EUA escolhem o US-101!!!

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EUA escolhem o US-101!!!
« em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 12:39:17 pm »
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050128-2037.html

Contra todas as expectativas, a USAF escolhe um helicóptero de concepção europeia (o US-101 é na realidade um EH-101) para transportar o Presidente! :D
 

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« Responder #1 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 12:41:08 pm »
Já agora, gostava de saber o que é que o autor daquele "maravilhoso" artigo sobre o EH-101, na Visão, tem a dizer sobre isto...  :roll:
 

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« Responder #2 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 12:56:52 pm »
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Já agora, gostava de saber o que é que o autor daquele "maravilhoso" artigo sobre o EH-101, na Visão, tem a dizer sobre isto...  :roll:  :roll:

Só uma pequena nota, não foi a USAF que escolheu aeronave ( que tem de momento um concurso para a substituição dos HH-60 PaveHawk ) mas sim os Marines norte-americanos para uso presidencial.
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« Responder #3 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 01:06:12 pm »
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Só uma pequena nota, não foi a USAF que escolheu aeronave ( que tem de momento um concurso para a substituição dos HH-60 PaveHawk ) mas sim os Marines norte-americanos para uso presidencial.


Tens razão. Erro crasso... :oops:

Já agora, achas que o US-101 tem alguma hipótese de ser adquirido para substituir os Pavehawk? Algo que me parece estranho é o facto de se apresentar para este outro concurso os mesmos dois hélis do programa VXX, ou seja, o S-92 e o US-101. A menos que os requerimentos actuais mudem, uma versão actualizada do Blackhawk ou o NH-90 construído sob licença parecem um substituto mais lógico do Pavehawk do que hélis que estão claramente numa classe acima, em termos de peso, dimensões e alcance...
 

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« Responder #4 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 01:20:59 pm »
Um dos grandes problemas apontados ao PaveHawk nas missões CSAR é exactamente o de ser muito "leve". Usufrui de um alcance mais pequeno e é mais frágil do que outros helis nessa função. Estou convicto que desde a retirada dos "Jolly Green Giant" que a USAF não possui uma plataforma dedicada a esta função. Adaptou-se, mas não é a mesma coisa.

Parece-me que para busca e salvamento em combate um heli mais pesado é o ideal. Não só pelo seu alcance renovado mas pela sua capacidade estrutural em aguentar outro tipos de embates.

O EH-101 é, na minha opinião, a melhor plataforma existente. Se os norte-americanos conseguirem ultrapassar aquele visão egocêntrica que têm dos seus produtos, irão chegar à conclusão que o EH-101 é de facto superior ao S-92.
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« Responder #5 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 01:28:14 pm »
Concordo contigo Ricardo.

Portanto, deverá haver uma redefinição dos critérios que levaram anteriormente à escolha dos Pavehawk.

E se o projecto do CH-53X avançar, uma versão HH/MH deste helicóptero poderá ser comprada em vez de, ou a complementar o S-92/US-101, ou será demasiado pesado para a tarefa?
 

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« Responder #6 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 03:07:31 pm »
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E se o projecto do CH-53X avançar, uma versão HH/MH deste helicóptero poderá ser comprada em vez de, ou a complementar o S-92/US-101, ou será demasiado pesado para a tarefa?


Penso que não faria sentido operar duas aeronaves tão semelhantes na mesma missão.
Para os teatros de operações que os EUA iriam operar estou convencido que o EH-101 seria suficiente, mas nunca é demais ( pelo menos para quem tem dinheiro ) ter um complemento eficaz!  :wink:
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« Responder #7 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 04:29:55 pm »
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Um dos grandes problemas apontados ao PaveHawk nas missões CSAR é exactamente o de ser muito "leve". Usufrui de um alcance mais pequeno e é mais frágil do que outros helis nessa função. Estou convicto que desde a retirada dos "Jolly Green Giant" que a USAF não possui uma plataforma dedicada a esta função. Adaptou-se, mas não é a mesma coisa.


Além disso, o HH-60 na sua configuração actual sempre foi um "patinho feio". O aparelho que a USAF queria era muito mais avançado ( mas ainda baseado na célula do UH-60), mas devido a restrições orçamentais foi cancelado, e tiveram que escolher este HH-60. De tal modo que nos últimos anos as missões CSAR em zonas "hot" são efectuadas em MH-53 ou MH-60 das forças especiais.

Vinha tudo bem explicado numa AirForcesMonthly há uns anos atrás, quando este concurso do "heli force one"  :P abriu. Lembro-me que era referido que as hipóteses do EH ( perdão, US)-101 ganhar eram muito reduzidas...
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« Responder #8 em: Janeiro 30, 2005, 07:10:26 pm »
:wink: Ficamos bem servidos com os nossos MERLIN EH101
 

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« Responder #9 em: Janeiro 31, 2005, 11:03:11 pm »
Statement on VXX Announcement
 
 
(Source: Sikorsky Aircraft Corp; issued Jan. 28, 2005)
 
 
 STRATFORD, Conn. --- Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation received word today that its H-92 helicopter was not selected as the next Marine One helicopter. The company anticipates a full debrief on the Navy's evaluation and analysis.  
 
"Sikorsky and our All-American supplier team are disappointed with this outcome. We're honored to have flown U.S. Presidents for nearly half a century and believe we put forward an exceptionally strong proposal to continue this tradition," said Stephen N. Finger, president of Sikorsky Aircraft. "I want to extend my sincere thanks to all who worked so diligently. Everyone at Sikorsky Aircraft, as well as our partner companies across the country, should be proud of their efforts.  
 
"I am confident in the future of the S-92," Mr. Finger added. "Sikorsky is a growing company committed to providing our customers with outstanding quality and value. We are focused on doubling our business by 2008, with a portfolio of products and aftermarket services for military and commercial customers worldwide. We anticipate achieving this goal even absent the VXX."  
 
Published data shows that the S-92, the baseline version of the H-92, flies farther, flies faster and carries more than the EH-101. Independent data confirms that the S-92 is lower in cost and costs less to operate.  
 
The Federal Aviation Administration and the European Aviation Safety Agency have certified the S-92 to a higher standard of safety than virtually every helicopter flying today, including the EH-101. Furthermore, since certification in December 2002, the S-92 and H-92 have won every other competition against the EH-101, including selection by the governments of Canada, Turkey, and Turkmenistan; Gulf Helicopters in Qatar; and CHC, the world's largest offshore oil operator. (ends)  
 
 
 
 Hunter Statement on Awarding of Presidential Helicopter Contract
 
 
(Source: House Armed Services Committee; issued Jan. 29, 2005)
 
 
 WASHINGTON, D.C. --- House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) made the following statement about the Pentagon announcement today awarding the VXX Program contract to Lockheed Martin. The VXX Program will develop the replacement aircraft for the current Presidential Helicopter fleet. The System Development and Demonstration (SDD) value is estimated to be approximately $1.8 billion and will consist of engineering design and integration activities.  
 
"I am very disappointed that the Pentagon selected the Lockheed Martin/Agusta Westland candidate for the Presidential Helicopter Replacement program. The Sikorsky proposal would have been entirely designed and built in the United States, as opposed to only 64 percent of the Lockheed offering. Further, those helicopter technologies of most competitive value will be designed and produced by the European partners.  
 
"This decision is all the more unfortunate given the continued atrophy of the United States helicopter industrial base. The European helicopter manufacturers already have a commanding position in the global helicopter marketplace. A competitive and viable American helicopter technology base remains of vital importance to U.S. national security. Therefore, it is difficult to understand why we would use U.S. tax dollars to fund the further development of foreign helicopter technology." (ends)  
 
 
 
 Official Statement of Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa on Marine One Prototype Selection
 
 
(Source: International Brotherhood of Teamsters; issued Jan. 28, 2005)
 
 
 WASHINGTON --- The following is an official statement of Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa on Marine One Prototype Selection:  
 
“Along with 3,700 members of Teamsters Local 1150, I am disappointed by today's decision to award the contract for production and development of the next fleet of Marine One presidential helicopters to a foreign conglomerate.  
 
The Teamsters who work at Sikorsky's main production facility in Stratford, Connecticut are among the finest aerospace workers in the business and future passengers and crews of Marine One deserve nothing less than their superior craftsmanship and expertise.  
 
For well over a year, the Teamsters have been working with the Connecticut Congressional Delegation and our counterparts at Sikorsky to promote the Sikorsky VH-92 as the safer, faster, and more cost-effective prototype for Marine One. I would like to thank Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Lieberman, as well as Reps. Chris Shays, Rosa DeLauro, and Rob Simmons, for their strong and unrelenting leadership throughout this process. I cannot overstate the importance of the bipartisan efforts that these five members of Congress made both individually and collaboratively on behalf of Connecticut's economy and working families.  
 
Everyone involved in this process should be proud of their role in promoting the 100 percent American-made VH-92. In spite of today's decision, we did succeed in proving that workers, their union and their employer can join together in an effort to create American jobs and grow our economy. The Teamsters at Sikorsky will continue to craft the safest and most reliable helicopters in the world, including many that serve the men and women in our armed forces today.”  
 
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« Responder #10 em: Janeiro 31, 2005, 11:04:27 pm »
Lockheed Martin Wins Contract for Presidential Helicopter; Long-time Contractor Sikorsky Loses Bid  
 
 
(Source: Citizens Against Government Waste; issued Jan. 28, 2005)
 
 
 WASHINGTON --- Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today applauded the decision by the Department of Defense (DOD) to award Lockheed Martin the $1.6 billion Navy contract to deliver the next generation of presidential helicopters. The winning bid means Sikorsky, a company with a checkered history that has supplied presidential helicopters without competition since the Eisenhower presidency, will be replaced.  
 
"Today taxpayers avoided what could have been another helicopter sinkhole had Sikorsky won the contract," CAGW President Tom Schatz said. "Twenty years ago, Sikorsky's Comanche seemingly had it all: dazzling graphics, wide political support and great promise. However, the helicopter never materialized; $8 billion later, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld mercifully discontinued the project in February, 2004."  
 
Sikorsky's bid for the Marine One contract was riddled with red flags signaling the strong possibility of another Comanche-style disaster. Sikorsky proposed a Marine One fleet based on its S-92 commercial helicopter. The first S-92 helicopter promised in July 2001 was not actually available until late 2004, three years behind schedule. Furthermore, Sikorsky admitted that the modifications for the proposed presidential version were still in the "development phase."  
 
"Thankfully, DOD learned its lesson and chose not to head down the same expensive and ultimately fruitless road it took back in 1985," Schatz continued.  
 
The long-postponed debate between the two contractors was often clouded by Washington spin. Sikorsky draped its contract bid with American flags, insinuating that Lockheed presented a less "American" choice. The Lockheed team includes some foreign owned companies, but the vast majority of manufacturing will still be done by American workers with American parts. Some members of Congress with a parochial interest in supporting Sikorsky have suggested introducing legislation to overturn the decision.  
 
"Congress must stay out of this," Schatz said. "DOD showed common sense by choosing a contractor that is expected to stay on budget and on schedule. With a record $427 billion budget deficit predicted for fiscal 2005, taxpayers deserve to have costs stay on the ground."  
 
Citizens Against Government Waste is the nation's largest nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government. (ends)  
 
 
 
 New Marine One Contract to Boost 'Insourced' Jobs
 
 
Source: Organization for International Investment; issued Jan. 28, 2005)
 
 
 WASHINGTON --- Today, the Pentagon announced that Team US101 has won the U.S. Navy's $1.6 billion contract to build a new fleet of presidential helicopters.  
 
"We are extremely pleased that, in this case, quality and price overcame politics based on false patriotism," said Todd M. Malan, Executive Director of the Organization for International Investment.  
 
Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor and systems integrator. The US101 is based on the design of AgustaWestland's proven EH101 helicopter. The US101 will be built in Amarillo, Texas, by Bell Helicopter. The Team has more than 200 American subcontractors in 41 states. Systems integration will take place at a $30 million, 176,000-square-foot plant to be built on Lockheed Martin's Owego campus. In the end, 90 percent of the contract's value will flow to companies in the United States.  
 
U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies insource 5.4 million American jobs, supporting an annual payroll of over $307 billion. "These new 'insourced' jobs represent one way that the United States benefits from the global economy, a world-class helicopter for the President is another," Malan stated.  
 
"Americans don't care where a company is headquartered; they care where the jobs are, and the US101 is going to be made in the United States," concluded Malan.  
 
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« Responder #11 em: Janeiro 31, 2005, 11:05:29 pm »
US101 Selected by U.S. Navy for Presidential Helicopter Replacement Program
 
 
(Source: Lockheed Martin; issued Jan. 28, 2005)
 
 
 OWEGO, N.Y. --- The U.S. Navy today selected the US101 for a new fleet of "Marine One" helicopters for the President of the United States. Lockheed Martin, which leads Team US101 as prime contractor, will receive a $ 1.7 billion contract from the Navy for the Marine One program's systems development and demonstration phase. The team will build and equip the US101 medium-lift helicopter to provide a safe and secure "Oval Office in the Sky" for the President.  
 
"We are honored that trust has been placed in Lockheed Martin and Team US101 for this vital and highly visible mission," said Robert J. Stevens, president and chief executive officer of Lockheed Martin Corporation [NYSE: LMT]. "All members of Team US101, as well as the executive leadership of the team's parent corporations, are committed to meeting the demanding requirements of the U.S. government as we provide the world's best helicopter system to serve our nation's President."  
 
Team US101 will immediately begin work on the program, building on the staff and facilities already in place to support Navy-funded risk reduction activities under way since March 2004. Near-term activities involve the establishment of a secure presidential helicopter facility, including a new integration center and hangars, at an existing Lockheed Martin site in Owego, NY, and construction of helicopter assembly facilities at Amarillo, TX. Staff recruiting also is under way.  
 
"We are proud to contribute our proven helicopter, backed by significant operational experience, to serve as the basis for the American President's new Marine One fleet," said Pier Francesco Guarguaglini, chairman and chief executive officer of Finmeccanica, AgustaWestland's parent corporation. "We are confident that the US101 will provide the best capability for the President, and we are delighted that the U.S. government has chosen to entrust Team US101 with this important responsibility."  
 
More than 200 suppliers in 41 states support Team US101, led by Lockheed Martin with teammates Agusta Westland and Bell Helicopter Textron. Suppliers include some of America's leading aerospace companies, such as General Electric, ITT, Northrop Grumman, Kaman Aerospace and Palomar Products.  
 
Based on the current contract schedule, the first US101 ready to transport the President is expected to be available in 2009, with the entire fleet of 23 US101 delivered to the Marine One squadron by late 2014.  
 
Team US101 is led by Lockheed Martin Systems Integration-Owego, which serves as the prime contractor and systems integrator for the American-built US101 aircraft, an American variant of AgustaWestland’s successful EH101 multimission helicopter. The US101 team collectively brings unmatched rotorcraft expertise and experience to this program: Lockheed Martin (prime contractor and systems integration), AgustaWestland (aircraft design) and Bell Helicopter (aircraft production), while General Electric will supply each helicopter with three, 2,500 shaft-horsepower CT7-8E engines.  
 
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« Responder #12 em: Fevereiro 01, 2005, 05:20:33 pm »
qual artigo na visão sobre o eh 101?
 

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« Responder #13 em: Fevereiro 01, 2005, 08:44:40 pm »
O EH/US-101 pode ser um heli europeu, mas lembrem-se que mais especificamente é, pelo menos nas suas origens, anglo-italiano.  E os governos inglês e italiano têm sido grandes simpatizantes dos EUA nas campanhas do Iraque e Afeganistão.  Por outro lado, se fosse um heli francês ou alemão… :wink: