Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 08, 2004, 09:54:05 pm
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The MiG 1.42 Mnogofunktsionalny Frontovoi Istrebitel (Multifunctional Frontline Fighter), or MFI, was designed as a response to the American F-22. Its makers, MAPO-MiG, say it will be able to outperform the most advanced US fighter, the F-22 Raptor. Like the F-22, the MiG 1.42 has a "thrust vectoring" system that gives it greater manueverability than current fighters. It also has similar stealth capabilities, employing composite materials, a special shape, S-shaped compressor channels, internal weapon storage, and perhaps an active radar cancellation system or a plasma cloud stealth system to avoid detection. Considering previous Russian fighters, such as the super-maneuverable Su-37, the MiG 1.42 will definitely enjoy greater maneuverability. Additionally, MAPO-MiG also claims that it would be stealthier than the F-22. And, since it is bigger, the MiG 1.42 will have a greater range. The MiG 1.42 is a twin-engine aircraft with a cranked delta wing, canards, twin tail fins, jet intakes under the nose, and 3D vectoring nozzles. It features the new Phazotron N-014 phased array fire control radar as well as a rear-facing N-012 radar. Even though the 70 million dollar MiG 1.42 costs less than half of the F-22's $150 million, the cash-strapped Russian military cannot afford it. However, the Russian government may try to market the aircraft to India and China.
SPECIFICATIONS
Length: 20 meters
Height: 5.6 meters
Wingspan: 15 meters
Take-off Weight: 28500 kg.
Main Propulsion: 2 Lyulka-Saturn AL-41F with 3D thrust vectoring
Thrust: 18500 kg.
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Maximum Altitude: 18500 meters
Range: 4000+ km (2,500+ miles)
Armaments Capacity: 6500 on 12 internal stations
Armaments: Everything in VVS fighter weapons inventory, including R-77 missiles.
MFI would also have some special weapons, like ultra-long-range AA missiles (Novator).
Radar Equipment: Forward and rearward facing radars; forward-facing radar N-014 phased array with electronically-scanned antenna - simultaneous tracking of 40 and engagement of up to 20 targets; effective range against a fighter-sized target: 420km, extended AS capability, ground mapping capability; rearward-facing radar N-012.
Stealth Features: Composite RAM, S-shaped compressor channels, internal weapons storage, LO airframe geometry, perhaps an active radar cancellation system or a plasma cloud stealth system
Mais um avião da poderosa industria aeronáutica russa, apesar de ainda não se saber se efectivamente entrará na fase de produção em série.
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 08, 2004, 10:11:39 pm
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el MIG-MFI viene siendo desarrollado desde hace 15 años, ahora que se echen para atras no es posible, yo se que se suspendio el projecto y despues fue continuado y el Mig 1.42 no esta muerto, la MIG-MAPO confirmo que proveera los fondos para el desarrollo del Mig 1.42, lo dijeron y no es mentira lo que te digo, muchos bancos estan interesados en financiar el desarrollo y hasta China esta interesada por dar su tajada, pero russia ni loca aceptara, el Mig- 1.42 ya fue mostrado internacionalmente y hasta el Ministro de defensa estuvo de acuerdo enque se siguieran los desarrollos del Mig 1.42 cual es el señor Igor Sergevev, ademas el projecto PAK-YAK ni tan siquiera tiene un prototipo listo y el Berkut no es del todo Stealth mas bien es como un F-117 que puede pasar desapercibido pero lo puede pillar en algun momento, russia estuvo desarrollando este projecto especialmente para hacerle frente al F-22 Raptor y ahora para que deje el projecto.
Como todo o armento recente na Russia é algo incerto e há informações contraditórias, mas ao que parece também tinham adptado as melhores caracteristicas do MIG 1.42 ao T-50 PAK-YAK. Falava-se que MIG 1.44 só tinha voado 2 vezes outros dizem que tem mais de 100 horas de voo, uns dizem que o projecto morreu enquanto outros dizem que está á espera de fundos ou que será substiutido por outro programa.
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Pedro Figueiredo porque é que retirou a sua mensagem?
Enviado por: dremanu em Junho 08, 2004, 11:20:36 pm
Enviado por: FFAP em Junho 08, 2004, 11:34:30 pm
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Pedro Figueiredo porque é que retirou a sua mensagem?
Tinha as datas erradas e foi pesquisar um pouco, aqui vai:
(Retirado do FAS)
" MiG-35 / 1.42 Multirole Front-Line Fighter [MFI]
The new MiG Multirole Front-Line Fighter [MFI - Mnogofounksionalni Frontovoi Istrebiel ] was unveiled publicly on 12 January 1999. The project has been under development since 1986, is variously designated the 1.42, the 1.44, I-42 and I-44 - the "MiG-35" and "MiG-39" designations are informally applied by some observers. This multi-functional front-line fifth-generation fighter was developed by the MIG [Mikoyan & Gurevich] aviation scientific and production complex of the MAPO military-industrial corporation. The first prototype was delivered early in 1994, and in December 1884 taxi-tests were conducted following which further work was suspended due to a shortage of funds. The 35-ton fighter features a single under-fuselage air intake with two AL41F engines of 20 tons thrust each, and a top speed of over 2,500 km/h. The twin-tail "duck" planform features an all-moving canard-type foreplane with a wingspan of about 15 meters and a length of about 20 meters.
The MAPO-MiG enterprise claims the new fighter would be able to outperform the F-22 Raptor, the most advanced US air-superiority fighter. Although the primary mission of the MFI is air-superiority, unlike the F-22 the MFI is also capable of performing strike mission, and thus in both conception and configuration is more directly comparable to the similar multi-role EFA2000 Eurofighter. Like the American F-22, the MFI has a thrust vectoring system that allows it to make sharp turns. It also has similar stealth capabilities, with the canard, wing and fuselage structures incorporating carbon-fiber and polymer composite materials. Other stealth features include radar-absorbing covering, screening of radar-visible structure elements, and reduced heat signature. The fifth-generation pulse-doppler radar has a phased-array andtenna with electronic scanning to simultaneously attack over 20 targets. The aircraft can carry long-range air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, and it is armed with a 30-mm cannon.
In March 1997, military officials scrapped plans to manufacture the MFI because it was too expensive. The Defense Ministry supports the MFI development program, and will decide on production following flight tests that could take up to seven years. The Russian air force will not gain one new, state-of-the-art warplane before the year 2005 because of insufficient financing. No new warplanes have been acquired since 1996. "
A Russia se tivesse o dinheiro que os Estados Unidos têm estrai tão bem equipada como eles, mas falta o money, se bem que a economia russa esteja crescer qualquer coisa como 6 a 8 por cento ao ano!!
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Enviado por: emarques em Junho 08, 2004, 11:35:04 pm
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Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 08, 2004, 11:55:15 pm
Enviado por: Spectral em Junho 08, 2004, 11:59:15 pm
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Não sei porquê, mas parece-me que a história de esse avião ser furtivo é um bocado treta. Deve ser como o Typhoon, que também dizem que é "bastante furtivo" (até são parecidos e tudo... ).
São situações diferentes. No caso do Rafale e do EF está provado oficialmente que os aparelhos sofreram modificações extensivas em meados dos anos 90 no desenho e nos materiais, de modo a torná-los mais "stealthy". No caso deste, nada se sabe, e tirando medidas muito pontuais, eu diria que é tudo conversa de vendedor.
A conversa de ser melhor que o F-22 a metade do preço (já agora, o F-22 por enquanto custa ainda custa mais) é pura e simplesmente propaganda para ver se arranjam algum comprador.
Compradores?
A China avançou para o Flanker e para o doméstico J-10.
A Índia escolheu o Su-30MKK e vai participar no PAK-FA.
A Russia já anunciou que o sucessor dos Flankers e Fulcrums será o PAK-FA, um aparelho que está neste momento a ser projectado. Incorporá tecnologias do Mig 1.44 e do Su-37 /S-37, mas será desenvolvido pela Sukhoi. Mas o PAK-FA não será decididamente nenhum destes protótipos.
Logo o Mig 1.42/1.44 deve ser arrumada na gaveta dos projectos que chegaram à fase de protótipo e foram testados, mas que não encontraram compradores-
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Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 09, 2004, 12:32:59 am
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Enviado por: NVF em Junho 09, 2004, 01:11:34 am
Não houve em tempos uns posts sobre este tema? Fábio, você deve ter algo a dizer sobre o assunto.
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 09, 2004, 01:42:58 am
Enviado por: komet em Junho 09, 2004, 01:48:54 am
No entanto pergunto-me se esse sistema não gera outro tipo de emissões possiveis de detectar, nomeadamente outro tipo de radiações, calor, etc?
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 09, 2004, 11:31:45 am
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 09, 2004, 11:56:17 am
Enviado por: Rui Elias em Junho 09, 2004, 03:39:12 pm
Serão mesmo mais baratos?
Acredito que sim, mas o que por vezes tem feito a diferença não é a qualidade das aeronaves nem as suas capacidades, embora admita que posam ser em alguns aspectos tecnológicos menos avançadas que as americanas ou europeias, mas sobretudo o nível de preparação e treinamento dos pilotos.
Enviado por: Spectral em Junho 09, 2004, 07:02:37 pm
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/plasma/index.htm
Tendo em atenção que este site é descaradamente pró-russo, portanto há que ter um certo cuidado a ler as coisas.
Esta tecnologia nunca foi demonstrada de um modo independente, e aperentemente, os russos vão abandoná-la no PAK-FA seguindo uma via mais "tradicional" de stealth.
Eu diria que com esta tecnologia activada o avião seria um farol no espectro dos infravermelhos, mas é apenas uma suposição minha...
Enviado por: JNSA em Junho 10, 2004, 12:23:14 am
Mas esperemos para ver o que os Russos inventam..
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 10, 2004, 01:00:57 pm
Eu diria que a China em vez de ter um departamento de I&D teria um de C&D, ou seja cópia e desenvolvimento. :lol:
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J-10
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Enviado por: JNSA em Junho 11, 2004, 11:36:41 am
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Eu não duvido que a Russia aposte pelo PAK FA, porque o projecto já está em "andamento" e o unico que poderá travar este projecto poderá ser os cortes no orçamento ou a falta de orçamento, agora resta ver se estará á altura do F-22.
Parece-me que o PAK-FA será mais um equivalente do F-35 do que do F-22... E ainda estou para ver a capacidade de processamento de dados dos computadores de bordo dos aviões russos - sim, porque um avião de 5ª geração exige não só capacidades stealth, mas também a chamada "sensor fusion".
Ora os russos têm os melhores caças de 4ª geração, com os hiper-manobráveis e potentes Su-30 e Su-35 (e futuramente com o Su-32/Su-32FN/Su-34, ou como raio é que eles lhe chamam agora, que vai complementar o PAK-FA nas missões de ataque). Mas passar para um caça de 5ª geração (ou de 4ª geração "e meia", como os Rafale, EF2000 e Grippen, embora estas classificações sejam sempre relativas :lol:
Enviado por: Spectral em Junho 11, 2004, 08:20:37 pm
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Parece-me que o PAK-FA será mais um equivalente do F-35 do que do F-22...
O PAK-FA tem sido definido da seguinte maneira : menor que um Flanker e maior que um Fulcrum; e com a ênfase no combate ar-ar, com uma missão de ataque ao solo secundária. O principal aparelho de ataque será o Su-27IB/32/34 ( :wink: , que está agora a entrar em produção.
Aqui está uma imagem, do primeiro exemplar de produção:
http://tassphoto.com/images/photo/orig/d186/449.JPG
(é grande)
Impressionante não ?
O futuro do Su-35 parece estar dependente do Brasil. Se eles não o escolherem, então vai passar à história...
Enviado por: Ricardo Nunes em Junho 11, 2004, 09:30:33 pm
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grrr, vcs sabem qual é, o Flanker de 2 lugares em tandem , que está agora a entrar em produção
Caro Spectral, tandem é disposição vertical - um atrás e um à frente. Desculpe a correcção.
Um grande abraço!
Enviado por: Spectral em Junho 11, 2004, 09:36:53 pm
devia ser então -2 lugares um ao lado do outro-
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 11, 2004, 09:45:50 pm
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Enviado por: emarques em Junho 11, 2004, 10:30:36 pm
Enviado por: Fábio G. em Junho 11, 2004, 11:17:00 pm
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The J-12 or the XXJ is China's fifth generation. The revealed design shows an aircraft with a stelthy appearence and the capabilities of a fifth generation fighter. The program is refered to as F-12 in China.
The office of the Naval Intelligence revealed the existance of this project. The ONI believes that the Chinese researchers have begun studies on the design concept. The studies are conducted by Chengdu aircraft manufacturing plant and they are considering a twin engine version for the aircraft and is believed to have a single and twing seat configuration.
The J-12 is expected to enter service in the year 2015. There may be a dalay in this expectation as the Chinese lack the capability to build some of the vital systems on the aircraft such as the Radar absorbant material and most important the engine which is believed to be a thrust vectoring engine. This means that the Chinese would have to purchase equipment from Russia. But the provision of such equipment by Russia is still a question as Russia denied the sale of engines for the Super-7 project because of pressure from one of Russia's allies. The Super-7 project is almost nearing a state in which it will be scrapped.
Another main problem with the Chinese is that they have no fourth generation fighters except for the Su-27s which are made in lisence production. This would mean a generation leap fo the Chinese. Though the J-12 belongs to the same generation to that of the F-22 and the MiG-MFI/LFI it would be far more inferior to those aircraft in many ways.
Quanto a essa pintura não tenho grande conhecimento mas penso que tem a ver com a capacidade anti-radar do avião, ou seja tentar alguma absorção das ondas de radar e dificultar a sua detecção, quanto á cor não sei se terá a ver com isso ou com o céu.
Enviado por: Spectral em Junho 18, 2004, 01:53:55 pm
Quanto ao Mig 1.44 há notícias importantes. Parece que a MiG ainda não desistiu dele:
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RSK MiG Resumes Work on Project 1.44
By 2008, the corporation's orders on hand will be 6 million dollars
RSK MiG management received a delegation of State Duma deputies on 10 June. The corporation's general director, Valeriy Toryanin, and deputy director of the RSK MiG Engineering Center, Andrey Karasev, gave a presentation on the enterprise for the legislators, and also displayed the shop for experimental production to them.
Included in the delegation were the first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Aleksey Sigutkin, the chairman of the Expert Council on Questions of Aviation and Cosmonautics and member of the State Duma Committee on Industry, Construction and High Technology, Aleksandr Belousov, deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee n Industry, Construction and High Technology, Yuriy Savel'ev, and deputy chair of the State Duma Defense Committee, Svetlana Savitskaya. ((Savitskaya is a former pilot who has set world-class records for women in various aircraft.)) According to Aleksey Sigutkin, the deputies visited RSK MiG in order to have a real concept of the enterprise's condition. In the near future it is planned to undertake another series of excursions around the design bureaus and plants of the aircraft building industry.
Appearing before the deputies, the RSK MiG general director Valeriy Toryanin noted that recently, after the change of the corporation's management, definite progress in its development is being observed. In particular, the orders on hand for the year has increased from 1.4 to 2.6 billion dollars, and by 2008, it is intended to extend it to 6 billion dollars. There are all the prerequisites for it. The corporation has new developments and upgrade variants of previously manufactured aircraft which are of interest to foreign customers. "Ever newer and newer customers appear with every day who wish to buy new modifications of the MiG-29 fighter," Valeriy Toryanin noted. The right of independent export of its product and also a significant production potential are enabling RSK MiG's firm position in the marketplace. The enterprises included in the corporation are providing a full cycle of an airplane's life - from development to utilization. RSK MiG's capabilities allow the execution of practically any contract. The corporation's production facilities are estimated for the production of 200 MiG-29 type fighters a year. As of today, the are at approximately 35% of capacity.
The deputy director of the RSK MiG Engineering Center, Andrey Karasev, named as most prospective for Russian and foreign air forces such RSK MiG aircraft as the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB and the MiG-29SM and MiG-29SMT fighters produced earlier are being upgraded to this level, the MiG-29M/M2 are completely new and the most modern airplanes of the family, which will be delivered to customers from 2005-2006, and also the MiG-AT new generation combat training airplane and MiG-31 interceptor, experimental design work on its completion is being performed in the interests of the Russian Federation air force.
Work also is not stopping at the MiG firm on the fifth generation fighter. As Andrey Karasev declared, "three weeks ago the general director of our corporation adopted a decision regarding the unfolding of further work on the 1.44 airplane." In the opinion of the Engineering Center's deputy director, the realization of this project will be less costly and simpler for Russia than the creation of a new fighter, inasmuch as all technical developments on the 1.44 airplane connected with the engine, aerodynamics, and primary airplane systems have not gone out of date. Only the avionics need be substituted, which have been developing rapidly in recent years. According to Andrey Karasev, a task to resume tests of the 1.44 airplane before the end of 2004 has been delivered to the Engineering Center. In Andrey Karasev's opinion, the circumstance, that the idea of heavy fighter has been chosen as fundamental for the Russian air force, should not nullify the great amount of work carried out at the MiG firm on the creation of a fifth generation airplane.
State Duma deputies examined the experimental production shop and the static tests hall with great interest. As Aleksey Sigutkin noted, RSK MiG is operating in the complex conditions of a tough competitive struggle, but at the same time it is noted that the corporation is picking up steam. "There are problems, however, management sees how to resolve them."
Aleksandr Belousov, who also heads the expert council on questions of aviation and cosmonautics, noted that the level of equipping the Russian air force is causing anxiety against the background of RSK MiG's successful activity in the area of military and technical cooperation. In his opinion, "aircraft should be created which are a generation above those that go for export." By all appearances, it is necessary for the elected representatives of the people to work in this direction too. You see, according to Aleksandr Belousov, "without the creation of a complete legislative base, it simply is not possible for say that Russia will recover for itself the laurels of a great aviation power".
Source: 17.06.04, Voenno-Promyshlennyy Kur'er
Via fórum AFM.