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Título: C-17 GLOBEMASTER - Projecção Estratégica pelo Ar
Enviado por: Rui Elias em Dezembro 28, 2005, 03:36:49 pm
Como é público, em 2003, durante o Governo de Durão Barroso, Portugal e o seu Governo foram alvo de uma proposta da Boeing para a aquisição por parte do Estado português de 2 aparelhos C-17.

Como contrapartidas, a Boeing financiaria a modernização da actual frota de C-130H da FAP, tal como está aliás previsto que aconteça, para que os 6 aparelhos voem até perto de 2020, altura em que se espera que hajam substitutos para o transporte táctico e estratégico aéreo em Portugal.

Uma apresentação do C-17, avião de transporte estratégico por excelência, a par de outras plataformas, como o C-5 Galaxy, o Ant-124, ou o futuro A-400M da Airbus:

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Mission
The C-17 Globemaster III is the newest, most advanced, and most flexible cargo aircraft to ever enter the U.S. and allied airlift force.

It is capable of rapid strategic delivery of troops and all types of cargo to main operating bases or directly to forward bases in the deployment area. This aircraft is also capable of performing tactical airlift and airdrop missions when required.

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The inherent flexibility and performance of the C-17 force improves the ability of the total airlift system to fulfill the worldwide air mobility requirements of the United States.

The ultimate measure of airlift effectiveness is the ability to rapidly project and sustain an effective combat force close to a potential battle area. Threats to U.S. interests have changed in recent years, and the size and weight of U.S. mechanized firepower and equipment have grown in response to improved capabilities of potential adversaries.

This trend has significantly increased air mobility requirements, particularly in the area of large or heavy outsize cargo. As a result, newer and more flexible airlift aircraft such as the C-17 are needed to meet potential armed contingencies, peacekeeping or humanitarian missions worldwide.

Features
Reliability, a high degree of safety, and maintainability are three outstanding benefits of the C-17 system. Current operational requirements impose demanding reliability and maintainability.

These requirements include an aircraft mission completion success probability rate of 92 percent, only 20 aircraft maintenance man-hours per flying hour, and full and partial mission availability rates of 74.7 and 82.5 percent, respectively. The Boeing warranty assures these figures will be met.

Background
The C-17 was designed and built by McDonnell-Douglas, which was acquired by Boeing in 1997. It was based upon an earlier McDonnell-Douglas product, the YC-15. This aircraft was the result of a runoff with the Boeing YC-14 in the Advanced Medium STOL Transport project. However, the project was canceled before a winner was selected.

By the early-1980s, the USAF found itself with a very large, but aging fleet of C-141 Starlifters. Some of the C-141s had major structural problems as a result of heavy use.

USAF also has historically never had sufficient strategic airlift capabilities to fulfill its requirements. They elected to use the YC-15 as the basis for a new aircraft. This aircraft, by then designated the C-17A Globemaster III was ordered in August 1981.

The new aircraft differed in having swept wings, increased size, and more powerful engines. This would allow it to perform all work performed by the C-141, but to also fulfill some of the duties of the C-5 Galaxy, so that the C-5 fleet would be freed up for larger, more outsize cargo.

Development continued until December, 1985 when a full-scale production contract was signed. Its maiden flight was on September 15, 1991 from the McDonnell-Douglas west coast plant in Long Beach, California. This aircraft (T-1) and five more production models (P1-P5) participated in extensive flight testing and evaluation at Edwards AFB.

The aircraft is powered by four, fully reversible, FAA-certified F117-PW-100 turbofan engines (the Department of Defense designation for the commercial Pratt and Whitney PW2040, currently used on the Boeing 757.) Each engine is rated at 40,440 lbf (180 kN) of thrust.

The thrust reversers direct the flow of air upward and forward to avoid ingestion of dust and debris. Maximum use has been made of off-the-shelf and commercial equipment, including Air Force-standardized avionics.

The aircraft is operated by a crew of three (pilot, copilot, and loadmaster), reducing manpower requirements, risk exposure and long-term operating costs.

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Cargo is loaded onto the C-17 through a large aft door that accommodates military vehicles and palletized cargo. The C-17 can carry all of the Army's air-transportable equipment, including the 70-ton M1 main battle tank.

Maximum payload capacity of the C-17 is 170,900 lb (77,500 kg), and its maximum gross takeoff weight is 585,000 lb (265,350 kg). With a payload of 160,000 lb (72,600 kg) and an initial cruise altitude of 28,000 ft (8,500 m), the C-17 has an unrefueled range of approximately 2,400 nautical miles (4,400 km) on the first 71 units, and 2,800 nautical miles (5,200 km) on all subsequent units, which are extended-range models with an additional fuel tank in the center wing box. Its cruise speed is approximately 450 knots (833 km/h) (.74 Mach).

The C-17 is designed to airdrop 102 paratroopers and equipment.

The superior design of the C-17 allows it to operate through small, austere airfields. The C-17 can easily take off and land on runways as short as 3,000 ft (900 m) and only 90 ft (27 m) wide.

In addition, the C-17 can also operate out of unpaved, unimproved runways due to the rugged design of the landing gear system, as well as operate out of runways much shorter then 3,000 feet. Even on such narrow runways, the C-17 can turn around using a three-point star turn and its backing capability.

USAF background

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The first production model was delivered to Charleston Air Force Base, S.C., on July 14, 1993. The first squadron of C-17s, the 17th Airlift Squadron, was declared operationally ready on January 17, 1995.

The Air Force originally programmed to buy a total of 120 C-17s, with the last one being scheduled for delivery in November 2004. The fiscal 2000 budget funded another 14 aircraft for Special Operations Command.

Basing of the original 120 C-17s is planned for Charleston AFB; McChord AFB (first aircraft arrived in July 1999); Altus AFB; and at an Air National Guard unit in Jackson, Miss. Basing of the additional 14 aircraft to McGuire AFB NJ Elemendof AK Hickham HI Dover AFB DE and Travis AFB CA. An additional 60 units were ordered in May of 2002.

The Department of Defense is considering an additional 42 aircraft.

Depending upon the fate of the C-5 Galaxy, there may be further orders.

USAF originally intended to acquire about 350 units, though this was reduced at the end of the Cold War. However, USAF has been so pleased and amazed with the aircraft that it is entirely possible that the C-17 will be ordered in greater quantities than originally envisioned, with current orders standing at 180, and likely to reach 222 in the near future. In order to avoid disruption of the production line in U.S. FY2006, USAF will have to make a decision on the 42-aircraft buy in early 2005.

The C-17 is operated by the Air Mobility Command at the 437th Airlift Wing, Charleston AFB, S.C.; the 62nd Airlift Wing, McChord AFB, Wash; and the 315th Airlift Wing (Associate Reserve), Charleston AFB, S.C.

RAF background

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Boeing has actively marketed the C-17 to many European nations including Belgium, Britain, France, and Spain. Of these, Britain was always seen as the most likely customer given its increasingly expeditionary military strategy and global commitments. The Royal Air Force has established an aim of having interoperability and some weapons and capabilities commonality with the United States Air Force.

The UK's 1998 Strategic Defence Review identified a requirement for a strategic airlifter following the protracted procurement of the European airlifter, the Airbus A400M. The Short-Term Strategic Airlift (STSA) competition commenced in September of that year. The UK cancelled the competition in August 1999 recognizing that the C-17 was the only aircraft that met its demanding specifications.

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The UK Defence Secretary, Geoff Hoon, announced in May 2000 that the RAF would lease four C-17s from Boeing for an initial seven years with an optional two year extension. At this point the RAF would have the option to buy the aircraft or return them to Boeing. The UK committed to upgrading the C-17s in line with the USAF so that in the event of them being returned to Boeing the USAF could adopt them.

The first C-17 was delivered to the RAF at Boeing's Long Beach facility on May 17, 2001 and flown to RAF Brize Norton by No. 99 Squadron which had previously trained with USAF crews to gain competence on the type. The RAF's fourth C-17 was delivered on August 24, 2001. The RAF aircraft were some of the first to take advantage of the new centre wing fuel tank.

The RAF declared itself delighted with the C-17 and reports began to emerge that they wished to retain the aircraft regardless of the A400M's progress. Although the C-17 fleet was to be a fallback for the A400M, the UK announced on July 21, 2004 that they have elected to buy their four C-17s at the end of the lease, even though the A400M is moving towards production.

They will also be placing a follow-on order for one aircraft, though there may be additional purchases later, especially if the A400M does not live up to expectations in operational use. While the A400M is described as a "strategic" airlifter, the C-17 gives the RAF true strategic capabilities that it would not wish to lose, for example a maximum payload of 77,000 kg compared to the Airbus' 37,000 kg. The fifth aircraft will be ordered when the USAF places its expected order for 42, in early 2005.

In RAF service the C-17 has not been given an official designation (e.g. C-130J referred to as Hercules C4 or C5) due to its leased status, but is referred to simply as the C-17.

Following the end of the lease period the four aircraft will assume an RAF designation, most likely "Globemaster C1." Presumably, should the additional aircraft enter service prior to this, it alone will carry the C1 designation for a time.

Luftwaffe background

The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and resultant tsunamis placed a strain on the global strategic airlifter pool.

The impressive performance of the C-17 in USAF and RAF service have persuaded Germany to consider acquiring 2-4 C-17s for the Luftwaffe in a dry lease arrangement, at least until the A400M is available in 2009.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer stated in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that the government needed its own organic strategic transport capability to be able to respond to disasters in a better manner than it was able to for this incident.

During the tsunami relief effort, Germany tried to acquire transport through its usual method of wet leasing Antonov airlifters via private companies, but found to its dismay that there were no available aircraft. While the stated goal of a C-17 lease would be to last until the A400M's arrival, it is always possible that the Luftwaffe may undergo an experience similar to that of the RAF, and elect to retain them.[

Wartime usage

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The C-17 was used to deliver military goods and humanitarian aid during Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom in Iraq by both services.

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On March 26, 2003, ten USAF C-17s participated in the biggest combat airdrop since Operation Just Cause in Panama in December, 1989. The night-time airdrop of 1,000 soldiers occurred over Bashur, Iraq.

It opened the northern front to combat operations and constituted the largest formation airdrop since D-Day in World War II.

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Enviado por: typhonman em Dezembro 28, 2005, 09:29:29 pm
Não se soube mais nada sobre isso?
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Dezembro 29, 2005, 10:27:16 am
Tudo indica que essa proposta caiu em saco roto dados os valores apresentados pela Boeing, e dados os programas que na altura estajam a ser desenhados peo MDM Paulo Portas.

O dinheiro não dava para tudo, embora ache que seria uma excelente oportunidade, única, de multiplicarmos a nossa capacidade estratégica de projecção pelo ar, e simultaneamente vermos assegurada a modernização dos 6 C-130H que temos, e que termos que fazer essa moderização, caso os queiramos a voar até perto de 2020.

Ora o que acontece é que se Portugal tivesse aceite, seria o 3º país da NATO a operar essa plataforma, e dadas as solicitaçoes que temos tido (Timor, Bósnia, Kosovo, Afeganistão, Guné), os nossos actuais e algo velhos C-130 estão a ser muito utilizados.

Creio que foi uma oportunidade perdida, embora também compreenda que o dinheiro não estica.

Para já eu nem me importaria de ver a FAP comprar 2 Airbus A-310 da TAP (já que seta está a renovar a frota).

Para projecção e transporte.

E que pelo menos num deles se fizesse a adaptação para KC, o que tornaria as duas esquadras de F-16 mais autónomas, perrmitindo a multiplicação de forças, mercê da capacidade de reabastecimento de aeronaves no ar, que é uma falta grave na nossa capacidade.

Jugo que Portugal, dado o que está definido no CEDN que esteve em discussão pública ao longo de 2003, deveria apostar sem estados de alma da projecção de forças e meios de apoio logístico, navais e aéreos, já que hoje em dia, a defesa de um país não se faz mais nas fronteira, mas por vezes a milhares de km.

E para essa capacidade militar, há que montar cadeias logísticas e que permitam rotação de pessoal e de equipamentos, viaturas, etc.

E para isso é vergonhoso que um país com 1000 anos de história se veja agora na contingência de ter que recorrer ao aluguer de aeronaves a empresas ucranianas.

Ou se tem FA's ou não se tem.

Se se tem, há que as equipar.

Ou sem equipamentos, as FA's serão as mais caras do mundo, já que servirão apensas, como um antigo CEME disse, para gastar a verba em rancho e papel higiénico.
Título: Aviões
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Dezembro 29, 2005, 10:42:56 am
Foi num desses aviões alugados que morreram toda uma unidade Espanhola que estava a voltar para casa de uma missão no estrangeiro.
Acho que a manutenção desses aviões deve ser um tanto ou quanto deficiente!
Título: Re: Aviões
Enviado por: Pedro Monteiro em Dezembro 29, 2005, 10:53:05 am
Citação de: "Cabeça de Martelo"
Foi num desses aviões alugados que morreram toda uma unidade Espanhola que estava a voltar para casa de uma missão no estrangeiro.
Acho que a manutenção desses aviões deve ser um tanto ou quanto deficiente!


Errado. Foi um avião russo. Até porque a USAF não aluga aviões militares.
Cumprimentos,
Pedro Monteiro
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Dezembro 29, 2005, 11:26:10 am
Acho que foi num avião russo alugado para trazer de regresso um contingente.

Portugal leviu a companhia de Comandos que está no Afeganistão num avião fretado a uma companhia de charter escocesa.

E a companhia da GNR que esteve no Iraque foi e veio de Air Luxor  :roll:

Para Timor recorremos aos Ant-124 alugados a uma empresa ucraniana, e por uma vez os EUA emprestaram-nos um C-5 Galaxy
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Enviado por: Jorge Pereira em Dezembro 29, 2005, 11:37:11 am
O avião em causa foi um Yakolev 42.
Título: Aviões
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Dezembro 29, 2005, 12:16:15 pm
Eu estava a falar dos aviões russos! Tb não estou a USAF a transportar Espanhóis.
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Dezembro 29, 2005, 12:19:56 pm
Cabeça:

Mas nestes casos, tratam-se de aviões de companhias privadas russas ou ucranianas que alugam esses aviões.

São todos da era soviética e parece que as manutenções desse aparelhos não são rande coisda desde que a URSS colapsou.
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Março 29, 2006, 04:13:22 pm
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Frota de C-17 GlobemasterIII perfaz um bilião de horas de voo

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A frota total de aviões de transporte estratégico C-17 GlobemasterIII perfaz o bilião de horas de voo, o que equivale a que um único avião fizesse um voo contínuo, sem escalas durante 114 anos.

Actualmente muito utilizado para os transporte de tropas e equipamentos para o Iraque e transporte de feridos nesse conflito para os Hospital Militar de Ramstein, na Alemanha, é hoje o avião de transporte mais utilizado para longas distâncias.

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Operadores da plataforma:

USAF, Air Nacional Guard, Reserva da Força Aérea americana e ainda a inglesa Royal Air Force (4 aparelhos).

Actulamente o fabricante deste avião, a Boeing tem um contrato pluri-anual de contrução deste aparelhos estratégicios de transporte para construção e entrega de 180 unidades para a USAF até 2008.

Actualmente a USAF opera 148 C-17 GlobemasterIII

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Enviado por: Lightning em Março 29, 2006, 09:14:37 pm
Só para contradizer uma afirmação de um senhor que disse que os americanos não alugam aviões, pelo menos uma vez já o fizeram quando tiveram que transportar um gerador para uma central eléctrica na Base das Lages e teve que ser transportada num Antonov 225 (o maior avião do mundo) porque parece que não podia ser transportado num C-5, a única alternativa ao An225 seria o transporte marítimo (segundo o que ouvi).

Eu como avião gosto do C-17 mas também isso iria fazer que tivessemos de formar  pilotos e mecânicos e abrir uma logística para outro tipo de aeronave além do C-130, se falassem em substituir os C-130s aceitava agora complementar com outro tipo diferente de avião não.
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Enviado por: typhonman em Março 29, 2006, 09:17:32 pm
A Australia decidiu adquirir 4 bichos destes.
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Enviado por: Lightning em Março 29, 2006, 09:24:12 pm
Talvez em transporte de tropas de Portugal para o local (ou perto) de onde vão cumprir a sua missão fique mais barato às forças armadas transportar esses militares em aviões alugados a empresas civis do que possuir esses meios, é uma questão de euros não sei.

O que falhamos mesmo é no caso de um reabastecedor mas pode-se configurar um A400 para isso por exemplo.
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Abril 03, 2006, 09:36:11 am
Tiphnooman:

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A Australia decidiu adquirir 4 bichos destes.


A sério?

Quando é que foi isso?

Mas já há contrato assinado e calendário para entrega, ou ainda está em estudo?
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Enviado por: balburdio em Abril 04, 2006, 03:57:19 am
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Frota de C-17 GlobemasterIII perfaz um bilião de horas de voo
Impossível! Não será antes um milhão???!?!!?


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A frota total de aviões de transporte estratégico C-17 GlobemasterIII perfaz o bilião de horas de voo, o que equivale a que um único avião fizesse um voo contínuo, sem escalas durante 114 anos.

1dia=24 horas
1 ano=365 dias=8760 horas
114 anos=998.640

ou seja, perto de 1.000.000 horas
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Enviado por: Marauder em Abril 04, 2006, 11:17:05 pm
Citação de: "Rui Elias"
Tiphnooman:

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A Australia decidiu adquirir 4 bichos destes.

A sério?

Quando é que foi isso?

Mas já há contrato assinado e calendário para entrega, ou ainda está em estudo?

Ainda não é certo, mas tá em estudo :
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Australia – C-17 Globemaster III Aircraft  
 
 
(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; issued April 3, 2006)
 
 
 On 3 April 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Australia of up to four C-17 GLOBEMASTER III aircraft, as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $2 billion.  
 
The Government of Australia requested a possible sale of up to four C-17 GLOBEMASTER III aircraft, up to 18 Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 engines, up to four AN/AAQ-24V(13) Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures (LAIRCM) Systems, up to 15 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles; Personnel Life Support equipment, spare and repair parts, supply support, training equipment and support, publications and technical data, U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $2 billion.  
 
Australia is one of our most important allies in the Western Pacific. The strategic location of this political and economic power contributes significantly to ensuring peace and economic stability in the region. Australia’s efforts in Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom, peacekeeping, and humanitarian operations have made a significant impact to regional, political, and economic stability and have served U.S. national security interests. This proposed sale is consistent with those objectives and facilitates burden sharing with our allies.  
 
Australia does not currently have a heavy airlift capability and must rely on outside sources for these services. This assistance normally takes the form of either U.S. Air Force airlift or contract carriers that use Russian heavy airlift aircraft. The C-17 will greatly improve Australia’s capability to rapidly deploy in support of global coalition operations and will also greatly enhance its ability to lead regional humanitarian/peacekeeping operations.  
 
Australia has the ability to absorb and employ the C-17. It plans on basing the C-17s at Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) Base Amberly. RAAF Base Amberly will become the primary base for airlift and tanker aircraft and is currently undergoing the infrastructure upgrades required to support the C-17 and other large aircraft Australia has currently contracted to purchase.  
 
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.  
 
This proposed sale will involve the following contractors:  
 
--Boeing Company Long Beach, California  
--Boeing Company Training Systems St. Louis, Missouri  
--AAI Services Corporation Goose Creek, South Carolina  
--United Technologies Corporation East Hartford, Connecticut  
--Northrop Grumman Systems Corporation Rolling Meadows, Illinois  
 
Additional subcontractors may be needed depending on the exact nature of the contracting arrangements established. Offset agreements associated with this proposed sale are expected, but at this time the specific offset agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and contractors.  
 
This proposed sale will result in Boeing establishing a facility at RAAF Base Amberly that will provide logistics support for the C-17 under the current GLOBEMASTER Support Partnership. The proposed plan will require seven each U.S. Government and Australian representatives at the facility. Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of up to ten each U.S. Government and contractor representatives to travel to Australia for annual participation in training, program management, and technical review.  
 
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.  
 
This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.


site www.defense-aerospace.com (http://www.defense-aerospace.com)
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Abril 26, 2006, 10:13:28 am
Entretanto, correm rumores de que perante a idade avançada da generalidade da frota de C-130 da Força Aérea do Canadá, o Governo de Otawa está a equacionar a possibilidade de encomendar 6 C-17 para complementar a frota de C-130, então mais reduzida que ficará a operar ao serviço daquele país.

Actualmente o Canadá opera mais de 30 C-130 (9 C-130H e os restantes no padrão E).
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Enviado por: typhonman em Abril 26, 2006, 01:58:59 pm
EUA..UK..AUSTRÁLIA...CANADÁ...PORTUGAL?
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Abril 26, 2006, 04:57:59 pm
Já houve essa possibilidade, ou pelo menos Portugal recebeu uma proposta da Boeing nesse sentido, para a compra de 2 aparelhos.

Mas acho muito difícil que isso venha a acontecer.

Acho que o nosso futuro ao nível de projecção pelo ar através de transporte estratégico passará, para já pela continuidade do que temos, e depois, ou os C-130J, ou os A-400M.

E ainda falta saber de que quantidades estariamos a falar   :shock:
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Enviado por: Marauder em Maio 11, 2006, 11:42:10 am
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Defence to Buy C-17 Airlifters  
 
 
(Source: Australian Minister for Defence; issued May 9, 2006)
 
 
 The 2006-07 Budget provides an additional $1.9 billion for the acquisition of the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III as the preferred solution for a new responsive global airlift capability.  
 
I announced the selection of this aircraft to provide new heavy airlift capability for the Royal Australian Air Force on 3 March this year.  
 
This budget will also provide extra funding to operate the new aircraft, once the costs have been assessed and agreed. This will be in addition to the three per cent real growth provided by Government over the 15 year period 2001-02 to 2015-16.  
 
The Airlift Group will acquire up to four C-17s, with the first aircraft expected to arrive in Australia in December this year. I expect final delivery of the aircraft to be complete by mid 2008.  
 
The C-17 aircraft will significantly enhance the Australian Defence Force's airlift capability currently delivered by our C-130H and C-130J Hercules medium transports.  
 
It is the only aircraft currently in production that has a proven capability to meet the Australian Defence Force's operational needs. These C-17s will enable the rapid deployment of troops, combat vehicles, bulk stores, heavy equipment and helicopters at long distances.  
 
This new airlift capability will bolster the Australian Defence Force's contribution to domestic and international operations as well as to major disaster rescue and relief efforts. It will also provide significant opportunity for our aerospace industry here in Australia.  
 
As an example of the capability that the C-17 brings to the Australian Defence Force; in the event of a natural disaster striking the west coast of Australia, one C-17 could be dispatched from the east to the west coast, flying non-stop and carrying 58 tonnes of cargo. It could then offload and, without refuelling, return to the east coast ready for another load. In the same length of time, a C-130 aircraft would complete the one-way journey carrying only 13 tonnes of cargo. In this scenario, the C-17 could carry more than 4 times as much cargo as a C-130, in less than half the time.  
 
Furthermore, this acquisition means that instead of leasing aging Antonovs or waiting in queues for American airlift support, Australia will have its own heavy airlift capability, when we need it, and where we need it.  


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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Maio 12, 2006, 09:35:16 am
Bom para eles  :D
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Enviado por: Marauder em Agosto 02, 2006, 10:12:06 am
Pois, mais cedo ou mais tarde deve surgir a confirmação com a assinatura do contracto para os C-17 canadianos.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... fer=canada (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=agi6Xo3Ibq_U&refer=canada)
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Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Setembro 13, 2006, 04:31:47 am
NATO pretende adquirir C 17.
http://www.nato.int/docu/pr/2006/p06-107e.htm (http://www.nato.int/docu/pr/2006/p06-107e.htm)
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Enviado por: typhonman em Setembro 13, 2006, 10:09:21 pm
http://www.areamilitar.net/noticias/not ... ?nrnot=235 (http://www.areamilitar.net/noticias/noticias.aspx?nrnot=235)

Só a nós é que servem os C130H..  :lol:

Será que também vamos entrar? Existe a possibilidade de estes meios ficarem baseados nos países de origem.. Além da base principal na Alemanha..
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Setembro 26, 2006, 10:29:30 am
Pelo que entendi, a concretizar-se essa compra, e apesar dos aparelhos a adquirir funcionarem em sistema de poole, sediada na Alemanha, acho que prioritáriamente serão colocados ao serviço dos novos membros da NATO que ainda não têm outros meios de projeção pelo ar, como sendo os países do leste euopeu.

Portugal mais uma vez ficará de fora, e na lista de espera sempre que precise de transportar algo.

Eu por mim já ficaria satisfeito se a nossa esquadra de C-130H subisse de 6 para 8 unidades, já que 2 C-17 para Portugal é infelizmente uma miragem.

Embora acredite que a compra de 2 C-17, mantendo-se uma esquadra básica de 5 ou 6 C-130H acabasse por sair mais barata, que um programas de compra de alguns A-400M, que verdadeiramente não estão no patamar do C-17.
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Enviado por: Rui Elias em Novembro 09, 2006, 01:30:43 pm
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First Boeing C-17 for Royal Australian Air Force Takes Maiden Flight


ST. LOUIS, Nov. 08, 2006 -- The first Boeing [NYSE: BA] C-17 Globemaster III for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) completed its maiden flight Nov. 7, logging a major milestone in preparation for the delivery to the RAAF later this month.

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With a gross takeoff weight of 458,000 lbs. (207,745 kg.), the advanced airlifter lifted off from the Long Beach Airport, Calif., at 11:03 a.m. Pacific time and flew for more than five hours before returning to the facility where Boeing assembles and tests C-17s prior to delivery.

"It was an exceptional first flight," said Boeing C-17 Production Test Pilot Joel Brown, who was at the controls when the aircraft lifted off. "Based on today's performance, I think the RAAF will be extremely pleased with this airplane when they take delivery on Nov. 28."

The flight began by heading west over Santa Catalina and San Clemente Islands, performing initial functional checks over the Pacific Ocean. The C-17 then headed east and flew to Edwards Air Force Base where Brown and his crew continued to check the aircraft's systems and performed three touch-and-go landings. The flight completed 80 percent of the functional checks required prior to delivery, including shutdown and restart of engines, one at a time, and testing of emergency backup systems.

"Everything felt great," Brown said. "There were no surprises. The airplane performed exactly as expected. With sunny skies and no turbulence, it was an absolutely perfect day to fly Australia's first C-17 for the first time."

Brown was joined on the flight by a U.S. Air Force pilot, a Boeing and U.S. Air Force loadmaster, and three Boeing support personnel to track the aircraft's functional checks. During the flight, Brown and the other crew members completed a series of checks to ensure the aircraft complies with all U.S. Air Force requirements. Other than the aircraft's unique Australian markings, the new C-17 is identical to the U.S. Air Force C-17s that Boeing is now manufacturing.

The first of four Australian C-17s will be delivered from Long Beach in late November. After a welcome ceremony in Canberra, Australia's capital city, the RAAF's first C-17 will arrive at RAAF Base Amberley, near Brisbane, in early December.


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