[Edu]

De facto tem toda a razão caro SSK, no entanto no topico onde perguntei tal coisa afirmei que tal resposta podia não ser possivel ser dada (as palavras não foram bem estas). No entanto gostaria de perguntar ao senhor, que claramente tem bons conhecimentos sobre submarinos, as caracteristicas que fazem de um submarino um bom submarino, ou um submarino mais capaz. Não pergunto com isto as caracteristicas do U-209PN. Espero ter me feito entender.

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[P44]

German Navy may take Type 214 submarine originally built for Greece

Sebastian Schulte JDW Correspondent
Bonn

The German Navy is holding talks with ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) about taking in a 214-class submarine originally ordered by the Hellenic Navy, following protracted contractual difficulties between the German shipbuilder and Greece, Jane's has learned.

The unit in question is the submarine S-120 Papanikolis , the first of four 214-class submarines ordered by Athens in 2000. The Greek government refused to accept the submarine in 2006 after sea trials, referring to "technical deficiencies". It still refuses to accept the submarine and has ceased payments altogether, asking for a revision of the nine-year-old contract.

Last September the German defence armaments agency Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung (BWB) conducted extensive sea trials with Papanikolis and certified the submarine's seaworthiness.

Integration of Papanikolis would be relatively simple, because the 214-class submarine is similar to the 212-class in service with the German Navy, a navy official told Jane's . However, the deal would be conditional on the provisos that it should not obstruct the planned third batch of the German Navy's Type 212 submarines and that it would be funded outside the navy's own regular budget.

"Since the submarine has been built to Greek specifications, we would have to modify it first to meet our own national requirements, especially concerning environmental standards," the official said. "The navy would operate it until a new buyer, or another favourable solution, is found."

It is understood that Greece owes TKMS a total of EUR609 million (USD839 million) in outstanding payments.

TKMS and the Greek Defence Procurement Agency had not responded to requests for comment as JDW went to press.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... tcount=636

[Jorge Pereira]

German Navy may take Type 214 submarine originally built for Greece

Sebastian Schulte JDW Correspondent
Bonn

The German Navy is holding talks with ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) about taking in a 214-class submarine originally ordered by the Hellenic Navy, following protracted contractual difficulties between the German shipbuilder and Greece, Jane's has learned.

The unit in question is the submarine S-120 Papanikolis , the first of four 214-class submarines ordered by Athens in 2000. The Greek government refused to accept the submarine in 2006 after sea trials, referring to "technical deficiencies". It still refuses to accept the submarine and has ceased payments altogether, asking for a revision of the nine-year-old contract.

Last September the German defence armaments agency Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung (BWB) conducted extensive sea trials with Papanikolis and certified the submarine's seaworthiness.

Integration of Papanikolis would be relatively simple, because the 214-class submarine is similar to the 212-class in service with the German Navy, a navy official told Jane's . However, the deal would be conditional on the provisos that it should not obstruct the planned third batch of the German Navy's Type 212 submarines and that it would be funded outside the navy's own regular budget.

"Since the submarine has been built to Greek specifications, we would have to modify it first to meet our own national requirements, especially concerning environmental standards," the official said. "The navy would operate it until a new buyer, or another favourable solution, is found."

It is understood that Greece owes TKMS a total of EUR609 million (USD839 million) in outstanding payments.

TKMS and the Greek Defence Procurement Agency had not responded to requests for comment as JDW went to press.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... tcount=636

Pena não ser a Marinha a fazê-lo!

[migbar2]

Eu penso é que se devia encerrar este tópico e abrir outro sobre os nossos U-214, que isto para quem não entenda muito só gera confusão. É minha opinião que o único grande problema dos U-214 é ainda não estarem cá!!!  

[Lightning]

Andava no wikipedia e vi uma coisa, as designações dos americanos para os submarinos mudaram, já não existe SSK, agora existe SS que é submarino de ataque com propulsão diesel eléctrico e SSI que é submarino de ataque com propulsão diesel AIP.

Aguém confirma?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_class ... arine_type

[P44]

Turkey, Germany To Sign Submarine Deal

ANKARA (A.A) - 02.07.2009 - Turkey is set to sign an agreement Thursday with Germany to build six submarines for the Turkish Naval Forces, said a statement issued by the German Embassy in Ankara.

The deal covers six Class-214 air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW), a part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems shipbuilding group, the statement said.

The new class submarines will improve significantly the capability of the Turkish Naval Forces to undertake longer under water operations, the statement said.

A signing ceremony is scheduled today which will gather senior Turkish and German government officials, and naval forces commanders.

Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat has said the submarines would be co-produced with maximum local content at Golcuk Naval Shipyard in Kocaeli, Turkey.

Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul has also stated that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80 percent of the total value of the deal.

As the Turkish Type 214 will have a significant amount of Turkish indigenous systems on board, this variant of the Type 214 will be known as the Type 214TN (Turkish Navy).

HDW will preassemble structural and mechanical parts of the submarine in Germany, or classified elements such as the fuel cells and propulsion system and will then ship them to Turkey.

All electronic and weapon systems, including sensors, communications, and data processing systems, will be of Turkish design and production.

http://www.militarium.eu/article.aspx?ID=2646

[cromwell]

Turkey, Germany To Sign Submarine Deal

ANKARA (A.A) - 02.07.2009 - Turkey is set to sign an agreement Thursday with Germany to build six submarines for the Turkish Naval Forces, said a statement issued by the German Embassy in Ankara.

The deal covers six Class-214 air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW), a part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems shipbuilding group, the statement said.

The new class submarines will improve significantly the capability of the Turkish Naval Forces to undertake longer under water operations, the statement said.

A signing ceremony is scheduled today which will gather senior Turkish and German government officials, and naval forces commanders.

Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat has said the submarines would be co-produced with maximum local content at Golcuk Naval Shipyard in Kocaeli, Turkey.

Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul has also stated that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80 percent of the total value of the deal.

As the Turkish Type 214 will have a significant amount of Turkish indigenous systems on board, this variant of the Type 214 will be known as the Type 214TN (Turkish Navy).

HDW will preassemble structural and mechanical parts of the submarine in Germany, or classified elements such as the fuel cells and propulsion system and will then ship them to Turkey.

All electronic and weapon systems, including sensors, communications, and data processing systems, will be of Turkish design and production.

http://www.militarium.eu/article.aspx?ID=2646

Apesar da a Turquia ser um país da NATO e com boas relações com o Ocidente, a vasta compra de armamento por parte da Turquia pode causar uma grande desconfiançia por parte da Rússia, devido ao Mar Negro.

A instalação dos submarinos no Mar Negro poderá causar alguns disturbios.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Cromwell tu estás tão a "leste" que nem vez o porquê desta aquisição.

[luis filipe silva]

Apesar da a Turquia ser um país da NATO e com boas relações com o Ocidente, a vasta compra de armamento por parte da Turquia pode causar uma grande desconfiançia por parte da Rússia, devido ao Mar Negro.

A instalação dos submarinos no Mar Negro poderá causar alguns disturbios.

Quem poderá ver essas aquisições com alguma apreensão é a Grécia e não a Russia. Além disso os U 214 serão os substitutos da primeira série de U 209 turcos, que deverão ser retirados de serviço a médio prazo.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Quem poderá ver essas aquisições com alguma apreensão é a Grécia e não a Russia. Além disso os U 214 serão os substitutos da primeira série de U 209 turcos, que deverão ser retirados de serviço a médio prazo.

Ora cá está a resposta^^^^

[nelson38899]

Quem poderá ver essas aquisições com alguma apreensão é a Grécia e não a Russia. Além disso os U 214 serão os substitutos da primeira série de U 209 turcos, que deverão ser retirados de serviço a médio prazo.

Ora cá está a resposta^^^^

Não vejo o porquê dessa preocupação, visto que ao longo dos tempos os turcos e os gregos sempre andaram nesta "luta" de agora compro este equipamento e a seguir sou eu a comprar o mesmo.

[luis filipe silva]

Não vejo o porquê dessa preocupação, visto que ao longo dos tempos os turcos e os gregos sempre andaram nesta "luta" de agora compro este equipamento e a seguir sou eu a comprar o mesmo.

O porquê dessa preocupação é que de vez em quando eles usam-no uns contra os outros.

[Cabeça de Martelo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvJKIqN4Lak

[sivispacem]

Apesar da a Turquia ser um país da NATO e com boas relações com o Ocidente, a vasta compra de armamento por parte da Turquia pode causar uma grande desconfiançia por parte da Rússia, devido ao Mar Negro.

A instalação dos submarinos no Mar Negro poderá causar alguns disturbios.

Quem poderá ver essas aquisições com alguma apreensão é a Grécia e não a Russia. Além disso os U 214 serão os substitutos da primeira série de U 209 turcos, que deverão ser retirados de serviço a médio prazo.

Exacto! Além de que para os turcos é relativamente fácil o controle dos acessos do Mar Negro a partir do dominio do estreito do Bósforo, que é uma zona altamente militarizada... esse é uma frente secundária

Só tenho uma dúvida.... o Papanikolas (ou lá como se chama) fará parte desses 6? Não tanto pelo submarino em si, mas pelo quanto isso deixaria os gregos fora de si....  

Cpmts
Carlos Ferreira

[luis filipe silva]

Só tenho uma dúvida.... o Papanikolas (ou lá como se chama) fará parte desses 6? Não tanto pelo submarino em si, mas pelo quanto isso deixaria os gregos fora de si....

Todos os seis serão construídos de raiz, com as especificações da marinha turca.

Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat has said the submarines would be co-produced with maximum local content at Golcuk Naval Shipyard in Kocaeli, Turkey.

Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul has also stated that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80 percent of the total value of the deal.

As the Turkish Type 214 will have a significant amount of Turkish indigenous systems on board, this variant of the Type 214 will be known as the Type 214TN (Turkish Navy).