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Título: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2006, 10:12:24 am
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Delivery of the “S” Class Frigate “Kountouriotis”
 
 
(Source: ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems; issued Sept. 12, 2006)
 
   
 
 On Tuesday September 12th, 2006, the “S” Class Frigate “Kountouriotis” was delivered to the Hellenic Navy, during a ceremony that took place in the premises of Hellenic Shipyards S.A. in Skaramangas. Rear Admiral I. Karaiskos H.N., Deputy Chief of Fleet, attended the ceremony.  
 
The Frigate “Kountouriotis” is the first of the six “S” Class frigates to be modernized for the Hellenic Navy. HS “Kountouriotis,” underwent extensive and demanding sea trials following her modernization, having had all her systems successfully tested and is now ready to join again the Hellenic Navy.  
 
The Hellenic Ministry of Defense awarded the “S” class frigates contract to Hellenic Shipyards in 2003. The foreseen end of this program is October 2009.  
 
The modernization scope of work is mainly the renewal of most of the sensors and weapon systems, the installation of a new tactical combat system, the modernization of the communication and navigation systems, the replacement of the propulsion, monitoring and control system (IPMS) and some other platform modernization works.  
 
These developments render the vessels particularly effective in meeting the specific operational needs of the Hellenic Navy and represent a significant and important step in the process of modernization that the Hellenic Navy is carrying out.  
 
Two more frigates are being currently modernized in the premises of Hellenic Shipyards S.A., Frigate “Adrias” and Frigate “Navarino”. Frigate “Adrias” is planned to be delivered to the Hellenic Navy in November 2006.  
 
With regard to the frigate delivery, Mr. Thies Stueber, Member of the Board and COO of Hellenic Shipyards S.A. stated: “This is a fine example of the work of Hellenic Shipyards, supported by the know-how of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems. Hellenic Shipyards S.A. is becoming a technologically advanced shipyard and we will continue to invest in that direction.”  
 
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Enviado por: Menacho em Novembro 21, 2006, 06:47:33 pm
EL TIPO 214 NO HA SIDO ACEPTADO TODAVIA POR GRECIA

Luego de algunas semanas, un cierto numero de rumores han trascendido respecto a las pruebas realizadas por primer submarino tipo 214 construído por TKMS de Alemania para Grecia.

TTU ha obtenido algunas precisiones sobre este tema. Atenas ha rechazado la recepción del primer submarino de la serie luego que el mismo tuvo una escora de 50 grados luego de un giro en una prueba.

Se comenta, ademas, que el sistema AIP (Air Independant System) germano, que le permitiría al submarino permanecer semanas en inmersión, habría presentado defectos. El sistema, basado en una pila de combustible, según los trascendidos no está todavía maduro y ofrece problemas en operaciones.
Mas grave aún: la firma acústica del primer 214 griego es muy importante y no reponde al diseño.

Las negociaciones entre el Ministerio de Defensa de Grecia y la firma Thyssen, prometen ser de “músculos tensos”.

Construído por HDW en Kiel, el “ S 120 Papanikolis” debía inicialmente haber entrado en servicio en diciembre del 2005. Los tres submarinos que completan la clase, deben ser ensamblados en el astillero griego Hellenic Shipyards de Skaramanga.

El tipo 214 , adoptado también por Corea del Sud, es un miembro de la familia "tipo 212" en servicio en la la Bundesmarine , también adoptado (el 212) por la MMI (Marina Militare Italiana).

Para TKMS, la importancia de este “affaire” (real o inventado) con el tipo 214 , puede tener incidencia sobre discusiones comerciales en curso.
El grupo germano está compitiendo actualmente con el Marlin de DCN, en licitaciones de Pakistan y Turquía.
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Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 22, 2006, 08:34:26 am
:shock:

terão esses problemas com os U-214 gregos implicações nos U209PN?
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Enviado por: luis filipe silva em Novembro 22, 2006, 10:15:41 am
P 44 escreveu:
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terão esses problemas com os U-214 gregos implicações nos U209PN?

Em princípio os navios são iguais, espero que dado o desfasamento na construção entre os gregos e os portugueses, qualquer dos problemas citados venha a ser corrigido durante a construção.
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Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Novembro 22, 2006, 10:20:35 am
O mesmo espera a Marinha de Guerra Brasileira. Neste momento há muitas pessoas a olharem para esta situação, se o estaleiro Alemão não resolver esta situação, vai ver a sua reputação e ainda pior as suas encomendas a virem por aí abaixo. Dúvido que eles permitem tal situação.
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Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 22, 2006, 10:50:58 am
Accueil > Défense
Type 214 : ThyssenKrupp réfute les critiques à l'encontre de son sous-marin

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Sous-marin du type 214
crédits : THYSSENKRUPP

 

21/11/2006


Le groupe allemand ThyssenKrupp rejette les critiques émises récemment par Athènes à l'encontre du Papanikolis, le premier sous-marin du type 214 construit pour la Grèce. Certaines autorités hellènes avaient confirmé, la semaine dernière, que le pays refusait d'accepter le bâtiment. Aux chantiers HDW de Hambourg, où le Papanikolis a été réalisé, l'industriel affirme que les problèmes rencontrés au cours des 18 mois d'essais ont été corrigés et que le sous-marin respecte techniquement les termes contractuels. Ces dernières semaines, des problèmes sur le système de propulsion anaérobie du Type 214, un AIP (Air Independant System) fonctionnant avec une pile à combustible, avaient été évoqués, de même que des soucis de discrétion acoustique.
Signé en février 2000, le contrat porte sur la livraison de quatre sous-marins d'attaque dérivés du Type 212 A construit pour la Bundesmarine. A part la tête de série, construite en Allemagne, les trois autres submersibles sont réalisés aux chantiers Hellenic Shipyards, situés près d'Athènes pour une livraison entre 2008 et 2010.

http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=103035 (http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=103035)
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Enviado por: HaDeS em Janeiro 11, 2009, 12:00:36 am
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Turquia intercepta navio e helicóptero da Grécia e causa incidente internacional

No último dia 7 de janeiro, durante operações realizadas pela Grécia para busca e resgate de imigrantes ilegais no Mar Egeu, um navio e um helicóptero foram interceptados por um barco de patrulha e dois Lockheed F-16C da Força Aérea da Turquia, perto das ilhas Farmakonissi e Agathonissi, criando um grande incidente nas relações entre os dois países.
Segundo o Departamento Nacional de Defesa da Grécia (DNDG), os acontecimentos tiveram início por volta das 9h15, quando a fragata Nikiforos foi “interceptada” por um barco de patrulha da Turquia, enquanto o Super Puma foi acompanhado por dois F-16C. Imediatamente, caças da defesa aérea da Grécia foram acionados e, ao chegarem ao local, os jatos de combate turcos saíram imediatamente da região, num vôo a baixa altitude, por volta das 9h22.

Pouco tempo mais tarde, dois F-16C turcos voltaram a infringir o espaço aéreo controlado pela Grécia, desta vez pelas ilhas de Chios e Samos, sem notificarem planos de vôo, fazendo com que fossem interceptados por caças da defesa aérea.
Pela terceira vez, da mesma foram como fizeram anteriormente, dois F-16C da Turquia infringiram o espaço aéreo controlado pela Grécia e foram interceptados por volta das 9h55, abandonando a região próximo a ilha de Agathonissi num vôo à baixa altura.
Por fim, a Turquia enviou às 12h17 oito jatos de combate McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phanton para a região das ilhas de Chios e Samos, onde foram interceptados por caças da Grécia. Durante o encontro, houveram vários engajamentos. Os F-4E deixaram a região apenas às 12h39.

“As operações de busca e resgate a esses imigrantes ilegais haviam sido devidamente notificadas através de um Notam, emitido pelo Ministério da Marinha Mercante da Grécia, alertando para o evento que aconteceria no dia seguinte”, declarou o DNDG.

O ministro das Relações Exteriores, Dora Bakoyannis, classificou como “inaceitável” as reações da Turquia e disse que a Grécia vai tomar as providências cabíveis junto as autoridades internacionais.


Fonte:
http://www.revistaasas.com.br/index.php ... 6&LE=atual (http://www.revistaasas.com.br/index.php?ASA=show_news&id=806&LE=atual)
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Enviado por: TOMSK em Janeiro 11, 2009, 12:04:44 am
:shock:
Estes dois também são como água e azeite...
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Enviado por: Lightning em Janeiro 11, 2009, 11:11:21 am
Penso que se não fosse pelos Americanos, a Turquia nunca faria parte da NATO.
Vê-se a vontade que os paises europeus tem de ter a Turquia na UE.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Abril 29, 2013, 10:37:47 pm
Lanchas gregas.  :G-beer2:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Maio 23, 2014, 09:52:29 pm
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As classe La Combattante gregas.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Outubro 18, 2014, 12:34:49 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Fevereiro 09, 2015, 07:38:45 pm
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E que se lixe a troika...  c34x
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Fevereiro 12, 2015, 07:51:33 pm
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E esta só para trocar os olhos.  :shock:
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Enviado por: Alvalade em Fevereiro 12, 2015, 07:55:07 pm
Bela Crise
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Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Fevereiro 20, 2015, 04:09:55 pm
É o resultado de décadas de forte investimento na Defesa.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Março 29, 2015, 10:56:05 pm
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 :arrow: http://navalanalyses.blogspot.nl/2015/0 ... -navy.html (http://navalanalyses.blogspot.nl/2015/03/elli-class-frigates-of-hellenic-navy.html)

E a modernização a que estas fragatas da classe Kortenaer foram submetidas. Há muita coisa para além dos sistemas de armas.

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The program began in July 2004 with frigate Kountouriotis; the sixth and last modernized frigate was delivered in 2009. The modernization emphasized on the electronic equipment and combat management system and left unchanged the weapon systems of the ships except for the addition of two Mk137 decoy launchers soft-kill weapon systems part of the BAE Systems SRBOC on Batch I frigates. That time, Batch I frigates were equipped with two units, similarly with frigates of the Batch III (Batch II frigates had already four launchers). Unfortunately, the significant upgrade of the Mk29 launcher to Mk29 Mod 4 in order to allow the launcher to launch the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) was cancelled. The whole modernization program aimed to extend the frigates' service lives by 20 years. In summary, the modernization of the electronic equipment included the following:

    -Addition of MIRADOR optronic observation and weapon control system (see extensive description of the sensors ' capabilities in next paragraphs)
    -Addition of  SCOUT Mk2 LPI radar, a sensor that equips also the ships of the Batch III, while the old ZW06 surface search and navigation radar was removed
   - Upgrade of WM25 combined surface search and fire control radar
    -Upgrade of STIR 1.8 tracking and illumination radar
    -Upgrade of LW08 long range air-search radar
    -Installation of one of the most advanced systems in the world in this category, the EDO CS-3701 Electronic Support Measures (ESM); the old  SPHINX is removed
    -The Sewaco MkII combat management system is replaced with the advanced and very successful system in this category, the Thales TACTICOS (Sewaco FD).
   - Installation of an ALEX system by Lockheed Martin Sippican's Passive Decoy Systems Group that links the decoy launching system to the ship's ESM, wind and navigation sensors.
    -Replacement of the Integrated Communications System  3 (ICS3) by a new scheme of EADS Hagenuk
    -Integration of the terminal data Link 11 from Rockwell Collins in the combat management system
    -Installation of INMARSAT FLEET 77 on three ships
    -Installation of two Marine Inertial Systems (INS) Mk39 Mod3A Ring Laser Gyro that replaced the gyro compasses Mk29 and Mk23
    -Addition of GPS receiver
   - Installation of V/UHF SATURN featuring Electronic Communications anti-Measure (ECCM


Many subsystems of the rest of the equipment such as parts of the propulsion system were replaced with new or other systems were upgraded to increase performance and capabilities. As it is already mentioned , for a more extensive description of the sensors' capabilities and details on the upgrades read these paragraphs that describe the electronic equipment of the ships.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Novembro 01, 2015, 05:21:56 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: olisipo em Março 25, 2016, 04:21:44 pm

Hellenic Navy, the Guardian of the Aegean 

In March 01, 2016  (updated article) the Hellenic Navy consists of the following warships:

- 13 frigates,

- 10 submarines,

- 17 fast attack missile crafts,

-  10 large patrol boats,

-  6 coastal patrol boats,

-  3 large tank landing ships,

-  4 large hovercrafts,

-  3 logistic support/replenishment ships,

-  18 ASW helicopters S-70 and AB212

and many other auxiliary vessels.

http://navalanalyses.blogspot.fr/2014/12/hellenic-navy-1944-2014.html
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
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Hellenic Navy commissions final two Type 214 submarines

http://navaltoday.com/2016/06/24/hellenic-navy-commissions-final-two-type-214-submarines/
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Enviado por: HSMW em Novembro 19, 2016, 02:18:00 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: olisipo em Dezembro 07, 2016, 03:12:21 pm
   

Marinha grega (Polemikó Nautikó)
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Janeiro 02, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Naval Analyses ‏@D__Mitch  22m22 minutes ago
Exclusive photos: Transforming a #HellenicNavy Jason class LST into a minelayer (mines are loaded in tank deck and laid from the aft ramp)!

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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Abril 29, 2017, 09:47:12 pm
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 :o
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Abril 20, 2018, 10:10:48 am
Grécia faz leasing de 2 FREEM por cinco anos

http://www.ekathimerini.com/227865/article/ekathimerini/news/athens-to-bolster-defense-capabilities-with-two-french-frigates
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Enviado por: Lusitano89 em Maio 12, 2019, 07:11:26 pm
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Enviado por: P44 em Junho 15, 2019, 07:36:56 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 26, 2019, 01:07:28 pm
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Artist impression of a Belharra frigate in a coalition. Naval Group image.

Head Of Greek Defense Procurement Agency Visited Naval Group

Xavier Vavasseur  24 Jun 2019

The General Director of the GDDIA (the Hellenic defense procurement agency) Vice Admiral (ret.) Kyriakos Kyriakidis, visited Naval Group's headquarters on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show. The meeting took place just weeks after GDDIA submitted an LOI to France in connection with the procurement of two Belharra frigates from Naval Group by the Hellenic Navy.
The visit of the head of the General Directorate For Defense Investments And Armaments (GDDIA) was announced on the procurement agency’s website.
According to the statement:
“The General Director of GDDIA Vice Admiral (ret.) Kyriakos Kyriakidis, visited the International Show «Paris Air Show 2019», which takes place in Paris from 17 to 23 June 2019.”
[…]
“Furthermore, the exhibition offered the opportunity for a visit at Group Naval company headquarters in Paris.”
Greek Media reported earlier this month that the GDDIA submitted a LOI to France in connection with the procurement of two Belharra frigates from Naval Group for the Hellenic Navy. You may read our detailed story about this development here. This topic was highly likely discussed this week, between all parties involved.
It has been a known fact since about 2008, that the Hellenic Navy is looking to procure new surface combatant, primarily for Anti Air Warfare (AAW) missions.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/06/head-of-greek-defense-procurement-agency-visited-naval-group/

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Enviado por: tenente em Julho 13, 2019, 07:14:52 pm
State approves half-billion MH-60R helo sale to Greece

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U.S. Navy MH-60R Seahawk helicopter assigned to the Spartans of Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 70 shoots an AGM-114N Hellfire missile during exercise Baltic Operations in the Baltic Sea on June 14. (Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Theodore Green/Navy)

WASHINGTON — The State Department has cleared a possible $600 million foreign military sale of seven MH-60R Seahawk Multi-Mission helicopters to Greece.

Congress was notified of the sale July 12, according to an announcement posted to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency’s website. Congress is required to approve the deal.

The sale will include 10 APS-I 53(V) Multi-Mode Radars, 18 T700 GE-401 C engines as well as other radar, targeting and communications systems and equipment.

The order would also include 1,000 AN/SSQ-36/53/62 Sonobuoys, 100 Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System rockets, 30 MK 54 Torpedoes and M-2400 guns.

The principal contractor is Lockheed Martin Rotary and Mission Systems in Owego, New York.

The government in Greece announced it intended to buy the helicopters in February as part of a modernization effort.

Greek officials have recently sought closer ties to the U.S. military at the same time U.S. relations with Turkey have soured over its acquisition of the Russian S-400 air defense system.A

http://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/Forum/viewthread.php?tid=17&page=4

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: NVF em Julho 13, 2019, 11:40:04 pm
Uns 827 milhões ficavam melhor num compra destas do que a comprar protótipos de aviões cargueiros ‘sem asas’.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: tenente em Julho 15, 2019, 10:12:26 am
Uns 827 milhões ficavam melhor num compra destas do que a comprar protótipos de aviões cargueiros ‘sem asas’.

ou gastar esta verba numa vintena de tucanos, e dois ou três E190 MPA's !!

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: NVF em Julho 15, 2019, 04:15:08 pm
Os ST tudo bem, mas uma eventual aquisição do E190 MPA, com a maioria dos aliados a optar pelo P-8, ia ser de alguma forma análoga à situação do Ká-Cê que, ainda por cima, tem sensores que os americas nunca irão deixar ser utilizados em aviões concorrentes. A maior diferença é que o E190 já é uma plataforma com provas dadas.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 14, 2020, 06:04:22 pm
Futura Fragata grega

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1228370672512126979
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 19, 2020, 07:21:22 am
Ticos para a Grécia?

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1229867627931193347
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 06:05:43 pm
Um país que teve numa situação financeira pior que nós, a procurar um par de navios com custos semelhantes, ou superiores, a todos os navios da MP.  :o
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 07:36:18 pm
Um país que teve numa situação financeira pior que nós, a procurar um par de navios com custos semelhantes, ou superiores, a todos os navios da MP.  :o

Será que a situação financeira vivida pela Grécia foi alguma vez pior que a nossa ???
Tenho as minhas dúvidas, para mim foi mais um embuste criado pelos nossos Responsáveis para nunca sabermos a realidade da nossa situação financeira, fizeram-nos crer que a Grécia estava pior para não haver ondas por cá, e assim lá continuamos os Mansos do costume !!

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Fevereiro 20, 2020, 08:08:54 pm
Além de que a Turquia anda a mostrar muito os dentes
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: MATRA em Fevereiro 21, 2020, 12:19:28 pm
Eles gastam cerca de 2.4% do PIB, já chegaram a gastar mais que 6% nos anos 80, com um PIB ligeiramente mais baixo que o nosso, a grande diferença é que lá gasta-se mesmo os 2.4% na defesa, e cá o nosso 1,8% ou lá ou que é agora, é apenas para inglês (NATO) ver.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Major Alvega em Junho 25, 2020, 06:40:57 pm
https://navalnews.net/greek-and-israeli-shipyards-signed-a-cooperation-agreement-for-the-themistocles-class-corvette/ (https://navalnews.net/greek-and-israeli-shipyards-signed-a-cooperation-agreement-for-the-themistocles-class-corvette/)

Nova classe de corvetas para a marinha grega desenvolvidas através de parceria entre Israel e Grécia.

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Outubro 24, 2020, 04:01:02 pm
Greece’s navy feels the Mediterranean heat
At a time when maritime security concerns are increasing, Greece’s navy is seeking to modernise an ageing fleet with limited resources. Can Athens deliver on its naval-modernisation requirements?

In early August, Greece launched the last of its Roussen-class corvettes, some 20 years after the programme began. The delays to the project, in part caused by Greece’s financial struggles, which postponed most naval-modernisation plans, are emblematic of the challenges the Greek navy has been facing. It is now seeking to modernise an ageing fleet with still limited resources, in an increasingly volatile maritime neighbourhood at a time when the maritime capabilities of Turkey, Greece’s arch-rival, have been going from strength to strength. So how will Athens be able to deliver on its increasingly urgent modernisation requirements?

Setting a new course?

In the past, Greece mostly worked with European countries to build its naval power. In the 1980s, it bought second-hand Kortenaer-class frigates from the Netherlands (which became the Elli class) and signed a contract for four German-designed MEKO 200 HN Hydra-class frigates, three of which were built locally. These frigates are now the backbone of the fleet. Moreover, these limited partnerships proved successful in providing the navy with efficient, well-armed vessels while also allowing Greece to maintain a modest yet capable shipbuilding industry, which produced most of the navy’s smaller assets. However, the ships are now showing their age.

European options may beckon again, with Greece looking potentially both to France, an important player in both the Mediterranean and shipbuilding, and to Germany, Europe’s economic powerhouse and the provider of the Greek navy’s submarine capability (albeit the newest of its German-designed boats were built locally). Up to now, Berlin may have been more reluctant than Paris to take an overt role in the Mediterranean, but simmering frictions there have already been exacerbated both by Turkey’s increasing ambitions in Libya and by growing tensions over offshore gas reserves in the eastern Mediterranean, particularly off Cyprus.

These developments have placed Turkey at greater odds with the European Union. Furthermore, the new regional dynamics are generating new alignments, increasing maritime security concerns and thus adding to the premium on having capable maritime forces in the region. Turkey, for its part, currently has a naval programme that includes new German-designed submarines, new frigate classes (either recently delivered or under construction as part of its MILGEM project for indigenous surface combatants), and, perhaps most notably, a locally built variant of the Spanish Juan Carlos I large amphibious-ship design.

Greece had ambitions to acquire the French version of the Franco-Italian multi-mission or FREMM frigate – known in the French navy as the Aquitaine class – from France’s Naval Group. However, financial considerations have forced these ambitions to be scaled back. Athens is now looking at the export variant of the newer and well-armed, but more modest, Amiral Ronarc'h-class frigates – possibly only two. This illustrates the limits of Greece’s ability to respond to Turkey’s activities in the Mediterranean basin. Athens has also been considering possible acquisitions from the United States as part of its fleet modernisation.

Updating the Hydra class is another priority, aimed at extending the service lives of the ships by about 15 years with new combat-management systems, sensors and weapons. Greece’s requirement for new surface combatants could also be split into a mixture of larger and smaller platforms. On the European front, within the framework of the EU’s Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) process for enhanced defence cooperation, Greece has joined France, Italy and Spain on a project to design and develop a modular European Patrol Corvette, which could be configured in several variants to meet specific needs. But, while this would offer Greece procurement possibilities – ultimately benefiting both its navy and shipbuilding industry – it still needs to be able to pay for them, and also requires a more time-sensitive solution to escalating problems in the region.

A new partner on the horizon?

Perhaps to provide that more timely solution, Greece-based Onex Neorion Shipyards and Israel Shipyards announced in June that they are teaming up to offer a corvette design, the Themistocles class, based on the Israeli Sa’ar 72 design. This step towards greater defence cooperation between the two countries is but the latest development in the current reshaping of regional relationships.

The Themistocles design would weigh approximately 800 tonnes – a modest addition to Greece’s capabilities, particularly compared to Turkey’s naval developments. However, it would be of value in patrolling Greece’s near waters and, as an essentially off-the-shelf design, could be produced quite quickly. While not making a major difference in Greece’s maritime capabilities, the acquisition of such corvettes − adapted to the specific needs of its navy − would nonetheless underscore Greece and Israel’s growing relationship, which already includes an agreement for the former to lease two uninhabited aerial vehicles from the latter. Even so, overall, the Greek navy still faces a significant challenge in making up for what have essentially been lost years of modernisation.

 :arrow: https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2020/08/greece-navy-mediterranean


Elli -   39 anos   - 9 Fragatas
Hydra - 28 anos -    4 Fragatas
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 26, 2020, 12:22:45 pm
Desfile Naval 1994

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 30, 2020, 10:12:16 am
Realmente não se justifica armar os NPOs, quando a tática do ABALROAMENTO se revela muito mais eficaz  :mrgreen:

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27 OCTOBER 2020

Two injured as Greek minesweeper collides with container ship near Piraeus
by John Pagni

A collision between a Hellenic Navy minesweeper and a Portuguese-flagged container ship outside the Port of Piraeus on 27 October resulted in two of the warship’s complement being hospitalised and the badly damaged vessel evacuated of all 27 crew before being towed back to base.

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The Greek Navy’s minesweeper HS Kallisto being towed back to the naval base after colliding with the Portuguese-flagged cargo ship Maersk Launceston outside the Port of Piraeus in Athens on 27 October. (Sotiris Dimitropoulos/Eurokinissi/AFP via Getty Images)

The accident between the Hunt-class minesweeper HS Kallisto (M 63) and MV Maersk Launceston occurred at approximately 0710 h local time with the cause yet to be determined. Imagery posted online shows the Greek ship severely damaged at the stern, which is partly submerged. No damage or injuries were reported aboard the cargo ship.

Kallisto – an ex-UK Royal Navy Hunt-class minesweeper built in the 1980s – is one of four mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) operated by the Hellenic Navy. It has an overall length of 60 m, a full load displacement of 685 tonnes, and a top speed of 13 kt.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/two-injured-as-greek-minesweeper-collides-with-container-ship-near-piraeus
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Outubro 30, 2020, 03:11:36 pm
Mais um registo manhoso da Madeira.

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/MAERSK-LAUNCESTON-IMO-9294408-MMSI-255805664

Mas também não era este bicho que tinha de se desviar...
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: NVF em Novembro 02, 2020, 03:08:04 am
Secretamente, o Santos Silva está do lado dos turcos.  :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 02, 2020, 10:08:45 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1323183977490993152

With 4 new MH-60R and 3 UPG S-70B helos, 36 modern SeaHake Mod4 and 18 UPG SUT Mod4 torpedoes, 4 new frigates, ΜLU of 4 MEKO 200 frigates, intermediate solution units and 4 P-3 MPA , the #HellenicNavy will experience one of the most extensive transformations in its long history!
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 18, 2020, 08:22:26 am
Damen oferece novo projeto de fragata

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1339500452514312193
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: typhonman em Janeiro 01, 2021, 07:08:10 pm
Entretanto, em países decentes.


https://www.meta-defense.fr/pt/2020/12/17/grupo-naval-e-belharra-est%C3%A3o-de-volta-na-corrida-na-gr%C3%A9cia/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: tenente em Fevereiro 10, 2021, 12:48:43 pm
Greece may purchase Belharra frigates from France

According to information published by Greek City Times on February 2, 2021, the next generation mi-size frigate (FTI) Belharra will eventually be the new Navy frigates, according to well-informed sources to greek medias.

The French offer is considered the most appropriate as it meets the operational criteria of the Navy, provides an intermediate solution until the construction of the new frigates and at the same time breaths new life into Greek shipyards.

The strategic relationship that Athens and Paris have been building steadily over the past year has played a decisive role in the selection of the Belharra.

The acquisition of the French frigates is the largest armaments program ever implemented by the Armed Forces. Its total cost amounts to €5 billion.

It includes the construction of four multi-role frigates together with their equipment, the modernization of older frigates, and their technical support.

The Belharra frigates will be able to conduct a wide range of missions such as anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, anti-aircraft warfare, patrol, maritime security, control of exclusive economic zone (EEZ), asymmetric warfare, and Special Forces activities.

She will have a length of 122 m, a beam of 17.7 m, and a displacement of 4,460 tons. The ship will have a crew of 110 people as well as an air crew detachment of approximately 15 people. She will also have a flight deck and one hangar to accommodate one unmanned VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing) aircraft or one NH-90 naval helicopter.

The Belharra frigates can be armed with one Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapid gun (mounted in stealth cupola), two 20 mm remotely operated automatic cannons, 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3 anti-ship, two Sylver A50 8-cell VLS (Vertical Launching System) for MBDA Aster 15/30 surface-to-air missiles and two dual torpedo tubes with EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes.

She will be powered by a combined diesel and diesel (CODAD) propulsion system. She will have the capability to reach a top speed of 27 knots (50.0 km/h) with a maximum cruising range of 5,000 nmi (9,300 km) at 15 knots (27.8 km/h).

https://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/forum/sea-warfare/40-warship-design

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: HSMW em Março 14, 2021, 05:53:49 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwdMruxWgAkNDSf?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1371148930000547846/photo/1
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: typhonman em Março 23, 2021, 10:28:52 pm
 :arrow: https://www.dailysabah.com/business/defense/greek-navy-to-acquire-us-multi-mission-surface-combatant-warships
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Cabeça de Martelo em Março 24, 2021, 05:12:25 pm
:arrow: https://www.dailysabah.com/business/defense/greek-navy-to-acquire-us-multi-mission-surface-combatant-warships

 :o 

Só podem estar a brincar!
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 25, 2021, 10:09:19 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikiAV8BHarrier/status/1375011467834093571
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 25, 2021, 01:57:12 pm
France offers Greece anti-aircraft and anti-submarine frigates free of charge in new deal


France has offered to give the Greek navy two first-class frigates, the “Jean Bart” (anti-aircraft warfare) and the “Latouche-Tréville” (anti-submarine warfare) free of charge, La Tribune reported.

The French Navy will hand over these two vessels if Athens chooses France through its international call for tenders to build new frigates for the Greek Navy.


https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/03/23/france-offers-greece-frigates/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 27, 2021, 08:36:31 pm
France offers Greece anti-aircraft and anti-submarine frigates free of charge in new deal


France has offered to give the Greek navy two first-class frigates, the “Jean Bart” (anti-aircraft warfare) and the “Latouche-Tréville” (anti-submarine warfare) free of charge, La Tribune reported.

The French Navy will hand over these two vessels if Athens chooses France through its international call for tenders to build new frigates for the Greek Navy.


https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/03/23/france-offers-greece-frigates/


Comentário a esta oferta, vale o que vale

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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 30, 2021, 07:27:19 am
Proposta inglesa

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/here-is-babcocks-frigate-proposal-for-the-hellenic-navy/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Março 30, 2021, 08:56:38 am
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Março 30, 2021, 12:03:27 pm
Proposta inglesa

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/here-is-babcocks-frigate-proposal-for-the-hellenic-navy/

Vou colocar esta notícia no tópico da substituição das VdG.  :G-beer2:
Curioso agora para ver as propostas dos restantes fabricantes, e custos associados.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Abril 03, 2021, 04:13:59 pm
https://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/naval/damen-detalha-proposta-de-fragatas-sigma-11515-para-a-marinha-da-grecia (https://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/naval/damen-detalha-proposta-de-fragatas-sigma-11515-para-a-marinha-da-grecia)
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: LM em Abril 03, 2021, 05:42:07 pm
Entre o projecto Sigma 11515 e as AWSF há muito ou pouco em comum...? As AWSF não podiam ser uma possibilidade para a Grécia, em vez de um outro projecto?
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Abril 03, 2021, 09:24:26 pm
Pode ter a ver com os prazos, ou com os custos (as 11515 espera-se que custem abaixo dos 600 milhões por navio, em contraste a versão holandesa das AWSF custará quase o dobro).

Mas também para dizer a verdade, as propostas têm oscilado por todo o espectro. Claramente não existe um critério definido, nem para coisas básicas como o deslocamento ou dimensões. Lado positivo, é uma autêntica montra para nós tugas, que devíamos substituir as nossas Meko para breve. Agora é aguardar pelas propostas da Navantia e da Ficantieri.
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Enviado por: P44 em Abril 21, 2021, 09:05:48 am
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The FDI (Frégate de Défense et d'Intervention) in "Hellenic Navy" configuration. It features 32 VLS for ASTER surface to air missiles and a RAM launcher as CIWS. Combined with its SeaFire radar, the FDI HN is a heavily armed surface combatant. Naval Group image.

In Details: Naval Group’s Frigate Proposal To Greece

French shipbuilder Naval Group is proposing its new FDI for the Hellenic Navy frigate requirement. Four frigates in a special "Hellenic Navy" configuration are part of a wider package offer by the shipbuilder, who partnered with MBDA and Thales...
Xavier Vavasseur 21 Apr 2021

To fully answer the Hellenic Navy needs, the "FDI HN" comes with 32 VLS for ASTER surface to air missiles and a RAM launcher.

It recently surfaced that the Hellenic Navy need was not limited to new-built frigates. Their need is so urgent that they require a “stop-gap” solution (consisting in the procurement of second-hand vessels or a lease of existing vessels) as well as an upgrade to the in-service Hydra-class frigates.

We previously reported on the proposals from several competitors (details and links at the end of this article). This time around, we contacted Naval Group to learn more about the French proposal to Greece. Laurent Mourre, Vice President of Sales for Europe at Naval Group answered our questions.

Naval News – Can you please detail Naval Group’s offer in terms of new ships ?

Laurent Moure – The French offer is a comprehensive and robust package designed to ensure Greece has the best capabilities in the shortest timeframe with optimised costs.

For the new ships, we offer the FDI HN (Hellenic Navy) which is the most modern new generation frigate.

The 4 units will be delivered in a very tight timeframe. The first frigate will be built in Lorient and in service by 2025, and the 3 others built in Greece will follow in 2027, 2028and 2029.

Naval Group has a long track record of successful transfers of technology across the world. The frigates will be co-produced in Greece, with significant involvement of the French team. Construction of the 1st frigate in France will ensure delivery to the Hellenic Navy in the shortest timeframe and secure the transfer of technology to allow construction of the other 3 frigates in Greece. The transfer of technology will ensure long-term autonomy for HN and significant economic benefits for the Hellenic naval and defence industries and for the supply chain in Greece.

Naval News – What is Naval Group proposing for the interim (gap filler) solution ? Which former French Navy ships are being proposed ?

Laurent Moure – The French Navy is proposing a strong gap filler solution with 2 frigates available in less than a year and at no cost.

AAW frigate Jean-Bart and ASW frigate Latouche-Tréville are currently in service in the French Navy and have prestigious operational records. They will be available for the Hellenic Navy in early 2022 after extensive maintenance and regeneration works.

The main mission of AAW frigate Jean-Bart is to carry out area anti-aircraft warfare, for the benefit of a naval air force with warships, including an aircraft carrier and possibly commercial ships.

The main missions of ASW Frigate Latouche-Tréville are Anti-submarine warfare on high seas and protection of high value units.

They have been engaged in national operations, but also for joint operations and exercise with NATO and EU forces demonstrating the capabilities and interoperability. They will be in service within the Hellenic Navy in 2022, ensuring a smooth transition with the FDI HN.

Naval News – What about the Hydra-class upgrade ?

Laurent Moure – The systems on-board the MEKO 200HN frigates will be fully interoperable will all NATO and EU fleets, including the FDI HN who like all Naval Group frigates are capable of assuming all multimission roles within any kind of allied NATO fleet and obviously within the HN fleet.

Naval News – Can you shed light on the Hellenic Navy configuration of the FDI ?

Laurent Moure – The FDI is a multi-mission frigate designed to serve as the backbone of a first rank and operational navy. She is the most modern frigate of her category and responds to all HN operational needs. Ordered by the French Navy, FDI will have the same missions than the FREMM frigate inside Aircraft Carrier Group.

She has been designed to deal with the latest threats, and her physical and digital infrastructures guarantee an evolutionary potential that will ensure that the Hellenic Navy will be able to deal with emerging and future threats over the life of the ship (UAVs, Cyber, anti-ship ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, stealth threats underwater or above water, etc.).

The FDI HN will be a power and sovereignty asset for Greece. The final configuration will be the decision of the Greek authorities, but she will offer unrivalled capabilities for the permanent control of air and sea space and autonomy of action, in support of the political and military objectives set. Like all Naval Group frigates, the FDI HN will be fully interoperable with NATO and EU fleets. She will be capable of assuming all mission roles within any kind of allied fleet and within the HN fleet.

The FDI HN is a compendium of the best technologies from the European defence industries Thales, MBDA and Naval Group. The 32 Aster missiles onboard can be engaged very quickly in all directions and ensure an unmatched hit-to-kill capability, making it possible to defeat saturating attacks. RAM, as CIWS capability, will be integrated into the FDI HN Combat System to provide 360 degrees short range protection against incoming missiles in addition to the 76 mm gun, completing the long-range protection provided by ASTER missiles

This makes the FDI HN the only frigate offered to the Hellenic Navy capable of protecting efficiently shore facilities, cities and Greek islands.

Naval News – Have you visited shipyards in Greece? Have you identified local partners already?

Laurent Moure – It is in Naval Group’s culture to select credible and reliable local partners when entering a country. The group has a long history of conducting transfers of technology and know-how in major complex industrial programs all over the world.

Greek shipyards and the Greek naval industry have demonstrated their capacities in the past.  The French team has designed a very ambitious industrial cooperation plan that will contribute to the revitalization of a profitable naval industry while significantly increasing Greece’s autonomy and sovereignty. It will reinforce the international recognition of the excellence of the Greek naval industry while providing the best high-end “Made in Greece” warships to defend the country’s citizens and interests.

We have visited the shipyards and met with many industry partners. More than Ten Greek companies have already been pre-qualified and lots of others are in the process of being pre-qualified. We have also signed partnerships with three universities.

To further our survey of potential Greek partners, a Naval Group Task Force will be based in Athens for the next 2 months.

Naval News – Is the French government supporting your bid ? Do you have French or European partners for this bid ?

Laurent Moure – Yes, this bid is a Team France effort between Naval Group, Thales and MBDA and is fully supported by French authorities.

Laurent Mourre wanted to add the following:

Beyond reinforcing the strong ties between France and Greece, the French offer addresses all the current and future needs of the Hellenic Navy. It ensures the Hellenic Navy will operate the best frigates in the shortest timeframe with a Gap filler solution available in less than a year and the first new frigate as soon as 2025. It also ensures the success of the “Made in Greece” frigates as Naval Group is the only bidder with such a track-record of successful transfer of technologies. The French offer also goes beyond the frigate program with an extensive cooperation plan to revitalise the Hellenic naval industry, ensuring several hundreds of highly qualified jobs and generating long-term economic spin-offs in Greece for decades to come.

For the record, France and Greece were involved in exclusive negotiations for a while, for two FDI type frigates. However, despite the signing of an LOI in October 2019, Greece decided to keep its options open and is now considering several designs. The designs being considered today, in addition to Naval Group’s FDI, are:

Lockheed Martin with the MMSC
Navantia with the F110
Damen Sigma 11515
Babcock with the Type 31/Arrowhead
TKMS with the MEKO A200NG (or MEKO A300)
Fincantieri (allegedly with the FREMM)
The procurement process doesn’t seem to be a “classic open tender” but rather government to government (G to G) discussions with each party.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/in-details-naval-groups-frigate-proposal-to-greece/
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Enviado por: HSMW em Maio 04, 2021, 06:23:40 pm
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What are the differences between the Hydra class from previous MEKO 200 class surface combatants?
What are the differences between the MEKO 200HN class of the Hellenic Navy and the MEKO 200 ANZ class of the Royal Australian and Royal New Zealand Navy?
What are the capabilities of the main weapon systems and radars of these frigates?
What major events have made the ANZAC class a symbol?
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: redkukulkane em Maio 04, 2021, 08:22:05 pm
As principais caracteristicas em infograficos dos concorrentes, a proximas fragatas gregas. 8)


https://www.navalanalyses.com/2021/04/infographics-48-characteristics-of.html
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Enviado por: P44 em Junho 02, 2021, 03:41:29 pm
Oferta del astillero español Navantia para la Armada Helénica

Por Juan Carlos Benavidez -31 mayo, 2021

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Según un comunicado de prensa publicado por Navantia el 31 de mayo de 2021, la compañía se ha comprometido a la entrega de 4 nuevas fragatas para la flota de la Armada Helénica y a la modernización de la Clase Hydra dentro del exigente calendario de la Armada Helénica.

Las nuevas fragatas incluyen su último diseño de fragata inteligente, la F-110, que se convertirá en la columna vertebral de la Armada española.

La clase F110, también conocida como clase Bonifaz, es una clase polivalente y antisubmarina de fragatas pesadas equipadas con el sistema de combate Aegis que se está desarrollando para la Armada española. El proyecto está siendo desarrollado conjuntamente por el Ministerio de Defensa español y la empresa estatal Navantia. La construcción de las fragatas comenzará en 2020 y su entrega está prevista entre 2023 y 2027.


Los buques tienen una capacidad de 6.100 toneladas y contarán con una tripulación de 150 personas. Las fragatas estarán equipadas con un sistema de combate español, SCOMBA, desarrollado por Navantia. Este sistema actúa como el cerebro del buque e integra todos los sensores y armas de la fragata, como los sensores de superficie, EW e IFF suministrados por Indra, el radar Band S y el lanzador vertical de Lockheed Martin, el AAW – SM-2 de Raytheon, los sistemas de guerra antisubmarina y los sonares SAES, pero también los sistemas de navegación y comunicaciones de Navantia Sistemas.

La clase Hydra es un grupo de cuatro fragatas en servicio en la Armada Helénica. Fueron diseñadas en Alemania y forman parte del grupo de buques de guerra modulares MEKO, en este caso, el diseño MEKO 200.

Para reforzar sus lazos con la industria griega, Navantia lanza el 9 de junio un portal web del Día de la Industria para relacionarse con el ecosistema industrial y de construcción naval griego, incorporando a empresas locales de todo tipo y tamaño.


https://www.zona-militar.com/2021/05/31/oferta-del-astillero-espanol-navantia-para-la-armada-helenica/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 04, 2021, 08:43:15 am
Proposta holandesa

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1400384735529033728
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Junho 04, 2021, 01:38:31 pm
Mais uma proposta interessante, é reencaminhar para o tópico das VdG também.  :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 07, 2021, 09:35:46 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1401803722238353411
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Subsea7 em Junho 08, 2021, 11:00:29 pm
No que toca a este tópico, sigo com interesse a disputa, no entanto, soube hoje que os Espanhóis foram eliminados, por questões políticas (apoio a Turquia).
Vai estar entre os Franceses e Holandeses.
Cps,

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Junho 09, 2021, 08:33:12 am
No que toca a este tópico, sigo com interesse a disputa, no entanto, soube hoje que os Espanhóis foram eliminados, por questões políticas (apoio a Turquia).
Vai estar entre os Franceses e Holandeses.
Cps,

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Greece Short-Lists At Least 6 Offers For Hellenic Navy Frigate Program

On June 5, a meeting chaired by Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis on the procedures for evaluating proposals for the acquisition of new frigates revealed that the Spanish shipbuilder Navantia and its offer had not been selected.

Martin Manaranche 09 Jun 2021

Spain's F110 Frigate is not among them...

According to the Greek Ministry of Defense, during the meeting, a proposal to further examine the evaluation capabilities for the acquisition of frigates from the following countries was accepted: France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Through this declaration, it is possible to notice that Spain is absent from the selected offers. No announcements were made to explain the refusal of Navantia’s bid.

As Naval News reported previously, the Hellenic Navy requested a procurement of four new frigates, but the need was not limited to new-built frigates. Their need is so urgent that they require a “stop-gap” solution (consisting in the procurement of second-hand vessels or a lease of existing vessels) as well as an upgrade to the in-service Hydra-class frigates.

The Navantia proposal consisted of:

Four new F110 frigates,
An interim solution consisting of delivering two new Alfa 3000 light frigates in only 35 months,
the modernization of the Greek Navy’s Hydra class frigates.
Unlike some of its competitors, Navantia’s stop gap solution did not consist of second-hand ships but of new ships. The Spanish shipbuilder’s proposal was to provide two brand new 3,000-tonne light frigates with anti-aircraft, anti-ship and anti-submarine capabilities.

It is understood that the designs still being considered today, are:

Lockheed Martin with the MMSC
Naval Group with the FDI/Belharra
Damen Sigma 11515
Babcock with the Type 31/Arrowhead
TKMS with the MEKO A200NG (or MEKO A300)
Fincantieri (allegedly with the FREMM)
There may be an additional American offer under consideration: A “mini Burke” design being pitched by local naval architect Gibbs & Cox.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/06/greece-short-lists-at-least-6-offers-for-hellenic-navy-frigate-program/
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Enviado por: tenente em Julho 11, 2021, 07:34:59 pm
A Close Look At 3 Frigates On The New Shortlist For The Hellenic Navy

A shortlist was recently leaked for the future frigate of the Hellenic Navy. Naval News reviews in detail the three frigates at the top of this list.

In a previous article we reported about the alleged shortlist for the Hellenic Navy’s frigate competition. With the DEFEA defense exhibition in sight, we are now taking a close look at the ships in the so called “1st category” of this shortlist.


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One of the proposed designs for the Sigma 11515 HN, seen here with the more advanced integrated mast and APAR radars

It is not surprising to see Damen and their proposal at the top of this list. Indeed, it is a very cost effective choice with its powerful equipment at a relatively low price, complemented by additional options to further increase the ships’ capabilities if required, their Sigma 11515 HN frigate proposal is more than fitting for the Hellenic Navy.

The standard version proposed offers a 4,440 tons ship, equipped with CODLOG (Combined Diesel-Electric Or Gas) propulsion, allowing it to reach up to 30 knots and still be able to conduct ASW operations with the quieter electric motors.

The Sigma 11515 HN is equipped to face a wide range of threats, and as such is fitted with an array of advanced sensors and armament to effectively detect and destroy potential targets, all while ensuring the protection of the ship.

As such, this frigate is capable of protecting itself and other assets with its comprehensive surface-to-air defensive equipment. Proposed with 16 Mk 41 VLS cells, it will be able to fit up to 32 ESSMs SAMs or a mix of ESSMs and SM-2s for longer range defense. With a Mk 49 CIWS for an additional 21 RAM surface-to-air missiles, this ship can defend both from long range threats and saturation attacks.

Morevover, the Sigma 11515 HN is well equipped for ASW missions. Indeed, it is fitted with advanced sensors, Kingklip Mk.2 hull mounted sonar and CAPTAS variable depth sonar (VDS), both from Thales, as well as effectors with a pair of triple torpedo tubes.

For surface targets, the Sigma 11515 HN is fitted with the classic configuration of eight SSMs, here AGM-84 Harpoons. Naval artillery is not lacking either, with a 76mn/62cal Super Rapido main gun from Leonardo and three 20mn Narwhal remote weapon stations (RWS) from Nexter.

The protection of the ship is assured both from the numerous decoys launchers, for a total of 36, to defend from any threats, as well as its extensive electronic warfare equipment. It is composed of electronic support measures, communication support system, jammers, communication interception capabilities and laser warning receivers.

While this standard configuration is offered at the very competitive price of approximately 550 millions euros per unit, Damen offers different options to further the ship’s capabilities.

For instance, the main gun can receive the STRALES upgrade which brings improved capabilities in anti air warfare (including against incoming missiles). The RWS can be replaced by 30mn ones, the number of the VLS cells can be doubled to 32 and the NS110 radar can be switched for the more powerful NS200 or Sea Master 400 also from Thales.
The latest configuration of the Sigma 11515 which came out in early June.

The most notable option is the version aimed at increasing AAW missions is offered for 600 millions euros with the standard equipment plus STRALES and the NS200 radar.

Like any other proposed ship here, this is not a perfect ship. However, while it can be critiqued on some aspects, most of the attacks against Damen’s frigate have been pushing the idea of a paper design, not mature enough to be selected by the Hellenic Navy.

These critiques are unfounded. First of all, the same could be argued about the other proposals, and would still be incorrect. The FDI-HN for instance, while originating from a design selected by the French Navy is technically also a paper design with the first ship delivered to the Marine Nationale only in 2023.

More importantly, major elements of the Sigma 11515 HN already are built, tested and operational. The complex diesel-electric engines for the CODLOG propulsion of the ship are already in place on the Holland class offshore patrol vessels of the Royal Netherlands Navy, built by Damen. Similarly, the SM400 radar proposed in some of the more advanced options for the ship is also fitted on the Holland class. This shipbuilder has vast experiences with this type of hulls, the 11515 HN being a variant of the Sigma family with the 9113 and the 10514. The armament itself is also fairly generic and proven, composed of Mk.41 VLS cells and a 76mn main gun from Leonardo, a common combination. As such, claims of immature or paper design do little sense.

As seen above, Damen proposed with this Sigma 11515 HN a cost efficient package, able to successfully meet the requirements of the Hellenic Navy and potentially exceed them with the different upgrades proposed in parallel with the standard version.

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Artist impression of the proposed FDI-HN from Naval Group (seen here with a STRALES main gun). Naval Group image.

This new announcement of the FDI-HN being selected in the first category is particularly good news for Naval Group considering the difficulties they encountered with this Greek contract and the efforts they made to improve their proposal each time.

Indeed, Naval Group was aiming for a Greek purchase of the FDI since 2018 with the initial negotiations between them and Lockheed Martins. Eventually these exclusive talks were stopped in favor of a contract opened to a wider range of competitors.

Still, Naval Group carried on and adapted to the new situation. The requirement of the Hellenic Navy required an improved proposal to add the necessary equipment while still fitting within the tight budget. These changes led to the current proposal with the FDI-HN frigate.

The selected design is a frigate of around 4,500 tons of displacement, 122 meters in lengths with a 17 meters beam. The propulsion would remain in the CODAD (Combined Diesel And Diesel) configuration found on the French version of the frigate, with a maximum speed of 27 knots.

The main improvement from the original French design concerns saturation attacks. Since it is equipped with the excellent Sea Fire radar from Thales and the Aster-30 surface to air missile, the FDI is more than capable to serve as an area-denial frigate. However, with only 16 missiles in the initial proposal, one per Sylver A50 VLS cell, its resistance against saturation attacks appeared to be limited.

To remedy this issue, the newest design incorporates 32 Sylver A50 VLS cells for a mix of Aster-15/30 and VL-Mica NG (which, unlike ESSM, can not be quad-packed). This puts the total missile output of the cells to 32, double that of the original proposal. Moreover, this new frigate is also equipped with the Mk 49 CIWS with its 21 RAM missiles for close defense. This new package ensures the ship’s protection even against the most potent attacks.

As usual with French frigates, the ship proposed by Naval Group is well equipped for ASW missions. With a Kingklip Mk.2 hull mounted sonar and a CAPTAS 4C variable depth sonar, both from Thales, this frigate is equipped with some of the most advanced sensors available today for submarine hunting missions. MU90 lightweight torpedoes in twin tubes on each side of the hull are set to ensure the destruction of the detected threats.

Armed with eight SSMs in the form of MM40 Exocet Block IIIc (the latest variant of the missiles, with the new coherent seeker), a Leonardo Super Rapido 76mn/62cal main gun (or STRALES as an option) and two 20mm Narwhal RWS, the compact hull packs a rather powerful punch.

There still are issues with the French proposal, most of them originating from the initial French Navy requirements for their version of the FDI, shaping research and development.

Indeed, with all its qualities the ship still lacks any form of ECM, a significant flaw for a 21st century front line warship, set to operate in contested waters. In addition, while the ship is equipped for the naval version of the SCALP cruise missile, and is proposed with it, there are still concerns on whether or not the its integration price will be included in the final proposal.

Thus, we still have to wait to see what the final result will be but it is certain that Naval Group have now a solid proposal for the Hellenic Navy and have shown their determination and adaptation skills in this competition.

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The Carlo Bergamini from the Italian Navy, a FREMM in General Purpose (GP) variant

Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri is the third company that made on this shortlist for the future frigate of the Hellenic Navy. This comes as quite a surprise since Fincantieri remained quite secretive on their offer as far as to what ship they would actually offer to Greece.

Rumours went all over the place, with some contradictory elements being mentioned from reputable sources. The main question was whether the FREMM-IT would be proposed or if it would be another ship such as a design derived from the Doha class air defence corvette.

However, with the recent successes of the FREMM design, the basic design of which was adopted for the US Navy’s Constellation class frigate, the two ships sold to Egypt in 2020 or the recent contract for the Indonesian Navy, it is quite likely that Fincantieri will try to capitalize on these achievements to promote the design to the Hellenic Navy, and as such it will be the ship we will study here.

The FREMM is a ship originating from a Franco-Italian agreement to build a common class of frigates. In the end two different designs emerged with two subclasses within the Italian FREMM, the general purpose (GP) and anti submarine warfare (ASW) versions. Initial rumors concerned the GP, general purpose, version for the Hellenic Navy.

This is a quite heavy frigate, displacing 6,700 tons for 144 meters and a nearly 20 meters beam. The Italian selected a CODLAG, Combined Diesel-Electric And Gas, propulsion configuration to allow for speeds in excess of 30 knots. With its size, this frigate can accommodate two helicopters in its two dedicated hangars, as opposed to only one on the French version.

The FREMM is fitted with an impressive set of sensors allowing it to adequately detect potential threats early on to ensure the protection of the ship and neighboring critical assets. Notable elements here include the excellent Kronos 3D radar from Leonardo, capable of more than 300km range, as well as the long list of complementary radar equipment such as the RAN-30X 2D medium range radar, the IRST SASS, silent acquisition and surveillance system, the 2D LPI, low probability of interception, surveillance radar and even the UMS 4110 CL hull sonar from Thales. This list is not exhaustive, many others equally as vital sensors being installed, but it is not desired to list all of them here, the excellent blog of Dimitri Mitch, Naval Analyses, should help those interested.

For its protection the frigate can count on a capable complement of decoys with the SLCAR-H decoys launchers, as well as the advanced electronic warfare systems present on the vessel. These are the NETTUNO 4100 ECM from Elettronica, found on all versions of the FREMMs and the ALTESSE C-ESM and COMMIT system from Thales.

The FREMM-It is armed with 16 Sylver A50 VLS cells for Aster 15/30 with another 16 behind available for 16 A70 if need be to equip cruise missiles. It is also fitted with eight SSMs, in the form of Teseo Mk.2 from MBDA, which can be changed for the MILAS ASW version if required. To complement this ASW capability, triple torpedo tubes are present on each side for the MU90 lightweight torpedo.

As it is often the case with Italian designs, the naval artillery is more than adequate. Indeed, it is armed with a 127mn/64cal main gun from Leonardo with the VULCANO upgrade, allowing it to reach targets at 100km with precision. A 76mn/62cal cannon is also equiped at the rear with the STRALES upgrade to enhance its capabilities and serve as a CIWS. Finally, two remotely controlled 25mn autocannons on each side complete this impressive display of firepower.

As seen here, the FREMM-IT from Fincantieri is a more than capable design. However, this also reflects in its price with it being the most expensive option on this list, at around 700 millions euros per unit. It must still be said that in the end, with crew training, maintenance and all other often overlooked factors, the original price difference might actually not differ significantly from each proposal, depending on how they are compared.

If this is the ship that ends up being proposed by Fincantieri, the Hellenic Navy will potentially have a very powerful new navy in its hands, if they can afford it. While initial rumors mentioned a FREMM in GP configuration, new ones tend to point towards an export variant of the “American FREMM” (i.e. Constellation class frigate) or a FREMM GP with US-made weapons and sensors. Naval News will make sure to shed light on this next week directly with the Italian shipbuilder, during DEFEA.

Conclusion

As seen here all of the shortlisted proposals for the Hellenic Navy would deliver a perfectly capable frigate, some more armed, some more expensive. And don’t forget the proposals in the so called “2nd” and “3rd” categories too, which may still win the tender. In the end we have to keep in mind that this is a non-exhaustive overview of an incredibly complex selection process, and that these ships are not in a vacuum, they are a part of a larger proposal and that other geopolitical factors will inevitably play in the final decision. Moreover, and as we have seen throughout this competition, things can change, these proposals are not set in stone and could evolve to better adapt to the situation. We only have to wait and see what the final result will be, and probably the best place to follow these events directly from Greece would be the excellent Naval Defense website.

https://www.thefifthcolumn.xyz/forum/sea-warfare/224-nato-naval/page2

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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 14, 2021, 08:59:00 am
DEFEA 2021 Video: Hellenic Navy’s Future Frigate

Day 1 for Naval News at DEFEA 2021, the International Defense Exhibition held in Athens, Greece. We focused on the future frigate requirement of the Hellenic Navy and interviewed five of the six contenders.

Xavier Vavasseur  14 Jul 2021

The Hellenic Navy is seeking next generation frigates as well as a so-called “stop-gap” (interim) solution (consisting in the procurement of second-hand vessels or a lease of existing vessels). They also want to upgrade to the in-service Hydra-class frigates.

Here is the shipbuilders and designs we covered:

Fincantieri FREMM
Damen Sigma 11515
Naval Group FDI
Lockheed Martin HF2
Babcock Arrowhead 140


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/07/defea-2021-video-hellenic-navys-future-frigate/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Julho 23, 2021, 02:01:04 pm
DEFEA 2021: Israel Shipyards Introduce The Themistocles-Class Corvette
Israel shipyards introduced the Themistocles-class corvette at DEFEA – Defence Exhibition in Athens – last week. The company believes it is the right design to answer an upcoming Hellenic Navy corvette requirement.

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/defea-2021/2021/07/defea-2021-israel-shipyards-introduce-the-themistocles-class-corvette/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: MATRA em Julho 23, 2021, 02:58:15 pm
Se for a seguir as tendências actuais a Fincantieri leva o caneco com a FREMM, ao mesmo tempo deixam os "amigos" franceses não tão tristes e levam a menina bonita da região do mediterrâneo para casa.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 06, 2021, 08:19:52 am
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The MEKO 200 is a frigate (FFG) design by the German shipyard Blohm+Voss as part of the MEKO family of warships. A total 25 MEKO 200 frigates of seven (7) different configurations were built for Australia (8 ships), New Zealand (2 ships), Turkey (8 ships), Portugal (3 ships) and Greece (4 ships). The Australian and New Zealand frigates have received (or are about to complete) a MLU while Turkey is about to start the MLU of its four newest frigates. Portuguese frigates will receive a limited modernization that will necessitate repurposing the frigates for low-intensity missions only while Greece is currently planning to upgrade its four 3,400-ton Hydra-class (MEKO 200HN) frigates commissioned during the 1990s (1992 first ship, 1998 final ship), as part of an ambitious program that amounts to 5 billion euros.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/hellenic-navys-hydra-class-frigates-mlu-limited-budget-but-many-possibilities/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 24, 2021, 11:56:40 am
Lockheed refines bid to modernize the Greek frigate fleet. Here’s what it’s offering.
By Megan Eckstein
 Thursday, Sep 16


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An artist's rendering of Lockheed Martin's Hellenic Future Frigate design for Greece. (Lockheed Martin)

WASHINGTON — American defense company Lockheed Martin is continuing to update its bid to build the Hellenic Navy’s new frigates and modernize its current ones, with Greece set to choose a path forward for its surface fleet by the end of the year.

Greece has asked for a three-part solution to modernize its surface fleet amid increases in Russian submarine presence in the Mediterranean Sea, migration from Africa across the sea and tension with neighboring Turkey. The Hellenic Navy wants to buy four new frigates, modernize the combat capability of its four current Hydra-class MEKO 200 frigates and receive some kind of interim capability to operate while the MEKOs undergo their upgrade process.

Lockheed Martin — alongside the U.S. Navy, with which the firm is paired for the official United States bid in the competition — thinks it has a winning solution due to the way its Aegis Combat System would link these frigates with the rest of the Hellenic fleet across a network, and due to the company’s promise to send the bulk of construction work to Greek companies.

Additionally, “one of the big benefits of the U.S. offer, as compared to all the other offers, is that this is being done through the U.S. government Foreign Military Sales process. Greece has transacted somewhere near 2,000 Foreign Military Sales cases with the U.S. It’s a very well-established process, it’s a very transparent process,” Jon Rambeau, Lockheed’s vice president and general manager for the Integrated Warfare Systems and Sensors business line, told Defense News in a Sept. 10 phone interview.

Five other bids from European shipbuilders appear to be still in contention, but he said Lockheed’s proposal is the only one that is part of an official Foreign Military Sales program, and that therefore comes with all the cost and schedule guarantees the U.S. Navy would expect if it were spending its own money.

In June, Naval News reported that Greece named the six bids on its short list: the Netherland’s Damen (SIGMA 11515 HN); France’s Naval Group (FDI-HN); Italy’s Fincantieri (FREMM); the United Kingdom’s Babcock (Arrowhead 140); Germany’s Blohm+Voss (MEKO A-200); and the United States’ Lockheed Martin.

Rambeau said those bids were given an initial ranking by Greek officials, but that order was not shared with industry.

Rambeau also said that if the American pitch wins, the U.S. Navy would act as “the custodian of Greece’s money” and “will contract with Lockheed Martin, and they will negotiate with us just as hard as if they were procuring this for the U.S. government. And at the end of the day, if there’s money left over in that case, by law the United States will have to return that money back to Greece.”

He’s hoping Greece’s familiarity with the FMS process and with Lockheed Martin, with which the Greek military has worked for more than 50 years, will give the bid an extra boost this fall. Bids are due in November, with a decision expected by the end of the year.

What is Lockheed offering?
Joe DePietro, Lockheed Martin’s vice president and general manager for naval combat and missile defense systems, told Defense News in a June interview that Greece’s requirements are based on a need for improved anti-submarine warfare and expanded-area air defense capabilities.

The new construction portion of the U.S. pitch is based on Lockheed’s Freedom-variant littoral combat ship for the U.S. Navy. The LCS was also used as the starting point for the Saudi multimission small combatant currently under construction.

This new frigate, dubbed Hellenic Future Frigate, would be centered around the COMBATSS-21 version of the Aegis Combat System and would be armed with eight Naval Strike Missiles, a 76mm Strales gun, 11 Mk 41 Vertical Launching System tubes and 21 RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles. The ship would include Link 16, Link 22 and Tactical Common Data Link connectivity, enabling it to connect across a network to the rest of the Hellenic military, DePietro told Defense News.

The ship would also come ready to accept the Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range, which features two-way communication between the ship and the missile for better targeting and in-flight updates.

The ship would also be optimized for anti-submarine warfare with many of the systems that are included in the LCS anti-sub warfare mission package, DePietro explained. The SQQ-89 combat suite would help the frigate make sense of the whole operating area by combining information from the frigate’s variable-depth sonar — from dipping sonars employed by MH-60R helicopters and from hull-mounted sonars on other ships in the fleet. That information would inform the firing of anti-submarine rockets either from the frigate or its helicopters.

When it comes to modernizing the MEKO frigates, Lockheed is offering to install an Aegis-based combat system that would integrate these 1990s-era ships with the new frigates, the fleet of MH-60R helicopters, the Hellenic Air Force’s F-16s and more.

DePietro said the MEKO hulls are in decent shape but would need upgrades to their generators and turbines. But the top modernization priorities are to add a common combat system as well as Link 16 and Link 22 compatibility.

Rambeau said the ability to create a link across a network with the rest of Greece’s existing and future aircraft and weapons systems “has been a consistent theme as we think about the upgrades.”

The U.S. Navy would be the one offering the interim solution — likely a few decommissioned ships from the service that could temporarily be given to Greece — until the MEKO upgrades are complete.

A source familiar with the bid but not authorized to talk about the ongoing negotiations between the two countries told Defense News that if the U.S. Navy retires some of its Aegis cruisers or Freedom-class LCSs in fiscal 2022, as it asked Congress to do, then those ships could be the ones sent to Greece for the interim capability.

The Ticonderoga-class cruisers sport the Aegis Combat System that Lockheed is pitching in the new-build and MEKO-upgrade portions of the bid, and the Freedom-variant LCSs would be very similar in design to the new frigates; both are 118 meters in length, with largely the same hull, mechanical and electrical systems and with some of the same combat systems. However, much of the power for anti-submarine warfare capabilities on the LCS comes in an optional mission package, rather than built into the hull.

Industrial base considerations
Lockheed’s Hellenic Future Frigate design is nearly complete, and the company is in varying stages of talks with companies in Greece and throughout Europe to discuss their involvement in construction and in supplying weapons and sensors that Greece requested in its technical specifications.

Last month, Lockheed announced a list of key industry partners on the frigate modernization side of the bid. Companies who have signed formal agreements with Lockheed include Oceanking Technical and Trading, Intracom Defense Electronics, Endeavor Integrated Solutions, Akmon, Metka, Aeroservices, and ALS Naval Ship Designs.


An MH-60S Seahawk helicopter transfers suspected contraband from the Freedom-class LCS Billings to the LCS Sioux City on July 23, 2021. (MC2 Marianne Guemo/U.S. Navy)

Lockheed has been talking to the Skaramangas, Greece, shipyard about working together to build some of the four new frigates there; about what investments would be made to facilities there for this frigate program; and more potential work it could take on.

DePietro said Lockheed previously partnered with shipyards in Spain, Canada, Japan and South Korea, as well as in the U.S. when it paired with Fincantieri’s Marinette Marine Shipyard in Wisconsin for the LCS program. Lockheed helped modernize the foreign yards to build ships to American standards, he added.

The ongoing dialogue with the Skaramangas shipyard “very much reminds me of Marinette circa 2006, and a big part of this program is being able to revitalize and recapitalize Greek shipbuilding and its defense industry, which has kind of fallen off from where they were some 20 years ago in capabilities,” he said.

Rambeau said that an analysis of Lockheed’s proposal shows about a third of the money would be spent in the U.S., a third in Greece and a third elsewhere in Europe. About 70 percent of the labor, though, would take place in Greece to “put money back into the local economy.”

According to a Lockheed document, the frigate program would create 7.7 million hours of labor across a five-year construction timeline for the Greek workforce, with 2,500 skilled jobs at the shipyard alone.

DePietro said a range of options are under discussion with the Greek shipyard regarding which ships the yard would participate in building versus fully constructing. For any ships that are not fully built in Greece, he added, the Fincantieri Marinette Marine yard would be able to take on the work without disrupting the tail end of the LCS production there, the beginning of the U.S. Navy’s Constellation-class frigate construction, or the four-ship Saudi multimission combatant program.

He added that the Hellenic frigate project would benefit the supply chain, where many but not all the companies involved will transition to the Constellation class that Fincantieri will build in Marinette. Fairbanks Morse, for example, provides the LCS engines but is not on the Constellation program. Lake Shore Systems also provides several items for the LCS hull that will not be in the Constellation design.

For companies like them, keeping their production lines hot through their work on the Greek frigate program would benefit the U.S. Navy by allowing it a longer period of time to make decisions on how many spares it wants in the inventory.

Between now and the formal bid submission in November, the U.S. government is seeking congressional approval for the FMS case, and Lockheed is shoring up industry agreements.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dsei/2021/09/16/lockheed-refines-bid-to-modernize-the-greek-frigate-fleet-heres-what-its-offering/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 26, 2021, 02:26:09 pm
Francius?

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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Setembro 26, 2021, 02:38:53 pm
Então já vai ser 3 fragatas e 3 corvetas!? Já não percebo nada....
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 27, 2021, 11:00:31 am
Por enquanto é diz que disse

Mas o D_Mitch é grego e provavelmente sabe coisas...

e daqui:

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FDI frigate (left) and Gowind corvette (right).
FDI Frigates And Gowind Corvettes For Greece ?
Several Greek media reported over the weekend that Greece would be on the verge of selecting a French offer for the Hellenic Navy new frigate requirement. The offer would consist of FDI (Belharra) frigates and Gowind corvettes.
Lorenzo Tual  27 Sep 2021

The offer would be for 3 FDI-HN frigates and 3 Gowind corvettes.

Lorenzo Tual story with additional reporting by Xavier Vavasseur

According to the sources (among them, Militaire, Defence Review and Naval Defence) the offer would be for 3 FDI-HN frigates and 3 Gowind corvettes. Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis would stop in Paris this afternoon, on his way back from the UN general assembly held in New York last week.

Contacted by Naval News this morning, a source with knowledge of the matter explained that the visit of Mr. Mitsotakis is not “last minute” but instead, was a long planned one: The Greek Prime Minister is set to inaugurate a new exposition on Greece at the Louvres Museum this afternoon. That being said, there may be a meeting between Greek and French authorities regarding the frigate deal, on the verge of this official visit, and an announcement (but not an official signature) may be made at the end of this meeting. We also learned that a large delegation (including Naval Group’s CEO) visited Greece last week to further advance the negotiations. Contacted by Naval News, Naval Group refused to comment on the latest rumors.

This new turn of events would come at the most opportune time for Naval Group, still shocked by the sudden cancelation of the so-called “contract of the century”, Australia’s Attack-class submarine program.

This would follow the logic of the shortlist released some months ago, which we covered here, where the French offer was placed in the top category along with the Dutch offer from Damen and the Italian one from Fincantieri. We previously analyzed in detail all three ships in this article

It would end this long running effort from Naval Group to sell the FDI in Greece, following the bilateral talks that soon transformed into a dual competition with Lockeed Martin, only to merge into an international contract featuring all of the world’s greatest shipbuilders.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/new-development-in-greece-french-frigates-for-the-future-hellenic-navy/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Setembro 27, 2021, 02:43:06 pm
Então qual será a solução intermedia que os Gregos pedem!? As Gowind ou umas fragatas francesas de emprestimo?
Eles não queriam uma solução para já? É que construir as corvetas demora no minimo 3 anos.
 :-P
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 27, 2021, 08:15:08 pm
Então qual será a solução intermedia que os Gregos pedem!? As Gowind ou umas fragatas francesas de emprestimo?
Eles não queriam uma solução para já? É que construir as corvetas demora no minimo 3 anos.
 :-P

Não era o Jean Bart e mais outro destroyer como stop Gap?
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Setembro 27, 2021, 08:38:37 pm
Então qual será a solução intermedia que os Gregos pedem!? As Gowind ou umas fragatas francesas de emprestimo?
Eles não queriam uma solução para já? É que construir as corvetas demora no minimo 3 anos.
 :-P

Não era o Jean Bart e mais outro destroyer como stop Gap?


Seria o Jean Bart e mais o Latouche-Tréville!? Esse tambem vai sair do activo em 2022.
Eu pensava que sim, mas estarem a incluir corvetas á ultima da hora.
 :-P
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: typhonman em Setembro 27, 2021, 11:47:35 pm
Por enquanto é diz que disse

Mas o D_Mitch é grego e provavelmente sabe coisas...

e daqui:

(https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/FDI-Frigates-and-Gowind-Corvettes-for-Greece--770x410.jpg.webp)
FDI frigate (left) and Gowind corvette (right).
FDI Frigates And Gowind Corvettes For Greece ?
Several Greek media reported over the weekend that Greece would be on the verge of selecting a French offer for the Hellenic Navy new frigate requirement. The offer would consist of FDI (Belharra) frigates and Gowind corvettes.
Lorenzo Tual  27 Sep 2021

The offer would be for 3 FDI-HN frigates and 3 Gowind corvettes.

Lorenzo Tual story with additional reporting by Xavier Vavasseur

According to the sources (among them, Militaire, Defence Review and Naval Defence) the offer would be for 3 FDI-HN frigates and 3 Gowind corvettes. Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis would stop in Paris this afternoon, on his way back from the UN general assembly held in New York last week.

Contacted by Naval News this morning, a source with knowledge of the matter explained that the visit of Mr. Mitsotakis is not “last minute” but instead, was a long planned one: The Greek Prime Minister is set to inaugurate a new exposition on Greece at the Louvres Museum this afternoon. That being said, there may be a meeting between Greek and French authorities regarding the frigate deal, on the verge of this official visit, and an announcement (but not an official signature) may be made at the end of this meeting. We also learned that a large delegation (including Naval Group’s CEO) visited Greece last week to further advance the negotiations. Contacted by Naval News, Naval Group refused to comment on the latest rumors.

This new turn of events would come at the most opportune time for Naval Group, still shocked by the sudden cancelation of the so-called “contract of the century”, Australia’s Attack-class submarine program.

This would follow the logic of the shortlist released some months ago, which we covered here, where the French offer was placed in the top category along with the Dutch offer from Damen and the Italian one from Fincantieri. We previously analyzed in detail all three ships in this article

It would end this long running effort from Naval Group to sell the FDI in Greece, following the bilateral talks that soon transformed into a dual competition with Lockeed Martin, only to merge into an international contract featuring all of the world’s greatest shipbuilders.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/new-development-in-greece-french-frigates-for-the-future-hellenic-navy/

Quem nos dera a nós, 3 Belh@ra ou 3 FREEM e 3 Gowind 2500 ou 3000, ainda por cima estas ultimas podem ser equipadas com ESSM Block II.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 09:04:30 am
Então qual será a solução intermedia que os Gregos pedem!? As Gowind ou umas fragatas francesas de emprestimo?
Eles não queriam uma solução para já? É que construir as corvetas demora no minimo 3 anos.
 :-P

Não era o Jean Bart e mais outro destroyer como stop Gap?


Seria o Jean Bart e mais o Latouche-Tréville!? Esse tambem vai sair do activo em 2022.
Eu pensava que sim, mas estarem a incluir corvetas á ultima da hora.
 :-P

Acho que não faz parte do acordo incluirem corvetas como "stop gap", sempre se falou dos 2 destroyers, assim como os holandeses propunham as 2 M, os ingleses 2 Type 23
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 09:13:33 am
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These corvettes are offered instead of the modernisation of the MEKO frigates. The modernisation was planned to cost around a Billion euros, while a Gowind 2500 is estimated at around 350 millions euros, for completely new ships. 

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/new-development-in-greece-french-frigates-for-the-future-hellenic-navy/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 09:26:29 am
Ok parece confirmado

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1442753358599700483
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 09:38:43 am
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The leaders of Greece and France are expected to announce a major, multibillion-euro deal in Paris involving the acquisition by Greece of at least six French-built warships, Greek state ERT TV reported.
Greece planned to acquire three French FDI frigates - with the option of later buying a fourth -and another three corvettes, ERT reported on Monday.

Greece has already bought 18 French Rafale fighter jets and plans to purchase another six under a program to modernise its armed forces amid tensions with neighbouring Turkey.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: typhonman em Setembro 28, 2021, 10:42:12 am
Conforme Gowind 2500, a 300 a 350 milhões por unidade, nada mau ....E com capacidades bem superiores as VDG.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 10:51:13 am
Podemos comprar as Meko gregas  :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 02:19:05 pm
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Greece signs a Memorandum of Understanding with Naval Group and MBDA opening negotiations for the supply of three FDI HNs and one optional

FDI
28 SEPTEMBER 2021 GROUP INTERNATIONAL SURFACE SHIPS PRESS RELEASE


 Greece signs a Memorandum of Understanding with Naval Group and MBDA opening negotiations for the supply of three FDI HNs and one optional

On September 28th, Nikólaos Panayotópoulos, the Greek Minister of Defence, Pierre Eric Pommellet, CEO of Naval Group, and Eric Béranger, CEO of MBDA, signed a Memorandum of Understanding to open negotiations to provide the Hellenic Navy (HN) with three Defence and Intervention frigates (FDI HN) and their equipment as well as an optional additional frigate.

The FDI HN frigates will be built in the Naval Group shipyard in Lorient, where the second in the series for the French Navy has just entered production.

The FDI HN will be an asset of power and sovereignity for Greece.

With the FDI HN, the Hellenic Navy will have a state-of-the-art, high-performance surface fleet.

As a first-rank frigate, the FDI HN is a compendium of the best technologies of Naval Group, Thales and MBDA, which will notably supply the ASTER 30 B1 and Exocet MM40 Block 3C missiles. It will be fully interoperable with European and NATO fleets.

Greece will become the second customer of this multi-mission frigate, bringing the number of units produced from five for the French Navy to eight in total, plus one as an option.

(https://www.naval-group.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/FDI-Gr%C3%A8ce-en-mer%40Naval%20Group-small.jpg)

https://www.naval-group.com/en/greece-signs-memorandum-understanding-naval-group-and-mbda-opening-negotiations-supply-three-fdi
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Setembro 28, 2021, 02:29:23 pm
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These corvettes are offered instead of the modernisation of the MEKO frigates. The modernisation was planned to cost around a Billion euros, while a Gowind 2500 is estimated at around 350 millions euros, for completely new ships. 

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/new-development-in-greece-french-frigates-for-the-future-hellenic-navy/


Ah, assim já tem mais sentido. Bem, ficam com navios mais novos ao menos....
 :-P
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 28, 2021, 05:42:51 pm
https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/09/29/greece-france-aukus-debacle/amp/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 29, 2021, 12:18:23 pm
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Setembro 29, 2021, 02:46:38 pm
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Top. Manda vir já 3!
 :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 29, 2021, 03:33:53 pm
Revell ou Tamiya?  :mrgreen:
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Setembro 29, 2021, 03:47:34 pm
Latest Details On The Deal Between France And Greece For 3 FDI Frigates

Greece signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) for the supply of three FDI HN frigates (plus one in option) built by French shipbuilder Naval Group. This decision is part of a strategic partnership concluded between the two countries, announced today by the President of the French Republic and the Greek Prime Minister. Here are more details on the matter, provided by the French ministry of defense.

Xavier Vavasseur  28 Sep 2021

Hervé Grandjean, spokesman of the French MoD said this monring during a press briefing:

“It is a MOU that has been signed. A contract in due form remains to be signed in the next months. We are opening a period of three months at the end of which the official contract will be signed. The order of magnitude of the contract is 3 billion Euros”

He added that the 3 billion budget includes the ships, the weapon systems as well as the support of the ships for three years.

Regarding the schedule for the Hellenic Navy, the first two frigates will be delivered to the Hellenic Navy in 2025 and the third one in 2026. Grandjean said “this first export customer validates the decision of the French MoD to develop the FDI frigate”. At 4,500 tons, the FDI is smaller than the 6,000 tons FREMM but packs the same firepower and features a much better radar, the SeaFire by Thales.

Accoding to the French MoD, the Hellenic Navy frigates will be fitted with (among other systems):

32x Aster 30 B1 surface to air missiles
8x Exocet anti-ship missile MM40 B3c
MU90 torpedoes
CANTO anti torpedo decoys

A Naval Group source told Naval News that the frigates that Greece is set to acquire will not be similar to the French Navy’s future Amiral Ronarc’h-class but are known as “FDI HN” meaning they will feature a level customization to meet the specific requirements of the Hellenic Navy. Details of the FDI HN final configuration are not known yet, but they will likely feature a RAM close in weapon systems (CIWS) for example.

Some elements (likely subsystems) of the FDI HN will be built in Greece. Naval Group already discussed with close to 100 Greek companies, several dozens are in advanced talks to integrate the FDI supply chain. The deal will create jobs in Greece for the construction phase as well as the through life support of the frigates.

French President Emmanuel Macron said after meeting with Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis that Greece would buy the three frigates from France as part of a deeper “strategic partnership” between the two countries to defend their shared interests in the Mediterranean. Macron added that this is a major boost for the EU’s defence ambitions.

According to the French MoD, the strategic partnership includes a “mutual assistance clause” which reads as follow:

“The parties shall render mutual aid and assistance by all appropriate means, if necessary through the use of armed force, if they jointly determine that an armed attack has occurred against the territory of one of them”

Η απόφαση να εξοπλιστεί ο ελληνικός στόλος με σύγχρονες γαλλικές φρεγάτες έχει κίνητρο εθνικό, καθώς θωρακίζει την Πατρίδα μας. Ευρωπαϊκό, αφού ενισχύει την κοινή αμυντική μας βιομηχανία. Έχει και χαρακτήρα ευρωατλαντικό. Γιατί αφορά δύο εταίρους στην ΕΕ & δύο συμμάχους στο ΝΑΤΟ. pic.twitter.com/9qbKaJ5PJ0

— Prime Minister GR (@PrimeministerGR) September 28, 2021

“The decision to equip the Greek fleet with modern French frigates has a national motive, as it shields our Homeland. European, as it strengthens our common defense industry. It also has a Euro-Atlantic character. Because it concerns two partners in the EU & two allies in NATO.”
The new delivery schedule of the FDI frigates (all built at Naval Group surface ships shipyard in Lorient, Britany) is as follow. It does impact slightly the delivery of two frigates for the French Navy:

FDI #1 1st frigate for the French Navy 2024 (no change)
FDI #2 1st frigate for the Hellenic Navy early 2025
FDI #3 2nd frigate for the Hellenic Nav late 2025
FDI #4 2nd frigate for the French Navy early 2026 (instead of 2025)
FDI #5 3rd frigate for the Hellenic Navy later 2026
FDI #6 3rd frigate for the French Navy 2027 (instead of 2026)
FDI #7 4th frigate for the French Navy 2028 (no change)
FDI #8 5th frigate for the French Navy 2029 (no change)

According to French Navy Commander Lavaud, the three upgraded La Fayette-class frigates will help fill the gap until the delivery of the second and third FDI.

Asked about a possible order of Gowind corvettes by Greece, the French MoD spokesman said:

“The Gowind corvettes can be a solution to meet the needs of the Hellenic Navy which we can understand that they are not exhausted with this order of 3 + 1 frigates. Nevertheless this is more a question that should be asked to our Greek partners”.

France’s Naval Group was competing against:

Fincantieri FREMM
Damen Sigma 11515
Naval Group FDI
Lockheed Martin HF2
Babcock Arrowhead 140

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/latest-details-on-the-deal-between-france-and-greece-for-3-fdi-frigates/

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Daniel em Setembro 29, 2021, 04:17:55 pm
Grécia compra três novas fragatas à França
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/grecia-compra-tres-novas-fragatas-a-franca_n1351808
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A Grécia assinou um acordo com a França esta terça-feira para comprar três novas fragatas. Uma notícia agora revelada e que surge pouco tempo depois do golpe que Paris sofreu quando perdeu para os EUA e Reino Unido um negócio de milhares de milhões na construção de submarinos para a Austrália

O acordo, um pacto de cooperação estratégica em defesa e segurança, que foi assinado pelos presidentes da França e da Grécia,  também se insere nos esforços para aumentar a autonomia militar europeia.

"Contribui para a segurança europeia, para o fortalecimento da autonomia e soberania estratégica da Europa e, portanto, para a paz e segurança internacionais", disse o presidente francês Emmanuel Macron em conferência de imprensa com o primeiro-ministro grego Kyriakos Mitsotakis.

"Isto via juntar-nos por décadas", disse por sua vez Mitsotakis.

Com este acordo, Atenas também tem a opção de comprar uma quarta fragata à França.

A Grécia já tinha também tomado a decisão, este ano, de compra de 24 caças Rafale fabricados pela Dassault, tornando-se no primeiro país da União Europeia a comprar este avião militar.

O acordo entre franceses e gregos pode chegar aos 5 mil milhões de euros, o que, de certa foram, alivia a dor do Grupo Naval que iria construir submarinos para a Austrália.

 :o :o
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Outubro 14, 2021, 06:19:55 am
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Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: tenente em Novembro 06, 2021, 08:53:57 pm
Os nossos IRresponsáveis que ponham os olhinhos nesta Armada Grega !!!!

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/JFagXA.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmJFagXAj)

Abraços
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Novembro 08, 2021, 08:32:08 am
Mas ganhamos em bolas de golfe!

Incha!
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: redkukulkane em Dezembro 10, 2021, 09:28:01 pm
 Os americanos acaba de aprovar a possivel venda a  grecia de 4 MMSC fragatas por 6.9 biliões 6.9 mil milhões e a modernizaçao da classe meko por 2.5 biliões 2.5 mil milhões de dolares. :o

WASHINGTON, 10 de dezembro de 2021 - O Departamento de Estado tomou a decisão de aprovar uma possível Venda Militar Estrangeira ao Governo da Grécia de navios Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC) e equipamentos relacionados por um custo estimado de $ 6,9 bilhões. A Defense Security Cooperation Agency entregou hoje a certificação exigida notificando o Congresso desta possível venda.

O Governo da Grécia solicitou a compra de quatro (4) navios Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC); cinco (5) Sistemas de Gerenciamento de Combate COMBATSS-21 (4 instalados, 1 sobressalente); cinco (5) Sistemas de lançamento vertical (VLS), MK 41 (4 instalados, 1 sobressalente; 8 células por conjunto); duzentos (200) mísseis Rolling Airframe (RAM) BLK 2 (84 instalados, 10 rodadas de teste e treinamento, 106 sobressalentes); cinco (5) Sistemas lançadores de mísseis guiados MK 49 (4 instalados, 1 sobressalente); oito (8) mísseis de telemetria RAM BLK 2; trinta e dois (32) mísseis de lançamento vertical anti-submarino (ASROC) (VLA) (12 instalados (3 por navio), 8 foguetes de teste e treinamento, 12 sobressalentes); dezesseis (16) metralhadoras M240B de 7,62 mm com munição (8 instaladas (2 por navio), 8 sobressalentes) e trinta e dois (32) torpedos redondos leves MK-54 All Up (16 instalados (4 por navio), 16 sobressalentes ) Também estão incluídos os individuais adicionais, Células VLS para VLA; artilharia; teste; Treinamento; suporte de acompanhamento; Radares TRS-4D; Míssil modular antiaéreo comum (CAMM); Míssil modular antiaéreo comum - Alcance estendido (CAMM-ER); Naval Strike Missile (NSM) RGM-184B e lançadores; MK 46 Lightweight Upgrade para MK 54 Lightweight Torpedo; recipientes de torpedo; Torpedos de exercício recuperáveis ​​(REXTORP) com recipientes; Torpedos de exercício (EXTORP) com recipientes; Alvos de treinamento (EMATTs) de guerra antissubmarina (ASW) de tamanho A móvel; Seção de Exercícios da Frota (FES) e tanques de combustível para serem usados ​​com os kits de conversão MK 54; acessórios de lançamento aéreo para asa fixa; Arma OTO STRALES de 76 mm com artilharia; Radar de controle de incêndio; Sistema de computador de armas; Sistema de canhão Narwhal de 20 mm com artilharia; Metralhadora M2A1 .50 com munições; Sistema de defesa contra torpedos para navios de superfície NIXIE SLQ-25; Sistema de lançamento de engodo Sylena MK 2 com contramedida de torpedo CANTO; Elta Electronic Warfare suite com capacidade de sistema aéreo contra-tripulado; Sonar-2 compacto de profundidade variável passiva ativa de baixa frequência (CAPTAS-2); Sonar rebocado ativo de baixa frequência (LFATS); SQQ-89; Rádios AN / ARC-210 (RT-2036 (C)); Equipamento de Identificação de Amigo ou Inimigo (IFF); Pesquisa infravermelha e diretor Track / EO; Sistema de aviso de laser naval; detectores de ameaças químicas, biológicas e radiológicas; e Barco Inflável de Casco Rígido de 7 metros (RHIB). Também estão incluídos suporte e equipamento de teste; peças sobressalentes e de reparo; equipamento de comunicação, incluindo equipamento de comunicação Link 16; Sistema de coleta e exploração de informações do campo de batalha (BICES); AN / SRQ-4 Tactical Common Datalink; Sistema Global de Comando e Controle-Joint (GCCS-J); Integrador de Sistemas de Defesa Aérea (ADSI); equipamento criptográfico incluindo SY-150, SY-117G e KYV-5M; Receptor GPS Defense Advance (DAGR); entrega e suporte de software; instalações e apoio à construção; publicações e documentação técnica; treinamento de pessoal e equipamento de treinamento; Serviços de apoio técnico e logístico, de engenharia do governo e de empreiteiros dos Estados Unidos; suporte para testes e ensaios; estudos e pesquisas; e outros elementos relacionados de apoio logístico e do programa. O custo total estimado é de US $ 6,9 bilhões 6,9 mil milhões.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/greece-multi-mission-surface-combatant-hellenic-future-frigate-hf2

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/greece-meko-class-frigate-modernization

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 12, 2021, 02:38:52 pm
Depois dos subs para a Austrália, mais uma guerra comercial EUA/França, agora por causa das fragatas para a Grécia

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/america-offers-greece-frigate-deal-in-direct-challenge-to-france/ar-AARHLLZ?ocid=msedgntp
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Dezembro 12, 2021, 03:03:40 pm
Depois dos subs para a Austrália, mais uma guerra comercial EUA/França, agora por causa das fragatas para a Grécia

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/america-offers-greece-frigate-deal-in-direct-challenge-to-france/ar-AARHLLZ?ocid=msedgntp


Então o concurso Grego já não eatava mais que decidido!? Junto com o resto do equipamento Francês que eles vão adquirir?
 :-P
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 13, 2021, 07:17:47 am
 Já não digo nada

Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Vitor Santos em Dezembro 13, 2021, 01:11:54 pm
 :arrow:  http://www.opex360.com/2021/12/11/paris-affirme-que-la-vente-de-trois-fregates-belhrra-a-la-grece-a-ete-signee-il-y-a-quelques-jours/
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Dezembro 14, 2021, 08:36:58 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/navaltoday/status/1470669183235104770
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: NVF em Dezembro 15, 2021, 01:08:39 am
Os américas às vezes parece que se drogam. 2,5 mil milhões para actualizar 04 navios com 30 anos? Os canecos efectuaram o upgrade às duas Anzac da NZ por uns 450 milhões de dólares NZ. Mais vale comprar novo.
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: dc em Dezembro 16, 2021, 11:07:26 am
Radar de controle de incêndio

Parto-me sempre a rir com estas traduções.  :mrgreen:

2.5 mil milhões para upgrades das Meko, só se já estiverem a contar com uma enorme modernização, e uma valente palete de mísseis.  :o
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: P44 em Janeiro 19, 2022, 08:11:53 am
Proposta americana para corveta

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1483708858623311872
Título: Re: Marinha Grega (Hellenic Navy)
Enviado por: Stalker79 em Janeiro 19, 2022, 02:55:56 pm
Proposta americana para corveta

https://mobile.twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1483708858623311872


Então como não deu o LCS fragata agora vai o LCS corveta!?Lol. Os Gregos que vejam a melhor opção para eles.
 :-P