 2008, 06:11:40 pm
Cumprimentos
Enviado por: ShadIntel em Maio 29, 2008, 07:50:11 pm
Citação de: "pedro"
Entao é o meu livro de economia que esta errado. :wink:
Se quiser verificar por si próprio, aqui está o link para a página do orçamento de estado no site do Ministerie Van Financiën:
http://www.minfin.nl/nl/onderwerpen,beg ... _2006.html (http://www.minfin.nl/nl/onderwerpen,begroting/inkomsten_x_uitgaven/uitgaven_van_het_rijk_2006.html)
Está tudo no final da página. Basta fazer um cálculo simples. Pode haver alguma variação em relação aos anos anteriores, mas de qualquer forma nunca mais de 0.2 a 0.3 pontos percentuais. Alias, não me lembro que as despesas de defesa da Holanda já tenham representado mais de 5% do PIB; talvez durante a guerra fria...
Cumprimentos.
Enviado por: pedro em Maio 29, 2008, 09:39:47 pm
Cumprimentos
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 09, 2008, 08:31:31 am
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parece que se vai chamar "Karel Doorman"
Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 09, 2008, 04:06:43 pm
A minha pergunta é:
Está previsto equipar a Marinha Holandesa com helicopteros de transporte para operar a partir dos LPD ou usam os helicopteros da Força Aérea, Chinooks e Cougars?
Enviado por: typhonman em Julho 09, 2008, 07:11:13 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Pelo que sei a Marinha Holandesa possui 2 LPDs, mas a Aviação Naval apenas conta com Lynxs.
A minha pergunta é:
Está previsto equipar a Marinha Holandesa com helicopteros de transporte para operar a partir dos LPD ou usam os helicopteros da Força Aérea, Chinooks e Cougars?
Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 10, 2008, 08:29:53 am
Citação de: "Lightning"
Pelo que sei a Marinha Holandesa possui 2 LPDs, mas a Aviação Naval apenas conta com Lynxs.
já estão a começar a operar o NH-90, no tópico destes postei recentemente fotos de um NH-90 da RNLMS
As LCF já estão a receber o NH-90 e ambas as M que permanecem ao serviço da Holanda serão tb modificadas.
Este JSS destina-se a substituir o AOR SuidKreuz
Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 10, 2008, 12:20:12 pm
Citação de: "Typhonman"
Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.
E cabem nos hangars dos LPDs? Dobram as pás e a cauda (no caso do Cougar)?
Pergunto porque nunca vi imagens disso..
Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 10, 2008, 03:25:00 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Citação de: "Typhonman"Vão usar os Helis Chinook e Cougars.
E cabem nos hangars dos LPDs? Dobram as pás e a cauda (no caso do Cougar)?
Pergunto porque nunca vi imagens disso..
En el caso de los cougar aunque no estoy seguro,creo que si pueden transportarlos.En el caso de los Chinook,con total seguridad que no pueden transportarlos.De hecho si miramos por ejemplo la web de la armada española y echamos un vistazo a los lpd Galicia y Castilla(Son buques similares a los holandeses,ya que el diseño original fue producido conjuntamente entre la empresa holandesa Royal Schelde Company y la española,por entonces Bazan,actualmente Navantia) vemos que pueden trasportar como maximo 6 helicopteros ab-212 ó 4 SH-3.
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/buques_superficie/03_Buques_anfibios
En el caso holandes,si nos fijamos,por ejemplo en la web Naval Technology,obtenemos que pueden trasnsportar o 4 helicopteros EH-101 ó 6 helicopteros nh-90.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/rotterdam/
Para finalizar os dejo una recreacion virtual del hangar de los LPD clase Galicia de la armada española,para que os podais hacer una idea,del tamaño del mismo..Espero que os sea de ayuda...
LINK:(Pinchad sobre el punto 5 donde pone HANGAR)
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_visitas/00_buques--01_BAnf_Galicia_es?_imageNodeID=58010&_imageNodeNumber=5&_imagePageNumber=1&_pageAction=changeImage#sel-foto
SALUDOS!!
Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 10, 2008, 10:06:42 pm
Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 10, 2008, 11:14:45 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.
He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:
LINK(Pinchad el apartado 5,donde pone HANGAR):
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_visitas/00_buques--01_BAnf_Galicia_es?_imageNodeID=58007&_imageNodeNumber=6&_imagePageNumber=1&_pageAction=changeImage#sel-foto
SALUDOS!!
Enviado por: SSK em Julho 10, 2008, 11:37:12 pm
Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 11, 2008, 09:33:33 am
Citação de: "AMRAAM"
Citação de: "Lightning"Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:
Já vi, bastou abrir noutro pc
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Enviado por: AMRAAM em Julho 11, 2008, 10:20:20 am
Citação de: "Lightning"
Citação de: "AMRAAM"Citação de: "Lightning"Obrigado AMRAAM, mas no ultimo site, não consigo ver a imagem.He intentado visitar de nuevo en el link que deje,y si he podido meterme y ver la recreacion virtual alli presente..Quizas sea problema de tu PC,o puede ser que te falte algun plugin,lo cierto es que no se por que puede ser.. :wink:
Já vi, bastou abrir noutro pc :D
Enviado por: Lightning em Julho 11, 2008, 05:44:14 pm
Há em Portugal muita gente gosta de começar a casa pelo telhado, isto é, andam tão chateados por a Força Aérea é que tem os EH101 que podem "eventualmente" embarcar no Navpol, quando deviam era estar preocupados em a Marinha ter o Navpol propriamente dito.
A Marinha Holandesa tem dois LPDs e não anda muito preocupada em possuir helicopteros de transporte, porque é que então a Marinha Portuguesa, que não tem nenhum LPD, havia de estar?
Enviado por: DC 38 em Julho 13, 2008, 10:44:00 pm
Citação de: "Lightning"
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Há em Portugal muita gente gosta de começar a casa pelo telhado
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A Marinha Holandesa tem dois LPDs e não anda muito preocupada em possuir helicopteros de transporte, porque é que então a Marinha Portuguesa, que não tem nenhum LPD, havia de estar?
:G-Ok:
Enviado por: Jorge Pereira em Dezembro 03, 2009, 11:08:31 pm
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Dezembro 09, 2009, 10:06:08 pm
Enviado por: cromwell em Dezembro 10, 2009, 02:41:14 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 11, 2009, 09:48:40 am
Enviado por: LM em Dezembro 11, 2009, 03:49:03 pm
Citação de: "Charlie Jaguar"
É por estas e por outras que eu penso que daqui a uns anos o "Zuiderkruis" estará cá para substituir o "Bérrio". :arrow: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -ship.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/110518/dutch-mps-approve-new-fleet-supply-ship.html)
E do "Zuiderkruis" para o Bérrio vale o investimento, tendo em conta que o "Z" não é propriamente "semi-novo"? Por outras palavras, qual seria a vida útil previsivel nas nossas mãos?
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 11, 2009, 06:01:19 pm
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HNLMS Zuiderkruis (A832) is one of two replenishment ships serving with the Royal Netherlands Navy. The Zuiderkruis entered service in 1975.
[edit] General characteristics
* Displacement: 16,900 tons.
* Dimensions:
o Length 170 m.
o Beam: 20 m.
* Complement: 170-190.
* Speed: 21 knots
* Armament:
o 1 x Goalkeeper CIWS system, up to 8 12.7 mm machine guns, up to 3 helicopters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Zuid ... %28A832%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Zuiderkruis_%28A832%29)
lá novo não é, embora tenha menos 6 anos que o Bérrio.
o Zuiderkruis está neste momento a passar pela sua última grande reparação ao serviço da Holanda, até á entrada do JSS .
Também não tem casco duplo (como o Bérrio), o mais certo é o tempo de vida após 2013 não ser muito longo...
a pergunta que se põe é...em que condições está o Bérrio? Não esqueçamos que este foi comprado "ás pressas" em 1993 porque o São Gabriel já nem estava em condições de navegar!
Temo que o mesmo venha a acontecer a médio prazo e aí "viramo-nos" para o que houver disponivel?
Um AOR novo, construido de raíz, seria o ideal...temo é que com o $$$$ dispendido nas Fragatas, Subs , NPOs e LFCs (se forem para a frente-qd vir acredito!), e se a isto juntarmos o NAvPOl
Haverá verba para um AOR Novo????
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Dezembro 12, 2009, 12:15:29 pm
Citação de: "P44"
Um AOR novo, construido de raíz, seria o ideal...temo é que com o $$$$ dispendido nas Fragatas, Subs , NPOs e LFCs (se forem para a frente-qd vir acredito!), e se a isto juntarmos o NAvPOl c34x
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 12, 2009, 06:21:34 pm
http://economia.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1413421 (http://economia.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1413421)
Enviado por: JLRC em Dezembro 13, 2009, 10:50:58 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 11, 2010, 01:52:48 pm
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Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Abril 13, 2010, 09:34:08 am
Foi pintado?
Enviado por: PereiraMarques em Abril 13, 2010, 09:51:03 am
) com o malfadado NPO 2000 português.
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 13, 2010, 12:35:46 pm
cerimónia oficial do inicio da construção do P840, em Dezembro de 2008:
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fonte: dutchfleet.net
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First Holland-class OPV set for launch, SIGNALS
The first of four Holland-class offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) for the Royal Netherlands Navy will be launched at Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding's facility in Vlissingen on 2 February.
The 3,750-ton OPVs are being built under Project Patrouilleschepen; contracts for the design and build of the four ships were awarded to Damen and Thales Nederland - worth EUR240 million (USD310 million) and EUR125 million respectively - in December 2007.
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Nav ... aunch.html (http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Navy-International-2010/First-Holland-class-OPV-set-for-launch.html)
uma apostinha que ainda entra ao serviço antes de um certo "navio" cujo nome agora não me lembro...?
Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Abril 13, 2010, 03:21:59 pm
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uma apostinha que ainda entra ao serviço antes de um certo "navio" cujo nome agora não me lembro...?É... Eu tenho o nome para aí escrito em qualquer lado, mas também já não me lembro.
Seria NRP Incompetência? Não me lembro mesmo.
Enviado por: Miguel em Abril 13, 2010, 04:15:44 pm
Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 13, 2010, 06:08:49 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 20, 2010, 05:14:23 pm
OPV classe Holland posto a flutuar no passado dia 4 Novembro(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg143.imageshack.us%2Fimg143%2F7649%2Fgompie3.jpg&hash=493b654ef1b033ec151ee47a6ab93052)
e o primeiro...
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Fragata M Van Speijk prepara-se para ser a primeira a receber o novo mastro:
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aspecto final:
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Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Novembro 21, 2010, 09:48:46 pm
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Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.Qual pessoal? Aquele soldado português que queria fazer um cinzeiro da bomblet?
Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Enviado por: FoxTroop em Novembro 21, 2010, 10:30:03 pm
Citação de: "luis filipe silva"
Miguel escreveu:CitarCalma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.Qual pessoal? Aquele soldado português que queria fazer um cinzeiro da bomblet?
Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Épa.... que essa foi pelo joelho.... Penalti..... Mas também não eram da Armada, por isso..
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 08, 2011, 06:01:40 pm
(Source: Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding; issued June 7, 2011)
On 7 June 2011, at the Damen yard in Galatz, the keel was laid down for the Joint Support Ship (JSS). The ceremony was performed by Rear Admiral K. Visser of the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Further construction of the vessel will largely take place at Damen Shipyard Galatz, supervised by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) whereas the final systems outfitting, commissioning and testing of the vessel and all of her systems will take place at DSNS in Vlissingen.
About the Joint Logistic Support Ship
The JSS has been designed to operate both in the lower and higher levels of the force spectrum, and measures 205 meter in length and 30 meter in breadth. Total displacement is 28.000 tonnes, speed 18 knots.
The vessel accommodates 180 crew and up to 120 non-listed persons, such as helicopter crew and medical teams. Further large areas for evacuees can be arranged.
The JSS has 2000 lane meters for transport of materiel, a helicopter deck with landing spots for operating two Chinooks simultaneously, and a hangar with a storage capacity of up to 6 helicopters. For maritime support the ship has the holding capacity of approx 8000 m3 of fuel, more than 1000 m3 of heli fuel, approx 450 m3 of potable water and approx 400 tonnes of ammunition.
The JSS has the facilities for loading and unloading operations of materiel and goods in harbors, near the shore or at open or at sea : two Replenishment-At-Sea masts, an elevator and crane for up to 40 tons, a roll on/roll off facility for vehicles, and a steel beach stern construction for accommodating cargo transfer via landing craft.
For self defence purposes the weapon suit consists of two Goalkeepers, two 30 mm automatic guns, and four automatic medium caliber gun systems.
In order to reduce the vulnerability, the vessel will be outfitted with signature reduction measures, ballistic protection, blast resistant constructions, redundant-, shock resistant-, and decentralized systems, a gas citadel and extensive fire fighting systems.
The manning requirement is low as the the vessel is designed with a layout optimized for day-to-day operations and the automation level for this vessel is high. It includes a calamity system, a warning system, an overview system and extensive subsystem automation. Also the communication and networks are state of the art, tailored to operate in a joint network environment.
The Damen Shipyards Group offers a complete range of naval and patrol vessels ranging from 7 to over 200 meters. Part of this portfolio are the Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) naval combatants and auxiliaries, embodied by the SIGMA and ENFORCER series. At present DSNS has under construction for the Royal Moroccan Navy: Three Sigma Class frigates and for the Royal Netherlands Navy: four Patrol Ships and a Joint Logistic Support Ship (JSS).
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Artist view of Karel Doorman Joint Support Ship
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Enviado por: P44 em Março 28, 2012, 06:16:58 pm
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Le nouveau patrouilleur néerlandais à la mer avec son mât intégré
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Le Holland, premier des nouveaux patrouilleurs hauturiers néerlandais du type OGPV, a débuté ses essais en mer avec son mât intégré. Construit par Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) à Flessingue, le bâtiment avait d'abord réalisé l'an dernier ses essais de plateforme sans son Integrated Mast 400, qui a été intégré par Thales fin 2011. Développé par la filiale néerlandaise de l'électronicien, cet équipement permet de rassembler en une seule et même structure la plupart de senseurs du navire. L'IM400 du Holland comprend, ainsi, un radar de veille air à quatre faces planes SeaMaster 400 (bande S), dérivé des SMART et APAR. La veille surface est assurée par un radar fixe Seawatcher (également à quatre faces, bande X), qui peut aussi assurer le guidage de l'hélicoptère embarqué. L'IM400 comprend, par ailleurs, un système électro-optique (IR/TV) de surveillance et d'alerte Gatekeeper. Ce système, avec une capacité de détection à 360 degrés, a été conçu pour traiter les menaces asymétriques, comme les attaques de petites embarcations rapides, de drones aériens ou de nageurs de combat. Le mât accueille enfin l'Integrated Communication Antenna System (ICAS), qui permet l'utilisation de systèmes de communication VHF/UHF et peut mettre en oeuvre une liaison de données tactique (L16), ainsi qu'un système d'identification « Friend or Foe » NR IFF.
Long de 108.4 mètres pour une largeur de 16 mètres, le Holland affiche un déplacement en charge de 3745 tonnes. Dotés d'un système de mise à l'eau pour embarcations rapides et d'une plateforme/hangar pour un hélicoptère de type NH90, il met en oeuvre une tourelle de 76mm, un canon de 27mm télé-opéré, ainsi que de l'artillerie légère. L'équipage sera limité à 50 marins mais le bâtiment a une capacité d'hébergement de 90 personnes. La propulsion, assurée par deux moteurs diesels de 5400 kW, permet au patrouilleur néerlandais d'atteindre la vitesse de 21.5 noeuds et de franchir 5000 nautiques à 15 noeuds.
Le Holland comptera trois sisterships : Le Zeeland, réalisé comme lui à Flessingue et livré en octobre dernier à la marine néerlandaise, ainsi que les Friesland et Groningen, construits par le chantier Damen de Galati, en Roumanie (l'achèvement de ces unités se déroule aux Pays-Bas).
mais fotos aqui
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119027 (http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119027)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 28, 2012, 06:31:32 pm
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Enviado por: Miguel Silva Machado em Abril 11, 2012, 09:25:03 pm
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Enviado por: Trafaria em Abril 12, 2012, 12:37:33 am
Citação de: "Miguel"
Calma, apesar de atrasos temos mellhor pessoal que a Armada da Holanda.Não acho que o caso de Srebrenica seja suficiente para qualificar umas forças armadas e muito menos um país. O que é que lhe diz que se fossem portugueses ou mexicanos as coisas seriam forçosamente diferentes?
Ver o caso de srebenica etc...
Que eu saiba apenas foram considerados culpados da morte de 3 pessoas.
Esse assunto não está nem, provavelmente, alguma vez virá a ser esclarecido. Cada um tem o direito à sua opinião e a minha é a de que o principal responsavel é o CS da ONU. Não houve força nem vontade para parar aquele ataque de quem todos parecem ter tido conhecimento antecipado excepto as forças no terreno. Eu serei o ultimo a condená-las.
Enviado por: P44 em Maio 19, 2012, 12:30:47 pm
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Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 23, 2012, 10:21:31 am
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Enviado por: HSMW em Junho 23, 2013, 06:40:30 pm
Enviado por: MarcaPistola em Julho 17, 2013, 02:39:51 pm
Penso que se forem ao site em baixo conseguem ver mais fotos…penso eu de que…
Para holandeses estava muito bem organizado, tinham parques na periferia de Den Helder e tinham bus gratuitos e a circularem com muita frequencia para a Base Naval.
Dentro da base para além do Sailor em que vieram de muitos paises veleiros tinham navios e subs abertos bem como as instalações. Até as empresas que trabalham para a Marinha Holandesa tinham as portas abertas e demonstravam os seus trabalhos. Uma grande doca seca tapada, em que lá tinham um navio em reparaçoes para os festejos fizeram um jogo de luzes com sons de alarmes…
Também tem outra doca seca mas para navios de tonelagem inferior pois é por elevador que os navios vao para a tal doca.
Os mergulhadores nao tem uma piscina mas sim um contentor e deixam a malta mergulhar com equipamentos mesmo à professional quem estava de for a via a filmagem e ouvia o que ele dizia. Também havia os tipicos baptismos de mar em lanchas e botes. Uma coisa engraçada foi os correios de cá associaram.se e a marinha tinha uns postais com fotos e a malta podia enviar para qualquer lado postais da Marinha Holandesa sem qualquer custo.
Também da para ver a publicidade a Damen num OPV.
O que sinceramente mais me desagradou foi os Navios Portugueses, sairam bem mais cedo do que o previsto para fundear ao largo de Den Helder. Em relaçao à Sagres saiu mas muito sinceramente sem o brio de "de outra ora", os tempos agora sao outros... Os militares nao estavam em formatura, nao mostraram nem a pequena vela com a Cruz de Cristo, nem qualquer som. Noutro meu tempo era diferente, mas agora estou desatualizado dessas andanças. Peço desculpa mas foi o que senti e sinto pelo que vi. Peço desculpa.
Os Russos quando sairam entuavam musicas russas, os Mexicanos estavam todos em formatura nos mastros!!! Os brasileiros idem idem. Etc etc…
Dá para ver que eles são uma laranja mecanica a nivel de reparaçao e construçao naval. E que conseguem rentabilizar as empresas ligadas ao mar.
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Enviado por: HSMW em Julho 17, 2013, 09:17:51 pm
Citação de: "MarcaPistola"
Dia da Marinha Real Holandesa.
O que sinceramente mais me desagradou foi os Navios Portugueses, sairam bem mais cedo do que o previsto para fundear ao largo de Den Helder. Em relaçao à Sagres saiu mas muito sinceramente sem o brio de "de outra ora", os tempos agora sao outros... Os militares nao estavam em formatura, nao mostraram nem a pequena vela com a Cruz de Cristo, nem qualquer som. Noutro meu tempo era diferente, mas agora estou desatualizado dessas andanças. Peço desculpa mas foi o que senti e sinto pelo que vi. Peço desculpa.
Uma pena que assim tenha sido...
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 18, 2013, 04:15:28 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 07, 2013, 04:10:55 pm
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Defence to Sell Off Biggest Navy Ship Before It Is Finished
(Source: Dutch News; published September 5, 2013)
THE HAGUE --- The defence ministry has to find over 300 million euros of extra savings. The Dutch navy's biggest vessel, currently being built n Vlissingen will be sold before it is commissioned, Trouw newspaper reported Wednesday.
The scrapping of the logistics support ship, which was to be the biggest and tallest ship in the Dutch navy, is part of a 330 million euro pruning operation, according to the paper. Where the navy gives up a ship, an entire battalion will be scrapped in the army.
The air force will also have to make do with six or seven fewer F16 fighter aircraft. At the same time, the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft is being chosen as the successor to this fleet. The number of JSFs will depend on the price. A ceiling of 4 billion euros will apply to the total order.
These measures, to be announced on Prince's Day (17 September), are on top of the 1 billion euros in cutbacks that Defence had already been saddled with earlier. As part of this, 12,000 jobs will be lost, mostly in the higher echelons.
According to Trouw, while the Karel Doorman (which will cost over 400 million euros), is being sold, at the same time, a new but smaller and cheaper supply ship will be built. HMS Amsterdam (commissioned in 1995), now sailing in the Caribbean, will also have to remain in service longer than planned.
The navy will also have to sacrifice a company, which involves 180 to 200 people. Which battalion will be scrapped is not yet clear. It could be one of the four armoured infantry battalions, possibly one of the two stationed in Havelte.
The scrapping of a battalion costs between 600 and 650 jobs. Additionally, the pruning of support services is to yield savings of 40 million euros.
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -cuts.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/147732/dutch-to-sell-off-biggest-ship-in-latest-round-of-budget-cuts.html)
JSS KAREL DOORMAN
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Impressionante! Sempre entrou ao serviço ou não?
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 25, 2014, 05:38:39 pm
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Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 21, 2014, 04:21:52 pm
No way.. A former Kortenaer class frigate (HNMLS Piet Heyn/ UAE Al Emarat) now is.. Yas, a luxury megayaught of UAE
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Enviado por: HSMW em Abril 10, 2015, 08:47:15 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 25, 2015, 11:22:10 am
HNLMS Karel Doorman of #KoninklijkeMarine has been officially commissioned (April 24, 2015). Photos by @RonDamman
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Enviado por: Crypter em Abril 25, 2015, 12:14:26 pm
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This new re-configuration OPVs is highly efficient and incredibly versatile. Damen's famous Sea Axe is used for this second-generation OPVs. Due to this hull design, these vessels demonstrate superior seakeeping including exceptional low heave accelerations. This makes the vessel very comfortable, even in stormy seas. Since the hull is designed to reduce water resistance, the new OPV is also very fuel efficient and capable of speeds 25/26 knots.
Versatility has been reinvented by three new developed multi-missions locations - namely the bridge, hangar and bay. The Multi-Mission Bay can be equipped with dedicated mission modules (e.g. mission containers) for missions such as counter piracy, counter-drug operations, anti-mining warfare (AMW), search-and-rescue (SAR), etc.
The Multi-Mission Hangar is capable of storing an 11-tonne NH-90 and an UAV such as the Boeing Scan Eagle.
http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/D ... hauturiers (http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/Damen-devoile-ses-nouveaux-patrouilleurs-hauturiers)
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 16, 2015, 09:02:55 pm
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December 17, 2014
The system will be installed on HNLMS Rotterdam, to replace its 30-year old DA08 radar system. The NS100 will be installed in the second semester of 2017, in line with the ship’s maintenance schedule.
The Royal Netherlands Navy selected Thales’s NS100 system because of its performance and its proven AESA technology. This technology enables a 3D cue to be given to both Goalkeeper Close-In Weapon Systems on the ship. Furthermore, the selection for this radar has numerous logistic advantages since the Royal Netherlands Navy already operates the latest generation of Thales AESA radars on the majority of its vessels. The NS100 radar incorporates a Thales IFF mode 5/S subsystem, making the Royal Netherlands Navy one of the first navies in the world to deploy this modern standard.
Geert van der Molen, Vice-President Surface Radar. “The NS100 radar confirms Thales’s leading position world-wide in naval radar systems. Its unique dual-axis multi-beam technology gives the user a definite advantage in modern-day missions. We are proud of this new member of our AESA radar family.”
About NS100
The NS100 is the newest member of Thales’s S-band AESA radar family. It is the first radar world-wide using dual-axis multi-beam technology, which significantly enhances situational awareness in a littoral environment. NS100 is a multi-sensor integrated platform: in addition to the S-band radar, the system is designed to include the Scout Mk3 FMCW radar, the IFF mode 5/S interrogator and transponder, an IR camera, AIS and ADS-B. Positioning all sensors at the best topside position optimizes the overall field of view. The highly modular and scalable NS100 enables a tailor-made sensor for customer specific requirements and operational profiles. Radar performance is increased by adding RX and TX Building Blocks, answering to the need set by a wide range of naval ships and missions. The flexible radar architecture enables through-life introduction of new capabilities.
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Vai substituir o DA08 que é o mesmo radar 2D de médio/longo alcance utilizado nas nossas Vasco da Gama.
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Enviado por: P44 em Junho 21, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
Nesta foto dá para comparar bem o tamanho dos novos OPVs com as fragatas classe M
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Enviado por: olisipo em Agosto 19, 2015, 07:55:48 pm
Holanda despliega uno de sus nuevos patrulleros clase "Holland" en la operación Atalanta
http://defensa.com/index.php?option=com ... e&id=16355 (http://defensa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16355)
Enviado por: tenente em Setembro 14, 2015, 11:13:43 pm
The oldest M-frigate that is still in Dutch service, dates from 1993 and will be 30 years old in 2023. Since the service life of the ships was already extended from 25 to 30 years , the replacement is expected to enter service that year.
Originally these ships were planned for the year 2020, but Defense Minister Hennis pushed this date to 2023 in 2013. However the first of these new class will be expected to enter service in 2020, with the Karel Doorman class being retired from 2023.
The project has been dubbed Future Surface Combatant. According to the designers of Damen the ship will be 145 meters long with a crew of 120 people. The frigate will be able to operate at the highest violence spectrum is therefore equipped with both sensors and weapons for air targets as surface targets.
Because the M-class frigates have an additional anti submarine warfare specialization and the LCF's do not excel in this, so will the new FSC herein be equipped.
It is unlikely that mine warfare abilities are added to the ship, because those require very different demands in the platform in areas such as requirements for magnetism.
F827 2020 Beatrix
F829 2022 Van Speijk
F830 2023 Prince Friso
F833 2025 Bernard
Specs
Lenght 145 Meter
Displacement 5020 tons full load
Crew 120
Propulsion
2 shafts IEP
2× Rolls Roys SM 3F turbines
2x Wartsilla16 V26 diesel engines
2x Holec Electric motor
Weapon Systems
16x ESSM Block 2
10x Harpoon
1x RAM
1x 92mm Oto Melara gun
1x 30 mm Marlin WS
2x Hitrole Machine Gns
2x Twin torpedo tubes
Sensor Suite
Thales Nederland APAR air and surface search, tracking and guidance radar (I band)
DECCA NAV navigation radar
Thales Nederland Scout 2 (Low Probability of Intercept)surface search/navigation radar
Thales Python VLF passive tactical towed array sonar
Thales GateKeeper Electro-optical 360° Mk2 surveillance system
Thales SeaWatcher 300 active phased array surface detection and tracking radar
Thales PHS-72 Hull-mounted sonar
Electronic warfare
and decoys
2x Sippican Hycor SRBOC MK40 launcher
1 × Thales Sabre ECM suite
2 × AN/SLQ-50 Sphinx torpedo decoy
Supplementary Units
1x NH90
4x Unmanned Service Vessels
1x FRISC
•Design cost : 4 billion euro's
•Unit cost : 450 million euro's.
Cumprimentos
Enviado por: mafets em Setembro 25, 2015, 02:33:04 pm
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The Netherlands Defence Material Organisation (DMO) formally handed over the 28,000-ton Joint Logistic Support Ship (JSS) HNLMS Karel Doorman to the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) on 24 September.(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F800%2F54800%2F1531404_-_main.jpg&hash=c004380b69e4a73d08c608df977c41f0)
The ceremony marked the successful completion of the majority of the ship's sea acceptance test programme, a DMO spokesperson said. Karel Doorman will now start its work-up trajectory, with a view to achieving full operational readiness by mid-2016.
Built by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding yard in Vlissingen under a contract signed in December 2009, Karel Doorman was laid down in June 2011 and launched in October 2012. Before completion the ship found itself in 2013 declared surplus to requirements under austerity-driven defence budget cuts. The decision was reversed by the Dutch government and it officially entered service with the RNLN on 24 April 2015.
Following commissioning, the ship embarked on a nine-week deployment to Norway, Canada, the United States, and the Dutch Antilles where it conducted warm weather trials, and underwater and magnetic signature testing under DMO supervision. In addition to the DMO's test programme, Karel Doorman was used for replenishment at sea operations throughout the nine weeks, transport of equipment to the Dutch Antilles, and successful trials with a Bell-Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. It also participated in the annual 'Hurricane Exercise' ('HUREX 2015'), demonstrating the versatility and potential of the ship, the spokesperson said.
Prior to commissioning, in November 2014 the ship also completed a three-month deployment to West Africa to deliver aid to Ebola-struck countries.
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Enviado por: tenente em Setembro 30, 2015, 03:38:19 pm
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Dutch ... m_999.html (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Dutch_Navy_LPD_getting_new_radar_system_999.html)
An amphibious warfare ship of the Royal Netherlands Navy, HNLMS Rotterdam, is to be outfitted with S-band active electronically scanned array radar from Thales.
The NS100 dual-axis multi-beam surveillance radar will replace the landing platform dock's 30-year-old DA08 radar system in 2017.
"The NS100 radar confirms Thales's leading position world-wide in naval radar systems," said Geert van der Molen, Thales vice-president of Surface Radar. "Its unique dual-axis multi-beam technology gives the user a definite advantage in modern-day missions."
The NS100 system enables a 3-D cue to be given to both Goalkeeper Close-In Weapon Systems on the ship. The system includes Thales' Scout Mk3 FMCW radar, and an IFF mode 5/S interrogator and transponder.
The value of the contract from the Netherlands Defense Materiel Organization was not disclosed.
The HNLMS Rotterdam was launched in 1997. It displaces 12,750 tons and is 545 feet in length. Its range is 6,000 nautical miles at 12 knots and it can carry more than 600 marines.
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Enviado por: tenente em Maio 26, 2016, 02:56:42 pm
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HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën and HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured here in the Port of Den Helder) are among the ships to be fitted with the OBS. Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy
Ten Royal Netherlands Navy vessels will be fitted with sixteen Optimarin Ballast Systems (OBS) by 2017, the company responsible for the installation of the systems announced May 26.
Dutch Defence Material Organization has awarded three contracts to Golten Worldwide and its Green Technologies business unit for the engineering and turnkey installation of the systems.
Landing Platform Dock (LPD) vessels HNLMS Rotterdam and HNLMS Johan de Witt, the frigates HNLMS Tromp, HNLMS Evertsen, HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën and HNLMS De Ruyter, as well as special purpose vessels MOV Van Kinsbergen, HNLMS Pelikaan, HNLMS Luymes and HNLMS Snellius will all be fitted with ballast treatment systems during their scheduled maintenance periods.
Goltens Green Technologies will engineer and install the UV based Ballast Water Treatment Systems (BWTS) onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy vessels during 2016 and 2017, ensuring compliance with both the pending IMO and existing US Coast Guard regulations on ballast water treatment.
Goltens said the Optimarin’s DNV-GL type approved system is fully compliant with the IMO Ballast Water Management Convention, which is currently just shy of the 35% of global tonnage it requires for ratification, and holds an AMS certificate from the USCG.
According to Optimarin, the ballast system is based on filtration as pre-treatment and high doses of UV irradiation for inactivation of marine organisms, viruses and bacteria, without affecting the normal operation of the ship. Ballast water is UV treated both during ballasting and de-ballasting to ensure the dual UV effect. Ballast water is only filtered during ballasting.
Optimarin further describes the OBS as one of few treatment options that does not use or generate chemicals or biocides in its treatment or cleaning processes.
PS : será que é desta que nos candidatamos a comprar as duas últimas classe M da Holanda ?????
Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 01, 2016, 10:18:43 am
Bericht geplaatst: 16-06-2016 | Laatst aangepast: 16-06-2016
The new fregatten around 2025 have ended up at the first stage of the route which must take before to the replacement of current two M-fregatten. Already longer studies are done to the new ships, but meanwhile are themselves the substitute M-fregatten, just like the new onderzeeboten, at the need interview stage. That answered defence today on questions of Marineschepen.nl.
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Cos-ordination of future German fregatten, of which the MKS were in the past also kept track of 180 (Right) the Netherlands. But that ship became eventually much too large. Left F125 the fregat, a rare wrong serum in Germany. (Photograph: German Navy)
in November 2013 was already shown one of the designs of the future fregat. Previous year during a symposium also tipje of the sluier were lifted, but the substitute M-fregatten was himself not yet at the first stage of defence material process (DMP). It remained quiet and also previous year summer was there according to the ministry of defence no communicate news concerning the replacement programme.
Today a spokesman of minister of defence answered Jeanine them niche on questions of Marineschepen.nl that the substitute M-fregatten meanwhile at the a stage of the DMP has ended up. There is therefore progress, continued the spokesman, but the need interview phase is still going on. After wind up of this the House of Commons concerning the results of this it is informed and afterwards defence the media will inform.
That the substitute M-fregatten at the a stage has not ended up means that is certain that the new ships come there also really. Everything depend on the decision-making in the House of Commons. However, it means that there is money now more for research and staff for the project work. At the a stage the emphasis lies then on the need interview. Thus the requirements are formulated where the new fregatten must to satisfy. The phase is concluded with a a letter. That is the first moment that the second Member of Parliament oaths concerning the nieuwbouwplannen can bend itself.
computer co-ordination of the substitute of M-fregat such as that in 2015 it was shown. (Source: Defence material organisation)
little time, little haste
when minister them niche expects the a letter to send, has not been confessed. Much time is not there, because four (Dutch and Belgian) of original M-fregatten must consider replace the new fregatten. The ships tribes from the nineties are already tijdje to for becoming obsolete and the question is if they can sail also after 2025 still. Even that year is very ambitious, but little haste had in any case made defence since 2013 on the fregattendossier.
Initially the new fregatten in 2020, must be able sail, which were postponed up to 2023 by them niche and in 2015, once more with at least one year. Having regard to the doorlooptijden of projects, we must take into account that the new fregatten just end twenties available to be.
International cooperation
complicating factor is moreover also the wish tackle the nieuwbouw internationally. That is haste necessary because two M-fregatten of Belgium form and two of the Netherlands one of the pillars of Belgisch-Nederlandse the Navy amen functioning. As confessed these fregatten in the Netherlands are maintained and the mine hunters in Belgium. That is possible because both countries the same have ships.
Just like in the Netherlands is there in Belgium nothing certainly concerning materieelprojecten in the future. Previous year seemed it several keren that Belgium wants take farewell of the fregatten. Nevertheless its both countries now together in search of opvolging of M-fregatten.
Cooperation with Germany was also one of the options. But the future German fregat MKS180, which found also the Netherlands a lot interesting, grew to a ship with a water displacement of no less than maximum 10,000 barrels, three times larger than current M-fregat. That became much too large for the substitute of M-fregat.
Flexible onderzeebootbestrijdingsfregatten
where now or of think the Netherlands and Belgium, must become clear from the a letter where the functionalities will stand in. Toch is, however, what confessed concerning in which direction is thought if it concerns the new ships.
Partly appears that from the words of the commander of the Belgian Navy, flotilla admiral Georges Heeren, in the booklet Naval Forces of May this year. Heeren say in that Article which is not gezocht to a real multipurpose ship because he fears that the result is a fregat that much are possible, but nowhere real well in is. Moreover such a ship will become too large and too expensive.
In place of it it must be a fregat that high in the violence spectrum, with the emphasis on onderzeebootbestrijding, but that can operate can be also thanks to modular systems very flexible.
The first two requirements also returns in Article energy is a weapon: on gone to energie-efficiënte the schip' in the Navy booklet of September 2015. The authors outline the overall requirements of the future fregat: primary onderzeebootbestrijding (long-term, worldwide and in the whole violence spectrum), secondary maritime beveiligingstaken and granting maritime assistance, robust maintaining against attacks from air, as from sea and as from land. Finally the new fregatten have a small basis crew of 100 function places according to the authors.
Robust maintaining is important for future fregatten, because by the decreasing number of ships the expectation is that entities in always smaller numbers must operate. These fregatten must therefore improve their own protection are able ensure, because there possible no other ships are available.
http://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Vervanging-M-fregatten-in-nieuwe-fase-160616.html
Peço desculpa pelo tradutor de serviço, mas é o que pode arranjar.
Enviado por: P44 em Janeiro 02, 2017, 07:51:58 pm
Download em PDF:
http://www.academia.edu/30676050/Royal_Netherlands_Navys_Future_Fleet_Capabilities_A_Continuation_of_Rational_Thinking
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 22, 2017, 04:25:19 pm
https://navaltoday.com/2017/02/22/dutch-navy-upgrades-support-vessel-hnlms-pelikaan/
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HNLMS Pelikaan. Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy
The Royal Netherlands Navy’s logistic support vessel HNLMS Pelikaan is undergoing refit works at the naval base Parera in Willemstad, Curaçao, where it is expected to remain until April 2017.
HNLMS Pelikaan was launched in 2006 in Galati, Romania, and sailed into Willemstad for the first time on 11 September 2006. Her arrival was welcomed by the local population, in recognition of her role in maintaining security and delivering emergency aid in the Caribbean.
The 65.4 metre vessel primarily supports operations and training conducted by the Dutch Ministry of Defense unit in the Caribbean, and also delivers aid and humanitarian assistance following hurricanes and other natural catastrophes. Most recently, she assisted in relief operations for Haiti following the passage of Hurricane Matthew in October 2016.
Dutch company Alewijnse Marine is in charge of the vessel’s electrical refit under a contract signed with the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Alewijnse will be delivering project management services and preparing, installing and commissioning all the new electrical systems and associated cabling on the external decks of the vessel. This includes the navigation equipment, electrical facilities and lighting.
“The Dutch Royal Navy has selected Alewijnse to travel to Curaçao to undertake the electrical refit, which shows the strong trust that they have in our knowledge and experience,” Alewijnse service coordinator Perry Eikelenboom commented. “Alewijnse designed and installed the original electrical systems on the vessel when she was built and eleven years later we have been invited back to take care of the systems upgrade.”
Com onze anos de serviço e vai ser melhorado, exactamente como nós fazemos por cá................sem mais comentários
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Enviado por: Major Alvega em Abril 22, 2017, 09:59:41 pm
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BI-NATIONAL REPLACEMENT
The current generation of M-frigates is (besides the Belgian navy) also operated by the Portuguese and Chilean navies. All these M-frigates will reach the end of their lifespan somewhere before 2030. Some of these frigates will undergo a life extension. However, the Netherlands and Belgium plan to jointly develop and procure the successors of the M-frigate for their navies.
Enviado por: tenente em Janeiro 17, 2018, 01:27:22 pm
O pdf é bem elucidativo sobre os meios, capacidades e missões da MdG Holandesa.
https://www.government.nl/documents/leaflets/2017/03/09/the-royal-netherlands-navy-in-focus
O segundo PDF ainda é mais interessante
https://www.kvmo.nl/images/pdf/2017/Thesis_RNLNs_Future_Fleet_Capabilities_-_W.Veenstra_-_Final.pdf
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Enviado por: tenente em Março 28, 2018, 07:00:21 pm
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Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy
The Royal Netherlands Navy, with over EUR6 billion in funds set aside for its acquisition and maintenance programs, is the major winner of the Netherlands defense ministry’s 2018 white paper.
Army and air force follow with little over two and one billion euros, respectively, while 1.7 billion is to go on IT and cyber.
The two most expensive navy programs in the white paper are the replacement of Walrus-class submarines and De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense frigates, both estimated at over 2.5 billion euro.
Contracts for the submarine construction are expected to be awarded in 2021 with the first submarine arriving in 2027. First of the new frigates is set to arrive in 2029.
Multipurpose frigates and mine countermeasure vessels which are being acquired jointly with Belgium are scheduled to arrive in 2024.
Other major programs in the white paper will include the procurement of new mine counter measures vessels, a combat support vehicle and the replacement of two landing platform docks in late 2020s. These two projects, alongside Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile and Standard Missile 2 procurement and integration, are estimated to cost between 250 and 1,000 million.
While presenting an increase in spending compared to the original budget, the 2018 white paper outlines a peak of 1.3% of GDP in 2020 which will still be well bellow NATO’s 2 percent target that is to be achieved by 2024. The Dutch defense ministry noted, however, that the white paper would be revised in 2022 with the aim of outlining steps aimed at achieving NATO’s capability targets
https://navaltoday.com/2018/03/28/navy-wins-big-in-dutch-2018-defense-white-paper/
E se a nossa MdG pensar em ter algumas da De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense frigates, como substitutas das VdG ?????
As duas unidades mais novas são de 2004 e 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn-class_frigate
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Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 12:00:19 am
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 11:47:08 am
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.
Para mim o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.
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Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Março 29, 2018, 01:20:48 pm
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.
Para mim o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.
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Tiraste-me as palavras do teclado, tenente. ;)
Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 01:35:01 pm
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 01:39:39 pm
Já há uns tempos atrás tinha sugerido isso mesmo. Como a Marinha continua a ter nos seus planos uma eventual aquisição de duas fragatas AAW, as Zeven encaixariam na perfeição, mesmo apesar de em 2029 se tratarem de navios com 25 anos. O cenário mais plausível, quanto a mim, são duas para PT e duas para o Chile.
Para mim o ideal era virem as quatro unidades, entre 2027 e 2030 para substituírem as VdG, e uns anos depois, lá para 2035 abatermos as BD.
A ser tentado, o negócio, poder-se-ia abordar a hipótese do Rotterdam fazer parte do pacote, e que pacote, pois a ser concretizado ficávamos com uma classe de Fragatas com excelentes capacidades na Luta AA/AS/ASW que, pelas minhas contas, durariam mais uns vinte anos ao nosso serviço, pois deviam durar até 2050 no mínimo !!
Quanto a custos penso que o " Pacote " ficaria por uns mil milhões de Euros mais coisa menos coisa.
O único senão para mim é o facto das guarnições serem de 200 almas p/ Fragata, mas não se pode ter tudo sem custos.
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Tiraste-me as palavras do teclado, tenente. ;)
Já viste o tempo que poupaste e o desgate do teclado que evitaste CJ ???? ;)
Abraços e boa Páscoa que o je começa o turno amanhã .
Enviado por: tenente em Março 29, 2018, 01:40:36 pm
Dificilmente conseguiremos os quatro (se a Marinha os quiser, obviamente). São excelentes navios e vai, de certeza, haver muita competição para os adquirir em segunda-mão.
mas que ficávamos bem servidos ficávamos e.....quem quer bolota, TREPA !! ;)
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Enviado por: NVF em Março 29, 2018, 02:35:20 pm
O 'meu plano' sempre passou pela aquisição de duas Zeven para substituir as VdG, seguidas da aquisição de 4 M novas, para substituir as BD.
Enviado por: jpthiran em Março 29, 2018, 11:07:37 pm
...coisa que só as grandes potências têem!...
...não seria melhor focarmo-nos em arranjar 4 ou 5 fragatas novas das que vão substituir as actuais M-frigates ?...
...e teríamos boas fragatas para a luta anti submarina com capacidade de defesa contra mísseis,,,
...e já com design furtivo...
Enviado por: NVF em Março 30, 2018, 01:34:03 am
O que antigamente eram fragatas agora são corvetas; o que antigamente eram contratorpedeiros agora são fragatas; o que antigamente eram cruzadores agora são contratorpedeiros. Praticamente todas as fragatas que entraram ao serviço das marinhas ocidentais nos últimos dez anos, bem assim como as planeadas para a próxima década, têm deslocamentos entre as 4.000 e as 7.000 toneladas (tipicamente mais perto do limite superior que do inferior). As FREMM, as F125, as futuras F110 e as futuras Type 26, por exemplo, deslocam todas mais de 6.000 toneladas. Os contratorpedeiros dos países ricos (EUA, Japão, Coreia do Sul) deslocam mais de 10.000 toneladas.
Enviado por: LM em Março 30, 2018, 12:33:05 pm
Como se explica a tendência para o aumento de tonelagem, tendo em conta a crescente automatização? Posso argumentar com a capacidade de resistir a danos e manter operacionalidade, mas a capacidade de com 1 ataque infligir danos também aumenta e 2 navios duplica hipóteses de manter capacidade...
Enviado por: mafets em Março 30, 2018, 01:02:34 pm
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Embora o automatismo nas unidades mais recente seja norma, na verdade a quantidade de sensores e armamento, bem como a capacidade de motorização e geradores para colocar todo o navio em andamento e operação, justificam o aumento de tonelagem. Além disso é importante não esquecer que um upgrade realizado por exemplo nas M para permitir a utilização do Nh90 só é possível com uma certa tonelagem e cumprimento. Numa corveta, por exemplo como a Barroso, isso dificilmente seria possível (Aliás, face ao tamanho e tonelagem seria sempre mais limitado, tanto mais que a previsão foi sempre modificação de alguns sensores e armamento, mantendo por exemplo o Lynx como heli embarcado http://www.ebah.com.br/content/ABAAAfVocAG/corveta-barroso-v (http://www.ebah.com.br/content/ABAAAfVocAG/corveta-barroso-v) ) .
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Enviado por: tenente em Abril 05, 2018, 05:32:16 am
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A sketch of the 212CD design, which Norway has decided to procure. (tkMS via Norwegian Ministry of Defence)
COLOGNE, Germany — The Netherlands would be welcome to join a German-Norwegian submarine acquisition program, even as the door is closing for final design work on the boats, the Norwegian defense ministry said.
The statement comes as German defense industry officials have talked for weeks about what they believe is an impending move to reshuffle big-ticket shipbuilding programs by way of a new naval cooperation umbrella with the Dutch. In that telling, The Hague would join the purchase of 212CD-class submarines, built by Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems’ undersea division, and gain a say in the fate of Germany’s Mehrzweck-Kampfschiff 180 frigate program, from which the surface division of TKMS was excluded last month.
While Berlin and The Hague have officially kept mum about details, several German industry officials and analysts surveyed for this article believe the prospect of a Dutch move is keeping the MKS-180 program’s fate unpredictable.
When asked about the Netherlands’ interest in the German combat ship effort, Dutch defense ministry spokesman Peter Valstar only wrote in an email to Defense News that senior acquisition officials from both countries had met recently to discuss “various topics like possible cooperations on all kinds of defense projects.”
As for submarines, “We’re currently in the B-phase (research) of our so-called ‘Defence Material Process,‘” Valstar wrote. “The ‘need’ (A-phase) of a submarine purchase is clear. The C-phase (further research) and D-phase (product and supplier) are still to come.”
Norway has always considered the door open for additional submarine buyers since Oslo teamed with Berlin last year. The joint acquisition would see Norway buy four boats and Germany two. Buying and maintaining identical submarines would keep cost down for both countries, the argument goes.
“Norway and Germany would like to see additional partners joining the cooperation, and it would be very welcome if the Netherlands should decide to join,” Norwegian defense ministry spokeswoman Ann Kristin Salbuvik wrote in an email to Defense News.
“We are working together towards several potential nations, and we have a good dialogue with potential partners,” Salbuvik added when asked if the Dutch had formally expressed an interest.
But the door is closing for would-be partners to have a say in the boats’ configurations. “The design of the German-Norwegian submarines will soon be frozen in order for the supplier, TKMS, to be able to provide a binding offer in July 2018,” the spokeswoman wrote.
“After this point in time, design changes will be costly, and will also have a negative impact on time and delivery schedules for the German-Norwegian submarine building program,” she added. “If additional partners join the cooperation, it will be beneficial for them to strive for as identical a design as possible.”
It is unclear how far discussions for a Dutch-German naval armaments pact have bubbled up toward the defense ministries’ leaders. But the issue is “very much a topic of conversation in political Berlin,” one source noted.
If given the chance to tweak the MKS-180 configuration, the Dutch would push for a smaller ship design than is currently envisioned, one industry source predicted.
With Damen Shipyards, the Dutch already have local industry in the running for the program, teaming with Germany’s Blohm &Voss, which is now part of the German Lürssen group.
http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=368
PS Mas quanto a nós mantem-se o já usual " Orgulhosamente sós " onde é que eu já ouvi isto ??? Não aprendemos mesmo nada !!!
Quer dizer, aprender até aprendemos a continuar a ser capazes de........... roubar á vontade !!!!
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Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Abril 05, 2018, 10:15:09 am
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 05, 2018, 06:09:25 pm
(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted May 04, 2018)
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The Dutch Navy will replace its two M-frigates (HNLMS Speijk seen here) and Alkmaar-class minehunters, and buy a second logistic support ship, under a 6.7 billion plan submitted to Parliament yesterday by the defense ministry. (NL MoD photo)
PARIS --- The Dutch Navy is on the verge of receiving a multi-billion euro investment, the Dutch daily De Telegraaf reported Thursday. In addition to the two M-Frigates, six minehunters are also being replaced by partly unmanned systems. There will also be new missiles, torpedoes and cannons, while the four air-defense and command frigates will undergo a thorough upgrade.
Secretary of State for Defense Barbara Visser officially announced this to Parliament’s Lower House on Thursday. In total, this involves an investment of 6.7 billion euros beyond the replacement of the submarines, for which an additional 2.5 billion euros has been earmarked.
According to a bilateral agreement on joint naval procurement signed in November 2016, the Netherlands is the lead nation for the procurement of frigates for both countries’ navies, while Belgium is to lead procurement of new minehunters for both.
Dutch tender
In the State Secretary’s memorandum, naval forces seem to benefit most from the extra funds that this government is spending on the armed forces. By the end this cabinet period, it will eventually receive a structural 1.5 billion euros.
Frigates are the backbone of the navy, and their replacement is therefore essential. Because of their power, they ensure safety at sea, defense of their national territory and that of allies, and unrestricted sea transport. Where the air defense and command frigates specialize in air defense, the M-frigates are designed for anti-submarine warfare, which is a capability that NATO has a great need for. In addition to combat operations, frigates are also suitable for, for example, anti-terrorism, drugs and piracy control and the provision of emergency aid.
The construction of a complex ship like a frigate takes more than 7 years. The first new frigate is expected to be operational from 2025 onwards.
The current multipurpose frigates, the HNLMS Van Speijk and the HNLMS Van Amstel were commissioned into Navy service in 1991 and 1995, ( correct comissioning dates are 1995 and 1993 respectively ) with a planned lifespan of 25 years. By 2024, new frigates must enter service to replace them.
The replacement of the M-frigates is estimated to cost 1 to 2.5 billion euros, Visser estimates, and the ministry would like to stay close to home, preferring a tender in which Damen Shipyards in Gorinchem would be the biggest contender, according to RTL Nieuws. Defense procurement is not subject to European procurement rules.
Another major purchase is that of a second supply ship. The Netherlands now has one supply ship, the joint logistic support ship (JSS) Karel Doorman after one - the Zr. Ms. Amsterdam - was retired in 2014 and sold to Peru. For a new ship, 250 million to 1 billion euros will be allocated.
A second Combat Support Ship (CSS) should increase the effectiveness of naval vessels, as they would have to leave the area of operations less frequently for a port visit. With a second support vessel, the Dutch Defense organization can permanently have supply capacity at sea and also make it available to NATO.
The CSS must be launched relatively quickly from 2023 onwards. For this purpose, the Defense organization will take the existing design of the JSS. Buying “off-the-shelf” has several advantages: use can be made of existing knowledge and experience, and the maintenance and training and training of the crew can be pooled.
The CSS is smaller than the JSS, but still the same as much as possible. Think of architecture and design, the command system, the armament and the use of (sub) systems as radar.
For a new ship, 250 million to 1 billion euros will be allocated.
New mine hunters
The Dutch Navy operates six Alkmaar-class minehunters. Developed and built in the 1980s in a joint program together with Belgium and France, and have now reached the end of their lifespan.
The deteriorated security situation increases the chances that naval mines could be deployed, and there are also many explosives on the coat left over from the First and Second World War.
The future of maritime mine control lies in unmanned and partly autonomous systems. These are deployed at a safe distance from a manned mine-control vessel. In addition, the minehunters are designed in such a way that they can operate worldwide and under high threat. The Netherlands will receive the new units, both manned and unmanned, between 2025 and 2030.
The cost of the replacement of the six Dutch mine hunters will fall in the same order of magnitude and the CSS, or less than 1 billion euros.
Other expenses
According to the memorandum to Parliament, a selection of other acquisitions planned by the defense ministry in the coming years for the Royal Netherlands Navy includes:
-- New generation of anti-aircraft missiles for M-frigates: 250 million - 1 billion euros;
-- Softkill defense system against torpedoes: 100-250 million euros;
-- Replacement 127 mm gun LC frigates; 100-250 million euros;
-- Replacement Harpoon system (surface-to-surface missile): 100-250 million euros; and
-- Replacement Goalkeeper system for self-defense against short-range air threat: 100-250 million euros.
http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=281
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Van_Speijk_(F828)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Van_Amstel_(F831)
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Enviado por: tenente em Maio 14, 2018, 06:10:44 pm
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The HNLMS Van Speijk at sea. (Photo courtesy of Dutch Defence.)
THE HAGUE--The two multi-purpose frigates of the Royal Dutch Navy that are stationed on a regular basis in the Caribbean, HNLMS Van Speijk and HNLMS Van Amstel, will be replaced by new, more modern ships in about eight years.
The lifespan of the two multi-purpose vessels, commonly referred to as the M-frigates, is nearing its end. HNLMS Van Speijk (F828) entered service in 1995 and HNLMS Van Amstel (F831) in 1993. They are the last two in a series of eight ships in the Karel Doorman class.
The ships, which measure 122 metres in length and have a crew of 150 to 160, are decreasingly able to match current and future threats, the systems on board are becoming outdated and spare parts are harder to come by, which results in high maintenance cost. In 2020, the two ships will have reached the end of their operational and technical lifespan.
It takes about seven years to construct a frigate. The first of the two new M-frigates is expected to be ready for deployment in 2025. Replacing the two ships will cost between 1 billion and 2.5 billion euros. The ships will be developed together with Belgium with which the Netherlands has intensive cooperation where it concerns M-frigates and mine combat vessels. Belgium will also get two new M-frigates.
The M-frigates play a vital role in the Navy, and their replacement is essential. “Frigates are all-round ships and form the backbone of the surface fleet. They are important units to bring safety at sea and for the maritime defence of our own territory and that of allies, including the Caribbean part of the Kingdom,” stated Dutch State Secretary of Defence Barbara Visser in a letter to the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament on Thursday.
The M-frigates are specialised in anti-submarine warfare, a much-needed capacity in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO). M-frigates are also equipped to combat illegal drug operations, terrorism and piracy, and to provide emergency relief and carry out evacuations. The ships are regularly dispatched to the Caribbean as the so-called station ship.
The Navy vessel HNLMS Zeeland that provided the much-needed and appreciated assistance in the Windward Islands, in particular in St. Maarten, and in Dominica after Hurricanes Irma and Maria in September 2017, was not an M-frigate, but an Ocean-going Patrol Vessel (OPV).
The HNLMS Zeeland, which measures 108 metres in length and has a crew of 50, is a smaller vessel than the M-frigate type, but also a much younger one: it was deployed in 2013. The OPV type vessels are especially used for Coast Guard tasks in the North Sea and in the Caribbean.
Several other new ships of different types will be constructed in the coming years besides the two M-frigates. A second supply ship will be built. The Netherlands currently has one supply ship, the Joint Logistic Support Ship (JESS) HNLMS Karel Doorman, which was dispatched twice to St. Maarten after Hurricane Irma to bring large cargo loads to the island. The HNLMS Karel Doorman is 205 metres long, the largest ship of the Dutch Navy.
A second supply ship, a so-called Combat Support Ship (CSS), should increase the effectiveness of the Navy ships because the latter would not have to leave the operational area on a regular basis to get supplies at a harbour. With a second supply ship, the Dutch Defence can have permanent supply capacity at sea.
The Combat Support Ship will be smaller than the HNLMS Karel Doorman, but there will be many similarities, as the design of the latter ship will be used for the CSS. The CSS should be deployed by 2023.
The six mine combat ships of the Alkmaar class will be replaced. The ships date back to the ’80s and are reaching the end of their lifespan. The vessels are increasingly having trouble detecting modern sea mines. The Navy will receive the new ships, manned and unmanned, between 2025 and 2030. The new mine combat ships will also be developed together with Belgium.
https://www.thedailyherald.sx/islands/76285-navy-to-replace-its-two-multi-purpose-frigates
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Enviado por: NVF em Maio 14, 2018, 06:23:08 pm
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 14, 2018, 07:49:20 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.
Ora nem mais eu até dou de barato termos cinco fragatas, mas que se devia pensar já na aquisição das novas Fragatas para 2035, já não é cedo, pois não tarda nada as actuais fragatas tem 30 e mais anos !!!
Quanto aos restantes tipos de Navios que mencionaste 100% de acordo nas aquisições , principalmente nos Contra Medidas, pois é uma lacuna de bradar aos Céus !!!
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Enviado por: NVF em Maio 14, 2018, 08:03:35 pm
Enviado por: mafets em Maio 15, 2018, 12:26:58 pm
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Aparentemente até os Tailandeses tinham mais visão que nós... ;)
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Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Maio 15, 2018, 03:43:07 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 15, 2018, 05:41:49 pm
Se houvesse pensamento estratégico cá pelo burgo, já estaríamos atrelados a estes projectos: novas M para substituir as actuais a partir de 2035, CSS para substituir o Bérrio e desempenhar algumas funções de NPL e uns 4 MCM para restituir uma capacidade que muita falta faz a um país com uma jurisdição marítima gigantesca, mas que dispõe somente de uma única base naval. Ah, e nunca é demais recordar a enorme lacuna na actual esquadrilha de submarinos: somente dois submarinos.
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:
Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???
Enviado por: Charlie Jaguar em Maio 15, 2018, 06:12:16 pm
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:
Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???
Olha, bem pensado tenente. Mais as duas M holandesas e dois draga-minas e já era um embrulhinho todo catita. :mrgreen:
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 15, 2018, 08:28:34 pm
E não te esqueças do Rotterdam. Só falta pouco mais de ano e meio para a sua chegada à foz do Tejo numa manhã de nevoeiro. :mrgreen:
Numa noite de lua cheia, será que vem escoltado pela BD, CJ ???
Olha, bem pensado tenente. Mais as duas M holandesas e dois draga-minas e já era um embrulhinho todo catita. :mrgreen:
Completamente de acordo e o pacote total por 120 milhões o que achas estás de acordo fechamos já negócio ??!!
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PS acabei de vir de uma inauguração de um restaurante no Infantado e...... :dormir: :dormir: :dormir: :nice: :nice: :amazing:
Enviado por: NVF em Maio 16, 2018, 12:49:30 am
Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 06, 2018, 01:50:30 pm
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Enviado por: tenente em Outubro 06, 2018, 01:56:23 pm
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Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 06, 2018, 07:14:15 pm
At Den Helder naval base, in the background A833 KAREL DOORMAN
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Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 17, 2018, 01:35:32 pm
Dutch OPVs and amphibious ships back in service
Nicholas Fiorenza, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
12 October 2018
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The RNLN OPV Ms. Groningen and its three sister ships are operational again after their sprinkler systems were repaired. Source: Dutch MoD
The Royal Netherlands Navy's (RNLN's) four Holland-class oceangoing patrol vessels (OPVs) and two landing platform docks (LPDs) can go to sea again after their sprinkler systems were repaired, the Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on its website on 9 October.
In November 2017, the ministry announced that patrols by the OPVs Zr. Ms. Holland, Friesland, Zeeland, and Groningen were suspended after the RNLN found a problem with the sprinkler system on Holland .
Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding did the repair work. The sprinkler systems of the amphibious ships Ms. Johan de Witt and Sr. Ms. Rotterdam are also working again and all the installations have been certified and approved, the MoD said.
https://www.janes.com/article/83766/dutch-opvs-and-amphibious-ships-back-in-service
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 09, 2018, 09:20:50 pm
Foi hoje anunciado a construção do novo AOR da marinha real holandesa, o Zr.Ms. Den Helder.
A marinha já anunciou que fará uma licitação de 20 milhões de euros em 2045 quando a Holanda decidir vendê-lo.
Enviado por: Igor em Novembro 09, 2018, 10:50:19 pm
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 10, 2018, 02:08:11 am
Adoro os projectos de contrução naval dos estaleiros holandeses, quer a nivel de sistemas embarcados, bem como a sua arquitectura naval. Ao contrário dos nossos que mais parecem traineiras desenhadas nos anos 80, digo isto em relação aos nossos npos.
São também os meus favoritos. Não fale daquilo dos npo's que é uma aberração e estupidez sem tamanho. Continuar a apostar naquilo por patriotismo bacôco, quando acabou de ser lançado já estava ultrapassado. Em vez de adoptarem um projecto novo de um construtor naval reputado para ficarem actualizados nos avanços na área. São burros como um tijolo e continuam a insistir naquela merda.
Enviado por: typhonman em Novembro 10, 2018, 03:58:13 pm
Adoro os projectos de contrução naval dos estaleiros holandeses, quer a nivel de sistemas embarcados, bem como a sua arquitectura naval. Ao contrário dos nossos que mais parecem traineiras desenhadas nos anos 80, digo isto em relação aos nossos npos.
Vejam aquelas fotos com as redes no sitio do heli... por falar nisso já algum Lynx lá aterrou?
Isto é mesmo a tuga...
São também os meus favoritos. Não fale daquilo dos npo's que é uma aberração e estupidez sem tamanho. Continuar a apostar naquilo por patriotismo bacôco, quando acabou de ser lançado já estava ultrapassado. Em vez de adoptarem um projecto novo de um construtor naval reputado para ficarem actualizados nos avanços na área. São burros como um tijolo e continuam a insistir naquela merda.
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Novembro 10, 2018, 05:24:13 pm
Pelas imagens dá para ver que o CSS Zr.Ms. Den Helder vai estar equipado um canhão de 30mm Marlin WS na proa, 2 RWS Hitrole de 12,7mm a bombordo e a estibordo e um CIWS Goalkeeper. Ao nivel dos sensores vai ter um radar AESA Thales NS 50 ou 100 de última geração.
Enviado por: tenente em Novembro 12, 2018, 10:41:44 am
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Photo: Royal Netherlands Navy
The Royal Netherlands Navy’s new combat support ship that will be delivered in 2023 will be named HNLMS Den Helder, the navy announced on November 9.
As the name of the new ship was announced, the defense ministry also shared a 3D animation of the ship arriving at the Den Helder naval base.
Barbara Visser, state secretary for defense, said this is the first time a Dutch Navy ship will bear the name of Den Helder in recognition of the city’s long-standing cooperation with the navy. Den Helder serves as the logistics base for Dutch and some Belgian warships.
A final contract for the construction of the combat support ship (CSS) will be signed with Dutch shipbuilder Damen in 2019.
The CSS will supply other naval vessels at sea with fuel, ammunition and goods. It will be equipped with two replenishment at sea stations and feature a helicopter deck and hangar for flight operations. There is space for sea containers on the upper deck. For boarding and rescue operations and passenger transport, there are two RHIB motorboats on board.
The future HNLMS Den Helder is the first in a series of new acquisitions for the Royal Netherlands Navy under the country’s 2018 defense white paper. In addition to the CSS, the Dutch Navy will receive new minehunters and frigates that will be procured in collaboration with Belgium.
https://navaltoday.com/2018/11/12/dutch-navys-new-combat-support-ship-to-be-named-hnlms-den-helder/
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Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 12, 2018, 01:25:53 pm
Enviado por: tenente em Novembro 13, 2018, 06:13:12 pm
In 2019, the Mariniers Korps (Marine Corps of The Netherlands) will receive 46 DMV Anaconda 4x4 tactical vehicles. The DMV Anaconda is a completely indigenous and new vehicle designed by DEBA Trucks, a Dutch company (DMV stands for Dutch Military Vehicles).
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Deba's Anaconda tactical vehicle developed for the Korps Marinies of The Netherlands on an Iveco chassis (Picture source: Derba)
The Anaconda project started this year and will be available in several variants. The first 36 DMV Anaconda tactical vehicles developed by the Deba Bedrijfswagens B.V. (Bedrijfswagens means professional vehicles) will be formally transferred to the Mariniers Korps on 31 January 2019. Two months later, another 10 will follow.
The DMV Anaconda is a light 4x4 vehicle in the 7-tonne class. Vehicle is based on an Italian Iveco chassis. The power pack consists of a 3-liter Iveco diesel engine generating 180 HP (430 Nm), coupled to an automatic transmission with one reverse and five forward gears. This enables the vehicle to reach a maximum speed of 110 km/h and a maximum range of 1,000 km.
http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=42&page=11
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Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 28, 2019, 04:17:04 pm
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The Netherlands Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) has contracted Thales to develop a new anti-air warfare system, dubbed the Above Water Warfare System (AWWS), which will be used on the new generation of frigates to be built for the Netherlands and Belgium.
The current multi-purpose (M) frigates in service with the two navies will be replaced as they are reaching the end of their lifecycle. A new generation of M-frigates is scheduled to start entering service in 2024.
Although their primary role will be anti-submarine warfare, the new frigates must be able to independently defend themselves as well as nearby units against air and surface threats.
For this purpose, they will be equipped with AWWS, a new system that will continuously generate the best solution to counter incoming threats. It will consist of a new generation of sensors, coupled with intelligent software that continuously calculates which actions are best suited to tackle each threat detected by radar and other sensors in the right manner. This maximizes the chance of survival, while the crew stays in control.
AWWS will use the fully digital dual-band X/S radar suite: an integral combination of active phased array radar (APAR) and Sea Master 400 radar technologies.
Prior to the AWWS contract, the Dutch defense ministry initiated advanced research into this technology with DMO, TNO and Thales more than ten years ago. This resulted in an agreement for a “technology demonstrator”.
The technology demonstrator will eventually be installed at a shore-based test site for tests and trials.
“For many decades, the naval building cluster, knowledge institutes and defense have been supplying modern and technologically advanced products in what we call the Triple Helix. These products are essential for our national security,” Arie-Jan de Waard, director, DMO. “It is great we are taking an important step for this priority with the development of the AWWS project with Thales.”
https://navaltoday.com/2019/02/28/thales-to-develop-air-warfare-mission-suite-for-new-dutch-belgian-frigates/
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Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 28, 2019, 04:24:29 pm
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The Dutch submarine HNLMS Walrus sits moored to the pier at Submarine Base New London. (John Narewski/U.S. Navy)
The Netherlands’ new batch of submarines may come from the alliance between Dutch and Sweden shipyards. The decision is an attempt to save a dying industry, in a show of solidarity between European Union countries. But investing in Europe while NATO is the main defense provider on the continent is mixing apples and oranges — especially since Sweden isn’t a NATO member.
After many years of loyal service, the small fleet of Walrus-class submarines will soon be retired out of the Dutch Navy. They have served well, despite their old age, and can no longer be extended or upgraded. The new subs will have to be non-nuclear, but top of the line, as the Netherlands expects to keep up the good work it has been providing within NATO operations until now.
In recent years, with the resurrection of Russian military power, an increasing number of incursions into the Baltic Sea, North Sea and Bothnian Sea have been spotted, with the Russians gathering intelligence and re-establishing their blanket of power. The U.K. is no longer able to contain the mountain threat and needs partners inshore (such as the Netherlands), as explained by British Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson: “In 2010, a Royal Navy ship was called on just once to respond to Russian Navy ships approaching U.K. territorial waters. Last year we had to respond 33 times.” Dutch submarine crews have done a good job hounding them so far, much to the satisfaction of NATO, and intend to do even better with the new ships.
So far it is rumored that the ships will be built by a consortium including national shipyard Damen, Swedish shipyard Kockums (a division of Saab) and maybe even German partner ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems — if TKMS survives that long. But this arrangement brings about many questions, and leaves observers puzzled.
The first worry to come to mind is technical and industrial. If Damen and Kockums do get the deal, it will indeed represent a breath of fresh air. Kockums hasn’t received an international order since the 1990s, which means that all its experienced engineers are now retired. The future Dutch subs not being nuclear doesn’t make them simple. Indeed, diesel-electrics are not a thing of the past: In fact, their technology is still roaring and developing fast. A long streak with no contracts, or the outright discovery of such technologies, will come with many trials and errors.
This challenge will be further complicated by Kockums’ recent past. After a heinous divorce from German partner TKMS (who would like to get back in the game), Kockums was reacquired by Saab in 2014, under government pressure. New partnership, new technology, new headquarters, low-production capacity: a lot of “ifs” for one of the most complex armament programs to exist.
Of course, the argument of European solidarity does stand. Europe has had the fantasy to tighten its military cooperation for many years, with regular mentions of a European army, even. Given the unlikelihood of such a development in the near future, starting with armament cooperation does make sense. Or does it?
So far, European defense has been an urban legend more than anything else. There has been some level of cooperation, a few experimental tries and even low-intensity military operations. But the fact remains that Europe is indeed well-defended, but not by Europe. NATO has been the cornerstone of European defense for decades and will likely remain so for many more.
Given that Sweden is an EU member, but not a NATO member, doesn’t building a submarine program with the Swedes amount to feeding the wrong horse? The Netherlands should know, as they are themselves very active NATO members, and fully appreciate, as continental defenders, the concept of military sovereignty.
Sovereignty: the keyword in the matter. In the old days, submarines were little more than underwater ships. Practical, indeed, but just another piece on the chessboard. Nowadays, with the evolution of submarine roles and capacities, they are sovereignty vector.
Submersibles now represent a military capacity to strike anywhere in the world, at a small or large scale, and to be everywhere and nowhere: the very definition of power. But sub programs are immensely complex and sensitive. To be successful, their design must be top notch, secret and properly implemented, and the builder must stay alongside the program throughout its life for maintenance, upgrades and troubleshooting.
The Damen-Kockums partnership, on the other hand, amounts to entrusting a foreign, non-NATO, private company, with limited technological command, with the Netherlands’ most valuable sovereignty vector. Kockums’ last order was the Australian Collins class, which was poorly designed and required levels of maintenance which Kockums struggled to provide. And things would probably get even worse in the case of a joint venture with former partner TKMS, who sold three submarines to bankrupt Greece but didn’t bother delivering them, and whose latest warships were thrown out by the German Navy over defects.
The EU is not a military force, nor will it be anytime soon. There is much to be said about intra-European cooperation, but do the Dutch actually want the country’s (and NATO’s) most valuable military asset to be within the hands of a foreign private company that still has everything to prove in its capacity to successfully carry out submarine programs? NATO has been asking European members to ramp up their defense efforts. For one of Europe’s main defenders to keep on defending Europe, it needs submarines that work.
Günther Hoffmann is a former officer of the Royal Netherlands Navy. Since retiring from the service, he has worked as a part-time civil servant for the Dutch Ministry of Defence, acting as an adviser on technological and industrial issues for the Navy.
http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=368&page=3
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Enviado por: tenente em Março 07, 2019, 08:38:12 pm
Belgian-Dutch MCM - Imtech Belgium - Damen unveiled its solutions
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https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/february/6836-belgian-dutch-mcm-damen-schelde-unveiled-its-solutions.html
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Enviado por: P44 em Março 27, 2019, 10:11:41 am
Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.
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has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
HNLMS %3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.
https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate
Enviado por: tenente em Maio 22, 2019, 07:40:13 pm
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The Belgium Naval & Robotics consortium, composed of Naval Group and ECA Group, officially received a contract for the construction of twelve mine-hunting vessels for the navies of the Netherlands and Belgium.
As revealed, the 12 ships will be equipped with some 100 drones, clustered in ten mission toolboxes.
The contract is worth 2 billion euros over a span of 10 years. Production is scheduled to start after a three-year design phase.
The first ship is expected to be delivered in 2024.
Belgium Naval & Robotics said it would carry out a significant part of the contract in Belgium, in particular the production of certain equipment for the ship and all naval drones. Ship maintenance will be carried out in Zeebrugge in partnership with Flanders Ship Repair (FSR).
The 2800-ton vessels will incorporate an implementation and recovery system for ECA Group’s Inspector 125 unmanned surface vehicles (USV). They are integrated into the C2 MCM Umisoft system connected to the Naval Group’s I4drones system to form the mine-warfare mission system integrated into the ship’s combat system.
The solution includes A18-M autonomous underwater vehicles, T18-M towed sonars and mine identification & destruction systems composed of SEASCAN and KSTER-C remotely operated vehicles. All these drones can be operated autonomously from the USV Inspector 125. The drone system also includes unmanned aerial vehicles and dredgers.
https://navaltoday.com/2019/05/22/belgian-dutch-minehunter-contract-officially-awarded/
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Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 17, 2019, 05:53:35 pm
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The Dutch MoD has downselected the companies bidding to replace its Walrus-class submarines to Naval Group, Saab Kockums, and TKMS. Source: Dutch MoD
The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on its website on 13 December the downselection of companies bidding to replace its Walrus-class diesel submarines. The ministry said Navantia had been eliminated from the competition, leaving Naval Group, Saab Kockums, and Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) to continue.
The MoD stated the requirements for four long-range, multimission submarines able to operate unseen far from their home base. The next phase of the competition will be judged on factors such as best boat for best price, risk management, and ability to protect the Netherlands' national security interests and strategic autonomy, according to the ministry.
The MoD emphasised the importance of involving the Dutch "shipbuilding cluster, including SMEs [small- and medium-size enterprises]". State secretary for defence Barbara Visser said, "The Netherlands' shipbuilding sector must obtain the best possible position in the supply chains of foreign shipyards. A good position as supplier offers Dutch companies and knowledge institutes the chance to increase their own knowledge and that of their customers, benefitting [the Ministry of] Defence."
Saab said in a 13 December press release that it had teamed with Dutch shipbuilder Damen Shipyards to develop an expeditionary submarine to replace the Walrus class, based on the Swedish A26 submarine and the experience of the Swedish-designed Collins-class submarine in service with the Royal Australian Navy.
Naval Group has partnered with Dutch systems integration and subsea system company Royal IHC to offer what the French shipbuilder envisaged in a 13 December press release with an operational profile "very much in line with the mission capabilities of the conventionally powered Barracuda family submarine".
TKMS is offering the U212CD design already in development to meet the joint requirements of Germany and Norway, with Dutch industrial participation and the involvement of technology institutes such as TNO, Marin, and NLR.
https://www.janes.com/article/93222/netherlands-downselects-contenders-for-submarine-replacement
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Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 18, 2019, 10:29:24 am
U212CD :arrow: https://www.defencechronicles.eu/u-212-cd-the-next-norwegian-submarine-but-what-for/
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Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 20, 2019, 11:45:46 am
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Enviado por: goldfinger em Dezembro 23, 2019, 01:18:51 pm
SMART-L MM/N BMD radar installed on first LCF frigate
Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.
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HNLMS
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has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
HNLMS %3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.
https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate
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On 9 March, a major milestone in the development of SMART-L EWC was reached: installed on a test tower in Hengelo, the demonstration module produced its first air picture.
Looking to the west in a 90 degree angle, the radar provided a clear image of the sky over the Netherlands, the North Sea and a part of the UK.
After all systems were switched on for the first time the screen in the control room instantaneously filled with more than a hundred aircraft tracks. Proof that the radar works as expected. The system is operating in AAW mode, with an instrumented range of 480 km. In the course of this year, work on de demonstration module will continue and its performance will increase. Towards the end of the year we expect to be able to operate the system in Ballistic Missile Defence mode, with a range of 2000 km.
In 2012 Thales received a contract from the Royal Netherlands Navy for the update of the four SMART-L volume search radars on board of the De Zeven Provinciën class vessels. This update is to increase the radar’s range to 2000 km, making this sensor suitable for the early detection of ballistic missiles. The first SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability) is expected to be installed on board of the ship in 2018.
In 2015 the Royal Netherlands Air Force contracted two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems as replacements for the aging MPR sensors that are presently guarding the Netherlands’ air space. Together with this contract, the Defence Materiel Organization and Thales signed a contract that committed Thales to all maintenance activities of the four naval and the two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems.
Enviado por: tenente em Dezembro 23, 2019, 01:59:47 pm
SMART-L MM/N BMD radar installed on first LCF frigate
Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
26 March 2019
The Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) air defence and command frigate (LCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën has become the first ship of its class to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar.
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HNLMS
%3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E
has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
HNLMS %3CI%3EDe Zeven Provinciën%3C/I%3E has become the first LCF frigate to receive the new SMART-L MM/N L-band long-range radar. (Thales)
Developed and manufactured by Thales Nederland, the SMART-L MM/N radar (previously known as SMART-L Early Warning Capability [EWC]) is being procured as part of a combat systems upgrade that will confer the RNLN's four LCF ships with a maritime ballistic missile defence (MBMD) early warning capability. This will form part of the Netherlands' national contribution to NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
SMART-L MM/N is a new active electronically scanned array radar, using Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, designed to detect air, surface, and high-speed exo-atmospheric targets out to an instrumented range of 2,000 km.
https://www.janes.com/article/87470/smart-l-mm-n-bmd-radar-installed-on-first-lcf-frigate
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(https://thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/database/d7/assets/images/smart-l_ewc_luchtbeeld_approved_0.jpg)CitarOn 9 March, a major milestone in the development of SMART-L EWC was reached: installed on a test tower in Hengelo, the demonstration module produced its first air picture.
Looking to the west in a 90 degree angle, the radar provided a clear image of the sky over the Netherlands, the North Sea and a part of the UK.
After all systems were switched on for the first time the screen in the control room instantaneously filled with more than a hundred aircraft tracks. Proof that the radar works as expected. The system is operating in AAW mode, with an instrumented range of 480 km. In the course of this year, work on de demonstration module will continue and its performance will increase. Towards the end of the year we expect to be able to operate the system in Ballistic Missile Defence mode, with a range of 2000 km.
In 2012 Thales received a contract from the Royal Netherlands Navy for the update of the four SMART-L volume search radars on board of the De Zeven Provinciën class vessels. This update is to increase the radar’s range to 2000 km, making this sensor suitable for the early detection of ballistic missiles. The first SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability) is expected to be installed on board of the ship in 2018.
In 2015 the Royal Netherlands Air Force contracted two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems as replacements for the aging MPR sensors that are presently guarding the Netherlands’ air space. Together with this contract, the Defence Materiel Organization and Thales signed a contract that committed Thales to all maintenance activities of the four naval and the two ground-based SMART-L EWC systems.
Mesmo á nossa medida este radar, SMART-L EWC (Early Warning Capability).
Pena é que quando estiverem á venda, estas quatro fragatas, se houver alguém que licite as quatro, terá vantagens em relação a Portugal, que apenas se irá candidatar a comprar duas unidades !!
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Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 03, 2020, 06:14:31 pm
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The Royal Netherlands Navy’s amphibious transport ship Johan de Witt will receive a midlife upgrade (MLU) as it has almost reached the halfway point of its expected lifecycle.
The upgrade will guarantee its capabilities until 2032 and keep the ship operational, Dutch shipbuilder Damen said.
Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding and RH Marine, which specializes in maritime electrical and automation systems, are carrying out the contract with the Defence Material Organization and the Naval Maintenance and Sustainment Agency, the maintenance branch of the navy.
On January 31, contracts were signed with Damen Schelde and RH Marine, with works expected to start in late 2021.
The preparatory phase is now ready and the contracts concern the basic design phase. This is followed by detailed engineering, after which work preparation and execution can start. For efficiency reasons, the MLU is combined with planned periodic maintenance, according to Damen.
In the basic design phase, more than 60 MLU modifications and the maintenance works are processed into a well-functioning overall plan. The modifications vary from installing additional weapon systems to solving structural problems.
This also includes upgrading automation systems, networks, installing modern sports facilities and modernizing medical facilities.
https://navaltoday.com/2020/02/03/dutch-amphibious-transport-ship-to-undergo-midlife-upgrade/
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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 03, 2020, 07:24:23 pm
Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 14, 2020, 01:03:21 pm
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Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 10:14:23 am
Richard Scott, London - Jane's Navy International
19 February 2020
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An artist’s impression of the new combat support ship, Den Helder, to be built by Damen for the RNLN Source: Damen
The Netherlands' Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) has contracted Damen Shipyards Group for the construction of a new combat support ship (CSS) for the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN).
To be named HNLMS Den Helder , the new vessel will restore the dedicated afloat support capability lost when the replenishment vessel HNLMS Amsterdam was decommissioned as a savings measure in December 2014.
The contract was signed by the DMO and Damen on 19 February, and calls for delivery in the second quarter of 2024. Following trials and work up, Den Helder is expected to achieve operational status with the RNLN in the second quarter of 2025.
The design of Den Helder is derived from that of the RNLN's joint support ship HNLMS Karel Doorman . Approaching 200 m in length and displacing 22,000 tonnes at full load, the new ship will have a crew of 75, plus accommodation for an additional 75 people on board. Two replenishment-at-sea stations will be fitted for the transfer of fuel, dry stores and ammunition, and there will be space to carry approximately 20 containers as deck cargo.
A flight deck and hangar facility provide for the operation and support of rotary-wing aircraft. Two rigid-hull inflatable boats will be carried for boarding and rescue operations and passengers. There will also be provision to carry two 9.5 m FRISC (Fast Raiding, Interception and Special forces Craft) interceptors.
A diesel-electric propulsion system is specified, with twin shafts each driving fixed pitch propellers. Maximum speed will be over 18 kt.
The design process has paid close attention to reducing fuel consumption and exhaust emissions (to meet IMO Tier III regulations on nitrogen oxide emissions). According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), the combination of propulsion system, hull shape and propeller design reduces fuel consumption by around 6% compared to Karel Doorman .
https://www.janes.com/article/94412/damen-awarded-contract-for-new-rnln-support-ship