EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?

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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #330 em: Novembro 12, 2020, 05:35:16 pm »
Já cá se tinha colocado um artigo sobre estes navios, penso que não é este em questão.

Ed.: afinal era este artigo sim senhor.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #332 em: Novembro 20, 2020, 03:16:15 pm »
Navio impressionante! 3/4 idênticos (EPC) para complementar uma classe de fragatas (2/3) seria muitíssimo bom.

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About Qatar’s contract with Fincantieri
For the record, a global order worth 5 billion euros (including 1 billion for missiles) was announced in August 2017. In addition to four air defense corvettes, the contract includes the construction of two OPV/FACM type ships based on the Falaj 2-class (selected by the UAE Navy) and an air defense LPD (fitted with long range L-band radar and ASTER 30 SAM) based on the “BDSL Kalaat Beni Abbes” (143 meters long, 9,000 tonnes displacement), which was delivered in 2015 by Fincantieri to Algeria.

O negócio de 5000 milhões inclui, além de 1000 milhões em mísseis (parecemos nós a comprar ESSM e AMRAAM  :o):

2 "Missile Boats" baseados nos Falaj 2:


E 1 LPD AAW ( ???) baseado no LPD Argelino:


Para fazer as contas do custo de cada uma das corvetas, é preciso supor muita coisa, mas diria que as EPC baseadas nestas corvetas, não ficariam a menos de 400/500 milhões cada, restando-nos apenas a esperança de um bom financiamento da UE.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #333 em: Novembro 21, 2020, 01:12:36 am »
Esse LPD leva um radar banda L e Aster 30. Para nós essas corvetas teriam que dispor de melhores sensores ASW, mas de resto bons navios.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #334 em: Novembro 21, 2020, 01:42:39 am »
Esse LPD leva um radar banda L e Aster 30. Para nós essas corvetas teriam que dispor de melhores sensores ASW, mas de resto bons navios.


Se fosse um sonar Kingclip e um Captas 2 já seria mais que suficiente não!?
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #335 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 11:18:14 am »
Alguém consegue fazer um apanhado dos projectos em questão?

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ESD: What effects did the establishment of Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) have on Portugal’s defence policy? What developments are yet to be expected in this context?

Minister Cravinho: Portugal is deeply committed to European defence in general and to PESCO in particular. PESCO is a major positive development towards a more coordinated investment in defence across Europe, allowing us to address our needs in defence capabilities. We are full participants in 10 PESCO projects, we are observers in 14 other projects, and we will continue to evaluate future opportunities to participate in more projects. Portugal currently leads 2 PESCO projects: on anti-submarine warfare (MUSA); and the Cyber Academy and Innovation Hub. We believe a collective collaborative effort like PESCO is even more important in a context that is going to be marked, probably, by greater budgetary constraints, due to the economic crisis created by the impact of Covid-19. Portugal is also a strong supporter of the vital role that the EDA plays in promoting a coordinated response to vital strategic gaps and has argued for the need to ensure that the EDF will be adequately funded in the new EU budget.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #336 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 11:47:25 am »
Sem ser este parágrafo existe mais alguma coisa feita?  :mrgreen:

https://pesco.europa.eu/project/maritime-unmanned-anti-submarine-system-musas/
 

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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #337 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 12:17:23 pm »
Alguém consegue fazer um apanhado dos projectos em questão?

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ESD: What effects did the establishment of Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) have on Portugal’s defence policy? What developments are yet to be expected in this context?

Minister Cravinho: Portugal is deeply committed to European defence in general and to PESCO in particular. PESCO is a major positive development towards a more coordinated investment in defence across Europe, allowing us to address our needs in defence capabilities. We are full participants in 10 PESCO projects, we are observers in 14 other projects, and we will continue to evaluate future opportunities to participate in more projects. Portugal currently leads 2 PESCO projects: on anti-submarine warfare (MUSA); and the Cyber Academy and Innovation Hub. We believe a collective collaborative effort like PESCO is even more important in a context that is going to be marked, probably, by greater budgetary constraints, due to the economic crisis created by the impact of Covid-19. Portugal is also a strong supporter of the vital role that the EDA plays in promoting a coordinated response to vital strategic gaps and has argued for the need to ensure that the EDF will be adequately funded in the new EU budget.

Realmente não falar das EPC...Mas como vai falar, se estas vão substituir as VDG em 2035?

Primeiro está o famoso MLU...
 

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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #338 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 01:38:33 pm »
Alguém consegue fazer um apanhado dos projectos em questão?

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ESD: What effects did the establishment of Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) have on Portugal’s defence policy? What developments are yet to be expected in this context?

Minister Cravinho: Portugal is deeply committed to European defence in general and to PESCO in particular. PESCO is a major positive development towards a more coordinated investment in defence across Europe, allowing us to address our needs in defence capabilities. We are full participants in 10 PESCO projects, we are observers in 14 other projects, and we will continue to evaluate future opportunities to participate in more projects. Portugal currently leads 2 PESCO projects: on anti-submarine warfare (MUSA); and the Cyber Academy and Innovation Hub. We believe a collective collaborative effort like PESCO is even more important in a context that is going to be marked, probably, by greater budgetary constraints, due to the economic crisis created by the impact of Covid-19. Portugal is also a strong supporter of the vital role that the EDA plays in promoting a coordinated response to vital strategic gaps and has argued for the need to ensure that the EDF will be adequately funded in the new EU budget.

Realmente não falar das EPC...Mas como vai falar, se estas vão substituir as VDG em 2035?

Primeiro está o famoso MLU...
Portugal (ainda?) não é parceiro do consórcio... apenas foi aventada essa possibilidade quando a Espanha se juntou, visto que temos a necessidade de substituir as VdG por essa altura... mas, repito, Portugal não faz let’s do consórcio EPC... o resto é especulação...

Quanto aos projetos em que estamos envolvidos, estão descritos num .pdf na página da PESCO... https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/46846/pesco-projects-20-nov-2020.pdf
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #339 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 02:32:14 pm »
Então cá vai:

EU Cyber Academia and Innovation Hub (EU CAIH) - Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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To ensure a secure cyberspace, it is key to develop a technologically skilled workforce, a cyber-savvy ecosystem, and an effective pipeline of future employees. The project of EU CAIH can add value by enhancing the creation of an innovative web of knowledge for cyber defence and cyber security education and training, providing a vital contribution to strengthening national, NATO and EU’s capability to defend against the threats of the digital world. It would also act as a coordination point for future cyber education, training and exercises, explore synergies with industry and academia, and establish an international cooperative approach, at the EU and NATO levels.

Antonio Esteves MARTINS - Spokesperson of the Permanent Representation of Portugal


Maritime (semi-) Autonomous Systems for Mine Countermeasures (MAS MCM) - Belgium, Greece, Latvia, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The Maritime (semi-) Autonomous Systems for Mine Countermeasures (MAS MCM) will deliver a world-class mix of (semi-) autonomous underwater, surface and aerial technologies and capabilities for maritime mine countermeasures. The project will enable member states to protect maritime vessels, harbours and off shore installations, and to safeguard freedom of navigation on maritime trading routes.
The development of autonomous vehicles, using cutting-edge technology and an open architecture, adopting a common standard and modular set up, will contribute significantly to the EU's maritime security by helping to counter the threat of sea mines.

Harbour & Maritime Surveillance and Protection (HARMSPRO) - Italy, Greece, Poland, Portugal (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The Harbour & Maritime Surveillance and Protection (HARMSPRO) will deliver a new maritime capability which will provide member states with the ability to conduct surveillance and protection of specified maritime areas, from harbours up to littoral waters, including sea line of communications and choke points and offshore critical infrastructure It will deliver an integrated system of maritime sensors, software and platforms (surface, underwater and aerial vehicles), which fuse and process data, to aid the detection and identification of a range of potential maritime threats and will be properly prevent and counter asymmetric (drones included) threats in a threedimensional environment. The project will also deliver a command and
control function for the deployable system, which could operate in harbours, coastal areas and the littoral environment.

Maritime Unmanned AntiSubmarine System (MUSAS) -  Portugal, France, Spain, Sweden (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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The Maritime Unmanned Anti-Submarine System (MUSAS) aims to develop and deliver an advanced command, control and communications (C3) service architecture, for anti-submarine warfare, taking advantage of cutting-edge technology and artificial intelligence, in order to counter area denial methods of adversaries. Moreover, it will enhance the protection of underwater high-value infrastructures as well as sea-based energy systems, providing quick response with appropriate levels of force to intrusion or threat to sea lines of communication.

Antonio Esteves MARTINS Spokesperson of the Permanent Representation of Portugal


European Secure Software defined Radio (ESSOR) - France, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The European Secure Software Defined Radio aims to develop common technologies for European military radios. The adoption of these technologies as a standard will guarantee the interoperability of EU forces in the framework of joint operations, regardless which radio platforms are used, thereby reinforcing the European strategic autonomy.
The European Secure Software Defined Radio project will provide a secure military communications system, improving voice and data communication between EU forces on a variety of platforms.

Cyber Threats and Incident Response Information Sharing Platform - Greece, Austria, Cyprus, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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Cyber Threats and Incident Response Information Sharing Platform will develop more active defence measures, potentially moving from firewalls to more active measures.
This project aims to help mitigate these risks by focusing on the sharing of cyber threat intelligence through a networked Member State platform, with the aim of strengthening nations' cyber defence capabilities.

Strategic Command and Control (C2) System for CSDP Missions and Operations - Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The project aims to improve the command and control systems of EU missions and operations through the provision of an ambitious strategic level suite of capabilities, in a modular and escalable approach for future developments.
The Strategic Command and Control (C2) System for CSDP missions and operations includes the capability to conduct several simultaneous operations, with all kinds of forces, anywhere in the world, either independently or in cooperation with NATO. The Strategic C2 will integrate all kinds of Communication and Information Systems (CIS), Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) and Logistic (LOG) means and will be interoperable with Member States (MS), EU forces, NATO and civil agencies.
Once implemented, the project will enhance the military decision-making process, improve the planning and conduction of operations and missions, and the coordination of EU forces.

European Medical Command - Germany, Belgium, Czechia, Estonia, France, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden
Obersever: Bulgaria, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Portugal (Adopted on 16 November 2020)

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The EMC will support the EU with an enduring medical capability to enable joint and combined operations. The EMC is a coordinating entity to increase the readiness of military medical support as a whole, not only by multinational cooperation but also by civil-military interaction. The MMCC/EMC will host the projects of MMCC and EMC under one administrative and infrastructural framework as an extension of the already inaugurated MMCC

Military Mobility - Netherlands, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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This project supports member states' commitment to simplify and standardize cross-border military transport procedures. It aims to enable the unhindered movement of military personnel and assets within the borders of the EU. This entails avoiding long bureaucratic procedures to move through or over EU member states, be it via rail, road, air or sea.
Improving military mobility takes place in a number of expert level working groups within and beyond the EU, as well as from the EU institutions themselves. This project serves as the political-strategic platform where progress and issues stemming from these efforts are discussed. In addition, the project is focussed on the sharing of best practises and implementing the deliverables of Council conclusions of 25th June 2018.

Geospacial, Meteorological and Oceanographic (GeoMETOC) Support Coordination Element (GMSCE) - Germany, Austria, France, Greece, Portugal, Romania (Adopted on 19 November 2018)

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The objective of this project is to enhance geospatial, meteorological and oceanographic (GeoMETOC) support for missions and operations by means of an architecture that connects and improves significantly the European GeoMETOC capabilities through (1) the coordination and enhancement of the GeoMETOC data acquisition including installation of a Geo-Data Infrastructure EU (GDI-EU) (i.e. common procurement of hard- and software, licensing, where appropriate initiating co-production) (2) the harmonisation, coordination and management of
joint training content and training, (3) a common policy for GeoMETOC training support, (4) the establishment of virtual training platforms, (5) the development of GeoMETOC Services based on Advanced Analytics and Big Data and (6) the coordination and guidance of GeoMETOC research for military purposes.


Materials and components for technological EU competitiveness (MAC-EU) - France, Portugal, Romania, Spain (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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The objective is to develop the European Defence Technological and Industrial Base (EDTIB) in the area of materials and components technologies, specifically those for which the security of supply and the freedom of use may be restricted. The project will also enhance the competitiveness, the innovation and the efficiency of the EDTIB by supporting collaborative actions and cross border cooperation.

Como podem ver só um único projecto em que estamos como observadores aparece neste documento. Segundo o Ministro estamos em 14 projectos como observadores, por isso é fazer as contas.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #340 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 02:53:07 pm »
Então cá vai:

EU Cyber Academia and Innovation Hub (EU CAIH) - Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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To ensure a secure cyberspace, it is key to develop a technologically skilled workforce, a cyber-savvy ecosystem, and an effective pipeline of future employees. The project of EU CAIH can add value by enhancing the creation of an innovative web of knowledge for cyber defence and cyber security education and training, providing a vital contribution to strengthening national, NATO and EU’s capability to defend against the threats of the digital world. It would also act as a coordination point for future cyber education, training and exercises, explore synergies with industry and academia, and establish an international cooperative approach, at the EU and NATO levels.

Antonio Esteves MARTINS - Spokesperson of the Permanent Representation of Portugal


Maritime (semi-) Autonomous Systems for Mine Countermeasures (MAS MCM) - Belgium, Greece, Latvia, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The Maritime (semi-) Autonomous Systems for Mine Countermeasures (MAS MCM) will deliver a world-class mix of (semi-) autonomous underwater, surface and aerial technologies and capabilities for maritime mine countermeasures. The project will enable member states to protect maritime vessels, harbours and off shore installations, and to safeguard freedom of navigation on maritime trading routes.
The development of autonomous vehicles, using cutting-edge technology and an open architecture, adopting a common standard and modular set up, will contribute significantly to the EU's maritime security by helping to counter the threat of sea mines.

Harbour & Maritime Surveillance and Protection (HARMSPRO) - Italy, Greece, Poland, Portugal (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

Citar
The Harbour & Maritime Surveillance and Protection (HARMSPRO) will deliver a new maritime capability which will provide member states with the ability to conduct surveillance and protection of specified maritime areas, from harbours up to littoral waters, including sea line of communications and choke points and offshore critical infrastructure It will deliver an integrated system of maritime sensors, software and platforms (surface, underwater and aerial vehicles), which fuse and process data, to aid the detection and identification of a range of potential maritime threats and will be properly prevent and counter asymmetric (drones included) threats in a threedimensional environment. The project will also deliver a command and
control function for the deployable system, which could operate in harbours, coastal areas and the littoral environment.

Maritime Unmanned AntiSubmarine System (MUSAS) -  Portugal, France, Spain, Sweden (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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The Maritime Unmanned Anti-Submarine System (MUSAS) aims to develop and deliver an advanced command, control and communications (C3) service architecture, for anti-submarine warfare, taking advantage of cutting-edge technology and artificial intelligence, in order to counter area denial methods of adversaries. Moreover, it will enhance the protection of underwater high-value infrastructures as well as sea-based energy systems, providing quick response with appropriate levels of force to intrusion or threat to sea lines of communication.

Antonio Esteves MARTINS Spokesperson of the Permanent Representation of Portugal


European Secure Software defined Radio (ESSOR) - France, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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The European Secure Software Defined Radio aims to develop common technologies for European military radios. The adoption of these technologies as a standard will guarantee the interoperability of EU forces in the framework of joint operations, regardless which radio platforms are used, thereby reinforcing the European strategic autonomy.
The European Secure Software Defined Radio project will provide a secure military communications system, improving voice and data communication between EU forces on a variety of platforms.

Cyber Threats and Incident Response Information Sharing Platform - Greece, Austria, Cyprus, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Spain (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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Cyber Threats and Incident Response Information Sharing Platform will develop more active defence measures, potentially moving from firewalls to more active measures.
This project aims to help mitigate these risks by focusing on the sharing of cyber threat intelligence through a networked Member State platform, with the aim of strengthening nations' cyber defence capabilities.

Strategic Command and Control (C2) System for CSDP Missions and Operations - Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

Citar
The project aims to improve the command and control systems of EU missions and operations through the provision of an ambitious strategic level suite of capabilities, in a modular and escalable approach for future developments.
The Strategic Command and Control (C2) System for CSDP missions and operations includes the capability to conduct several simultaneous operations, with all kinds of forces, anywhere in the world, either independently or in cooperation with NATO. The Strategic C2 will integrate all kinds of Communication and Information Systems (CIS), Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) and Logistic (LOG) means and will be interoperable with Member States (MS), EU forces, NATO and civil agencies.
Once implemented, the project will enhance the military decision-making process, improve the planning and conduction of operations and missions, and the coordination of EU forces.

European Medical Command - Germany, Belgium, Czechia, Estonia, France, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden
Obersever: Bulgaria, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Portugal (Adopted on 16 November 2020)

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The EMC will support the EU with an enduring medical capability to enable joint and combined operations. The EMC is a coordinating entity to increase the readiness of military medical support as a whole, not only by multinational cooperation but also by civil-military interaction. The MMCC/EMC will host the projects of MMCC and EMC under one administrative and infrastructural framework as an extension of the already inaugurated MMCC

Military Mobility - Netherlands, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden (Adopted on 6 March 2018)

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This project supports member states' commitment to simplify and standardize cross-border military transport procedures. It aims to enable the unhindered movement of military personnel and assets within the borders of the EU. This entails avoiding long bureaucratic procedures to move through or over EU member states, be it via rail, road, air or sea.
Improving military mobility takes place in a number of expert level working groups within and beyond the EU, as well as from the EU institutions themselves. This project serves as the political-strategic platform where progress and issues stemming from these efforts are discussed. In addition, the project is focussed on the sharing of best practises and implementing the deliverables of Council conclusions of 25th June 2018.

Geospacial, Meteorological and Oceanographic (GeoMETOC) Support Coordination Element (GMSCE) - Germany, Austria, France, Greece, Portugal, Romania (Adopted on 19 November 2018)

Citar
The objective of this project is to enhance geospatial, meteorological and oceanographic (GeoMETOC) support for missions and operations by means of an architecture that connects and improves significantly the European GeoMETOC capabilities through (1) the coordination and enhancement of the GeoMETOC data acquisition including installation of a Geo-Data Infrastructure EU (GDI-EU) (i.e. common procurement of hard- and software, licensing, where appropriate initiating co-production) (2) the harmonisation, coordination and management of
joint training content and training, (3) a common policy for GeoMETOC training support, (4) the establishment of virtual training platforms, (5) the development of GeoMETOC Services based on Advanced Analytics and Big Data and (6) the coordination and guidance of GeoMETOC research for military purposes.


Materials and components for technological EU competitiveness (MAC-EU) - France, Portugal, Romania, Spain (Adopted on 12 November 2019)

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The objective is to develop the European Defence Technological and Industrial Base (EDTIB) in the area of materials and components technologies, specifically those for which the security of supply and the freedom of use may be restricted. The project will also enhance the competitiveness, the innovation and the efficiency of the EDTIB by supporting collaborative actions and cross border cooperation.

Como podem ver só um único projecto em que estamos como observadores aparece neste documento. Segundo o Ministro estamos em 14 projectos como observadores, por isso é fazer as contas.

E equipamentos reais ?

EPC, helis ? Só treta da UE.
 
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« Responder #341 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 03:51:18 pm »
Como assim? Isto são projectos que se vão traduzir em equipamentos/armamentos reais.
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #342 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 07:13:30 pm »
Que mariquices são essas de ciberdefesa, sistemas autónomos, meteorologia e oceanografia?!?

Quer-se é misseis e canhões...
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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #343 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 09:47:24 pm »
A questão é, em quantos desses vamos até ao fim, e quanto vamos beneficiar desses programas? É que fazemos parte do consórcio de ESSM Block 2 e vamos ter pouquíssimos. Participámos em N programas e desistimos de quase todos.

O MUSAS parece dos mais interessantes, mas gostava de saber depois de concluído o projecto, vamos acabar por ficar com um par de UUVs provenientes deste projecto só para dizer que sim, ou vai haver um esforço de capacitar mais navios com os ditos sistemas?
 

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Re: EPC ( European Patrol Corvette) na Marinha ?
« Responder #344 em: Dezembro 22, 2020, 09:48:53 pm »
Isto faz lembrar os cursos de papel e lápis, quando as universidades privadas começaram a brotar por todo o país. De concreto nunca vai haver nada –– pelo menos por parte de Portugal –– porque envolve gastar dinheiro. Mais ou menos a mesma razão porque não fazemos parte de grupos de partilha de meios, como o SAC (C-17) e MMF (A330 MRTT). O que vale é que há sempre pessoal optimista. Valha-nos isso!

Quanto a canhões e mísseis, quem precisa disso? Os NPOs certamente que não. Para as fragatas e os F-16 nem vê-los! O que vale é que ainda temos a GNR.
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