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« Responder #165 em: Abril 26, 2021, 11:58:25 am »
Navy must cut plans 2021: mine hunter out of service

The navy is going to lay aside a mine hunter, the maintenance of HNLMS. Postpone Zeeland, purchase fewer spare parts and take even more measures to stay within budget. This was announced by the Royal Netherlands Navy command in the Alle Hens on Sunday.



Mine hunter HNLMS Vlaardingen

The various members of the Admiralty Council emphasized in a video in the Alle Hens that it is not about cutbacks. The Ministry of Defense will have more money to spend next year, but the Royal Netherlands Navy Command will receive the same amount as last year. And that is not enough to finance the plans for 2021, it turns out. Only option: cutting plans and that hurts.

The Commando Naval Forces (CZSK) appears to have to take a few strong internal measures to keep the housekeeping book in order. In the video, Deputy Commander Naval Forces Rear Admiral Huub Hulsker and Director of Operations Brigadier General of the Marines Jan Hut sum up a number of examples:

• One of the six minehunters is taken out of service;
• Patrol ship HNLMS. Zeeland will not be undergoing maintenance for the time being, crew will be deployed elsewhere;
• Stop filling civilian vacancies;
• Purchase of fewer spare parts;
• Cancellation of certain exercises of the Marine Corps;
• Trip that replaces the canceled Eastern Trip, is shortened.

The clip released today with the Alle Hens. The first two interviews (with aide-de-camp officer Gouda and naval captain Van den Heuvel) are about the impact of corona on the navy and how the organization deals with this. From 5:16 the interviews with Hulsker, Hut and Kramer.

Major interventions
These are interventions for CZSK that we had not seen for a long time. Taking a mine hunter out of service is not easy and postponing maintenance of a ship will continue for a long time and also means that the Zeeland will only start sailing later. In recent years it did happen that a ship was moored, but that was due to staff shortages. More or less comparable were the measures in 2016 when the navy received a budget that was millions of euros lower due to old cutbacks and less revenue, and the number of days at sea had to be cut. The practice trip of HNLMS Rotterdam ( African Winds 2016 ) was then canceled. So now it seems to involve more extensive measures.

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The defense budget for 2021 broken down. (Source: Defense)

It is striking that these measures apply for 2021, a year in which, according to the Defense budget, our total armed forces will benefit by more than a billion euros . However, a large part will go to the Defense Materiel Budget Fund (DMF), something from which the CZSK will also reap the benefits in the form of many new ships, but that is something of the future.

CZSK will receive, that was the plan, at least during Prinsjesdag, 794 million euros in total. The measures that have now been announced, and there are more, suggest that it is not a small difference. However, it is still unclear why CZSK is forced to cut so sharply, while the budget remains at the same level as next year.

Good news
Fortunately, there was also good news. Commander of the Naval Forces Vice Admiral Rob Kramer mentioned a number of positive developments: "We have signed a contract with Belgium for a bi-national support team for the ships, for the M-frigates. That also means enormous relief for the units." Kramer also sees that the inflow and retention is improving: "We are seeing the workforce growing."

https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Marine-moet-snijden-in-ambities-151120.html

Seria uma excelente oportunidade que nunca mais se repetirá, se Portugal negociasse a compra do LPD, da Fragata e do caça minas, sim eu sei que é de 1989, mas seria o primeiro a adquirir porque pelo que sei pelo menos mais uma unidade desta classe  seguirá também para abate.
Nesta situação sim, acho que o preço do JdW seria inferior a 200 milhões e muito provavelmente, com uns 250 milhões vinham os três Navios.


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« Responder #166 em: Abril 26, 2021, 12:14:33 pm »
O natal chegou mais cedo, não aproveitem não
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« Responder #167 em: Abril 26, 2021, 12:17:31 pm »
O natal chegou mais cedo, não aproveitem não

Sem dúvida, se soubessem fazer contas, e usar bem o nosso dinheiro, com os 300 milhões da LPM, tinham o LPD, o Wave, uma fragata e um Caça Minas, mas que mau negócio !!!

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« Responder #168 em: Abril 26, 2021, 07:19:37 pm »
Higher costs of the navy are structural, more about the measures taken for 2021

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The fact that the navy has to cut its plans for 2021 has to do with structurally higher costs. With budgets unchanged, the shortages will also return after 2021, a spokesman reports to Marineschepen.nl. In this article more about the measures for 2021.


Mine hunter Zr.Ms. Urk is against the side and is on its way to an unknown destination: early retirement? (Photo: Jaime Karremann / Marineschepen.nl)

Yesterday the navy announced by means of a video clip that measures must be taken to be able to present a balanced budget. Marineschepen.nl wrote an article about it on Sunday evening that was read frequently on Monday. And that is understandable, because this was also news to many employees.

"If there had not been a corona, we would have invited all commanders and chief of the equipages for presentations and an exchange of ideas," says the navy spokesman in a telephone conversation with Marineschepen.nl. "Then you quickly reach 150 people and that is not possible now."

The navy wanted to communicate quickly and transparently about the measures, and decided to do so through the publicly accessible staff magazine Alle Hens .

Structurally higher costs
Although in the responses to Sunday's message, the word cuts were often mentioned, these are not cuts imposed by The Hague (or the EU). The Royal Netherlands Navy Command (CZSK) will receive the same budget next year as in 2020, but the CZSK can do less with that. The cause of the impending shortages is higher costs. There was no single setback or a temporary cost item, it is a combination. For example, the employment conditions that have improved, but the costs of which are higher than expected. In addition, old ships are expensive to maintain, Dutch naval ships are getting older and more expensive. Another cause, more generally, is that many things have become more expensive, especially military items.

The worrying thing is that the problems cannot be solved with one economical year. More money will have to be added structurally or the navy will also have to do less in the future.

Adjusting
Adjustments to stay within the budget has always been the case, but in the past the navy had more room to shift within its own budget. That space no longer seems to exist. For example, what was done in the past to solve imminent shortages was to use the money left over from vacancies for spare parts. That is no longer possible.

Knife has to cut on three sides
When selecting the measures that should at least solve the problems before 2021, an attempt was made not to look only at the money. "We have looked across the board. You want the knife to cut both ways: it must generate money, we want to deploy people elsewhere and we want the CDS [Commander of the Armed Forces, JK] to still perform the mission . "

As announced yesterday, a mine hunter is being taken out of service. It concerns HNLMS. Urk. The crew of this ship will not be sent home. Personal agreements have been made with them, the navy reports, about follow-up positions. Some are redistributed to other Mine Service Units (they fill vacancies), others remain on the Urk until the unit is taken out of service and the necessary detail has been deposited, yet others are already sorting ahead of the future by being placed on the Geosea that is used. prepared for the arrival of the new mine countermeasures. The Navy was also short of personnel on the Geosea. This was already the intention, but then later.

And what will happen to the Urk? That is still uncertain. This may be taken into reserve, but the almost 34-year-old ship could also be decommissioned.

Defense receives more money
There will be no cutbacks on Defense. In total, Defense will receive more than one billion euros extra in 2021, and the Defense budget will then be approximately 11 billion euros. A lot of money, however, goes to the Defense Materiel Fund, the army, Defense Support Command (DOSCO) and the nuclear department also receive their money to spend, which is more than 800 million for the navy. The Air Force gets a little less than the Navy. The budget also showed on Budget Day that the navy, or rather the Commando Naval Forces (CZSK), would receive more if the funds were transferred to the Defense Materiel Fund, but that is not what is now experienced in Den Helder. The budgets that are used for calculations hardly differ from 2020.

Old fleet with fewer parts
Another measure is to buy fewer spare parts. Years ago this caused major problems. Nevertheless, the navy feels compelled to cut back on this point again. It must be said that more parts have been purchased in recent years.

The stop on civilian personnel is less serious than it seems, the navy is already above the 100% fill level.


HNLMS Zeeland on the North Sea. (Photo: Jaime Karremann / Marineschepen.nl)

Patrol ships less on the North Sea
Postponing maintenance of HNLMS. Zeeland means that fewer tasks can be completed by the patrol ships. The West remains the priority for these OPVs, the navy will be able to continue to perform those tasks. But the OPVs were also active on the North Sea, which the navy will be able to do less with an OPV against the shore.

Here, too, the knife cuts on several sides. Because postponement of maintenance saves money, it also saves capacity at the Materiel Preservation Service (DMI). And at DMI there are still Portuguese M-frigates for an update, so more attention can be paid to those ships so that they can also be on the road again.

Marines do not do jungle training to United States
Yesterday it was announced about the Marine Corps that exercises would be canceled. Specifically, it concerns the jungle training and a life firing exercise in Curacao. According to the spokesperson, this is a matter of priorities, because the mountain training and winter training in Norway will continue. As well as a great exercise in the United States. "There we can use a large training area, with planes and fire support, something that we otherwise cannot provide," said the spokesman.

Not dramatic
What applies to the Marine Corps, also applies to other parts of the navy: some things will not happen, many others will. The navy wants to emphasize through the spokesman, "that the measures should not be done too dramatically either. The navy is not standing still in 2021. If you look at the OJP [Operational Annual Plan, JK], that is not a blank page. Marines are going to the US, the Evertsen is going to the East with a British squadron, there is a lot of commitment in NATO squadrons. "

https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Waarom-marine-plannen-2021-moet-wijzigen-161120.html

Assim haja vontade em reequipar um pouco a nossa Marinha, a oportunidade está bem perto é só aproveitá-la e conseguimos de uma assentada adquirir três a quatro unidades de superfície e a Armada voltar a ter capacidade de desminagem, valência essa que em termos de Navios, desapareceu há quase trinta anos, com as quatro unidades da classe S. Roque.






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« Responder #169 em: Junho 04, 2021, 08:58:21 am »
Damen Shipyards Galati Lays Keel Of Royal Netherlands Navy’s Combat Support Ship
On the 2nd of June Damen Shipyards Galati has performed the keel-laying ceremony on the Combat Support Ship (CSS) Den Helder.
Martin Manaranche  03 Jun 2021

Damen press release

This marks an important milestone in the construction of this new supply ship for the Royal Netherlands Navy. The keel laying ceremony was performed by the Director Defence Material Organisation (DMO), vice admiral Arie Jan de Waard and vice admiral Rob Kramer, Commander Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN).

The yard carried out the steel cutting for this new vessel in December last year. Following the keel-laying, all the building blocks for the actual construction of the ship in Romania are now ready. The engineering of the CSS has been largely carried out in the Netherlands. Damen Naval division director Hein van Ameijden emphasizes that it is mainly the cooperation with companies from the existing naval construction chain that makes the innovative construction of Dutch naval ships possible.

“More than a year after signing the contract for this ship, Damen Naval has concluded 116 purchase contracts, of which 82 are with Dutch suppliers. These are with companies coming mostly from the Rijnmond and Zeeland areas. It is this entire chain of companies that contributes to the construction of this new ship for the RNLN.”

Damen Naval division director Hein van Ameijden
Besides emphasizing the close cooperation between all parties involved, the keel laying also has a traditional value. In the past, a coin was placed under the wooden mast for prosperity. Nowadays, with the ships made of steel, the coin is placed under the keel block. Both admirals performed this operation for the CSS, placing a coin from 1822 for the occasion. This was an important year for the RNLN, in which, after various plans and initiatives for fort building in the Napoleonic era, the marine establishment with drydock in Den Helder was transferred to their ownership.

The next important ceremonial milestone is the naming of the vessel, but not before the building of the ship is completed in 2023. After commissioning, testing and shipyard trials the ship will sail to Den Helder, where the accessories and the combat management system will be installed before the ship is transferred to the navy in 2025.

The ship was designed in close collaboration with the DMO and the RNLN. It is based on the Joint Support Ship HNLMS Karel Doorman, previously built by Damen. The nearly 180-metre-long ship will have a 75-person standard crew and can take an additional 85 people on board. In addition to space for fuel and munition to supply other ships, there is room for several helicopters and twenty containers.

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Den Helder CSS Specifications


Artist impression of the Combat Support Ship. © Ministerie van Defensie
The nearly 200-meter-long ship will have a 75-person crew and can also take an additional 75 people on board. The design can accommodate several helicopters and around 20 ISO containers.

Delivery of the Den Helder is scheduled for the 2nd quarter of 2024. A year later, in the 2nd quarter of 2025, the CSS must be ready for duty with the RNLN.

During NEDS 2019, Damen was showcasing a scale model of the CSS (pictures above) featuring the following dimensions:

Length over all: 179.3 meters
Beam: 26.4 meters
Displacement: 22,400 tonnes

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/06/damen-shipyards-galati-lays-keel-of-royal-netherlands-navys-combat-support-ship/
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« Responder #170 em: Junho 05, 2021, 02:28:32 pm »


Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën Frigate

Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën Frigate Tracks Ballistic Missile

The Royal Netherlands Navy announced that the SMART-L Multi Mission/Naval radar aboard HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën was used to eliminate a ballistic missile, marking a first in Europe. This was carried out during exercise Formidable Shield 2021.

Xavier Vavasseur 31 May 2021

The LCF Frigate achieved a first in Europe thanks to its SMART-L MM/N Radar

According to the RNLN, the new SMART-L Multi Mission/Naval radar can detects ballistic missiles up to 2,000 kilometers away. The ship can then can pass on the tracking and detection data to other sea-based or land-defense BMD assets, including U.S. Navy’s warships, that can deal with a ballistic missile threat.
In addition to remote detection, the new SMART-L simultaneously ‘sees’ threats in the airspace. The Zeven Provinciën is able to protect a maritime squadron against anti-ship missiles fired from a distance. For defense against projectiles outside the atmosphere, the Navy needs the Americans. They successfully destroyed a ballistic missile flying 14,000 kilometers per hour through space. This was done with an interceptor missile, fired from the USS Paul Ignatius, but based on the information provided by the SMART-L. The Netherlands itself has no such missiles, which is why a partner took out the ‘enemy’ projectile.
RNLN statement

The Netherlands has been a leader in the field of radar for years. In 2006, the trajectory of a threatening projectile in space was calculated for the first time. At the time, this was done by Holland Signaal, currently Thales. Then, too, there was collaboration with the Americans to destroy the missile. The tests were near Hawaii.

About De Zeven Provinciën-class / LCF Frigates

The Royal Netherlands Navy Air Defense and Command Frigate (ADCF) HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën (F802) engages a subsonic target with two Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM), May 19, 2021. Courtesy photo: Royal Danish Navy

The Royal Netherlands Navy has 4 air defense and command frigates (LCF) of the De Zeven Provinciën-class. The ships can protect a complete fleet from enemy threats from the sea and from the air (aircraft and missiles). Specialized in anti-aircraft warfare (AAW) vessel, LCF vessels are fitted with 40x Mk41 Vertical Launch Systems which are used to house and launch Evolved Sea Sparrow (ESSM) and SM-2 Block IIIA missiles.

In addition, the ships are equipped to allow the deployable and operational command staff of the Royal Netherlands Navy, the Netherlands Maritime Force (NLMARFOR), to control large-scale (maritime) operations.

The first-in-class ship received her SMART-L Multi Mission radar upgrade from Thales in March 2019. All four ships of the class will be upgraded with the new radar (and other systems) as part of a modernization programme. This new radar is capable of BMD mission (surveillance and tracking of ballistic missiles) up to 2000 km while simultaneous maintaining the air defence capability. The Dutch Defence Material Organisation (DMO) announced in April 2020 that it has selected Italian company Leonardo to supply new 127mm naval gun systems.

LCF Specifications

displacement: 6,050 tons
length: 144 meters
width: 17 meters
draft: 7 meters
speed: 30 knots

About SMART-L MM

In addition to remote detection, the new SMART-L simultaneously “sees” threats in the airspace.

According to Thales, the SMART-L MM is a next generation Long Range Multi Mission Radar for Air and Space Surveillance and Ballistic Missile Detection. The fully digitally controlled Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) type of radar, applying GaN transmitter and Dual Axis Multibeam receiver technology, is capable of detecting a very wide variety of air and space objects including stealth, short up to long range ballistic missiles and space objects. The SMART-L MM is capable of surveillance and tracking of Ballistic Missiles up to 2000 km while simultaneous maintaining the Air Defence capability. Aboard the LCF vessels, the MM variant replaces the existing SMART-L radars.



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« Responder #171 em: Junho 05, 2021, 04:09:05 pm »
Enquanto por cá se brinca aos OPVs desarmados...

Isto devia servir de exemplo para a MGP, que para contribuir para a capacidade BMD da NATO, é inteiramente possível com navios relativamente acessíveis, e sem necessidade de um grande investimento em armamento dedicado.
 

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« Responder #172 em: Outubro 31, 2021, 09:02:04 am »
The last two M-frigates are not gone for the time being, DMO and the navy emphasize that in a response. On Friday it was announced that the Netherlands and Greece will investigate the sale of eight Dutch naval vessels.

https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Marine-over-verkoop-fregatten-en-mijnenjagers-aan-Griekenland-dringend-behoefte-aan-fregatten--311021.html
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« Responder #173 em: Dezembro 02, 2021, 01:28:56 pm »
Damen Naval, a dedicated naval shipbuilding division of the Damen Shipyards Group, has reported that the construction work on the Royal Netherlands Navy’s combat support ship (CSS) at its yard in Galati, Romania is on track.

The company held a keel-laying ceremony for the naval ship Den Helder in June this year while the steel-cutting ceremony was held in December 2020.




Damen’s design the 179-meter long vessel consists of a total of 178 different sections. The construction drawings of 116 sections have been finalized, 80 sections have already been fabricated at the yard, and 22 are currently under construction, together representing a total amount of cut steel of 6,600 tonnes, according to the company.

“It’s starting to take shape – the whole yard is full of pieces of ship and we are slowly starting to put them together,” Damen Naval project director Arjan Risseeuw described the scene at the yard.

The construction of the sections is taking place at the same time as the installation of some equipment. Specifically, this equipment includes small items – for example, more than 8,400 pieces of pipework have been fitted into the finished sections – as well as larger items. In fact, last month saw the placing of the heaviest items of equipment: four Wärtsilä 31 diesel generators.

The selection of this generator by Damen Naval and the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) was based on the ambition to ensure that the CSS is as efficient as possible in terms of fuel consumption and exhaust emissions.

What is more, the vessel is equipped with a selective catalytic reduction unit that will ensure that the CSS is compliant with the International Maritime Organisation’s (IMO) Tier III regulations concerning NOx emissions. Combined with the hull shape and propeller design, the Wärtsilä 31 is expected to reduce the CSS’s fuel consumption by about 6 per cent.

Furthermore, Damen has worked closely with Finnish tech group Wärtsilä and DMO on reducing the levels of noise and vibrations of the four generator sets. To this end, the engine and generator have been built on a base frame structure. “Placing the generator sets in the sections was a real feat. Now that they are in place, the sections can be built over them,” Risseeuw added.

“At the beginning of February, we will be pulling the first cables. And another big event is the lateral launch of modules 2 and 3 in April. In addition, we are busy with the engineering and construction of a float so that we can move the hull from dry to wet dock,” he concluded.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/12/01/damen-dutch-navys-combat-support-ship-starting-to-take-shape/

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« Responder #174 em: Janeiro 12, 2022, 02:52:36 pm »
Alguém tem informação sobre que radar está a ser equacionado pelos holandeses para as ASWF (substitutas das M)? Presumo que a Thales "crie" um radar especifico, mas uma ideia de equivalências face aos existentes / requisitos previstos?   
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« Responder #175 em: Janeiro 13, 2022, 12:34:27 am »
Presumo que seja uma combinação Sea Fire + APAR 2, semelhante à que vai equipar as F126 alemãs.
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« Responder #176 em: Janeiro 13, 2022, 02:29:57 pm »
Presumo que seja uma combinação Sea Fire + APAR 2, semelhante à que vai equipar as F126 alemãs.

Nas F126 já está fechado. Será um TRS-4D de painéis fixos em conjunto com o novo APAR 2.
 
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« Responder #177 em: Janeiro 13, 2022, 10:25:49 pm »
Pensei que os sensores seriam todos da Thales. Obrigado pela clarificação.
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« Responder #178 em: Abril 20, 2022, 10:46:34 am »
Estes responsáveis pela Defesa Holanda PROMETEM bem menos mas ajem ao contrário dos (IR)responsáveis Portugueses pela mesma pasta, que é só promessas e mentiras !!!!




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