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Exército Europeu
« em: Outubro 23, 2010, 03:13:33 pm »
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EU defense ministers advocate military cooperation as austerity measure

 

Increased cooperation could lead to a European army
European Union defense ministers have taken a step towards agreeing on intensified military cooperation in the 27-nation bloc at a meeting in Belgium. The move could save billions from national defense budgets.
 
European defense ministers meeting in Belgium have discussed the need to step up military and defense cooperation in a bid to cut billions of euros from domestic defense budgets.

German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg was among those who championed the idea of closer cooperation on defense at the meeting in the city of Ghent, but acknowledged that any such plan would face significant obstacles.

"We should join our forces more, but we also have to see the hurdles," Guttenberg said. "These are national hurdles. In Germany, for example, parliament has to agree to every foreign mission. While that has been a very good thing, it can also be an obstacle in the European context."

The proposal is that, in the future, EU countries could cut defense budgets in two ways: first, different member states could specialize in different aspects of defense, and second, the bloc could band together in the defense procurement process to secure better deals.

Guttenberg has also pushed his own three-step model to help aid such defense cooperation. The plan would first involve defining those domestic defense capabilities that were absolutely necessary for individual EU member states, then ascertaining the areas in which cooperation could bring savings, and, finally, allocating defense specialties to individual countries, which would then make their defense resources available to other EU members in the case of emergencies.

A European army?


Guttenberg says EU members could specialize their defense capabilities

Christian Schmidt, parliamentary secretary at the German Defense Ministry, said on the sidelines of the ministers' meeting that the pressure on governments to cut costs had "led to the realization that we have a lot of common interests in Europe."

"There is a general consensus that in these current times we cannot afford to carry out operations at the same capacity nor as efficiently."

Guy Verhofstadt, who leads the liberal grouping in the European Parliament, went one step further, arguing for a common European army.

"We have now a diplomatic service, which is very important, but we also need the other instrument - a common European defense, a common European army," he said.

"And certainly, at a time when every European country has to make savings, maybe it's the right time to build up this common European army. There are two million soldiers in Europe, but only 300,000 in the US, and I think that the American army is more efficient that the European forces. So that's a good reason to start this."

Sino-American dominance


Morin says defense cooperation would minimize the influence of the US on Europe

The French defense minister, Herve Morin, said that if Europe failed to boost defense cooperation, it risked becoming a puppet of the United States and China.

"At the rate we're going, we risk Europe gradually becoming a protectorate - 50 years from now we'll become a pawn in the balance between the new powers and we'll be under a joint dominion of China and America," Morin told reporters.

"All the countries of the world are re-arming and the Europeans, who already before the crisis had really weak budgets, have now carried out new reductions."

The French defense minister said EU states should formulate a list of defense capabilities that should remain under the control of individual states and those that should be shared.

Also on the agenda at the meeting was the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan. German Defense Minister Guttenberg said Germany intended to increase its efforts in training security forces in the country.

He said that as many as 1,600 soldiers could be performing this task by the end of October.

Author: Darren Mara (dpa/Reuters)
Editor: Susan Houlton


Se isto for para a frente, qual será o nosso "cluster" ????
Artigo 308º

Traição à Pátria

Quem, por meio de violência, ameaça de violência, usurpação ou abuso de funções de soberania:

a) Tentar separar da Mãe-Pátria, ou entregar a país estrangeiro ou submeter à soberania estrangeira, todo o território português ou parte dele
 

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Re: Exército Europeu
« Responder #1 em: Outubro 23, 2010, 03:54:31 pm »
Isto é ainda o diz que disse.
7. Todos os animais são iguais mas alguns são mais iguais que os outros.

 

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Re: Exército Europeu
« Responder #2 em: Outubro 23, 2010, 04:20:37 pm »
De qualquer modo gosto pouco destes "europrojectos" ainda mais quando se trata de cooperação militar.
Lembro-me logo de projectos conjuntos que foram abandonados por falta de consenso acabando cada pais por seguir o seu próprio caminho...  
Recordo os projectos de MBT do fim dos anos 80 ou os franco-alemães mais recentes.

Outro caso é quando abrangem países a mais acabando por dar barraca... UE 25, NATO...
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=HSMW

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Re: Exército Europeu
« Responder #3 em: Fevereiro 16, 2019, 11:53:57 am »
Um debate interessante sobre um tema enigmático.


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Re: Exército Europeu
« Responder #4 em: Fevereiro 16, 2019, 11:57:36 am »
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Sweden will for the first time in over 40 years increase the Defence Forces. This has been agreed by all eight parliamentary parties in the Defense Committee. The exact amounts have not been decided yet but the recommendation for the new organization, which should be ready by 2025, is the following:

-Increase the amount of personnel from 33,400 to 50,000+ (+22,000 more in the Home guard).

-Four brigades (currently two). One more mechanized brigade centered around P7 in Lund in souther Sweden and an infantry brigade centered around the Life Guards in Stockholm. There are enough CV90 IFVs in storage for the brigades. and just about enough (48) Archer SPA for four artillery battalions, but the amount of air defence, support. engineer and command vehicles will be needed to increase dramatically.

-The independent Battle Group on Gotland will be strengthened

-A second amphibious battalion (currently only one in Vaxholm outside of Stockholm) in Gothenburg to strengthen the defense of the west coast.

-Conscription will be more than trippled from the current 2,500 each year to 8,000 each year to be able to sustain this increase.

-The Air Force will have six combat squadrons, four with Gripen E and two with Gripen C. The previous plan was for all current 90-ish Gripen C/D to be scrapped/sold when the E is taken into use, but now a big part will remain.

-Gripen D will replace the Sk60 as advanced jet trainer.

-The base organisation for the Air Force will be increased to let the Air Force use civilian airfields as secondary bases during wartime.

-New land based radar systems.

-New AEW and Command aircraft will be purchased (most likely the SAAB GlobalEye)

-The Visby class corvettes will get SAMs

-Five submarines (three Gotland MLU and two Skåne (A26)), from the current wartime fleet of four (where one Gotland would not complete MLU and be used for training and spares)

Link (in Swedish):
https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/fo...an-1970-talet/
7. Todos os animais são iguais mas alguns são mais iguais que os outros.

 

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Re: Exército Europeu
« Responder #5 em: Fevereiro 16, 2019, 12:21:40 pm »
Citação de: Anzu
Sweden will for the first time in over 40 years increase the Defence Forces. This has been agreed by all eight parliamentary parties in the Defense Committee. The exact amounts have not been decided yet but the recommendation for the new organization, which should be ready by 2025, is the following:

-Increase the amount of personnel from 33,400 to 50,000+ (+22,000 more in the Home guard).

-Four brigades (currently two). One more mechanized brigade centered around P7 in Lund in souther Sweden and an infantry brigade centered around the Life Guards in Stockholm. There are enough CV90 IFVs in storage for the brigades. and just about enough (48) Archer SPA for four artillery battalions, but the amount of air defence, support. engineer and command vehicles will be needed to increase dramatically.

-The independent Battle Group on Gotland will be strengthened

-A second amphibious battalion (currently only one in Vaxholm outside of Stockholm) in Gothenburg to strengthen the defense of the west coast.

-Conscription will be more than trippled from the current 2,500 each year to 8,000 each year to be able to sustain this increase.

-The Air Force will have six combat squadrons, four with Gripen E and two with Gripen C. The previous plan was for all current 90-ish Gripen C/D to be scrapped/sold when the E is taken into use, but now a big part will remain.

-Gripen D will replace the Sk60 as advanced jet trainer.

-The base organisation for the Air Force will be increased to let the Air Force use civilian airfields as secondary bases during wartime.

-New land based radar systems.

-New AEW and Command aircraft will be purchased (most likely the SAAB GlobalEye)

-The Visby class corvettes will get SAMs

-Five submarines (three Gotland MLU and two Skåne (A26)), from the current wartime fleet of four (where one Gotland would not complete MLU and be used for training and spares)

Link (in Swedish):
https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/fo...an-1970-talet/

Sim os suecos sempre tiveram um modelo de defesa muito peculiar e só tem a ver com o que eles oresisam essas alteraçoes nada tem a ver com o exército europeu ou esse tal de PESCO.
Na verdade entre tantos itens de intervençao a Suecia so particpa de tres,mobilidade militar,,comando médico europeu e do comando de formação militar.
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