Não estou contra, pois como muito bem disseram, temos o exemplo da esquadrilha de helicópteros da Marinha dentro da BA6, mas esta unidade da Marinha não é subordinada à base aérea como as Esquadras da FAP, existe é uma coordenação entre ambas
Exactamente o mesmo que se referiu nos exemplos, apenas a partilha de espaços e serviços comuns, ninguém falou em subordinação hierárquica a outro ramo.
Por essa lógica também podiam juntar os 20 comandos distritais/regionais da PSP e os 20 da GNR, o trabalho até é o mesmo, comandar as esquadras/postos que existem nesse distrito ou região autónoma, é tudo segurança pública, mas não é assim tão fácil pelas mesmas razões de serem entidades autónomas, também existe PJ em todos os distritos, mas estes ainda tem outra particularidade, pertencem a outro ministério.
Não, não é a mesma coisa. Isso seria fundir comandos, é bastante diferente (por acaso a organização das forças de segurança também seria um bom tema, mas isso são outros quinhentos). Estamos a falar de concentração física, não de fusão.
Por isso tudo é possível, desde que as entidades se entendam, mas por norma se uma quer usar algo da outra, então tem de suportar os custos que possam existir.
Claro, mas qual é o problema disso? Qualquer coisa deste tipo é feita com um acordo de serviços e os respectivos métodos de custeio, é uma coisa banal e em uso em toda a parte.
Outra maneira, mais radical, e menos conservadora, seria simplesmente juntar os ramos militares numa única entidade, com um único orçamento, gestão, e cadeia de comando.
Portanto ter duas unidades de ramos diferentes no mesmo espaço é um quebra-cabeças com a complexidade de um NPO mas daí já damos o salto para a fusão completa de ramos? Se dar um passinho é o cabo dos trabalhos já queremos entrar na maratona? Eu não sou favorável à fusão dos ramos, por exemplo, algumas soluções conjuntas não têm nem devem implicar o fim dos ramos, que levantaria outros problemas.
O exempo americano é bom mas tem uma particularidade, é que tem tanta gente, base aérea, brigadas ou Divisões do exército, etc, que de certeza não comem 10 mil pessoas todos juntas, nem é um unico gabinete administrativo que gere toda a gente, será um bocado como Santa Margarida ou Tancos, com vários "quartéis" só que todos colados uns aos outros.
Não comem 10 mil pessoas todas juntas, nem percebo porque isso seria relevante. Sim, são vários "quarteis" colados uns aos outros, mas que usam serviços comuns, é esse o ponto. Existem acordos de serviços que definem isso, bem como o respectivo custeio, o ramo que é "senhorio" nesses casos é responsável por garanti-los. Coisas como segurança das instalações, gestão e manutenção de alojamentos ou refeitórios por exemplo. Os 10 mil não comem todos juntos como é evidente, existem diversos refeitórios, a questão é que existem refeitórios aos quais os militares dos diferentes ramos têm acesso. Francamente é extraordinário que isto seja algo de complexo, isto é do mais corriqueiro que existe.
A titulo de curiosidade, fica uma lista dos serviços de apoio comuns que estão oficialmente definidos como podendo ser partilhados inter-ramos no seio de bases militares conjuntas nos EUA. Ler com cuidado para que o conteúdo disruptivo não provoque um aneurisma:
E6.1.4.1. Administrative Services. Includes records management, personnel
locator, document control and handling, forms and publications, and maintenance of
official publications reference libraries. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.2. Audio and Visual Information Services. Includes still
photography, graphics, micrographics, and presentation services. Also, includes film,
video and audio media services. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.3. Automated Data Processing and Automation Services. Includes
data processing services and systems analysis. Also, includes design, development,
execution, and life cycle maintenance of data processing systems. (Customarily
reimbursable)
E6.1.4.4. Chapel and Chaplain Services. Includes pastoral ministries,
worship services, religious rites, pastoral visits, spiritual counseling, and religious
education. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.5. Civilian Personnel Services. Includes recruitment, classification,
staffing, pay administration, personnel management, employee relations, awards, equal
opportunity programs, and career development. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.6. Clubs. Includes officer, non-commissioned officer, enlisted, all
hands, aero, community and other recreational clubs. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.7. Command Support. Includes oversight and management provided
by the installation commander and the command element office staff.
(non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.8. Common Use Facility Construction, Operations, Maintenance, and
Repair. Includes construction, alteration, operation, maintenance, and repair of
common use infrastructure (e.g., roads, grounds, surfaced areas, structures, real
property and installed equipment). Also includes common benefit signs, energy
consumption, snow removal, street cleaning, and installation beautification projects.
(customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.9. Communication Services. Includes dedicated communications
services and telephone equipment. May also include leasing of communication
equipment, lines, and special communications-electronics equipment services.
(Customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.10. Community Relations. Includes public relations activities,
charity fund raising events, and installation open house programs. (Customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.11. Community Services. Includes family support center activities,
child development services, dependent youth activities, theaters, and thrift shops.
(customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.12. Custodial Services. Includes janitorial and cleaning services for
customer-occupied and customer-used facilities and areas. (Customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.13. Disaster Preparedness. Includes operation of disaster
preparedness programs and related services, equipment, and facility support for
emergencies and wartime operations. (non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.14. Duplication Services. Includes the operation of centralized
copying equipment and related services. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.15. Education Services. Includes instruction, counseling, and testing.
(customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.16. Entomology Services. Includes abatement and control measures
directed against insects, rodents, weeds, fungi, and other animals or plants that are
determined to be undesirable in buildings, equipment, supplies, and on grounds.
(customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.17. Environmental Cleanup. Includes collection, clean-up,
transportation, and disposal of hazardous material. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.18. Environmental Compliance. Includes recycling and resource
recovery programs, pollution prevention, environmental compliance, and programs
aimed at management and control of hazardous materials -- does not include clean-up
and disposal of hazardous materials. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.19. Equipment Maintenance, Repair, and Calibration. Includes
maintenance, repair, and calibration of industrial equipment, construction equipment,
laboratory equipment, office equipment, and other non-tactical equipment -- does not
include vehicles. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.20. Explosive Ordnance Support. Includes services and facilities for
explosive ordnance storage, disposal and training. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.21. Facility Construction and Major Repair. Includes minor
construction, alterations, additions, and major repairs required to modernize, replace,
expand or restore real property. Also, includes related planning and design.
(customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.22. Facility Maintenance and Minor Repair. Includes routine and
cyclical preventive maintenance and minor repairs required to preserve or restore real
property so it may be used for its designated purpose. (Customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.23. Finance and Accounting (provided by Defense Finance &
Accounting Service). Includes expense, reimbursement, working fund, payroll and
leave accounting provided by Defense Finance & Accounting Service. Also includes
disbursing, voucher and invoice examination, financial reporting, and the development
of accounting systems. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.24. Fire Protection. Includes all normal services related to fire
protection and fighting operations, alert service, and rescue operations. Also, includes
inspections for fire hazards, servicing of portable extinguishers, and related training
programs. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.25. Food Service. Includes preparation and service of food to
authorized personnel, and related dining facilities operations. (customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.26. Health Services. Includes administration of healthcare programs,
inpatient and outpatient medical and dental treatment, and other related medical
support and professional services. Also, includes veterinary support. (Customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.27. Housing and Lodging Services. Includes family, unmarried, and
unaccompanied housing referral services. Also, includes operation of family housing,
bachelor officer quarters, bachelor enlisted quarters, and transient accommodations.
(customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.28. Laundry and Dry Cleaning. Includes cleaning and storage of
clothing and other items made of cloth. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.29. Legal Services. Includes the provision of advice and services on
all legal matters pertaining to legal assistance, military justice, initial claims
processing, property utilization, award and execution of procurement contracts, and
personnel matters such as conflicts of interest, standards of conduct, and grievance
hearings and reviews. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.30. Mail Service. Includes collecting, accepting, sorting, routing,
and delivery of official and personal mail on DoD installations and in DoD-owned or
DoD-leased facilities. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.31. Mail Postage Service. Includes postage and fees for official mail
and application thereof. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.32. Mail Transportation Overseas. Includes the transportation of
official, contract related, and personal mail, by the Military Postal Service, to and from
Military Post Offices overseas. Also includes additional direct postal workload
required at military postal activities overseas. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.33. Military Personnel Support. Includes passport, forces stamp,
social security, and other personal affairs services for military personnel. Also
includes processing of identification cards, security clearances, testing of individuals,
line-of-duty investigation reports, casualty assistance reporting, noncombatant
evacuation operations, relocation assistance, and transition assistance. (customarily
reimbursable)
E6.1.4.34. Mobilization Support. Includes planning, provisioning, and
support for mobilization of Active, Reserve, and Guard forces. (Customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.35. Morale, Welfare, and Recreation (MWR) Activities. Includes
operation of recreational centers, gyms, fitness centers, parks, athletic fields,
recreational and general reference libraries, hobby shops, craft centers, and related
services. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.36. Mortuary Services. Includes all logistical functions related to the
recovery, identification, care, and disposition of deceased personnel. Includes
continental United States port, and overseas mortuary services. (Customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.37. Museums. Includes operation of facilities and services that
display objects of historical military value and significance. (non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.38. Occupational and Industrial Health Services. Includes worker
and work place health screening programs, and industrial hygiene surveillance of the
occupational environment. Also, includes physical examinations and worker
compensation evaluations. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.39. Police Services. Includes maintaining law and order (e.g.,
enforcement of traffic laws, accident investigation, and criminal investigations), traffic
management, vehicle decals, and parking pass services. Also, includes operation of
confinement and detention facilities, and related services. (customarily
non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.40. Printing Services. Includes the operation of centralized printing,
collating, binding, and mass mail addressing services. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.41. Public Affairs. Includes activities aimed toward responding
directly or through news media to the general public's right and need to know how
DoD activities accomplish assigned tasks and missions. Also includes distribution of
public and community relations information. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.42. Purchasing and Contracting Services. Includes acquisition and
contract administration services for procurement of property, equipment, services,
construction, and supplies. Also includes services for renting and leasing.
(customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.43. Refuse Collection and Disposal. Includes collection and disposal
of trash and waste materials. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.44. Resource Management. Includes funds management, cost
analysis services, and budget formulation, reporting, and execution. Also includes
financial liability investigation of property losses. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.45. Retired Affairs. Includes operation of retired affairs support
offices and provision of special services, activities, and programs provided primarily
for retired personnel. (non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.46. Safety. Includes operation of safety programs, educational
support, and promotional efforts. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.47. Security Services. Includes security inspections, controlling
entry and egress, and protecting official and personal resources at DoD-owned or
DoD-operated facilities. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.48. Shuttle Services. Includes scheduled operation of local taxis,
vans, and bus transportation services -- does not include chartered transportation
services. (customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.49. Social Actions. Includes civilian and military personnel
assistance and training pertaining to substance abuse and human relations.
(Customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.50. Storage and Warehousing. Includes provision of space and
services related to the management of commodities, material, and equipment; includes
receipt, storage, issue, and shipment of items from storage. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.51. Supply Services. Includes the provision of any common,
generally expendable, non-technical commodity, material, or equipment (e.g.,
administrative office and housekeeping supplies, duplicating paper, common hardware,
plumbing and electrical supplies, building materials, paint, and tools). (Customarily
reimbursable)
E6.1.4.52. Technical and Legal Libraries. Includes technical and legal
libraries, and services that provide limited reference information for official purposes.
(customarily non-reimbursable)
E6.1.4.53. Training Service. Includes instruction and use of target ranges,
simulators, and other training facilities. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.54. Transportation Services. Includes transportation services related
to both commercial and Government-owned transportation of personnel, personal
property, and material. Also includes shipment planning, packing and crating, port
clearance, scheduling, processing of transportation documents, and related
transportation services. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.55. Utilities. Includes water, sewage, electricity, natural gas, and
fuel oil services. Also, includes central generation and distribution of steam, chilled
water, and compressed air. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.56. Vehicle Support. Includes maintenance and repair of customer
vehicles, and supply, maintenance and repair of vehicles provided for a customer's
use. Also, includes chartered transportation services. (customarily reimbursable)
E6.1.4.57. Weather Services. Includes advising and providing timely
notification of weather conditions that would affect planned activities. (Customarily
non-reimbursable)
Enfim, eu nem iria tão longe, isto para nós teria a complexidade de um porta-aviões nuclear.
Soluções assim existem fora dos EUA também, eu referi os EUA para notar que até a maior e mais rica potência militar do mundo identificou aqui um potencial de racionalização de recursos e não teve problema nenhum em agilizar as coisas, apesar da sua escala gigantesca, que faz com que a compartimentação fosse perfeitamente possível e viável. Mas enfim, para nós qualquer mudança é complicadíssima, normalmente só acontece por intervenção externa e quando estamos por um fio, por alguma razão definhamos a olhos vistos.