Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:05:04 am
vejam o que este diz dos povos hospitaleiros
The friendliness of people ( and women )of a certain country towards you depends on several factors:
1) The difference in GDP between your country and theirs. The formula is this: Your country's yearly GDP /Her Country GDP= friendliness factor. I.e. $24000/$2400= 10. That means they will be ten times friendlier to you than women in your own country. Before you choose the place to go to, check out the GDP there and you will be able to calculate the friendliness factor with relative accuracy.
2) Similar religion- the more similar the better.
3) Race: the more similar, the better and/or the lighter the better.
4) With very few exceptions, the money factor will override all the other differences. If the factor 2 and 3 is any problem, more cash thrown at the situation will normally sway it in your favor.
The degree of scorn piled upon you, by the same token, will also be in proportion to how many times the GDP of the host nation is greater than that of the nation you come from.
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Many things that your parents taught you about " That is the way the world is" are actually about the way things are in the country you are living in. While many social laws are universal- such as "nobody likes poor people"- (and even that is not true in all places- Communist countries, in fact, deify poor people), many other social laws vary from country to country and culture to culture. Conversely, many things that we think are proper of our country and only happen here, actually happen in other places, as well, and are just inherently human. So, when they tell you that "people are like that" or " society does not accept that" they are often talking about people and society in your country. A few hours' flight and things are as different as they can be- people are no longer "like that" and "society now accepts" whatever it did not accept back home. The same goes for ways to attract the opposite sex. What is considered to be a sure-fire- ( or imperative) way to get women in your country is no longer required. I for one, do not need to be spending three hours a day in the gym, have a Mercedes and buy elevator shoes to get a date in the Philippines.
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International travelers often confuse hospitality towards a guest with acceptance, and politeness towards visitors, with friendliness. They also confuse good customer service given to a ( perceived) rich foreigner with sincere admiration. If you really want to see how accepting a certain culture is, try settling down in that country and doing business with the local people. Often, the countries that are the most hospitable and polite to guests are the ones that are extremely hostile to those who want to stay in them for good. By the same token, countries in which people seem to be mean and inhospitable to visitors turn out to be fairly accepting to those who want to settle down and assimilate. It is as if hospitality and politeness were exact opposites of acceptance and friendliness.
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Fanatical patriots, cultural snobs, "my country is the best" arrogant nationalists, isolationists, ethnic and religious fundamentalists, racists and other such types miss out on huge opportunities to avail themselves of all the great wonders that an international lifestyle can provide. With 200 countries in the world, they think that only one country is the best and " has it all" and they do not take advantage of what the other 199 can confer upon them. They miss out on job opportunities, great natural sceneries, unique products, low prices, delicious foods and great friendships, romance and exquisite sexual delights that they can taste/obtain/partake in. However, because they do not know what abundant treasures are out there, they will still be happy in their country with what little they have for they do not know just *how* little they have. Ignorance truly is bliss. All that suits us just fine since we do not want them to compete with us for all these great jobs, women and other such foreign treasures, anyway.
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No country has it all, and most countries are heavily weighed in one direction and are severely poor in another area. Countries that are materially rich are poor spiritually and socially. Countries with best jobs opportunities cannot usually provide too many gorgeous dates. Countries with most beautiful women have bad economies and rotten politics. It, therefore, stands to reason that in order to have it all, living in more than one country is often a necessity.
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Jobs and women are some of the most untouchable treasures of a nation. Nobody likes a poor and/or not very ed.ucated foreigner looking for jobs and/or women in a richer country. He will get bad or no jobs and most probably, no women at all. Everybody, though, likes a rich tourist/ investor coming to the country with money. In the case of the investors, women will be available for marriage and other things depending on how much money he has. Rich tourists will have to avail themselves of less permanent love arrangements.
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The richer the country, the colder, more arrogant, and unfriendly are its people. It also seems that, the richer the country, the lonelier, less sociable, more self-absorbed and less happy most people are. Beautiful, clean and prosperous, highly advanced countries have huge numbers of zombie-like inhabitants who are extremely unhelpful and selfish. It seems that money, good cars, good clothes and technological progress make masses of people less happy. It does not mean, however, that poverty is what makes people happy. It seems that countries that have* just enough* rather than * too much* or *too little* have the healthiest, happiest populations.
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Media propaganda and stereotypes of how people in certain countries are, are almost always untrue. Not only they are untrue, the people in those countries often turn out to be the exact opposites of what you were taught they were. For better or for worse. Nationalities that were supposed to be unfriendly turn out to be very friendly and the ones that we were taught were friendly, turn out to be very hostile, indeed. That goes for other supposedly national characteristics as well.
Not only that, but once you start traveling, you will see that many things that you thought were true about your own country turn out to be untrue. They always taught you that your country was the best, the freests with the friendliest, most generous people. Maybe even the best girls. As you discover freeer countries with better people and more beautiful girls, a shock sets in.
Most views of other countries through the media are either completely false or are wild exaggerations. If you think that in Africa people live in trees with snakes around their necks and eat grass, you will probably not go there and will not take advantage of getting to know great, prosperous people, see their modern cities full of cars and skyscrapers, will not make new friends and learn about a beautiful culture, music and diversity that exists there. If you think of the Philippines or Brazil as a dangerous and violent countries, you will not travel to them to meet their high quality women. If you think of the Middle East as a camel- riding, terrorist-infested society, you will not go there to work and make your tax- free fortune. Which is fine with me as I will have less competition.
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What people call you and how they see you, and even your race and nationality/identity changes as you go from country to country. A person who was known as "Black" in the US all his life discovers that he is now "American" or even "white" as he moves to Africa. Very few Italians, Puerto Ricans, and Poles from the US are seen as such when they go back to 'their countries". They are just referred to as "Americans". People who were "Chinese" in Malaysia all their lives become "Malaysians" when they go to China. People who thought of themselves as short become tall as they go to a society where average height is lower. Men of average looks become handsome in the Philippines and handsome men from the US become average in Italy. Average girls from E. Europe and Asia become "gorgeous" in the US. Popular American women become unsighly nobodys and unneeded white elephants in Asia and E. Europe.
By knowing how the perception of you will change, you can find places where people like yourself fit in better or are afforded more admiration and higher status. You can even use many things that were disadvantageous socially in your country to your advantage in another. A Spanish-speaking person in the US, for one, will not get as much admiration there as he would in Quebec, Canada, where Spanish language is seen as extremely romantic and a sign of status. A man who is 5'7" in the US and who is pumping iron to make up for his short stature in America, will not be called a "shorty" in Japan or Vietnam and will not feel insecure as he often would back in the US. Actually, it will be to his advantage not to stick out like a sore thumb. He will have all the dates he wants once he goes to the right country. If Collin Powell wanted it, he could move to Sudan and become a white man there. He is one to the Sudanese according to the African culture. One drop of Black blood in the US makes you black but 25% white blood in most African Americans make them "white" in Africa.
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What is good or bad varies from culture to culture. What is normal, accepted and legal behavior in one country will land you in jail in another or even get you killed. While the "Fahreneit 9/11" movie is legal in the US, such a movie made about a president of some other country will not be released and its author ( and all his crew) will be imprisoned or killed. A Dutchman who is used to being able to buy marijuana at any time, will feel that the US is very repressive when it comes to such things. A Kenyan may not criticise his president openly but he can have twelve wives and build a village for his one husband- twelve wife family. In the US, he will be jailed for poligamy-a separate sentence for each wife above one.
As an international traveler, one should be aware of such legal and cultural freedoms and restrictions and be very careful and discreet. Coming back home and bragging about things that you did abroad where they were legal or trying to do things that were legal at home but not legal abroad may prove to be your undoing. Extreme discretion is therefore highly advised. Most people (and judges) are not travelers and will not understand your international view on such things.
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Contrary to the Hollywood image of how things are, most of the world does not treat Americans as heroes. Most people in the "non-white" world cannot even tell an American from a German or a Russian. You may think of yourself as such ( an American) but they have their own name for you ( such as White Ghost) and will dump you together with the above groups just like you would often dump all people that you perceive to be of one race into one group. It is called "distance decay". A Korean would not put himself into the same category with Mongolians, Japanese and Aleuts, but he would put all white Americans, Canadians, Brits, Iranians and Czechs into one blurred " nationality". A Black African would go even further: he can distinguish different people and tribes in Africa with amazing clarity and sees it as a very diverse place, but a Japanese and a British tourist look exactly the same to him and he cannot tell them apart- they are not Black, the skin is light- they are, therefore, of one nationality. Westerners, of course, cannot tell different Africans apart at all but can probably tell each other apart quite easily.
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According to Hollywood, all people in the world speak English with perfect grammar but with slight foreign accents. If the country is "bad", then the accent is sharper and more unpleasant. If the country is good, then the accent is barely audible. But the grammar is usually perfect. All the tenses are in place, the irregular verbs are used perfectly, the conditionals are immaculate, the vocabulary is copious.
Actually only some 8% of the world speaks English as the first language and some 20% speak it as a second language- which means imperfectly- past tense is not used, conditionals are of the variety : "If you come yesterday, I have the food, but you come today, I no have food".
About 70+% of the world does not speak English at all. And they have no plans to. If you are a brief tourist in a country whose language is not English, it is OK to get around using an interpreter or an English-speaking guide. If, however, you are planning on going to another, non-English-speaking country to live and work for an extended time period, and you are not making an effort to learn their language you are committing a serious act of disrespect.
People from the "Anglo" countries have a particularly big psychological block when it comes to learning foreign languages- for one, many natives want to practice English with them. Second, culturally, they have been taught that the world "kind of" speaks English and if it does not, it soon will. Plus, in the US, UK, Canada, etc. people have been taught to be practical- if it is not absolutely necessary, then one should not waste his time doing it. English is enough.
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Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:19:25 am
Most countries have an overinflated view of themselves and their role in the world. In Thailand they think that the whole world knows their king and that he is some great world leader next to Kofi Annan ( sp). In the US, they think that events in the US, especially the 9/11 "changed the world forever". Also, that every human being on the face of the earth would rather be living in the US than back in his country.
In Arab countries, they think that the entire world is looking to them to be taken out of darkness and to be converted to Islam.
The Russians think that the most important event of the 20th century was the October Revolution of 1917.
Again, the countries, their media and educational systems confuse "our country" with " the world". Most people do not know Thai king's name and have never seen him. Most people like to live in their countries and 9/11 changed *the US* forever, but people in Bhutan, Lithuania and Mali were not changed by the 9/11 events which took place in a country very far away from theirs.
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:30:51 am
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa
Enviado por: SSK em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:50:42 am
Citação de: "macholuso"
uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa
E que tal um pouco de respeito e diser simplesmente brazileiros da mesma forma como disse argentinos. Uma questão de respeito pelos nossos caros foristas brazileiros. Não andei com eles na escola...
Ah e já agora SUIÇA...
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 01:00:41 am
Citação de: "SSK"
Citação de: "macholuso"uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa :shock:
para equilibrar as coisas:
Ingleses - bifes
alemães- boches
americanos - yankee rednecks
franceses- rãs
canadianos- kanucks
neozelandeses - sheepshaggers
chineses- wogs
holandeses- cheeseheads
Enviado por: André em Agosto 23, 2007, 01:06:31 am
Citação de: "macholuso"
alemães- boches
Alemães - Também pode ser hamburgers ou salsichas
Russos - Rissois
Espanhois - Tapas
Para completar
Enviado por: turkiko em Agosto 23, 2007, 10:35:40 am
Agora tambem um pouco de respeito por quem de fora para aqui trabalhar ou ver se arranja trabalho, porque sem eles julgo neste momento não estavamos a ter crescimento económico.
Referenciar um estrangeiro com alcunhas só para achincalhar, não é digno de um povo, a superioridade deste é quando o acolhe e respeita outro povo. Nós tivemos no passado com os descobrimentos esse exemplo, porque nos integramos com estes, embora muitas outras coisas más tenhamos feito tambem.
Mesmo aqui neste "Burgo" não somos as pessoas mais cordiais e hospitaleiras com os que cá nasceram!!
A ignorância dá lugar á expeculação, não á verdade.
Cumprimentos,
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 11:07:13 am
Citação de: "turkiko"
Nós aqui neste "Burgo" tambem temos alcunhas, eu por exemplo sou Tripeiro(e com orgulho), e por este Portugal fora existe outras formas de alcunharmo-nos ou alcunhar.
Agora tambem um pouco de respeito por quem de fora para aqui trabalhar ou ver se arranja trabalho, porque sem eles julgo neste momento não estavamos a ter crescimento económico.
Referenciar um estrangeiro com alcunhas só para achincalhar, não é digno de um povo, a superioridade deste é quando o acolhe e respeita outro povo. Nós tivemos no passado com os descobrimentos esse exemplo, porque nos integramos com estes, embora muitas outras coisas más tenhamos feito tambem.
Mesmo aqui neste "Burgo" não somos as pessoas mais cordiais e hospitaleiras com os que cá nasceram!!
A ignorância dá lugar á expeculação, não á verdade.
depende da perspectiva.
eu não levo alcunhas a sério nem me ofendo, o problema é dos outros se são demasiado sensíveis.Tambem só uso alcunhas na primeira vez que falo com um estranho. :twisted: :idea:
Cumprimentos,
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 11:23:36 am
As you travel you will visit many countries who had been colonized by one or another colonial power. You will also probably become aware of a strange paradox- usually, if Country A was Colonized by Country B, and Country B was richer and more developed than Country A, many of the natives of Country A will continue loving and admiring it long after the independence; despite the horrors perpetrated by the colonial power on its soil. It does not matter that Country B was dictatorial and oppressive. It does not matter that it had killed and tortured the natives of Country A. Many people there will love and respect the culture of Country B and treat Country B tourists and investors with supreme welcome. On their vacations, they will yearn to go to visit the former overlords' capital city and brag to their family and friends of their travel to that place.
In Latin American countries, anything that is related to Spain is still seen as sophisticated and proper. Never mind that Spain destroyed so much culture of South America and so many natives died from deseases brought there by the Spaniards. They were masters and they were stronger than S. Americans. They were richer, too- through stolen wealth, but hey, it does not matter.
The admiration for anything Spanish is alive and well there. Being fluent in the Spanish language is seen as a sign of being cultured and "high-class". Listening to music from Spain is also seen as something very respectworthy.
In the US, a person with a British accent is seen as someone very intelligent, and one of the main destinations of American tourists is still Britain.
In the Philippines, after all the struggle for independence, the natives proudly display American symbols and wear bright T-shirts with letters "USA" on them. The dream of many a Filipino is still to go the States.
Malaysians also love going to London on holidays and British tourists are received with a big smile
and a warm handshake when they visit Kuala Lumpur. Tunisians and Moroccans look up to France. The dream of many a Ukrainian is to go to Moscow to live. Taiwanese teens go crazy about Japanese music and culture.
However, if the colonizers was poorer than the colonized, the former colonial subjects have nothing but scorn for them. The Balts discriminate againts the Russians and do not want them in their countries but may look up to Germany inspite of what the Germans had done there. The Vietnamese have the same scornful attitude towards the former USSR while young people there adore anything American and marriage to an American is a desirable choice of many a Vitenamese woman. Go figure! But then again, who has got more money? The Russians do not cowtow to Ulaan Bataar or dream of visiting the Mongolian capital on their honeymoon. Few dream of emigrating to Lovely Mongolia or studying there. The Mongols were powerful militarily but they were not necessarily richer than the Russians when they put thousands ofthem to the sword.
I guess it is human nature to kowtow to and respect the strong and the rich, no matter what bad things they have done to you. After the revolutions and the wars of independence pass, the former "oppressees" are back to the business of adulating the former oppressors.
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Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:09:48 pm
Pois, é o que acontece com os Portugueses que preferem viver no passado...
Enviado por: zocuni em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:10:28 pm
Citação de: "macholuso"
confundi-os com a dita pastelaria... :twisted:
Tudo bem,
Penso que em vez deste tópico ser denominado "países hospitaleiros",deveria ser "países gastronómicos".
Abraços,
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 12:36:28 pm
Citação de: "macholuso"
INTERESSANTE :shock:
Enviado por: PereiraMarques em Agosto 23, 2007, 03:15:11 pm
Citação de: "SSK"
Citação de: "macholuso"uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa :twisted:
"diser" :?: brasileiros
Enviado por: Luso em Agosto 23, 2007, 03:42:01 pm
Não se esperaria outra coisa de um andrade.
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 03:43:14 pm
Citação de: "PereiraMarques"
Citação de: "SSK"Citação de: "macholuso"uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa :twisted:
"diser" :?: brasileiros :twisted:
Enviado por: Luso em Agosto 23, 2007, 03:43:18 pm
Grato.
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 04:25:10 pm
Citação de: "Luso"
E já agora - para evitar repetir o drama "menesiano" - poderia ter a bondade de mencionar a fonte?
Grato.
fonte de quê?
Aquilo é do forum Internationalliving
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 05:29:39 pm
O livro «O pacto» de James Michener tambem fala na batalha
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 10:26:13 pm
One of the most important reasons why it is so easy to succeed in 1st World countries is because of the infrastructure both technical and human. Most 1st Worlders are so used to it, the do not even notice it. They take it for granted that phones work, that faxes work, that courier shipments will arrive on time, that the mail will not disappear; that you can quickly and easily obtain products and services that you need, albeit they may be costly at times.
When you work in the 1st World, you can see that you work and efforts bear fruit quite easily. When you make an appointment, people come and usually do so on time, when they tell you they will do something related to business (in which they have vested interest, of course) they usually do it.
When you get to other countries of the so-called Developing World (the modern Euphemism for Underdeveloped World) your first question is always: “Why are they still developing? They have been around for so long. What’s the problem?” Soon, you will see what the problem is. If you start doing business there, you will come up against many obstacles that did not exist where you came from. People do not come to appointments or if they do, they come late and unprepared. When you call and ask the secretary why her boss did not show up, she tells you that he has left for a luxury resort (probably with his new mistress). You want to send a fax, but no one even knows what a fax is. If you do see a place that has a sign that says“ Fax”, and park your car near it (if you are lucky to find a parking spot), you will be met with a dour clerk that will tell you that there is no fax machine at the store. “So, why is there a sign?” Sorry, there may not be any laws there that govern false advertising. No one simply cares. One year later, you pass by the same store and the “Fax” sign is still hanging and again, there is no fax there.
In addition to that, if you want to have lunch and are lucky to be given a menu, and, then, you make your choice and ask the waiter for this and that item, he will just tell you that the item is not available. “Then why is it on the menu?” “Well, it was in stock but it is now out of stock”. “Well, you knew that the stock was getting smaller, so why didn’t you order it well in advance? “ They have nothing to say to you. They simply do not care. They do not know how to think ahead.
You get into a taxi and the taxi driver does not even know where many places in the city are located. He is there because his uncle got him a job and he is in training as he works.
Then, you are stuck in the traffic for hours and hours trying to get from place A to place B. All this takes toll on your nerves and general well-being and you are starting to see that the country you are in is still “developing” and is not “developed” because, basically, of the more lax culture, less discipline inherent in the people’s behavior, less foresight and a general happy-go-lucky attitude that permeates the whole functioning of the country. Everything is full of unnecessary delays, laziness, and gross incompetence.
You may be an aggressive go-getter and an organized, responsible person, but if you are in country that is limping along in a haphazard and devil-may-care rhythm of its own, you will soon be stuck in a morass similarly to how Napoleon and Hitler got stuck in Russia and that was the end of them.
Modern politically correct interculturalists claim that there are no inferior cultures and that we are simply different. I say: let them spend a few years as businessmen or investors in one of those dysfunctional societies, step into human excrement on the side of the road, choke on black exhaust fumes for a few hours a day in countries that do not believe in smog checks, get stuck in a pot hole in the middle of a busy street and get cheated in business a few times by unscrupulous and corrupt partners whom you cannot even sue (local courts are so corrupt, they will most probably always decide in favor of locals vs. foreigners) and see what they will say then. I am sure that they will reluctantly admit that, at least, from the business standpoint, there are countries whose cultures are very, very much inferior.
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Only other natural-born citizens of Rome are allowed to do as Romans do.
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 23, 2007, 10:34:41 pm
In many countries around the world whose people are known for being tolerant, incompetence reigns supreme. Why? Well, because who screw up are usually forgiven and given too many second chances. Actually, they are given infinite chances. Hence, they do not dread being punished for their deeds. So, they screw up all the time. Services are bad, products are not delivered on time; people do not come to appointments on time and are forgiven. Hence, over decades, such tolerant societies fall behind those countries that are less tolerant and who give their incompetents hell if they do not shape up. After some time, the intolerant societies end up conquering the tolerant ones and making them their economic or political colonies.
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Enviado por: Sintra em Agosto 24, 2007, 12:53:56 am
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 24, 2007, 01:15:51 am
Citação de: "Sintra"
Sim, sim, sim :wink:
Huh????
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 24, 2007, 01:20:33 am
The Anglo Guilt
Former British colonies and Britain itself seem to suffer from some kind of guilt complex. They are constantly trying to make amends for all the bad things they have done to other countries and races. In the process, they can get take advantage by other countries who had done just as many bad things, but who are not feeling guilty in the slightest. China, for example, carried out horrible atrocities in Tibet and Vietnam, but it is not feeling guilty. Neither does Japan. Liberals in America and in the UK for example, have even created a new teaching saying that race does not exist. However, in other countries they do not have such a teaching; they believe in race and practice racism every day. They exclude other races from participation in society, deal with illegal immigrants most harshly (Mexico does that, for example), and devote most of their time to looking out after their national interests. Only the Anglos seem to constantly be saying with a sad mien “We did this, and we did that” while lowering their heads in shame as other nations just go on with their agendas without ever looking back. Sometimes I wonder if such guilt is useful for all these Anglo-Saxon countries. It would be of some benefit if other nation-states were working on straightening out their record as well, but they aren’t. Either they deny that they had ever done anything bad, or they twist it to make it look like they had done a good thing. Everybody is selfish and shrewd, and looking out for number one. Anglos do too, but not as much. The guilt significantly cripples them. Well, as long as UK and US lead the world, they may have to be doing that, since, I guess, the world must love a guilt-ridden leader.
The Anglo Pride,
Along with the guilt there is also a pride and a delusion that comes with it. The gist of it is that an average American, Brit and often a Canadian actually equates the Anglo-Sphere (the part of the world where English is spoken) with ‘the world’. In fact, it is possible to circumnavigate the globe and only land, and spend time in English-speaking countries. Let’s say, you will go from Britain to the US, then Australia, and then, on to Singapore, HK, India, the Gulf Arab countries where most people are Indian or Filipinos, and then possibly to Africa where Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana and other such places are English-speaking. Then, one will go back to London. One has been around the world and the world does speak English. At least that is the way it looks. As a result, you may form an illusion that the entire planet speaks English, whereas only 22-25% of it does. Such people who are Anglo- Saxon culturally, by and larg,e do not learn another language when they are abroad, and do not try to assimilate or integrate into other cultures, and find it abnormal when people do not speak English to them. “What are you, dumb or something?” they are often heard saying to people in countries that were not “lucky’ enough to be colonized by England.
Even after decades of living in Thailand, Russia or Germany, many do not make any effort to learn another language, and somehow feel deep in their hearts that the locals are wrong by not speaking English. The illusion that they have about the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon culture is so deep that it borders on madness.
While rarely trying to assimilate into other cultures, many such cultural Anglo-Saxons nevertheless get raving mad when immigrants to their countries want to preserve their culture and language just like they do when they go abroad. Sorry, but it goes both ways. If an American can live in the Dominican Republic for ten years without learning Spanish and be proud of it, you can expect a Dominican to do the same in the US. It’s only fair, isn’t it?
So, those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. When Anglo start respecting other cultures, it should work the other way around, too- those who go to their countries will be making the effort to learn English.
That is if the world is fair, which it never seems to
Enviado por: Sickness em Agosto 24, 2007, 04:40:47 am
Citação de: "SSK"
Citação de: "macholuso"uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa :roll:
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 24, 2007, 08:44:11 am
Citação de: "Sickness"
Citação de: "SSK"Citação de: "macholuso"uma coisa que me irrita neste país é pensarem que se forem campeões do mundo de futebol, vão finalmente ser um país respeitado.
Voces veem os brazucas ou os argentinos, que já foram varias vezes campeoes, serem respeitados?
Nem em Portugal...
O dinheiro é o que conta acima de tudo, embora convenha ter uma História interessante como a nossa para não parecermos um país rico e aborrecido tipo Suissa :roll:
portugas não é invenção de portugueses? :twisted:
Enviado por: Sintra em Agosto 24, 2007, 01:39:57 pm
Citação de: "macholuso"
Citação de: "Sintra"Sim, sim, sim :wink:
Huh???? :wink:
Enviado por: macholuso em Agosto 24, 2007, 02:14:04 pm
Citação de: "Sintra"
Citação de: "macholuso"Citação de: "Sintra"Sim, sim, sim :wink:
Huh???? :wink:
Podes dar-me um exemplo dum país rico do sul devido à disciplina do seu povo e não ao petróleo ou a emigração de gente com a mentalidade do norte como no caso da Australia?
Enviado por: PereiraMarques em Agosto 24, 2007, 03:45:31 pm
Citação de: "macholuso"
Podes dar-me um exemplo dum país rico do sul devido à disciplina do seu povo e não ao petróleo ou a emigração de gente com a mentalidade do norte como no caso da Australia?
E já que estamos numa de Determinismo Geográfico (http://http) porque não olhar para o planisfério e ver que a quantidade de terras emersas no hemisfério sul é bem inferior à do hemisfério norte e que à mesma latitude da Escandinávia (60º/70º N) não existe nada no Hemisfério Sul (60º/70º S) sem ser água e gelo.
Ver, por exemplo, os dois planisférios seguintes, com projecção polar (i.e. de um pólo para o Equador).
(https://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg403.imageshack.us%2Fimg403%2F7259%2Ffig8dk4.png&hash=2634c7c97c9dc8a9efe5323bddb0b5a8)
Enviado por: Sintra em Agosto 25, 2007, 01:36:20 am
Citação de: "macholuso"
Citação de: "Sintra"Citação de: "macholuso"Citação de: "Sintra"Sim, sim, sim :wink:
Huh???? :wink:
Podes dar-me um exemplo dum país rico do sul devido à disciplina do seu povo e não ao petróleo ou a emigração de gente com a mentalidade do norte como no caso da Australia? :? (se bem que o Kaulza de Arriaga, ainda nos anos 60 do século passado andava a falar disto). Os Esquimós deviam estar riquissimos...
Mas respondendo à tua questão, existem vários exemplos, a Republica da Mauricia, Singapura, a Malásia, etc...
Agora vou deixar-te um pequeno exercicio, de todo o hemisfério sul tenta arranjar um país que não tenha sido completamente colonizado por Europeus, de tal forma que a população autóctone não tenha sido praticamente levada à extinção... E que não tenha petróleo. Basicamente sobra só parte de Africa e alguma coisa do Sul da Ásia...
E já agora vou deixar-te outro, recua um século no tempo e começa a comparar os nºs da Economia Brasileira e Argentina com os do Norte da Europa e és capaz de ter uma enorme surpresa.
E já agora, porque é que os Lapões e os Esquimós não são riquissimos, e porque é que toda a Europa de Leste tem um PIB per capita inferior a Chipre, etc, etc, e porque é que a Russia está no estado que está, porque é que toda a Mongólia nunca passou da idade média, etc, etc, etc...
E todas estas minhas perguntas têm respostas perfeitamente plausiveis, sejam económicas, politicas, ou outras quaisquer, mas COM CERTEZA NÃO TÊM NADA A VER COM LATITUDES...
E já agora qual é a "mentalidade do Norte"? É a dos Esquimós, dos Indios Norte Americanos, dos Siberianos Russos, dos Japoneses?!!!!
Enviado por: papatango em Agosto 25, 2007, 04:14:33 pm
O que nos tem a dizer sobre o Calvinismo e a questão das posições dos cristãos protestantes relativamente ao liberalismo económico ?
Enviado por: oultimoespiao em Agosto 26, 2007, 01:20:52 pm
Enviado por: macholuso em Setembro 03, 2007, 10:10:13 am
Citação de: "Sintra"
Citação de: "macholuso"Citação de: "Sintra"Citação de: "macholuso"Citação de: "Sintra"Sim, sim, sim :wink:
Huh???? :wink:
Podes dar-me um exemplo dum país rico do sul devido à disciplina do seu povo e não ao petróleo ou a emigração de gente com a mentalidade do norte como no caso da Australia? :? (se bem que o Kaulza de Arriaga, ainda nos anos 60 do século passado andava a falar disto). Os Esquimós deviam estar riquissimos...
Mas respondendo à tua questão, existem vários exemplos, a Republica da Mauricia, Singapura, a Malásia, etc...
Agora vou deixar-te um pequeno exercicio, de todo o hemisfério sul tenta arranjar um país que não tenha sido completamente colonizado por Europeus, de tal forma que a população autóctone não tenha sido praticamente levada à extinção... E que não tenha petróleo. Basicamente sobra só parte de Africa e alguma coisa do Sul da Ásia...
E já agora vou deixar-te outro, recua um século no tempo e começa a comparar os nºs da Economia Brasileira e Argentina com os do Norte da Europa e és capaz de ter uma enorme surpresa.
E já agora, porque é que os Lapões e os Esquimós não são riquissimos, e porque é que toda a Europa de Leste tem um PIB per capita inferior a Chipre, etc, etc, e porque é que a Russia está no estado que está, porque é que toda a Mongólia nunca passou da idade média, etc, etc, etc...
E todas estas minhas perguntas têm respostas perfeitamente plausiveis, sejam económicas, politicas, ou outras quaisquer, mas COM CERTEZA NÃO TÊM NADA A VER COM LATITUDES...
E já agora qual é a "mentalidade do Norte"? É a dos Esquimós, dos Indios Norte Americanos, dos Siberianos Russos, dos Japoneses?!!!!
singapura e malasia foram colonias inglesas.
o hemisferio sul não é todo quente.Ja tiveste em Buenos aires e Sao paulo no inverno?
os paises de leste estiveram sobe o jugo comunista muito tempo, mas a re. checa e a polonia tao quase a apanhar-nos