Enviado por: MERLIN em Junho 28, 2006, 05:19:16 pm
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Enviado por: Marauder em Junho 29, 2006, 11:21:25 pm
Enviado por: Sintra em Junho 30, 2006, 10:05:05 pm
CINCO anos desde a primeira entrega, e só chegaram 34 aparelhos ás respectivas unidades, a esta velocidade, TALVEZ todos os 294 aviões sejam entregues lá para 2050...
Será que as OGMA andaram a tirar cursos na Dassault ANTES de se começar o upgrade do MLU?
Enviado por: Marauder em Julho 01, 2006, 11:12:19 am
No outro dia acho que eles reduziram esse número, ou meteram uma boa parte na secção do "provavelmente", ou secalhar é um numero futuro.
Segundo esta notícia serão 120 por agora...e talvez "quase 300"..os teus 294 (??) poderão ser contractualizados.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairf ... 60629.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20060629.aspx)
Enviado por: Sintra em Julho 01, 2006, 11:32:38 am
Citação de: "Marauder"
Sintra, 294??
No outro dia acho que eles reduziram esse número, ou meteram uma boa parte na secção do "provavelmente", ou secalhar é um numero futuro.
Segundo esta notícia serão 120 por agora...e talvez "quase 300"..os teus 294 (??) poderão ser contractualizados.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairf ... 60629.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20060629.aspx)
Os 294 eram os que a França planeava adquirir à cinco anos atrás quando entrou o primeiro ao serviço , neste momento o nº já baixou para 272 (60 MN e 212 FAF) e estão contratualizados os tais 120. CUIDADO com os nºs e dados da Strategy Page, ainda ontem estava lá um artigo perfeitamente idiota àcerca do Rafale em que afirmava que este só tinha obtido um contrato de exportação para a... ARÁBIA SAUDITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cumprimentos
Enviado por: Marauder em Julho 01, 2006, 02:48:05 pm
Citação de: "Sintra"
CUIDADO com os nºs e dados da Strategy Page, ainda ontem estava lá um artigo perfeitamente idiota àcerca do Rafale em que afirmava que este só tinha obtido um contrato de exportação para a... ARÁBIA SAUDITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
Sim, a Arábia Saudita deverá receber Typhoons, não Rafales...
Enviado por: Marauder em Agosto 03, 2006, 10:25:11 am
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish ... 006917.php (http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_006917.php)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/16/ ... rfight.php (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/16/business/rairfight.php)
Enviado por: Lancero em Dezembro 07, 2007, 04:21:19 pm
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A Rafale crashed in Corrèze
The pilot is missing.
A Rafale of the airbase SaintDizier crashed in the township of Neuvic, Corrèze, Thursday. According to the Air Force, the aircraft was conducting a training mission. The accident occurred when two jets were on a mission to 4000 m altitude.
The pilot of the Rafale that crashed, "a confirmed aviator," was still missing in the evening. The Air Force did not know if he had been able to use his ejection seat. The aircraft crashed in an uninhabited area and its downfall no casualties.
According to Sirpa air, this is the first time a Rafale crashes. An inquiry has been opened to determine the causes and circumstances of the accident.
O piloto foi encontrado morto e há uma página oficial (http://http) em sua memória
Enviado por: Mar Verde em Dezembro 07, 2007, 07:34:59 pm
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DEFESA@NET 05 Dezembro 2007
TTU 05 Dezembro 2007
Rafale M Operará no USS Eisenhower ©
Prova do aquecimento nas relações franco-americanas nestes últimos meses e a vontade do Presidente Nicolas Sarkozy de que a França reencontre o seu lugar na OTAN, é que os Rafale M(F2), do esquadrão 12F, baseado em Landivisiau, operarão no porta-aviões nuclear CVN USS "Eisenhower, na próxima primavera (outono no hemisfério sul).
Para a França, além da sua participação permanente nos exercícios do NRF (Nato Response Force), criado na Reunião de Praga, em Novembro de 2002, trata de garantir a sua contribuição para as operações da OTAN, e compensar a ausência do porta-aviões "Charles-de-Gaulle", atualmente em PGM (Programa Geral de Manutenção - IPER -Inspection pour Entretien Périodique), até o inverno de 2008 (Verão 2008/2009).
Esta possibilidade tinha sido desenhada pelo Chefe de Estado-Maior da Marine Nationale, Almirante Alain Oudot de Dainville, ele mesmo um aviador naval, na seqüência do curto embarque realizado em 23 de Julho passado, quando dois Rafale M operaram por um dia no porta-aviões USS "Enterprise" (CVN-65), que cruzava o Mar Mediterrâneo próximo à região de Cannes.
Com o pronto apoio do embaixador americano em Paris Craig Stapleton, esta iniciativa vai permitir aos pilotos do Rafale da aviação naval manter suas qualificações e operar em condições reais no mar, participando ao mesmo tempo de missões operacionais do "Carrier Ar Wing Seven" (CAW-7), no Mar Mediterrâneo. Embora deslocando 70.000 toneladas (contra as 44.000 toneladas do "Charles-de-Gaulle"), o USS "Eisenhower" (CVN-69) emprega exatamente o mesmo tipo de catapulta de concepção americana (C13), "train sauteur", mas com uma distância mais longa de corrida para catapultagem.
Não se sabe ainda, se os E-2C Hawkeye do esquadrão 4F, de Lann-Bihoué, participarão desta operação. Um total de dez Rafales M, da Marine Nationale, em princípio, serão integrados ao CAW-7, com os seus pilotos e os mecânicos, provavelmente substituirão um esquadrão de F/A-18 americanos, que será desembarcado, quando o porta-aviões aportar na região de Nápoles.
Atualmente em preparação para a sua próxima missão no Mar Mediterrâneo, o "Ike" agrupará no CAW-7 quatro esquadrões de F/A-18C/E Hornet e Super Hornet (os VF-143, os VFA-83, 103 e 131), um esquadrão de EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-140) e um esquadrão de E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-125) - os "Tigertails".
Os Tigertails deverão participar pela primeira vez no exercício "Tiger Meet 2008" que deverá acontecer na Base de Landivisiau, França, em Junho de 2008.
http://www.defesanet.com.br/france/rafale_cvn.htm (http://www.defesanet.com.br/france/rafale_cvn.htm)
Enviado por: MERLIN em Julho 09, 2008, 04:58:27 pm
"La Délégation générale pour l’armement (DGA) a prononcé, le 1er juillet 2008, la qualification de la version totalement polyvalente de l’avion Rafale , dénommée « F3 », dont les premiers exemplaires produits seront livrés à partir de début 2009. Ceux, déjà en service, seront mis à hauteur de ce nouveau standard.
Le Rafale F2, actuellement en service dans l’armée de l’air et la marine, assure déjà des missions de défense aérienne et d’attaque au sol. Le standard F3 apportera en plus des capacités d’attaque antinavire (avec le missile antinavire AM39 Exocet ) et de reconnaissance aérienne (avec la nacelle RECO NG ), ainsi que de dissuasion nucléaire (avec le missile air-sol de moyenne portée avancée ASMPA )."
fonte: Ministère de la défense
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Enviado por: typhonman em Julho 09, 2008, 07:15:58 pm
Citação de: "Marauder"
Rafale luta por exportações
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish ... 006917.php (http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_006917.php)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/16/ ... rfight.php (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/16/business/rairfight.php)
Mercados Possiveis:
-UAE
-Grécia
-Brasil
Enviado por: borisdedante em Julho 29, 2009, 10:17:33 am
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http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=110775 (http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=110775)
Tente encontrar os intrusos
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Enviado por: Leonardo Besteiro em Julho 29, 2009, 07:17:17 pm
Enviado por: Maginot em Setembro 27, 2009, 01:45:54 am
Logo quando a Dassault conseguiu o primeiro contracto de exportação, para o Qatar.
Enviado por: nelson38899 em Setembro 27, 2009, 12:40:03 pm
Citação de: "Maginot"
despenharam-se 2, com a morte de um dos 2 piltos.
Logo quando a Dassault conseguiu o primeiro contracto de exportação, para o Qatar.
quanto ao qatar sempre vão trocar os mirage 2000-9 por rafale??
Enviado por: borisdedante em Outubro 11, 2009, 04:38:56 pm
Citação de: "nelson38899"
Citação de: "Maginot"despenharam-se 2, com a morte de um dos 2 piltos.
Logo quando a Dassault conseguiu o primeiro contracto de exportação, para o Qatar.
quanto ao qatar sempre vão trocar os mirage 2000-9 por rafale??
Sim mas seria o governo francês a encontrar um novo destino para os caças. O governo não querendo guardar os caças, ele tem de encontrar primeiro um comprador.
Enviado por: borisdedante em Outubro 31, 2009, 04:39:28 pm
Enviado por: Hammerhead em Março 15, 2010, 03:49:01 pm
nao sei se ja foi divulgado aqui neste foruum os resultados dos ultimos testes de simulacao de combate feita na base de Al Dhafra, anos Émirats Arabes, os resultados dao vencedor o Rafale en combate bvr e combate proximo contra o Ef2000/F16cj(block 60) e até contra o F22 e F35 veijam so:
http://blog.avionslegendaires.net/2009/ ... x-emirats/ (http://blog.avionslegendaires.net/2009/11/rafale-vs-f-22-vs-eurofighter-en-combat-aux-emirats/)
http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2009/12/l ... e-est.html (http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2009/12/la-raf-nest-plus-ce-quelle-est.html)
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... -flig.html (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/11/rafale-beats-f-35-f-22-in-flig.html)
So espero que venhao estes depois dos f16!
Rafale forever!
Enviado por: pchunter em Março 15, 2010, 05:49:23 pm
Enviado por: Menacho em Março 17, 2010, 09:57:05 pm
Enviado por: Hammerhead em Março 18, 2010, 10:14:06 am
Os Americanos ficaram muito desiludidos com estes testes de combate do F22 contra o rafale, e a informacao que tenho directamente d'un piloto Rafale de l'armée de l'air Francaise é que a USAF requalificou secretamente o caça Frances de gen.4.5 para caça de 5ta geraçao e vao continuar a fazer tudo para que o caça Frances nao seja vendido a payses estrangeiros...
Aqui na Suissa tive a oportunidade de ver o rafale en testes para a Swiss air force durante o mes de setembro 2009, falei com pilotos Suissos que me diserao o seguinte: O Rafale é um aviao incrivel a pilotar...muito mais simples a pilotar que o EF2000 e o grippen por exemplo(Os pilotos Suissos so presisarao 3 dias para poder pilotar o Rafale) o Rafale é sensivel maniavel perfeito para a Suissa disse me un deles, o que é certo é que a escolha dos pilotos Suisso vai definitivamente para o rafale...mas o programa de testes esta por agora parado por falta de budget!
Menacho va so ler os commentarios dos pilotos us f16 das bases Nellis AFB e Luke AFB...sem commentarios!
Enviado por: Menacho em Março 19, 2010, 04:49:29 pm
Enviado por: 2dmaio em Maio 29, 2010, 07:33:45 pm
1. RAFALE F3（2008 ~ 2012）：
A. The first real omnirole Rafale.
B. New weapons and equipments：RECO-NG, DAMOCLES, ASMP-A, AM-39, GBU-24, and laser-guided rocket pod.
C. RBE-2 PESA radar（AESA upgrading in future）。
D. FSO or FSO-IT.
E. ROVER capability.
F. Every in-service Rafale in France has become F3 configuration after Feb, 2010.
2. RAFALE F3-O4T／Rafale Batch 4（2012 ~ 2017）：
A. The first productional fighter with AESA radar in Europe.
B. New weapons and equipments：Damocles XF, new members of AASM family.
C. RBE-2 AESA radar.
D. FSO-IT.
E. DDM-NG.
F. Spectra EWS upgrading.
G. Possible upgrading choice: HMD.
H. M88 TCO upgrading (M88-4E).
3. RAFALE UAE（2013 ~ ?）：
A. Possibly the first member of Rafale with thrust enhancement.
B. New weapon：Meteor BVRAAM.
C. The main electronic equipments should be the same as Rafale F3-O4T or Rafale Batch5.
D. GMTT and GMTI modes.
E. HMD.
F. New M88 engine with thrust enhancement (20,000 Ib class).
G. RCS reduction.
H. Improvement in weapon load capability at tropic area（SCALP-EG*3 + 2,000 L tank*2 + AAM*6）。
4. RAFALE Batch 5（2018 ~ 2023）：
A. Possibly the first member of Rafale with active stealthy techonology.
B. New weapon：Meteor BVRAAM, Next generation of Damocles.
C. Upgrading RBE-2 AESA radar（GaN？？）+/- side-looking airborne radar antenna.
D. GMTT and GMTI modes.
E. OSF-NG（Techonology of laser radar image？？）.
F. DDM-NG upgrading.
G. Upgrading for Data Fusion.
H. SATCOM Datalink.
I. SPECTRA 5T EWS (GaN).
J. HMD-NG.
K. Air-launched cruising jammer / decoy with deployable wings.
L. Other possible upgrading choices: Active stealthy techonology, LDIRCM, TVC etc…..
5. RAFALE MLU (Post-2020 to 2025…..)：
A. Mid-life upgrading for another 20 to 25 years.
B. Completely new radar and other sensor systems.
C. New M88 engine with thrust enhancement.
D. CFTs for combat range enhancement.
E. Major improvements in fighter’s stealth, EWS, and combat survivability.
F. Remote controller of UCAV.
Enviado por: borisdedante em Junho 09, 2010, 04:32:29 am
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86568 (http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86568)
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86570 (http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86570)
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86627 (http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86627)
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86565 (http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=86565)
Enviado por: borisdedante em Junho 10, 2010, 07:34:55 pm
US, France, UK practice aerial strikes in time with feeble sanctions against Iran
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The low deterrent effect of the sanctions against Iran adopted by the UN Security Council Wednesday, June 9 were manifest from the moment they attained Russian and Chinese endorsement. But its passage in New York found US and French bombers in the middle of a unique exercise simulating a marine force attack on ground targets with close air support.
US and French bombers took off from each other's aircraft carriers, the USS Harry S. Truman and the Charles de Gaulle, while the British planes flew in from their bases in England. Together, they practiced their strike capabilities in a real war. The Canjuers training facility near Toulon stood in for an Iranian target.
Rear Admiral Henri Bobin, commander of the French Fleet Air Arm, said the Charles de Gaulle is seen as a potential deterrent to Iran.
Thursday June 10, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and French Defense Minister Hervé Morin were scheduled to visit the French carrier just after it had spent 15 months in dry dock having its nuclear propulsion system refitted and other upgrades performed. French officers say the Charles de Gaulle' is now "more compatible" with US carriers the adaptation of its steam catapult launch and other systems for take-off and landing.
And indeed, debkafile's military sources report, French Navy F3 Rafale fighters capable of carrying nuclear-tipped ASMP/A missiles flew in from the French carrier and performed touch-and-go landings on the vast deck of the Truman, while American F/A 18/FSuper Hornets performed the same exercises on the French carrier.
In another part of the exercise, American crews for the first time flew French Super Etendard fighters, taking off and landing on the Charles de Gaulle, while French pilots landed American Super Hornets on the decks of the Truman before taking off again.
They also flew "intercepts" against each to test their systems and diversify their pilots' skills.
The simulated landing of a French Rafale F3 landing minus one engine on the Truman deck Friday, June 4, was a dramatic moment: the US carrier's workshops handled the replacement of the "damaged" engine with a new one - the first time that American mechanics had performed a job this complicated on a foreign aircraft, using tools sent over from the Charles de Gaulle.
US Rear Admiral Patrick Driscoll, commander of the American strike force, said the Rafale engine refit was a proof of concept intended to test the technical details of moving the French strike fighter around and below deck "in the precise choreography of carrier operations." This was in keeping with the exercise's catchword: "Interoperability."
The Rafele F3 with its nuclear-tipped ASMP/A is due to be declared operational by the first of July.
As part of the refitting of the US and French carriers for greater compatibility, debkafile's sources report three French E2C Hawkeye spy planes on the Charles de Gaulle were upgraded to the level of the radar aircraft of the same model carried by the Truman, including the replacement of their four-bladed propellers with a more reliable eight-blade version.
Our sources report that from its joint exercise with the French Fleet and the British air force, the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group was due to leave French waters and head for the Arabian Sea opposite Pakistan and Iran via the Suez Canal. It will be stationed therefore for the next six months. Three of the group's destroyers will peel off on route for anti-piracy patrol off the Somali coast.
Enviado por: HaDeS em Agosto 06, 2010, 07:46:40 pm
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Cortes no orçamento militar francês afetarão toda a indústria de defesahttp://www.aereo.jor.br/page/2/ (http://www.aereo.jor.br/page/2/)
A afirmação é do presidente da Dassault, Charles Edelstenne
O site Defense News publicou declarações do presidente da Dassault Aviation Charles Edelstenne, afirmando que os cortes de 3,5 bilhões de euros no orçamento militar francês deverão afetar toda a indústria francesa. Para Edelstenne, “ninguém será poupado”, e a principal preocupação é com cortes potenciais em pesquisa e tecnologia. As declarações foram feitas em coletiva de imprensa realizada no último dia 29 de julho, quando a empresa apresentou seus resultados financeiros do primeiro semestre, dentre os quais destacou-se o crescimento de 37% do lucro.
“Meu único medo é que a pesquisa e tecnologia sejam sacrificadas”, disse o executivo, acrescentando que o futuro corre risco de ser hipotecado pelas questões de curto e médio prazos. Ele também afirmou que, atualmente, os investimentos em pesquisa e tecnologia são de 700 milhões de euros anuais, tendo caído em relação aos níveis de 20 anos atrás.
Os detalhes sobre os cortes no orçamento de defesa francês deverão ser revelados em setembro ou outubro, segundo a Dassault. Para Edelstenne, os cortes nos orçamentos britânicos e franceses “poderão e deverão” funcionar como um catalizador para maior cooperação entre as duas nações. Ele citou o fato dos países estarem cooperando em um projeto de VANT (Veículo Aéreo Não Tripulado) de média altitude e grande autonomia.
Sobre a produção do Rafale, que atualmente é montado na cadência mínima de 11 por ano (em comparação às 2,5 unidades por mês planejada inicialmente), o executivo afirmou que, se a cadência cair ainda mais, a indústria seria afetada. A empresa entregou cinco caças Rafale no primeiro semestre deste ano, comparado a sete entregues no mesmo período do ano passado.
Acrescenta-se o fato de que a Dassault é credora de 200 milhões de euros em pagamentos atrasados do Ministério da Defesa Francês, devido a problemas relacionados a um novo software que gerencia pagamentos governamentais.
Enviado por: AtInf em Agosto 11, 2010, 01:33:39 pm
India Shortlists the European Typhoon and French Rafale for $10 Billion Fighter Buy
August 10, 2010 at 8:17 pm
The Indian Air Force has concluded the technical assessment of six fighter aircraft proposed for the Medium MultiRole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program, paving the way for the Ministry of Defense to decide on the Air Force’s US$10 billion (Rs 42,000 crore) acquisition of 126 new fighters plus options for additional 63. The six proposals considered by the Indians included the Typhoon, proposed by the European Eurofighter consortium, the French Rafale from Dassault, the Russian MiG-35 from United Aircraft Corporation subsidiary RSK-MiG, the Gripen E/F, proposed by the Swedish Saab group; Two proposals were submitted by U.S. companies – Boeing offered the Super Hornet F/A-18 E/F and Lockheed Martin proposed the F-16 E/F Fighting Falcon. The Air Force report provides a technical assessment of the six candidates. The commercial proposals, including industrial cooperation and local participation will be evaluated by the MOD beginning this week. According to unconfirmed media reports, the Indians, seeking a modern, western fighter, have rated both European fighters – the Rafale and Typhoon as the most preferred types and both are shortlisted for the next phase with the Boeing Super Hornet considered a ‘marginal option’. The Swedish Gripen was determined to be redundant to India’s indigenous Teja; both the Russian MiG-35 and the U.S. F-16E/F are based on obsolete platforms (both are based on 40 year old platform designs) and hence are not conforming with the program’s primary directive. Apture™
Based on the MiG-29M OTV, MiG-35 (Nato reporting name Fulcrum F), is equipped with advanced avionic suite comprising of a modern glass cockpit designed with three 6x8 inch flat-panel LCDs and full HOTAS controls, digital map, helmet-mounted sight. The latest Zhuk-AE active electronically scanning...Continue on to defense-update.com However, the weight of the technical parameters in the final evaluation is not exclusive and determinant, since final decisions on the MMRCA will be based on the economic and political interests. New Delhi’s aim to tighten its relations with Europe is clear, and such deals are likely, since India has signed significant orders with Franch and the U.K. in the past. However, Russia still has the inroad to India’s military and politics and, therefore, despite its financial alleged insufficient engine lifespan shortcoming, “the MiG-35 is likely to remain in the picture until the end” according to Sergei Kornyev, the department head of Russia’s Air Force special equipment and services at a press conference in Farnborough last month. Facing serious consequences of the planned reduction of 90 Typhoons destined for the RAF and Italian Air Force, Eurofighter is hopeful that winning the MMRCA program could compensate for these production losses and boost the program research and development for the advanced, multirole Tranch 3 phase. For Dassault, being shortlisted by the Indian could drive Brazil to finally announce its FX-2 decision in favor of the French fighter. Winning both program could transform the Rafale from a lame duck into the leading fighter in the export market, offering the French, Indian and Brazilian aerospace industries attractive prospects for the future.
The final decision on the Indian MMRCA fighter of choice could be taken around 2011-2012. Indian Air Force officials are hopeful that Initial deliveries could be expedited and arrive in India two years after the contract award.
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Rafale M reabastecedor _ Rafale M com 4 AASM + Damoclèse _ Rafale M com 4 AASM
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Note-se as limitações a nível de armamento do Mirage 2000 quando comparado com o Rafale.
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Enviado por: Leonidas em Fevereiro 05, 2012, 11:02:18 pm
Citação de: "Giovanni de Briganti"
The Real Reasons for Rafale’s Indian Victory
(Source: defense-aerospace.com; published Feb. 1, 2012)
By Giovanni de Briganti
PARIS --- While many observers cite technology transfer, prices and performance as being major factors in India’s selection of the Rafale as its next-generation fighter, reality is very different even if these factors obviously did play a significant role.
In the same way that it is true that Rafale lost several competitions through no fault of its own, it must be recognized that its victory in India was also won, to a great extent, through no fault of its own. The real reason for its victory is political, and the long memory of Indian politicians was a major contributing factor.
This is not to say, however, that Rafale’s own impressive qualities had nothing to do with its selection. The Indian Air Force, which was extensively briefed by the French air force in the autumn, was particularly impressed by its operational performance during the Libyan bombing campaign and in Afghanistan. Rafale also has a naval variant which could be of future interest to India, given its plans to buy and build aircraft carriers, while the recent decision to upgrade India’s Mirage 2000H fighters will simplify the air force’s logistics chain, as these will share with Rafale many weapons and other equipment.
The Indian Air Force also is a satisfied user of long standing of French fighters, going back to the Dassault Ouragan in the 1950s. It was also particularly appreciative of the performance of its Mirages during the 1999 Kargil campaign against Pakistan, and of the support it then obtained from France. During that campaign, India obtained French clearance – and possibly more - to urgently adapt Israeli and Russian-supplied laser-guided bombs to the Mirages, which were thus able to successfully engage high-altitude targets that Indian MiG-23s and MiG-27s had been unable to reach.
Rafale was preferred because of lower costs, and the Indian air force's familiarity with French warplanes such as the Mirage, Bloomberg reported Feb. 1 quoting an Indian source who asked not be named. "Unit-wise, the French plane is much cheaper than the Eurofighter. Moreover, the Indian air force, which is well equipped with French fighters, is favouring the French," the source said.
To Indian officials, France’s steadfastness as a military ally contrasted strongly with that of the United States, which stopped F-16 deliveries to Pakistan (but kept the money) when it found it expedient to do so, and slowed or vetoed delivery of components for Light Combat Aircraft that India was developing. And, of course, the 1998 arms embargo, decreed by the US after India’s nuclear test in May of that year, left a very bad taste in Indian mouths. France, on the contrary, was the only Western nation not to impose sanctions on that occasion.
That, Indian sources say, was New Delhi’s real reason for eliminating Boeing and Lockheed Martin from the fighter competition; India has resolved, these sources say, to buy only second-line equipment from the U.S., such as transport (C-17, C-130J) or maritime patrol aircraft (P-8I). Vital weapons such as missiles and fighters, when they cannot be locally produced, will remain the preserve of France and Russia.
Political considerations were also a significant factor playing against Rafale’s final competitor, the Eurofighter Typhoon. As this aircraft is produced by a consortium of four nations, each with different foreign policies and different attitudes and tolerances to arms exports, Indian officials were a bit nervous about their ultimate reliability as a single supplier.
Germany is a long-standing Indian aviation partner, and a respected role model for Indian politicians, many of whom were educated there. German companies – essentially the former Messerschmitt-Boelkow-Blohm, now part of EADS - helped Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. develop both the LCA and the Advanced Light Helicopter, now called Dhruv. These links were the reason the Eurofighter bid was led by Germany’s Cassidian, and not BAE Systems, the former colonial power. But Germany had dithered over technology transfer for LCA, soft-pedaled on ALH tech transfer when German pacifists raised their eyebrows, and coughed when India almost went to war with Pakistan over Kargil and Kashmir, so in the final analysis it could not be considered a reliable supplier of major weapons.
Italy has never sold a major weapon to India, and so could bring neither influence nor reputation to support Eurofighter, while the third partner, Spain, is totally absent from the Indian military landscape.
This left BAE Systems as the best-known Eurofighter partner in India, and so by default as its ultimate public face. BAE in 2003 sold £1.5 billion’s worth of Hawk jet trainers to India, with a follow-on, £500 million order in 2010. However, its previous major sale to India was the Jaguar light attack aircraft in the 1970s. In fact, this aircraft was jointly developed by Britain and France on a 50/50 basis, and while it was license-produced by HAL it was never really successful as a fighter. Furthermore, France could claim as much benefit from its Indian career as BAE.
Taken together, the Eurofighter partner nations posed an even thornier problem: in case of war, German law prohibits deliveries of weapons and spares, Italian law and public opinions would demand an embargo, while Spanish legislation is murky. What would happen, Indian politicians must have wondered, if after buying the Eurofighter they went to war? Would spares and weapons be forthcoming, or would they be embargoed? The political risk was obviously too big to take.
Weapons also played a significant role in persuading India to opt for Rafale: not only is its weapons range mostly French-made, and thus not subject to a third-party embargo, but so are all of its sensors. Eurofighter, whose air-to-air missiles include the US-made AIM-120 Amraam and the German-led IRIS-T, and whose primary air-to-ground weapon is the US-made Paveway, was obviously at a competitive disadvantage in this respect.
Furthermore, the Rafale is nuclear-capable and will replace the Mirage 2000N in French service as the carrier of the newly-upgraded ASMP/A nuclear stand-off missile; it is also capable of firing the AM-39 Exocet missile, giving it an anti-ship capability that its competitors do not have. India is also interested in fitting its BrahMos supersonic missile to a wide range of its combat aircraft, and Rafale could apparently carry it.
Given that India had sworn to buy the cheapest compliant competitor, it would have been unable to justify picking the Rafale had this not been offered at the lower price. While official figures have not been released, and indeed may never be, initial reports from New Delhi claim that Rafale was offered at a unit price of $4-$5 million less than Eurofighter, which is a surprisingly large advantage given the French aircraft’s reputation of being high-priced.
The French offer also featured substantially lower costs of ownership, according to the same reports, thanks to lower fuel consumption and simpler maintenance requirements.
If true, these figures imply the French offer undercut Eurofighter by over $600 million, which is a large enough difference for one French insider to wonder whether Dassault Aviation will ever make any money on the contract.
But, even if it doesn’t, the Indian contract gives Rafale instant legitimacy, not only because of the thoroughness and transparency of the bidding process, but also because India is the only country to have fought four and a half major wars since 1948, and so knows something about air combat.
For Dassault, the Rafale program will now remain active, with a stabilized production line, for decades to come, and the company will have that much more time to find additional customers. Keeping its production line and supply chain humming at an economically-viable rate are sufficiently valuable achievements to push immediate profits into the sidelines. Supporting 126 – and possibly 206, if India buys an optional second batch – combat aircraft, and providing spares, fixes and upgrades over the next 40 years, will generate gigantic profits, and this more than justified lowering Dassault’s notoriously high profit margins.
In fact, as one industry official noted, "this is France's answer to 'Al Yamamah', but with twice as many aircraft," drawing a parallel with the UK's sale of Tornado fighters and related services to Saudi Arabia, which was instrumental in keeping BAE Systems prosperous throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
And, as French Defense Minister Gérard Longuet told reporters during an impromptu press conference in Parliament, France may soon find “that good news travels in formation,” implying that further, long-deferred contracts might soon be announced.
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Antes de mais:
Os meus parabéns para os franceses. Conseguiram uma vitória com todo o mérito.
Sobre este texto apenas apresentarei aqui um excerto que me parece o mais interessante como termo de comparação entre o Rafale e o EF2000. Apenas isto, e só isto. Não é á toa que o faço, porque considerei sempre o EF2000 inferior ao Rafale, se bem que por pouca margem. Para mim a questão, até á data, para mim, era na parte eletrónica. Ou seja, o Rafale possuir um radar mais avançado do que o EF2000, ou que, pelo mesnos, permite ir mais além do que o radar do EF2000, era a razão principal para uma escolha técnica em detrimento do EF2000. No entanto, por quem sabe bem mais do que eu:
“The French offer also featured substantially lower costs of ownership, according to the same reports, thanks to lower fuel consumption and simpler maintenance requirements”
Para quem afirmava que os motores M-88 eram de inferior qualidade, tem aqui muito em que pensar. Não sei se outros países que estão interessados no Rafale chegaram á mesma conclusão, mas fiquei bastante surpreendido com esta afirmação, a ser verdade!
Cump.
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India to Share Its $10 bn Fighter Selection Experience with Brazil
(Source: Times of India; published Feb. 8, 2012)
NEW DELHI --- In an unusual bilateral tie-up, India has agreed to share with Brazil some of its experiences of carrying out an open tender evaluation to select a fighter for the over $10 billion MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) contract. Brazil is presently in the process of selecting a fighter for its air force.
India conveyed its willingness to share some of its documentation on the MMRCA contract during a meeting between defence minister AK Antony and his Brazilian counterpart Celso Amorim.
"Brazil is in the process of buying a fighter jet. You have already reached the final stages of the fighter selection for the air force. They have promised to give us some documents on the selection process, such as basic rules on the tender process that we could compare to ours," Amorim told TOI.
Amorim met Antony and national security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon on Monday in New Delhi, and the two sides held bilateral defence consultations at various levels.
Amorim said Brazil was eager to learn from India's process of finalizing Rafale, the French fighter, for the over $10 billion MMRCA contract. It is one of the world's biggest defence tenders right now.
Brazil is looking to buy 36 new fighters for its air force. The tender had left it open to the possibility of the number of fighters going up to 120. The tender could run into several billion dollars, though the initial estimate was just $2.2 billion. Brazil has already made a pre-selection of three fighters - Rafale, F-18 and Gripen-NG and one will finally be selected.
"Wherever there is a possibility we should always look for sharing of experience, of course while respecting confidentiality," Amorim said. "Sharing of experience doesn't mean we follow your decision," he added. The minister also said they would be looking at discussing Indian experience of building a fifth generation fighter with Russia. Brazil is also providing India an exclusively developed catalogue of NATO military equipment, in which India was interested, he said.
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Egypt could become the first export customer for Dassault’s Rafale fighter, after a financing package was tentatively agreed this week by the two governments. The deal will be signed if and when Egypt can make a €500 million down payment. (Dassault photo)
PARIS --- Egypt is close to signing a long-rumored order for 24 Dassault Rafale combat aircraft and one FREMM frigate, a package which according French media reports is worth €5 to €6 billion.
The order looks imminent as the French and Egyptian governments are reported to have reached a tentative agreement this week on the related financing package, during a visit here by an Egyptian government delegation. Rafale maker Dassault Aviation declined to comment on the deal, AFP wire service reported.
The agreement, reported Feb 05 by Paris business daily Les Echos, primarily revolves around the French export credit bank, COFACE, as cash-strapped Egypt does not have the money to pay for the entire package. COFACE will guarantee 50% of the deal’s value, down from the initial 80-90% requested by Egypt, and financing will be provided by a pool of French banks and possibly Saudi Arabia. Egypt has reportedly agreed to make a down payment of €500 million.
Egypt wants to have its first Rafales in service by August, for the inauguration of the expanded Suez Canal, and also wants early delivery of the frigate, which requires agreement of the financing package and contract signature in a matter of weeks.
The French government, whose multiyear defense budget depends on Rafale exports, has agreed to give Egypt an initial batch of Rafales already in service with its own air force, as well as the French navy’s llatest FREMM frigate, which is currently completing sea trials.
Meeting the delivery deadlines requested by Egypt depends, however, on whether and when it will make the down payment.
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Enviado por: HSMW em Fevereiro 13, 2015, 04:48:06 pm
Está feito!
F-16 Block 40 e 52, Mirage-2000, Mirage V, Mig-21 e agora Rafale.
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Enviado por: P44 em Março 26, 2015, 06:32:24 pm
France asserted on Wednesday, March 25, that it was willing to provide an industrial cooperation with Indonesia should the Dassault Rafale jet fighter be selected to modernize the Indonesian Air Force. French Ambassador to Indonesia Corinne Breuzé said that France was open to all cooperation possibilities involving French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation and state-owned aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI).
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Two Dassault Rafale jet fighters arrived on Monday in Indonesia from the just-concluded LIMA '15 exhibition
“With the support of the French government, Dassault is open to any possibility of partnerships and transfer technology,” she said in a prepared statement.
Other than technology transfer, she said that being 100 percent French, the Rafale would allow its users independence. “It is designed with Safran/Snecma for the engine, Thales for the avionics and MBDA for the armament,” she said.
Breuzé was speaking at an event to introduce the French jet fighter to the Indonesian public, at the Halim Perdanakusuma Air Force Base in East Jakarta.
She said that the decision to bring the Rafale to Jakarta, despite a high level of operational engagement especially in Iraq, was made by the French defense minister and air force following a courtesy call from Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu, who met his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian on March 10.
Ryamizard also visited the Rafale’s assembly line in Bordeaux-Merignac during the March visit.
Two Rafale jet fighters, a Rafale B double-seater and a Rafale C single-seater, arrived on Monday from the just-concluded 2015 Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) exhibition in Malaysia.
On Tuesday, the jet fighters performed three flights for Indonesian Air Force pilots who flew on the Rafale B, taking the back seat.
There was also a solo aerobatic display performed by Capt. Benoit Blanche of the French Air Force.
The Rafale is a latecomer in the competition to replace the aging American-made F-5 E/F Tiger II operated by the Indonesian Air Force.
The French jet fighter is facing tough competition, locking horns with a stable of other contenders including the Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35, American-made F-16 Block 60, Swedish-made Saab JAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, a collaboration between Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK.
The Indonesian Air Force has repeatedly said it prefers the Su-35, the latest iteration of the Flanker family of jet fighters, although the final decision will be made by the Defense Ministry.
Meanwhile, Dassault Aviation executive vice president for America, Africa and Asia military sales JPHP Chabriol told The Jakarta Post that the best example of French will to transfer technology was India, which selected the Rafale.
He said that from an order of 126 units, 18 were supposed to be produced in France and the rest to be produced locally by Indian industries through progressive transfer of technology.
“From French authorities’ point of view as well as from French industry, there is no limitation to transfer technologies of the Rafale to friendly foreign countries,” he said.
“The only constraints we have are linked to the budgetary aspect, good sense and cost efficiency.”
He said Dassault and all associated French companies were quite open to discussions with Indonesian actors to set up a program that suited Indonesian requirements.
“We are not imposing anything; we are ready for discussion to define what is the optimized scheme of transfer of technology in the framework of the Rafale bid,” Chabriol said.
Other than technology transfer, Chabriol emphasized that Indonesia would get total independence if it selected the Rafale because, as it is a 100-percent French product, Indonesia would not have to deal with a third party.
Another advantage of buying the Rafale, he added, was that it could be deployed with very minimal logistical support.
(Source: The Jakarta Post)
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Enviado por: P44 em Abril 10, 2015, 07:32:23 pm
(Source: Hindustan Times; published Apr 10, 2015)
NEW DELHI --- India is considering a direct purchase of two squadrons of the French Rafale fighter plane to avoid the mire of price negotiations that the deal for 126 of these aircraft has been stuck in since January 2012.
The Dassault-manufactured Rafale fighter was on January 31, 2012 announced as the preferred bidder in the $13-billion contract for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). India is now seriously considering strategic purchase of up to 40 Rafales for the Indian Air Force (IAF) through the government-to-government (G2G) route on account of operational necessity. The tentative price tag of this deal would be over $4 billion.
New Delhi and Paris remain silent on the new proposal.
But, a senior official involved in the deal says the decision to bypass the 2004 MMRCA tender route - on the basis of which Rafale emerged in the lead - was taken as both Dassault and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) were unable to bridge price differences arising out of original request for proposals (RFP).
"After detailed analysis of the RFP and the laborious process followed by the previous government, it was evident that the entire deal could not be worked out with serious discrepancies in the negotiations that could lead to litigation in future," said a senior official.
The 2012 deal envisages 18 ready-to-fly Rafales supplied to the IAF by this year, and the remaining 108 to be manufactured under licence in India.
With the NDA government not willing to let the IAF fighter squadron strength dip into the critical zone in coming years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and French President François Hollande will on Friday discuss ways to clinch the Rafale deal.
"If the French company is willing to lower the price per aircraft due to recovery of development costs on missiles, ammunition and sale to other countries, then India could go for outright purchase of the 4.5 generation fighter through the French government route. The deal could be negotiated and signed in 2015 itself but numbers to be purchased depend on offered price. India has purchased the Lockheed Martin C-130 J Super Hercules, Boeing C-17 Globemaster and P-8I Poseidon aircraft from the US on the basis of strategic requirement and operational necessity through the G2G route," a senior official told Hindustan Times.
The IAF's sanctioned strength is 42 squadrons but it is currently operating only 34 with the Russian-origin Sukhoi 30 MKI being the teeth and the Soviet-era MiG-21 forming the long tail. Given the serviceability, repair and upgrade of these fighters and that eight MiG-21 squadrons are to be phased out in the next eight years, the IAF is set to be heavily depleted. It is in this context that the Modi government plans to have two or three Rafale squadrons to spearhead the IAF with the indigenously made Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) replacing the MiG-21 in coming years.
The French government is expected to join the 'Make in India' initiative with an offer of two or three top defence technologies, and New Delhi is not adverse to Dassault floating a joint venture with a private company to build more Rafales in India. Similar offers of building fighters in India will also be made to other MMRCA competitors like the Saab Gripen, Boeing F-18, EADS Eurofighter, Russian MiG-35 and Lockheed Martin F-16 so that the IAF dominates the evolving security scenario in Asia.
(EDITOR’S NOTE: If confirmed, a direct purchase by India would resolve most of the bottlenecks that have blocked contract negotiations over the past three years, and which mostly focus on the price of the 108 Indian-made aircraft and on who would provide their contractual warranty.
The fundamental problem, however, is that by codifying and closely regulating as many aspects of defense procurement as it could, India’s previous government created a web of red tape so complex and so arcane that mutually-acceptable defense deals have become virtually impossible.
Another – and so far unsaid - factor is that HAL’s work-force is not yet capable of assembling aircraft as advanced as Rafale, and the Indian government appears to have realized that it was insisting on an expensive and time-consuming industrial fantasy that it would probably be unable to implement in the short term.
Coincidentally, Reuters today reported on this very issue.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/ ... =worldNews (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-india-defence-idUSKBN0MY26W20150407?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews)A direct purchase would elegantly sidestep thorny coproduction issues, give India fixed, firm prices guaranteed by the French government, and relieve the current pressure to conclude a license production agreement that suits neither side.
Possibly even more importantly, it is an ideal way out of the continuing impasse because it saves everyone’s face and assigns no blame. In fact, it has no down side.
Finally, a direct purchase of 40 Rafales would remain within the original parameters of the MMRCA program. Originally, India wanted to buy 18 fighters off the shelf and assemble another 108 in-country, with an option on 63 more, for a total of 189. This latest plan, if confirmed, simply brings forward most of the optional batch, leaving the remaining 150-odd to be procured at some later, and more opportune, time.)
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Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 10, 2015, 09:42:06 pm
It means that instead of 126 Rafales, India will purchase 144.
Quite a coup for the French.
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Enviado por: nelson38899 em Abril 11, 2015, 12:13:25 am
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L’Inde annonce son intention d’acquérir rapidement 36 Rafale
Paris, le 10 avril 2015 - Dassault Aviation, qui fournit les Forces aériennes indiennes depuis plus de soixante ans, est honoré de la confiance réitérée du Gouvernement indien et se félicite de son intention de finaliser une acquisition de 36 Rafale à des conditions qui permettront de satisfaire rapidement les besoins de sécurité de l’Inde.
Dassault Aviation remercie les Autorités indiennes de lui donner l’opportunité de poursuivre et de renforcer leur collaboration, et rappelle sa fierté de contribuer à la défense et à la souveraineté de l’Inde.
« Au moment où nous livrons les premiers Mirage 2000 rétrofités, je me réjouis de la décision des Autorités indiennes qui donne un nouvel élan à notre partenariat pour les prochaines décennies et qui s’inscrit dans la relation stratégique unissant la France et l’Inde », a déclaré Eric Trappier, Président-Directeur général de Dassault Aviation.
A propos de Dassault Aviation
Avec plus de 8 000 avions militaires et civils livrés dans plus de 90 pays depuis 60 ans et représentant plus de 28 millions d’heures de vol, Dassault Aviation dispose d’un savoir-faire et d’une expérience reconnus dans la conception, le développement, la vente et le support de tous les types d’avion, depuis l’appareil de combat Rafale jusqu’à la famille de business jets haut de gamme Falcon en passant par les drones militaires. En 2014, le chiffre d’affaires de Dassault Aviation s’est élevé à 3,68 milliards d’euros. La société compte près de 11 600 collaborateurs.
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/dassault-aviation/presse/press-kits/linde-annonce-son-intention-dacquerir-rapidement-36-rafale/
Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 11, 2015, 12:31:35 am
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Un vrai triomphe pour l'industrie de l'aviation française. Mes félicitations les plus sincères.
Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 11, 2015, 12:01:25 pm
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Enviado por: nelson38899 em Abril 11, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
ps. Se Portugal alguma vez for comprar um caça novo que seja um Gripen, ou então o F35, visto que o F35 é de quinta geração e tem um preço perto de um rafale ou eurofighter.
Enviado por: NVF em Abril 11, 2015, 02:14:56 pm
Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 11, 2015, 09:48:54 pm
Citação de: "NVF"
Estos contratos, tipicamente, incluem (...) as armas que vão equipar os aviões
O preço de cada Rafale para a exportação é de 110 milhões de euros sem o armamento = "Le prix d'un Rafale à l'export étant estimé à 110 millions d'euros sans les armements" http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... _3324.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2015/04/10/l-inde-commande-36-avions-de-chasse-rafale-a-la-france_4614097_3324.html)
Cumprimentos.
Enviado por: nelson38899 em Abril 11, 2015, 11:15:13 pm
Enviado por: nelson38899 em Abril 14, 2015, 12:40:53 pm
http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/india-mmrca-oficialmente-cancelado-mig-21-sera-substituido-pelo-hal-tejas/
Enviado por: Johnnie em Abril 14, 2015, 12:45:21 pm
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India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday announced a plan to buy 36 planes from Dassault through the government-to-government route, after three years of price negotiations for local assembly of the aircraft produced no results.Segundo a Reuters os Indianos vão comprar 36 Rafale "ready to fly" para já e não descartam a hipótese de comprar mais no futuro. Qualquer compra porem ficará dependente de dialogo directo entre Nova Deli e Paris, ficando a construção planificada pela HAL e os 126 aviões que iriam ser construídos sem efeito.
"This had to be done to break the vortex," he said, adding that the preferred method was now to talk directly to the French government, rather than return to commercial negotiations.
"Instead of going through the RFP (Request For Proposal bidding process), where there is lot of confusion, chaos, it is now the situation that 36 will be procured ready to fly. What is to be done with the rest will have to be discussed," Parrikar said.
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Enviado por: Luso em Abril 14, 2015, 09:36:11 pm
A indústria de armamentos Indiana parece demonstrar algumas deficiências (armas ligeiras e carros de combate) algo estranho para um país daquela dimensão.
Enviado por: overlord em Abril 14, 2015, 09:46:06 pm
Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 14, 2015, 10:18:47 pm
Enviado por: mafets em Abril 14, 2015, 11:15:37 pm
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O maior problema foi as transferências de tecnologia, sobretudo do aesa rbe2 que a Thales nem que "chovessem canivetes" queriam passar aos indianos. Por último ás costumeiras pressões políticas, sobretudo na india e a já referida escalada de custos "mataram" o projecto de construir rafale em terras indianas. Fica para já a compra de 36 aparelhos e depois logo se verá ( sobretudo de como correr o T50)
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Enviado por: Get_It em Abril 19, 2015, 12:51:50 am
Citação de: "Sandeep Dikshit"
UPA did dither in the deal with French company Dassault, but it was more to ensure transparency. Thus, Modi’s decision to buy 36 fighters off the shelf is surprising. What becomes of his Make-in-India pitch, what’s the untold content of the deal?Fonte: http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunday-special/perspective/the-shock-and-awe-in-rafale-deal/69129.html
ON a tolerable day in Paris when the temperature was a balmy 21 degrees, Prime Minister Narendra Modi may have appeared to have flunked his first test for a man who claimed defence manufacturing was at the heart of his Make-in-India programme to create more jobs.
Emerging from talks with French President Francoise Hollande, Modi junked a decade-long selection process for fighter planes by announcing the immediate purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from the stable of the politically well-connected Dassault family.
This effectively buried the previous government’s grand plans of transparency in the selection process and leveraging the huge tender (initially Rs 42,000 crore, but now in the region of Rs 1.2 lakh crore) to create a hub of high tech in India by asking the winning company to source half the tender amount from India.
For the first time since he took power, Modi was also exposed to murmurs of having jettisoned transparency. The recent auctions for telecom spectrum and coal blocks were smooth affairs and netted the government much beyond what it had bargained for. But the bolt-from-the-blue approach to consummating the deal for fighters with France was not helped by a flurry of Tweets by Subramanian Swamy, an inveterate Modi backer, or the explanation that it had now become a Government-to-Government (G2G) deal.
The Indian armed forces have long been used to purchases of defence equipment taking a long slow route that lasts decades. The British advanced jet trainer was finally bought 20 years after talks first opened and several trainee pilots along with experienced teachers had died while cutting their teeth on the unforgiving MiG-21, whose high take-off and landing speeds spell trouble in case of a slight miscalculation. The hunt for a replacement to Bofors artillery guns has run through the tenures of the Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh governments, and there is no end in sight yet.
On cusp of a Bofors moment?
As was the case with Bofors guns, Rafale is an excellent plane. No arguments about that though Subramanian Swamy thought otherwise up to the moment Modi signed the pact with France. As was the case with Bofors, the Indian Air Force desperately needs planes that can perform several functions — fly low and long to bomb targets and get up in the air quickly to have enough maneuverability to take on enemy planes trying to bomb an airfield, bridge or an oil refinery. So, did he do the right thing by short-circuiting the elaborate toothcombing by the Defence Ministry by placing an order for 36 ready-made planes?
Apart from the bare cupboard of the Army when Rajiv Gandhi opted for Bofors and of the IAF when Modi inked the pact for 36 Rafale fighters, there is little in common between the two decisions.
The tender for 126 medium fighter planes was supposed to be different. With Sonia Gandhi as Chairperson, the United Progressive Alliance knew better than any regime the political fallout of a defence bribery scandal. Bofors made Rajiv Gandhi’s 400-plus seat cushion in Lok Sabha a bitter memory and the purchase of coffins during George Fernandes’ tenure at the Defence Ministry contributed to the erosion of goodwill earned by the Vajpayee government for astutely managing the Kargil conflict.
So, taking a lesson from both, the UPA installed AK Antony as Defence Minister and made nearly all mega purchases of defence equipment into a competitive affair in which all bidders were invited for pre and post-bid conferences. What must have been on top of Modi’s mind was that neither of the two approaches worked and some crucial sectors in defence seemed to be slipping back to the pre-Kargil state of neglect. Antony was prone to referring every single complaint to the Central Bureau of Investigation, even if it was an innocuous Defence Ministry letter with nil security implications. And the competitive tender approach activated the dirty tricks department of almost every company in the fray, causing Antony to defer a decision on multi role helicopters, artillery guns and, of course, the 126 fighter plane tender.
In the 126 plane tender, Dassault, a veteran of the Indian defence market since 1957, was unwilling to guarantee the delivery schedules of planes to be made in India, nor was it ready to lower the price — which had ballooned to Rs 1.8 lakh crore by January this year.
India was also caught in a diplomatic tangle with France. Its company Areva was unable to set up six nuclear plants in Maharashtra despite a written assurance by then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and despite Paris having been among the most enthusiastic in urging some recalcitrant Nuclear Suppliers’ Group (NSG) countries to vote to end India’s exclusion from the global commerce mainstream. Also, it was unable to act on assurances of an early order to Rafale given to previous French President Nicolas Sarkozy (whose party is backed by the Dassault family) as well as the incumbent, who too would like to remain on the right side of the Dassault clan.
So far the 36 plane order might not be a fit case for approaching the courts. This is because technically Modi has simply expressed his intention to buy the planes and nothing more. It is also untrue that no country is interested in Rafale. Egypt has an order for 24 and Qatar and UAE are reported to be interested as well.
More Rafale purchases
Since the announcement was made by the top executive authority of India, it cannot be cancelled. So it can be argued that India will now be forced to purchase more and more of Rafale planes to make up for the shortfall of MiGs, that are gradually being pulled out from active services. But the urge to somehow meet IAF’s requirement — if it was really that — has also undoubtedly weakened India’s negotiating position for better terms for maintenance.
Modi’s real test will come when negotiators sit down to pencil the fineprint. India will seek technology transfer while France is bound to seek a firm commitment for more planes. India must also get the software source code so that it can refigure the weapon systems and onboard equipment. A competitive approach was always going to be difficult. Most of India’s defence acquisitions have been through the direct negotiations route, be they the three aircraft carriers so far, the Sukhois, the T-90 tanks, frigates and destroyers, the AN-32, Il-76, C-17 and C-130 transport planes or even the Bofors guns. Technology transfer was also not negotiated in advance in many of the cases.
What Modi has to watch out for is better terms and conditions when his negotiators sit down to map the delivery schedules of the 36 planes and future orders. No one would be more competent to detect the chinks in the deal than the present Comproller and Auditor General of India, who was the Director General (Acquisitions) and then the Defence Secretary when the tender route was being pursued.
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New fighters for IAF: 5 yrs in the making
The loss of MiG-21s during the Kargil conflict and superior performance by the French Mirage in hitting Pakistani forces’ supply lines contributed to the enemy capitulation and made the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government taking up Indian Air Force’s request for new fighters in real earnest in 2000.
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The problem Indian Air Force faces
Indian Air Force wants 45 fighter squadrons (18 in each squadron) for a two-front collusive threat. Many bombers and interceptors, all from the MiG stable, are to retire over the next five-six years.
Government authorised strength is 42 squadrons
IAF today has 25 active fighter squadrons, according to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence. But IAF claims the number is 39.
14 squadrons of MiG-21 (VikramTrishul, now Bison) and MiG-27 (Bahadur) aircraft to retire by 2024
Canberras, used for bombing runs, have already retired
Theoretically, the squadron strength will go down to 11 if there are no replacements.
But that is the worst case scenario. At least 13 Sukhois planes are getting inducted every year, almost the entire remaining fleet is getting life extension/more potent engines and weapon suites
Action Plan to arrest depletion
272 Su-30 MKI to form 13 squadrons by 2020
11 more SukhoiFifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) squadrons
Development of Light Combat Aircraft ‘Tejas’ by HAL accelerated, at least six squadrons are projected
3 Mirage (Vajra) squadrons being upgraded
Therefore, Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (Rafale): 2 squadrons or 36 fighters to be with IAF by 2020, 4 to 5 more squadrons subsequently. Can perform both ground attack and interception functions. Lighter than Sukhoi.
6 Jaguar (Shamsher) squadrons to be upgraded
MiG-29 (Baaz) 68 being upgraded
Plane mounted radars - AWACS - to boost potency
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Enviado por: nelson38899 em Abril 30, 2015, 03:05:13 pm
Enviado por: mayo em Abril 30, 2015, 03:08:51 pm
Enviado por: olisipo em Abril 30, 2015, 07:50:34 pm
● The sale, that will be signed on Monday, has been announced by President Hollande
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The deal includes MBDA missiles and training for 36 pilots and some 100 mechanics.
First delivery is due in 2017, Le Monde reported.
The Qatari deal follows India and Egypt. Egypt signed in February a deal for €5.2 billion, comprising 24 Rafales, a DCNS multimission frigate and missiles, while India announced in April a planned buy of 36 Rafales.
Enviado por: HSMW em Abril 30, 2015, 09:34:41 pm
http://archive.defensenews.com/article/ ... ompetition (http://archive.defensenews.com/article/20131110/DEFREG04/311100014/US-Bid-Delays-Qatar-Jet-Competition)
Enviado por: olisipo em Maio 23, 2015, 12:15:46 pm
Rafale para a Índia: serão apenas 36 unidades do caça, e nada mais
A informação foi difundida hoje pelo IHS Jane's (http://http), que tamben confirmou o cancelamento do MMRCA (..)
O ministro da Defesa da Índia, Manohar Parrikar, deixou claro que o seu país não vai adquirir mais do que 36 unidades do caça Dassault Rafale. (...)
Também foi descartada a hipótese da Índia vir a produzir localmente, sob licença, a aeronave no futuro. Serão apenas 36 unidades do caça, compradas na condição fly away e só!
O ministro (..) fez questão de enfatizar que ao comprar 36 unidades do caça, em vez das 126 originalmente programadas (..) vai haver uma economia de aproximadamente US $ 15.5 bilhões e que esses recursos serão investidos na produção do HAL Tejas Continua: http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/rafale-par ... nada-mais/ (http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/rafale-para-a-india-serao-apenas-36-unidades-do-caca-e-nada-mais/)
http://www.janes.com/article/51616/indi ... 36-rafales (http://www.janes.com/article/51616/indian-defence-minister-draws-lines-at-36-rafales)
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Enviado por: olisipo em Julho 21, 2015, 01:46:47 pm
Egypt receives first Rafale fighters
http://www.janes.com/article/53097/egyp ... e-fighters (http://www.janes.com/article/53097/egypt-receives-first-rafale-fighters)
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The first three of 24 Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft for Egypt arrived in-country a day after being formally handed over on 20 July. (...)
The first delivery comes five months after Egypt announced its decision to acquire 24 (16 two-seaters and 8 one-seaters) Rafale fighters, as well as a large batch of MBDA missiles and other armaments valued at $6 billion. (...)
According to Defensenews.com
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... t/30419843 (http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2015/07/20/france-delivers-first-rafales-egypt/30419843)
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Planes that were supposed to be delivered to the French military were instead handed over to Egypt in order to be able to honour the contract
The French newspaper "20 Minutes" concurs:
http://www.20minutes.fr/economie/165411 ... les-egypte (http://www.20minutes.fr/economie/1654111-20150720-video-dassault-aviation-livre-trois-premiers-rafales-egypte)
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Les trois appareils on été prélevés sur le contingent destiné à l'armée de l'air française (...) Dassault Aviation produit actuellement 11 Rafale par an et n'a pas annoncé à ce jour d'augmentation de cadence