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Vale a pena ler.......
Royal New Zealand Air Force considers C-17
Back in 1987 when Fiji had its first military coup the then government wanted to deploy troops to Fiji, however as it panned out, the need was not needed anymore. However it was advised that New Zealand could not deploy and self-sustain the deployment, we could deploy the NZSAS and secure what region however we had no backup for the troops on the ground and could not deploy our main force and keep the supply routes to them open.
The Royal New Zealand Navy did not have anything that we could use to deploy a small task force. The Royal New New Zealand Air Force could not effectively do this alone, and would have struggled with keeping the C-130's in the air and at the time of need the Air Force only had one C-130 flying, the other four were in maintenance one in a schedule deep maintenance and the others in minor maintenance waiting on parts and the like. The Andovers simply didn't have the range.
This failure lead to trials and errors of the NZG and the MoD to come up with ways to, self deploy a small task force and maintain this deployment. That lead to the disaster of HMNZS Charles Upham debacle which in turn has lead to the “Project Protector” and HMNZS Canterbury who has had a rough start but is starting to show her worth, whilst I believe we now need a to get a proper LPD/LHD. This will be explained why later.
So with HMNZS Canterbury we now have a limited strategic sea lift and Canterbury can take any of the equipment our armed forces operate and any of the new equipment planned as well as future, but she is limited.
While Canterbury can deploy by sea that is slow. This has it advantages for some things but not for a rapid response force or humanitarian aid and disaster relief. That is where air lift is required and I mean strategic air lift. To project and deploy any equipment the NZDF owns and operates any where in the world with out the help of our allies.
Over the last 30 years the NZDF over all has had its ups and downs from low moral and bad NZG/MoD decisions and the cruncher of major cut backs. Equipment is getting old and unreliable. We are getting less and less and smaller and smaller for a defence force. From 4 frigates to 2, Losing our combat wing, to not replacing the Tactical air lift of the time, to bad choices and money driven decisions. But on the positive side, some great new kit for the NZDFin general.
The RNZAF got the NH-90 medium utility helicopter and A109 light utility helicopter. The P3 were upgraded, and the C-130 got a life extension, The acquisition of 2 modified B757.
The Army replaced the old M113 with the NZLAV, they also have the LOV's and the new MHOV Trucks including REBS and the javelin missile. The H&K 40mm Grenade Machine Gun plus some new individual weapon. The MoD is also looking at replacing the aging Steyr Rifle.
The RNZN eventually got Project Protector, the ANZAC frigates are being upgraded with new sensors and Sea Ceptor, and they bought the failed Australian Sea Sprites and AGM-119 Penguin Missile. This is the first time that the RNZN has had dedicated Anti Ship Missile. Even though they are only fired from the Sea Sprite. It is a great leap forward.
Boeing C-17
There are Pro's and Cons to acquiring The Boeing C-17. But before we go in to this lets look at why the government is even considering these aircraft. The Royal New Zealand Air Force, has over the years had its ups and downs from loosing the A4's Combat Wing to fully getting replacements for the old Sioux helicopter and the UH-1 Iroquois with the A-109 and the NH-90. The P3's got upgraded, and the acquisition of 2 B757's that were upgraded with cargo doors and new power plants etc. To loosing the Andovers to struggling with deploying the NZA.
The C-130's have finally had yet another life extension making some of the oldest operational C-130's in the world... to take through to around 2020-25... and by then they will sixty years old yes 60. So I mean come on, they need replacing this is not acceptable. Let the old girls go for petes sake.
The NZG and Mod did not properly replace the “Hawker Siddeley HS 780 Andovers” which were light tactical air lift and were at the time perfect for this. For tactical air lift around New Zealand, however their short range meant that was their main role. But the Royal New Zealand Air Force operated ten aircraft from 1976, acquired from the RAF while still relatively new. These aircraft saw service with UN missions to Somalia and on the Iran-Iraq border, and in disaster-relief work in the Pacific. The Andovers were retired from service in 1998. The main difficulty with their service in New Zealand was their limited range – 1,000 nautical miles (1,900 km) of Pacific Ocean separate New Zealand from its nearest neighbours. New Zealand's Andovers were purchased to replace the Bristol Freighter which had even shorter range.
Adding to this as our equipment has changed and has been upgraded, even the C-130's can not carry all of the our own equipment. The Army has a mobile hospital that can not be deployed because we have nothing that can carry it. This hospital would be perfect for humanitarian aid if it could be deployed.
The NZLAV III's can not fit in any of the models of the C-130's (including the J's and J-30) unless it is fully stripped and the then it would struggle to get to Aussie due to the weight and range. This is not acceptable and then the LAV's need to come off its transport and be able to instantly be used in the field as called on, not wait to re-assemble them.
The NH-90 can not be deployed by air unless it tries to self deploy which is risky operation in the south pacific for a helo and has not been prooven it can be sucessfully done, at present they are only deployed by HMNZS Canterbury. These aircraft would be great in humanitarian aid and disaster-relief.
Now I hear many saying we don't deploy our LAV's or NH-90's etc... not true in 2008-09 5 LAV's were sent to assist our troops in Afghanistan, and whether right or wrong, we are now sending troops to Iraq and there could be the possibility for the need of the LAV. At present we have to rely on our allies to deploy these and return them or use commercial means which is even more expensive than doing it on our own. Again not acceptable, we need to be able to self deploy.
If there is another disaster in the pacific it would great if we can deploy the NH-90 to assist in the relief efforts and at present they would have to wait on Canterbury, or try the risky self deploy tactic which has not been proven yet. It is risky for a helo to travel the vast distance across the open ocean weather patterns can change on a dime and unlike an aircraft they can not fly above the storm. Recently with cyclone "Pam" 3 or 4 flight loads of C-130 from the RNZAF could have been done in one flight. and we could have deployed the NH-90 or hospital.
The USAF uses the C-17 to fly to the antarctic, it gives them more loiter time than the C-130 to decide to land on the ice or return to the mainland... (if running low on fuel) as experienced recent times landing on fumes is fun.
Finally having strategic air lift means we can fully help our allies if needed, it means if for what ever reason our ANZAC brothers across the ditch the Aussies need help we can, we would be able carry what they can, I also means rapid deployment to Aussie with fire fighting equipment and trucks to help in their bush fires they have, or if the the needed extra help in defending Australia as part of our defence plan.
The C-17 can carry 4 time the load of a Hercules, twice as fast and twice as far... and for disaster aid in the pacific speed and lift capability is needed... we could deploy the NH-90 as well as aid to a disaster stricken area in a couple of flights... at present we would have to wait for HMNZS Canterbury to come home, load up, and re-sail... could take a week... and in "disaster aid" speed is everything... Ah Christchurch.
To those that say we haven't deployed our assets before, well, we have never had the capability to deploy them by air before. New Zealand no longer has no strategic air lift capability only a limited tactical air lift.
There have been times Bougainvillea, East Timor, Afghanistan, and now Iraq... where we needed strategic air lift. No we bludged off our allies. Well no more... the comments from the politicians that we can just use the clubs gear. No No No...
Now I am not saying the C-17 is the only aircraft there is, the Airbus A-400m, which is cheaper off the shelf, and to run, however it is an unproven aircraft, it is stilling ironing out all the bugs and there will be unknown costs due to that. It is not operational or been cleared operational in any air force yet... bugs... they are just starting deliveries to the various countries that built it It also has limitations as well and we will explore those below.
Our current C-130 fleet is coming up to 50 years old they need replacing. They are some of the oldest flying C-130 Hercules in operation. What does it tell you when other countries that fly the C-17 are ordering more, it tells you the benefit of having that capability out ways the cost.
There is what is known as a "thin air fund" basically its a fund for “crap wish we had the money to buy that because it is a deal and we really need it type of fund.” Not many people realise this.
Airbus - A-400m
The A-400m is an interesting design however there are a few things we need to worked through. The A-400 is still in early years and has never truly been tested by the riggers of full military operations. The range of the A-400 whilst greater than the C-130 is not as great as the C-17, it is also again faster than the C-130 but a lot slower than the C-17. And finally the pay load is not as good as the C-17 but yes better than the C-130, and this is the big one for me to push for the C-17 as our strategic air lifter and later when we replace the C-130s fully, the A400 will be more a mature aircraft and been tested.
Scott Base is located on Ross Island in the Ross Sea region of Antarctica. Ross Island is 3932 km from Christchurch New Zealand the range of the A-400m is 3,298 km. The range of the C-130 is 3,800km but with the upgrades the RNZAF C-130s have extra tanks and range to approx 4100km, depending on cargo etc.
The New Zealand Defence Force are now (rightly or wrongly) more operationally active in the world, I stress New Zealand no longer has any strategic air lift since we replaced the M113, and the UH-1 the C-130 Hercules can now only give us tactical air lift and we need to be self sufficient and be able self deploy any of our equipment and anywhere and at present we can not do this by air. The C-17 would give this ability. It is ready now off the shelf and not under development.
My recommendation is a total of 6 or 7 air frames, 3 C-17's for full strategic and limited tactical lift and 3 or 4 A-400m's for full tactical and limited strategic lift.
Apparently A400M partner nations were not pleased with what Airbus is doing to resolve outstanding issues. Maybe with Boeing's C-17 production end, Airbus doesn't feel the heat as much. I am sure NZ is weighing this event in their decision process on a new transport.
Airbus Risks A400M Penalty Claims By Partner Nations
This goes back to my bugs and not truly tested New Zealand can not afford to go down this path till this aircraft is in full service
The difference between strategic and tactical air lift. There are a variety of factors to take into consideration. These include size of payload compared to available equipment that needs to be air lifted, the range the aircraft can fly with this full pay load, the landing and take off distance required, paved or just a unprepared air strip.
To have any form of strategic air lift you must be able to carry or effectively self deploy your own armed forces and equipment. In our case deploying the NH-90 or LAV for example to Iraq. Strategic aircraft don't necessarily have to be able to land on short run ways or un-prepared runways etc.
When we had the M113, and the Scorpion tanks the UH-1 they could fit into the C130 and be deployed.. giving strategic lift, but since they have replaced with the LAV, NH-90 this effectively removed our strategic air lift capability. Adding to this we can not deploy the mobile hospital, and would struggle with some of the newer heavy truck replacements.
Tactical air lift on the other have usually design around internal flights of the given theater whether deployed or internal flights of home region. For our case this would include the wider pacific region. The air craft doesn't have to be able to take every single piece of military equipment the army has but be able handle a decent chunk of it. They are usually smaller and can land and take off from shorter runways, have the ability be an agile aircraft.
There is a fine line, because it depends what equipment that you have to carry, and where is it going, is it going to be shot at, is it required to land on and take off from a very shot runway.
• C-17 - A strategic air lift aircraft that has limited tactical use built by Boeing. This is an off the shelf aircraft that would fully meet our strategic requirements for the forseable future.
• A-400m – Limited strategic and full tactical air lift aircraft built by AirBus. This aircraft is still being developed and has had problems from the get go. However once matured it would meet our tatical requirements and help with limited strategic flights.
NH-90 Cyclon Pam. Why didn't the NH-90 be deployed for cyclon Pam on bard HMNZS Canterbury?
The main reason I hear (from my sorces) is that the RNZAF NH-90's are not fully in service as of yet, which means they are not 100% operational... they have a Crawl, Walk, Run policy which means thay have not been fully cleared to fly other than in New Zealand, have not been fully cleared for deployment, and or operate off HMNZS Canterbury. This is the joys of having an untested aircraft. Do we want that with the A-400m if we get them to soon.
So the media BS about the corrision and such is whilst is party true it is utter BS that that is the main reason and concern.
Royal New Zealand Air Force
Current fleet
• x5 C-130 Hercules Tactical Air Lift.
• x5 P3k Orion
• x2 Boeing B757 (modified) Troop/Cargo/VIP
• x9 NH-90 – Medium Utility, S&R.
• x8 A109 – Light Utility.
• x14 UH-1 Iroquois (retiring)
• x8 SH-2(I) Super SeaSprite – Naval.
• x5 SH-2(F) Super SeaSprite – Training.
• x4 Beech King Air B200 - Training light lift. VIP.
• x11 T6 Texan II – Trainers.
Required fleet
• x3 C-17 Globemaster III Strategic Air Lift
• x4 or 5 A400M Tactical Air Lift. (but let the aircraft mature)
• x5 P-8 Tritons
• x9 NH-90 – Medium Utility, S&R,
• x7 MRH NH-90 Troop LHD
• x8 A109 – Light Utility.
• x5 A109 – Marinised for LHD.
• x14 UH-1 Iroquois (Keep 8 flyable in reserve)
• x8 SH-2(I) Super SeaSprite – Naval.
• x5 SH-2(F) Super SeaSprite – Training.
• x4 Beech King Air B200 - Training light lift. VIP.
• x11 T6 Texan II – Trainers.
Seriously look at surveillance Drones RNZAF Combat
• x24 – Combat wing (undecided)
• x10 – Combat training wing (undecided)
• x10 - Attack Helo (undecided) LHD
Don't get me started on the loss of our combat wing...
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Não é propriamente da sua Força Aérea mas é relacionada com o pais.
The Singaporean government has reportedly earmarked the Royal New Zealand Air Force Base at Ohakea, on New Zealand’s North Island, as a potential overseas base for one of its F-15 squadrons.
https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story)
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Não é propriamente da sua Força Aérea mas é relacionada com o pais.
The Singaporean government has reportedly earmarked the Royal New Zealand Air Force Base at Ohakea, on New Zealand’s North Island, as a potential overseas base for one of its F-15 squadrons.
https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story)
(https://ukdjstatic-b4d.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1280px-RSAF_at_Mountain_Home_AFB-1021x580.webp)
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O alcance desta noticia é um pouco mais vasto..........se me permites, será o isco para qua RNZAF volte a ter interceptores a curto prazo e se calhar...............os F15 ou parecidos estarão num futuro muito próximo a fazer parte do inventário Da RNZAF, exactamente como cá com a frota de Helis, COMPARATIVAMENTE, vamos ter um numero total de helis bem inferior ao das FFAA da Nova Zelândia, basta fazer as contas !
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Não é propriamente da sua Força Aérea mas é relacionada com o pais.
The Singaporean government has reportedly earmarked the Royal New Zealand Air Force Base at Ohakea, on New Zealand’s North Island, as a potential overseas base for one of its F-15 squadrons.
https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal/?fref=nf&pnref=story)
(https://ukdjstatic-b4d.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1280px-RSAF_at_Mountain_Home_AFB-1021x580.webp)
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O alcance desta noticia é um pouco mais vasto..........se me permites, será o isco para qua RNZAF volte a ter interceptores a curto prazo e se calhar...............os F15 ou parecidos estarão num futuro muito próximo a fazer parte do inventário Da RNZAF, exactamente como cá com a frota de Helis, COMPARATIVAMENTE, vamos ter um numero total de helis bem inferior ao das FFAA da Nova Zelândia, basta fazer as contas !
Provavelmente terá mais a ver com o facto de Singapura não ter espaço "aéreo" para que os seus pilotos possam fazer o número de horas necessário para se manterem operacionais. Com o que o governo gasta na compra de material militar da ultima geração da Boeing, Lockheed etc, não tem necessidade de andar a fazer fretes a ninguém.
O que a Nova Zelândia pretende fazer em termos de gastos de defesa está explanado aqui: http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/public-docs/2016/defence-capability-plan-2016.pdf (http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/public-docs/2016/defence-capability-plan-2016.pdf) e talvez...sejam o primeiro caso de sucesso na exportação de equipamento militar japonês http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-in-talks-with-New-Zealand-for-defense-aircraft (http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-in-talks-with-New-Zealand-for-defense-aircraft)
E já agora quantos borregos é que acham que o ministro da defesa da Nova Zelândia comeu para ter aquela figura????
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11807172 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11807172)
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Não deixa de ser curioso que com isto a Nova Zelândia ganha caças de alto desempenho para patrulhar o seu espaço aéreo. E com custos reduzidos... ;D
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Não deixa de ser curioso que com isto a Nova Zelândia ganha caças de alto desempenho para patrulhar o seu espaço aéreo. E com custos reduzidos... ;D
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Uma visita guiada ao Aeroporto com direito a ver os "nossos " falcões, Aves anti pombos e afins, contra um almoço a minha escolha em como num futuro próximo, a RNZAF, volta a ter interceptores no seu inventário !!!!!
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Não deixa de ser curioso que com isto a Nova Zelândia ganha caças de alto desempenho para patrulhar o seu espaço aéreo. E com custos reduzidos... ;D
Cumprimentos
Uma visita guiada ao Aeroporto com direito a ver os "nossos " falcões, Aves anti pombos e afins, contra um almoço a minha escolha em como num futuro próximo, a RNZAF, volta a ter interceptores no seu inventário !!!!!
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A capital mais próxima de Wellington é Camberra que fica a mais de 2000km. A única maneira de alguém manter superioridade aérea sobre a Nova Zelândia seria com um Porta-Aviões. O GDP é +/- dois terços do português e o orçamento da defesa é metade do nosso. É certo que eles o utilizam mais eficientemente mas a não ser que os chineses se tornem uma irritação maior não existem razões práticas para mudarem de estratégia.
Só se estivermos a falar de motivos de "prestigio" leia-se algum ramo das forças armadas com sonhos dos velhos tempos a fazer força para voltar a ter caças e justificar uma maior fatia do orçamento, mas isso são razões psicológicas ou burocráticas que são impossíveis de prever. Eu se vivesse por lá até gostaria de ter meia dúzia de KAI T-50 e uma dezena de pilotos não fosse o diabo tecê-las mas isso deve-se ao facto de ter nascido numa zona com má vizinhança.
Cumprimentos,
nota(modificado às 16.44): Um coisa que me faz confusão é porque sentiram necessidade de adquirir 11 T-6C Texan II, 2 simuladores e 12 desktop trainers para treinarem pilotos para 11 aviões e 17 helicópteros http://airforce.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/aircraft/t6c-texanii-factsheet.pdf (http://airforce.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/aircraft/t6c-texanii-factsheet.pdf)
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Não deixa de ser curioso que com isto a Nova Zelândia ganha caças de alto desempenho para patrulhar o seu espaço aéreo. E com custos reduzidos... ;D
Cumprimentos
Uma visita guiada ao Aeroporto com direito a ver os "nossos " falcões, Aves anti pombos e afins, contra um almoço a minha escolha em como num futuro próximo, a RNZAF, volta a ter interceptores no seu inventário !!!!!
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Eu acho que o HSMW acabou de apostar contigo... :headb: :anjo: :jok:
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Não não!!! O perdadetempo é que diz que só com um porta-aviões!!!
Eu só queria ver o sistema anti-pombos... :festa:
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Não não!!! O perdadetempo é que diz que só com um porta-aviões!!!
Eu só queria ver o sistema anti-pombos... :festa:
Cortes... 8)
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Não não!!! O perdadetempo é que diz que só com um porta-aviões!!!
Eu só queria ver o sistema anti-pombos... :festa:
Cortes... 8)
Há uns anos um dos peregrinos no activo desapareceu de Lisboa e uns meses mais tarde o Falcoeiro encontro-o e sabem onde ?????
No Aeroporto de Faro, o bicho fez um voo do caruncho atrás dos(as) pombos(as) !!!!! ;) ;)
è um espectáculo vermos os falcões a caçar coelhos na plataforma central.
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Não deixa de ser curioso que com isto a Nova Zelândia ganha caças de alto desempenho para patrulhar o seu espaço aéreo. E com custos reduzidos... ;D
Cumprimentos
Uma visita guiada ao Aeroporto com direito a ver os "nossos " falcões, Aves anti pombos e afins, contra um almoço a minha escolha em como num futuro próximo, a RNZAF, volta a ter interceptores no seu inventário !!!!!
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Eu acho que o HSMW acabou de apostar contigo... :headb: :anjo: :jok:
ele está com medo do preço do almoço............... :G-Ok: :G-Ok: :G-Ok: :G-Ok: :G-Ok:
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New Zealand picks P-8A Poseidon as its new maritime patrol aircraft
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US Navy photo of a P-8A Poseidon aircraft
New Zealand is buying four Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft from the United States to replace its ageing Orions, the government announced July 9.
The four aircraft will replace the six P-3K2 Orion maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) that have been operated by the Royal New Zealand Air Force since the 1960s. The current Orion fleet will reach the end of their expected operational life in 2025.
The new P-8As, training systems, infrastructure and introduction into service costs will total NZD2.346 billion, according to the government. They will be delivered and begin operations from 2023.
“The purchase ensures the defense force can continue to deliver the country’s maritime surveillance, resource protection, humanitarian and disaster response around New Zealand and across the South Pacific,” said New Zealand defense minister Ron Mark.
The defense minister said the purchase would allow New Zealand to work more efficiently with current, and future, P-8A operators. New Zealand closest neighbor Australia has so far received six of the 12 planned P-8As and the UK and Norway are already looking at ways to enhance their MPA cooperation in the North Atlantic.
“The purchase enables New Zealand to continue to deploy in a wide range of airborne maritime situations independently, and when required, work effectively with partners including Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States, which all operate, or will operate, the aircraft,” says Ron Mark.
Announcing the decision, the government said the P-8A was the most cost-effective maritime patrol aircraft option available.
No. 5 Squadron, which currently operates the Orions, will shift from Whenuapai to Ohakea air force base to operate the P-8As.
New Zealand will also consider options for a complementary maritime surveillance capability during the forthcoming Defence Capability Plan review, due to be completed by the end of 2018.
“The complementary capability will consider smaller manned aircraft, remotely piloted aircraft systems (RPAS) or satellites, for additional maritime surveillance tasks within New Zealand’s Exclusive Economic Zone and near region. This will free up the new P-8A fleet to fly more missions, in the South Pacific and further afield,” said Ron Mark.
New Zealand will use the P-8As for maritime surveillance, humanitarian aid and disaster response, and resource protection around NZ and in the South Pacific. Global peace and security operations will also be one of the tasks in addition to search and rescue in New Zealand’s region
https://navaltoday.com/2018/07/09/new-zealand-picks-p-8a-poseidon-as-its-new-maritime-patrol-aircraft/
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Wellington taps C-130J as preferred type for airlift upgrade
11 June, 2019 SOURCE: FlightGlobal.com BY: Greg Waldron Singapore
Wellington selected the Lockheed Martin C-130J tactical transport as the preferred candidate to replace its five C-130H aircraft.
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It will seek pricing information on the aircraft via the US government’s Foreign Military Sales mechanism, says a defence ministry statement. Replacing the C-130Hs with a new type is “the highest priority project” for the government’s Defence Capability Plan in 2019.
“The current Hercules have served us well since the 1960s, but they have reached the end of the road, and suitable and proven replacement aircraft will need to be sourced,” says defence minister Ron Mark.
“The current fleet is increasing in cost to maintain, and is taking longer to put through maintenance. After considering the range of military air transport aircraft carefully, the Super Hercules has been selected as it offers the necessary range and payload capability as well as fully meeting NZDF’s requirements.”
The statement notes that over 400 CH-130Js have been delivered, and the type is used by key New Zealand allies such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada.
Cirium’s Fleets Analyzer indicates that the average age of the Royal New Zealand Air Force’s C-130H fleet is 52.8 years, with an age range of 50.5 to 54.6 years.
The other types pitched for the requirement were the Airbus Defence & Space A400M and Embraer KC-390.
The statement stresses that a final decision has not been made, and the number of aircraft to be acquired has yet to be determined. The Defence Capability plan, however, estimates a total cost of over NZ$1 billion.
“Tactical air transport capability is one of the highest value assets available to New Zealand, offering huge utility to the community and nation, enabling movement of personnel and cargo around the country, the South Pacific, down to Antarctica and all around the globe,” says Mark.
“We need a proven performer, and this aircraft is tried and tested. We cannot take risks with what is one of our most critical military capabilities.”
http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=157
PS vamos acabar por ser os únicos a ficar com os 390 além do Brasil.
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Não sejas mauzinho, o 390 ainda vai ser a escolha de muitos países em desenvolvimento/terceiro mundo.
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Não sejas mauzinho, o 390 ainda vai ser a escolha de muitos países em desenvolvimento/terceiro mundo.
Achas mesmo NVF, ou....... ???? :mrgreen:
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Bem, com os preços que a EMB está a praticar, se calhar nem isso. ;D
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Bem, com os preços que a EMB está a praticar, se calhar nem isso. ;D
Já aconselhei os irmãos a lerem sobre o AMX, que também ia ser exportado para meio mundo. Afinal ficou-se por Brasil e Itália, apesar de ser um excelente avião de ataque leve e com uma opção interessante de treino (nem mesmo quando parte do AMX da FAB não vai ser modernizado conseguem vender). Agora se não lêm e continuam com a mesma lenga-lenga, mas desta vez aplicada ao KC, a culpa não é minha... ::) 8) ;) :mrgreen:
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Bem, com os preços que a EMB está a praticar, se calhar nem isso. ;D
Já aconselhei os irmãos a lerem sobre o AMX, que também ia ser exportado para meio mundo. Afinal ficou-se por Brasil e Itália, apesar de ser um excelente avião de ataque leve e com uma opção interessante de treino (nem mesmo quando parte do AMX da FAB não vai ser modernizado conseguem vender). Agora se não lêm e continuam com a mesma lenga-lenga, mas desta vez aplicada ao KC, a culpa não é minha... ::) 8) ;) :mrgreen:
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Ora porra, então que se troquem os cinco 390 por uma quinzena de amx, ainda sobram umas centenas de milhões, para uns três J's e mais uns cobres para os Helis " EvaKualhões ", que tal ???
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Oh mafets, do que tu te foste lembrar. Daqui a nada, vais buscar o Osório. :mrgreen:
Acho que o KC até era capaz de vir a ter algum sucesso, mas agora com a Boeing metida ao barulho, não sei não cara.
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Supostamente, dois dos clientes principais seriam a NZ e a Polónia, no entanto a NZ vai de C-130J novos e a Polónia para C-130H Modernizados.
Mas aqui o "tuga" vai de KACÊ, com quase 900 milhões para investir. :bang:
Com esse valor comprava-mos 6 C-130J e ainda tinhamos verba para reforçar o programa dos helis de evacuação.
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Oh mafets, do que tu te foste lembrar. Daqui a nada, vais buscar o Osório. :mrgreen:
Acho que o KC até era capaz de vir a ter algum sucesso, mas agora com a Boeing metida ao barulho, não sei não cara.
Então mas 5 a 7 AMX T modernizados não dava para substituir o Alpha? E é Embraer... c56x1 :-P
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New Zealand seeking P-8A Poseidon base builders ahead of first aircraft arrival in 2023
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Illustration: US Navy photo of a P-8A Poseidon aircraft
The New Zealand government has opened tenders for the construction of a new home for the P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft.
The government expects that the new facility for the P-8A fleet at RNZAF Base Ohakea would be completed in three years.
“The government’s investment in this key part of the defense estate will ensure the Royal New Zealand Air Force can manage, maintain and task the new fleet of P-8A Poseidon aircraft efficiently, ahead of the first aircraft’s arrival in 2023,” said defense minister Ron Mark.
The request for proposals closes on September 12, 2019.
New Zealand announced the procurement of four P-8A submarine hunters and two flight simulators in July 2018. The NZ$2.34 billion project includes infrastructure with two hangars, an operations center, warehousing, training and maintenance facilities planned.
The Boeing-built Poseidons will replace the aging P-3K2 fleet currently in operation in New Zealand.
https://navaltoday.com/2019/08/12/new-zealand-seeking-p-8a-poseidon-base-builders-ahead-of-first-aircraft-arrival-in-2023/
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:arrow: https://www.cavok.com.br/blog/boeing-conclui-modernizacao-dos-p-3k2-orion-da-real-forca-aerea-da-nova-zelandia/?fbclid=IwAR1yCwxvbwkwEmPVAuX2eTn-rxBaBVj32KB8fY_HKjOKlTlZa_IbEftJXaU
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New Zealand Enters Transition Phase For Military Fleet
The New Zealand government is preparing to undertake a sweeping overhaul of the country’s military aviation capabilities, and while some fleet choices have been made, other important investment decisions are still to be addressed.
Replacement programs are planned for the transport, surveillance and naval support aircraft types that handle New Zealand’s core aviation roles. This process represents the country’s most extensive military aviation upgrade since the 1960s, says Neil Hygate, program director for air domain at the Ministry of Defense (MOD).
The recent selection of Boeing P-8A Poseidons and Lockheed Martin C130-Js will mean major changes for the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) over a period of 18-24 months, Hygate said during an Oct. 4 presentation in Tauranga. He notes it will be a significant challenge to maintain full operational responsibilities during the transition to the new types, which is expected to begin around 2023.
- C-130Js, P-8As to replace fleet veterans in coming years
- Government considers maritime helicopter, patrol options
The government is also preparing to assess options for new maritime helicopters and offshore surveillance platforms, as well as UAVs for a range of applications. A new long-range jet transport is a longer-term prospect.
All of these aviation initiatives are part of the government’s 2019 Defense Capability Plan (DCP), which was released in June. It was based on previous planning efforts, but has been adjusted to align with the priorities of the coalition government led by the Labour Party that took power in 2017. Defense Minister Ron Mark says the government “significantly recalibrated” previous versions of the plan.
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New Zealand intends to replace its core operational types, including P-3s (bottom left and top right), 757s (top left) and C-130Hs (bottom right). Credit: Crown Copyright/New Zealand Defense Force
While some program time lines and targets have been shifted, the overall investment has not changed. The DCP would cost NZ$20 billion ($12.6 billion) through 2030, covering land and sea forces as well as aviation. Some of this amount has already been committed, but the MOD has to submit a business case and gain approval for each program in the plan. Hygate stresses that “every one of the investments must be argued on its merits.”
One of the government’s key priorities for the defense forces is supporting Pacific Island nations. Another is improving New Zealand’s maritime domain awareness. The latter is particularly challenging given New Zealand defines its domain—and area of search and rescue responsibility—as extending from the Antarctic in the south to Kiribati on the equator, and from the Tasman Sea almost to Pitcairn Island in the east, essentially halfway to Chile. This covers about 20 million km2 (7.72 million mi.2).
A third priority is ensuring the defense forces are “future-proofed” in areas such as network connectivity, cyber warfare and cyber security, with the ability to process larger amounts of data that will be available from more advanced equipment.
The most pressing need identified in the DCP is replacing the RNZAF’s five C-130Hs in the airlift role. While these aircraft have been upgraded multiple times, they were acquired in the mid-1960s “and will be at least 58 years old by the time we finally change them out,” says Hygate. This fleet is getting to an age where its reliability is suffering, and it is “costing a fortune to maintain,” he says.
On the same day as the release of the DCP in June, the Defense Minister announced that the C-130J-30 had been selected as the preferred option to replace its predecessor C-130Hs. Mark says the new aircraft is a “proven performer, and . . . is tried and tested.” He says the type is used by many of New Zealand’s defense partners, with greater range, speed and payload than the older C-130s, and it can still land wherever the current fleet is deployed.
A price will be sought through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales process, and a full business case—including order numbers—will be considered by the New Zealand Cabinet. Hygate says the MOD has submitted a request for “up to five” aircraft. The DCP cites a delivery estimate of 2023, coinciding with the transition.
Reducing risk was also an important factor in this contest. The Embraer KC-390 was considered, but it is a new type and the government is not interested in taking on the risk of being an early operator, says Hygate. Another contender was the Airbus A400M, but he notes it is larger and more expensive, so fewer would have been ordered. A smaller fleet size would mean less flexibility to handle multiple tasks at once.
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The RNZAF’s aircraft are required to operate in diverse environments, such as this P-3 Orion in Antarctica. Credit: Crown Copyright/New Zealand Defense Force
Another selection decision has already been made on replacing the air force’s six P-3K2 Orion maritime patrol aircraft, which have also been around since the 1960s. In July 2018, the government said it would buy four P-8As, with delivery from 2023.
The new aircraft, training systems, related infrastructure and introduction-into-service costs will total NZ$2.3 billion. As with the C-130Js, Mark stresses the P-8As will be able to work independently as well as with partners who also operate the Poseidons—such as Australia, the UK and the U.S. New Zealand will receive the most up-to-date version, and other countries are planning upgrades.
The government has decided to locate the P-8As at the RNZAF Ohakea base, rather than the Auckland base in Whenuapai where the P-3s fly from. This will require new infrastructure at Ohakea to accommodate the jets. Parking aprons will be upgraded and a new two-bay hangar will be built. Hygate says an operations center will be established to process the increased flow of data from the P-8s.
While the P-8As are a far more advanced aircraft than the P-3s, the DCP calls for the creation of a complementary capability to take on some of the civilian maritime surveillance tasks currently performed by the P-3s. This will focus on the needs of other government departments in areas such as fisheries, police, customs, and search and rescue, although it will still be operated by the military.
Using the P-8As for the wide range of civilian requirements would be akin to using “a sledgehammer to crack nuts,” says Hygate. So the government is looking at other, more cost-effective ways to fulfill these tasks. The MOD is building its recommendation based on a “system of systems” range of solutions rather than a single platform, Hygate says. This will likely include radar satellite data, medium-sized turboprop aircraft and UAVs. Requests for tender are expected in 2020, also with potential entry into service in 2023, according to the DCP.
The UAVs for this initiative would be relatively small systems with wingspans of about 3 m and capable of 10-hr. flights, says Hygate. The MOD is also looking at a similar category of UAVs for the military’s beyond-line-of-sight surveillance needs, including a ship-based system. The navy has previously trialed an Insitu ScanEagle UAV on an offshore patrol vessel. And looking beyond 2030, the MOD is also interested in larger Tier 4 UAVs.
Another of the shorter-term priorities is replacing the eight Kaman Seasprite SH-2G(I) ship-borne helicopters used by the Royal New Zealand Navy. The Seasprites were purchased as refurbished aircraft and introduced in 2016. They were intended to be an interim solution, and due to their age they will become “uneconomic to support” by around 2027, Hygate says.
New Zealand is one of only a handful of nations still operating the Seasprites, which are maintained by the air force but crewed by the navy.
The government has just started the process of considering the Seasprite replacement strategy. Hygate indicates it is unlikely that this will result in a “like-for-like replacement” of the existing fleet, due to the changing needs of the navy.
The navy is going to have more “aviation-capable vessels” in the future, necessitating a larger helicopter fleet, says Hygate. However, there will also be a range of ship classes requiring different kinds of helicopter support. Some will need combat helicopters, and others utility helicopters.
Hygate says the government will need to study what mix of helicopter types will be needed, or if a modular platform could be adjusted to meet the different requirements. “All of these options are in our early thinking, we’re not ruling anything out,” he explains.
Replacing the RNZAF’s two Boeing 757-200 cargo/passenger combis will be a longer-term requirement. As part of the review of spending priorities, the government decided to shift back plans to phase out the 757s, Hygate says. He notes they still have “a lot of life left in [them] yet.”
The DCP now calls for the 757s to be replaced around 2028, which means MOD will start the selection process in 2021. A request for tender is slated for 2024.
The 757s have proven to be “amazing aircraft [with] huge utility,” Hygate says. They are the type most requested for support missions in the region by New Zealand’s partner nations and are flown in environments as diverse as Antarctica and the Middle East. The problem is that there is not yet an ideal replacement on the market for this aircraft, says Hygate. For this reason, the MOD is watching the development of Boeing’s new midsized aircraft program and others on the drawing board.
With so much of New Zealand’s aviation capability about to be replaced, getting the selection process right is important. As Mark notes, the DCP comes at a “critical point in time,” as decisions made now are “likely to shape the Defense Force for the next 30 years or more.”
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No máximo dois anos para receberem os cinco cargueiros, exactamente como vai acontecer em Portugal.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/new-zealand-military-buys-5-lockheed-hercules-planes-for-1b/articleshow/76211069.cms
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Boeing starts construction on New Zealand’s first P-8A aircraft
Aerospace company Boeing has laid the keel beam for New Zealand’s first P-8A maritime patrol aircraft.
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As informed, this process was done at the Spirit AeroSystems facility where all Boeing 737 fuselages, nacelles and pylons are designed and built. The keel beam on a P-8 is different from the typical 737 keel beam. The P-8 keel includes unique aspects of the P-8 configuration, such as the integration of an internal weapons bay.
Rosemary Banks, New Zealand’s ambassador to the United States noted that the ceremony is the beginning of a new era for New Zealand’s maritime patrol and response capability.
“Our four P-8A Poseidons will better equip our defence forces to extend their reach into the Pacific and beyond, working with our partners and friends,” she stated.
The panel and other fuselage components will be completed on Spirit’s existing 737 production line. Spirit will ship the P-8A fuselage to a Boeing Commercial Airplanes facility in Renton, Washington for final assembly.
After that, Boeing Defense, Space & Security employees will install mission systems and complete testing prior to delivery to New Zealand later this year, according to the company.
In total, four Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft will eventually replace New Zealand’s current fleet of six ageing P-3K2 Orion aircraft providing capabilities to maintain situational awareness in neighboring waters on and below the surface of the ocean.
Last month, Boeing expressed its intent to offer P-8A Poseidon in response to Canada’s request for information (RFI) for long-range maritime patrol aircraft.
https://www.navaltoday.com/2022/03/18/boeing-starts-construction-on-new-zealands-first-p-8a-aircraft/
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Estes Kiwis são mesmo burros os P8 para quê? :N-icon-Axe:
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/new-zealands-first-boeing-p-8a-poseidon-breaks-cover/
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Estes Kiwis são mesmo burros os P8 para quê?
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/new-zealands-first-boeing-p-8a-poseidon-breaks-cover/
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Exatamente, em caso de conflito têm a Austrália ali mesmo ao lado para os defender
Deviam dedicar -se a temas mais holisticos
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Estes Kiwis são mesmo burros os P8 para quê? :N-icon-Axe:
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/new-zealands-first-boeing-p-8a-poseidon-breaks-cover/
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Exatamente, em caso de conflito têm a Austrália ali mesmo ao lado para os defender
Deviam dedicar -se a temas mais holisticos
Tal & qual, faziam como nós cagavam d'alto para a DN e estendiam as mãos à Austrália, como nós sempre fizemos aos EUA/NATO/Espanha. :mrgreen:
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P-3 Orion - The Story of an Extraordinary Aircraft (17 de Abril de 2024)
Lockheed P-3 Orion NZ4203 flew in the RNZAF for 54 years on thousands of missions all over the world. The aircraft was the first RNZAF Orion to land in Antarctica, and spent an astonishing 27,000 hours patrolling our seas, carrying out anti-submarine and anti-smuggling patrols as well as hundreds of search and rescue missions. The crews who flew and operated NZ4203 reflect on this extraordinary aircraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzp9YtA-2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzp9YtA-2Y)
Cumprimentos,