[Pedro E.]

O morteiro foi uma das armas do crime ( o que e que faz um morteiro junto de camioes que vao distribuir ajuda humanitaria?)

Syria, Russia refutes claims of targeting humanitarian aid convoy in Aleppo countryside
http://sana.sy/en/?p=88558

terrorists from Jabhat al-Nusra carried out a massive attack with heavy support from artillery and rocket launchers in the direction of where the convoy was on Monday at 19:00 Moscow time, adding that the Ministry studied carefully the video published by so-called “activisits” and it showed no sign of any of the convoy’s trucks being hit by military-grade munitions, nor were any craters or signs of damage to the trucks’ structures visible as would be the case had they been struck by air-to-surface explosives.

Konashenkov said that all the video showed was a fire that broke out at the same time as the armed groups were attacking Aleppo, noting that the convoy was passing through an area where armed groups are present, and the Russian Reconciliation Center in Hmeimeem was monitoring it using drones, and at 13:40 Moscow time the convoy arrived successfully at its destination and the Center ceased monitoring it since then, adding that militants in the area were the only side that knew where the convoy was present after that.

[olisipo]

Por favor, poupe a um forum de pessoas inteligentes (segundo o senhor uma "turma") esta interminável repetição do mismo texto de RT., repetido literalmente por a ágência oficial síria SANA.

A afirmação indemostrada da existência dum morteiro na coluna humanitária é um típico argumento da propaganda do Kremlin.

[Pedro E.]

Ate a Reuters que e um media anti-russo tem a coragem de reportar a versao russa.

Russia says truck with mortar gun accompanied aid convoy in Syria - agencies
http://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-convoy-mortar-idUSL8N1BW51Q

A turma americana deve estar a espumar da boca com a propaganda ocidental exposta

imagem de captacao de morteiro rebelde na proximidade de camioes humanitarios.



Ate a Reuters diz que as Nacoes Unidas nao tem provas de se ter tratado dum ataque aereo

U.N. rows back from describing Syria convoy attack as 'air strikes
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN11Q1NR

The United Nations rowed back on Tuesday from describing an attack on an aid convoy in Syria as air strikes, saying it did not have conclusive evidence about what had happened.

[olisipo]

Ate a Reuters que e um media anti-russo tem a coragem de reportar a versao russa.

Russia says truck with mortar gun accompanied aid convoy in Syria - agencies
http://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-convoy-mortar-idUSL8N1BW51Q

Para o senhor, que geralmente apenas usa a TASS, SPUTNIK NEWS, RUSSIA TODAY, etc. este sistema de informar será uma novidade.  As agências occidentais são diferentes das russas, sabe?

[Pedro E.]

Consulto ambos media ocidentais e russos e sei diferenciar a qualidade informativa.

As agencias ocidentais sao diferentes das russas, tem razao nisso. Para pior.

Acabei de ver no noticiario das 23h da RT a noticia de ultima hora de que oficiais americanos apontam definitivamente a culpa deste ataque ao camioes humanitarios a aviacao russa.vi a paula slier a falar desde israel a contar das ultimas da versao americana- dois cacas russos sobrevoaram a area na altura do ataque.

outro media russo tambem ja deu a noticia.

White House Puts Blame on Moscow for Attack on Aid Convoy
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160921/1045528247/white-house-blames-russia-convoy.html

Como ve a "super controlada" comunicacao russa nao tem problemas em mostrar a historia dos dois lados.

Mais conversa amanha. Vou ter um dia longo pela frente.

[olisipo]

Contrainformação no sangrento ataque a uma coluna humanitária na Síria

[olisipo]

EUA apontam o dedo à Rússia

[Pedro E.]

E preciso ser-se ingenuo para nao se perceber o que esta por tras deste burburinho do ataque aos camioes humanitarios.

A Russia tem zero interesse e motivacao neste ataque. Sao literalmente toneladas e toneladas de ajuda humanitaria que envia para a Siria ( ja coloquei ha algumas semanas neste topico varios videos a comprovar isso mesmo). Para que atacar esta caravana?

O que move esta recente acusacao contra a Russia e desviarem as atencoes para o crime hediondo que a coligacao dos EUA cometeu em Deir Ezzor ao bombardear tropas sirias que facilitou o avanco do Daesh nas posicoes do governo. Ja ninguem fala disso.

A mais recente versao fala de caca russos. Sem apresentarem qualquer dado verificavel vale nada mas tem o poder da sugestao, e uma mentira plausivel que muita gente vai aceitar como facto. Desistiram da versao dos helicopteros (nunca mostraram um video) e dos drones russos (que estavam apenas a monitorizar). Nao ha nada que sugere que houve um ataque aereo . Se assim fosse os danos teriam sido muito mais devastadores nos veiculos. Os destrocos mostram a estrutura dos camioes intacta. A carrocaria nao sofreu os danos que se espera de um ataque de misseis ou bombas a partir do ar, antes sim revelam sinais de incendio.






e vejam no inicio do video como os rebeldes gritam Deus e grande, como e habitual quando celebram um ataque bem sucedido dos seus

[mafets]

Independentemente de quem ataca quem (é sempre a mesma treta em qualquer guerra, nunca ninguem é culpado de nada  ), cada vez é mais evidente que não existe solução militar para isto e que os civis é que são as únicas vítimas no meio desta guerra de 300 mil mortos...   

Syrian Civil War Map
A map of the Syrian civil war that shows who controls what after five years of fighting.
Shakeeb Asrar | 17 Sep 2016 11:08 GMT | War & Conflict, Middle East, Syria's Civil War

After years of civil war, Syria is now a country that lies in ruins. Thousands of people have died, millions have fled. With no end of the war in sight, groups continue to battle for control over large parts of the country. The Syrian government, ISIL, Kurdish factions, and several other rebel groups are still fighting for some of the most important parts of the country.

Government troops, supported by Russian war planes, have gained some ground over the past few months, expelling ISIL from Palmyra and other important places. Battle still rages in places such as Aleppo, where government troops and rebel groups, supported by a large coalition, battle for control.

Meanwhile Kurdish fighters have made gains in the northern part of Syria, reducing the territory under control by ISIL. Turkish troops recently joined the fight against ISIL, expelling the group from the city of Jarablus.

ISIL has not only been losing territory in Syria, but, as this map shows, also in Iraq, where the Kurds and the Iraqi Security Forces are slowly making their way to ISIL’s last stronghold, Mosul.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2015/05/syria-country-divided-150529144229467.html

Saudações

[olisipo]

Centro médico destruído em ataque aéreo

US and Russia trade claims over Syria aid convoy attack

François Hollande at the UN on Syria: "Enough is enough".

[Pedro E.]

a jogada americana com a historieta do ataque russo aos camioes humanitarios- abafaram o seu crime de guerra do ataque aos soldados sirios em deir ezzor e agora exigem zona de exclusao aerea (a forca aerea siria anda a bater muito nos mercenarios e?)
Sao os EUA que mandam na Siria? Era so o que faltava. Este sede de poder e de controlo de Washington so causa instabilidade e guerras no mundo.

Syria war: John Kerry urges planes to be grounded
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37432797

[Pedro E.]

US 'Predator' Attack Drone Was Spotted Around at the Time of UN Convoy Attack
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160921/1045559448/us-predator-drone-syria-russia.html

18:25 21.09.2016(updated 19:56 21.09.2016)

US-led coalition's 'Predator' attack drone was spotted around Urum al-Kubra at the time of attack on the UN convoy, the Russian Defense Ministry stated on Wednesday.

"In the evening on September 19, exactly in the area [where the UN humanitarian convoy was] at an altitude of 3,600 meters was a US-led-coalition UAV flying at a speed of 200kmph," the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

'Predator' drone had taken off from Incirlik air base in Turkey and left Urum al-Kubra area half an hour after the incident with UN humanitarian convoy, Konashenkov added.

According to Konashenkov, "the aircraft was by identified by Russia's air surveillance system as a Predator-type UAV." "This aircraft appeared in the Urum al-Kubra area several minute prior to the attack on the convoy and left the area about 30 minutes later," Konashenkov stressed, questioning the purpose of the Predator's mission.

The Pentagon immediately dismissed the Russian claims by saying the coalition aircraft were not conducting missions at the time of the attack that killed at least 21 people and destroyed 18 trucks with humanitarian aid.

Russian military informed the US Air Force representative that Russian aircraft were not present near Aleppo at the time of the attack on the UN humanitarian convoy, the Russian Defense Ministry said. Russian MoD also denied presense of Russian aircraft near Urum al-Kubra at the time of the attack.

[9mm]

Isto é muito grave, muito mais grave do que um civil pode alguma vez pensar!

 :shock:

E com civis será que ia ao sitio?

[Pedro E.]

Russia to send aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov to Mediterranean
https://www.rt.com/news/360178-russia-carrier-syria-kuznetsov/

[olisipo]

US: Russia conducted 'outrageous two-hours attack'