[typhonman]

Devemos ter tido algumas perdas...

[Cabeça de Martelo]

Contra EF, o que esperavas?!

[typhonman]

Nada demais.

[Roque]

Contra EF, o que esperavas?!

Si, pero ten en conta que os F-16 actúan xunto cun medio centenar de avións espanhois (Harriers, F-18, Mirage...) frente tan só 20 Typhoon. A desproporción é moi grande a favor dos supostos "atacantes".

Saúdos

[NVF]

Four Eurofighter Typhoon Air Forces United in Exercise
 
 
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued March 13, 2008)
 
   
 
 HALLBERGMOOS, Germany --- For the first time, all four Eurofighter Typhoon core Air Forces from Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom combined their skills for a mutual exercise at Morón Air Force Base, near Sevilla, upon invitation of the Spanish Air Force. Codenamed “Typhoon Meet”, the deployment commenced on Monday 10 March and officially ends on Friday 14 March.  
 
In total, 20 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft take part in the exercise: the German Air Force deployed three aircraft from Fighter Wing 73 “Steinhoff” from Rostock-Laage; Italy’s Gruppo XII 36 Stormo, based at Gioia del Colle, and Gruppo IX 4 Stormo, at Grosseto, both sent two aircraft; a total of four weapon systems came out of the Royal Air Force’s No.3 and 11 Squadrons from RAF Coningsby; with the remaining nine already stationed at Morón as part of the Spanish Air Force’s Gruppo 11 Ala 11.  
 
The objective is to demonstrate the interoperability of Eurofighter Typhoon and its air-to-air capabilities while training with, and in mock combat against, other fighter aircraft types. While tactical aspects in realistic scenarios are to be evaluated, of equal importance is the inter-squadron comparisons with regards to maintenance and logistical support.  
 
Eurofighter Typhoon flies in formations of up to twelve aircraft against fighters brought in from across the Spanish Air Force, including a combined ten F-18s from Ala 12, Torrejon, and Ala 15, Zaragoza,(supplying six and four respectively), as well as four Mirage F-1 jets of Ala 14, Albacete.  
 
In addition, the Spanish hosts had invited the Portuguese Air Force to take part in the exercise, who brought with them four F-16 assets of 310 Escuadron, Monte Real. The Spanish Navy also played their part with four Harrier AV-8Plusof 9 Escuadrilla, Rota. The Eurofighter sortie rate for the "Typhoon Meet" was three per day, with a total of up to 70 different aircraft flying in the training areas over Toledo, Albacete and Huelva (Atlantic Coast) daily, which delivered an impressive operational scenario for the military experts.  
 
Eurofighter Typhoon is in service since 2004. More than 140 aircraft have been delivered to five air forces of Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom and Austria. The partner Air Forces have accumulated 33,000 flying hours to date. More than half of these during 2007, demonstrating the maturity of the system.  
 
Italy started early Quick Reaction Alert duties already end 2005, the Royal Air Force followed mid 2007 with full QRA duties assigned to NATO. Germany's Fighter Wing 74 in Neuburg/Donau started QRA flights together with F-4 Phantom II early January 2008. Spain took up air surveillance tasks in 2006 and is to follow with QRA duties this year. And Austria will start air surveillance tasks with Eurofighter Typhoon this summer.  
 
Eurofighter Typhoon is the world's most advanced new generation swing-role combat aircraft available on the market and has been ordered by six nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom, Austria and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). With 707 aircraft under contract, it is Europe’s largest military collaborative programme and delivers leading-edge technology, strengthening Europe’s aerospace industry in the global competition. More than 100,000 jobs in 400 companies are secured by the programme.  
 
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH manages the programme on behalf of its shareholders Alenia Finmeccanica, BAE Systems, EADS CASA and EADS Deutschland, Europe’s foremost aerospace companies with a total turnover of EUR 60.7 billion (2006).  
 
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... ele=jdc_34

Nao vejo aonde esta' a desproporcao.  A menos que a realidade seja outra...

[Roque]

Pareceme que a realidade é outra:

Habida cuenta de que se trata de un avión con capacidades un paso por delante de las aeronaves actualmente en servicio, se ha puesto en marcha un ejercicio en el que las naciones que tienen este avión debían defender una zona de un ataque externo. El «enemigo» lo formaban diversas unidades del Ejército del Aire español y de la Armada con F-18 de Torrejón y Zaragoza; Mirage F-1 de Albacete, Harrier de Rota y cuatro F-16 portugueses que operaban desde su base en Monte Real. Esta fuerza «enemiga» totalizaba medio centenar de aviones, mientras que la fuerza que los tenía que repeler no superaba el número de veinte aviones. Con este enfrentamiento de fuerzas aparentemente desniveladas se intentaba evaluar las capacidades reales del Eurofighter, que debía exprimir su superioridad técnica para nivelar la balanza. Para ello se ha hecho uso de sus avanzadas características y equipos electrónicos, capacidad de armamento, maniobrabilidad, etcétera.

http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/espana/200 ... 656354.htm

[NVF]

Pois, a realidade parece ser totalmente diferente. A Defence Aerospace e a Eurofighter nao sabem nada de nada.  A Voz da Galiza e' que e'.

http://www.eurofighter.com/news/20080313eng.asp

Santa paciencia.

[old]

Pois, a realidade parece ser totalmente diferente. A Defence Aerospace e a Eurofighter nao sabem nada de nada.  A Voz da Galiza e' que e'.

http://www.eurofighter.com/news/20080313eng.asp

Santa paciencia.

En un ejercicio existen reglas de enfrentamiento.

Si participan 50 aviones no quiere decir que sean 25 Vs 25 todos a la vez

Por ejemplo un ejercicio puede consistir en simular un ataque a baja cota de  4 Harriers y 4 F16s a defender por un Scramble de 2 Thypoons.

O un raid de F18s monitorizados desde algun Buque o Radar terrestre internandose en una CAP de Thypoons

etc etc etc etc

Lastima no haya mas datos ni fotos ni nada de nada de nada

[manuel liste]

Pois, a realidade parece ser totalmente diferente. A Defence Aerospace e a Eurofighter nao sabem nada de nada.  A Voz da Galiza e' que e'.

http://www.eurofighter.com/news/20080313eng.asp

Santa paciencia.

Si hay que elegir entre creer a una fuente especializada o a un diario de información general, no hay duda posible.

Un periodista no especializado es capaz de confundir a una avioneta de fumigación con un F-18  

[NVF]

Ora bem, Manuel.  E todos nos assistimos a semelhante fenomeno, quer estejamos em Portugal, em Espanha, ou nos EUA.

Old -- tenho perfeita nocao do que dizes.  Alias o press release menciona isso mesmo quando diz:

Eurofighter Typhoon flies in formations of up to twelve aircraft

O Roque e' que resolveu entrar por caminhos digamos menos rigorosos, mais nada.

[Lancero]

First public display of Eurofighter Typhoon complete with warload filmed at Farnborough International Airshow 2006 by LifeTV Media One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxB7lB5-gnU

6 Paveway II bombs
4 Amraam
2 Asraam/Sidewinder
1 1,000L centerline tank