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« Responder #15 em: Junho 20, 2007, 10:22:52 am »
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Fragatas F-100 e Navios logísticos para a Austrália
Solução «espanhola» para o maior contrato na história da marinha australia
19.06.2007



O Primeiro Ministro australiano John Howard, anunciou nesta Quarta Feira a aquisição por parte da Austrália de três fragatas do tipo F-100, projecto da empresa espanhola Navantia juntamente com dois navios logísticos anfíbios por cerca de 6.800 milhões de Euros.

Juntamente com a já esperada decisão de aquisição das três fragatas F-100 [1], fortemente baseadas na tecnologia de empresas americanas, o governo da Austrália anunciou ainda que a marinha daquele país, vai também adquirir à empresa espanhola dois navios de apoio logístico do tipo «BPE» com um deslocamento de 27.000 toneladas cada um.

O governo australiano, optou pelas fragatas F-100 por terem não só um preço inferior ao do projecto concorrente da americana Gibbs & Cox, como por se tratar de navios que já existem, ao contrário do projecto americano que é apenas um projecto de «papel» que embora de dimensões e características superiores ao navio espanhol, não conseguiu convencer a marinha australiana.

A opção pelas fragatas F-100 acabou por servir de argumento para que a marinha australiana optasse também por adquirir os navios de apoio logístico baseados no projecto «BPE», presentemente em construção para a marinha da Espanha.

Os navios do tipo F-100 serão todos construídos em estaleiros australianos e 55% dos custos com a construção dos navios[2] serão gastos no próprio país, sendo o restante gasto essencialmente com a importação dos sistemas electrónicos, canhões, mísseis[3], radares e outro tipo de sensores que serão de origem norte-americana.

Os navios de apoio logístico, serão construídos pela empresa TENIX, a mesma empresa que construiu as fragatas Anzac e serão os maiores navios armados operados pela marinha da Austrália, sendo mesmo maiores em termos de deslocamento que os porta-aviões britânicos adquiridos por empréstimo pela marinha daquele país nos anos 50 e 60.
Além de terem capacidade para transportar aeronaves, do tipo F-35B (de descolagem vertical) eles têm uma doca que permite operações anfíbias e o desembarque directo de veículos blindados de infantaria e mesmo carros de combate pesados.

[1] Pelas suas dimensões estes navios são na prática contratorpedeiros
[2] O custo total do projecto deverá rondar os 6.800 milhões de Euros (R$ 17.5 bilhões)
[3] As fragatas australianas utilizarão mísseis SM3.
 

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« Responder #16 em: Junho 20, 2007, 11:49:47 am »
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Isso seria um encaixe financeiro bestial para os estaleiros Espanhóis. Matavam dois coelhos com uma cajadada, ou seja, garantiam um contracto muito lucrativo e ganhavam ainda mais destaque e visibilidade no mercado internacional.

Eso no va a suceder.

USA no va a vender su Aegis a España para que esta luego le fabrique los barcos a Australia, de ningun modo.

El caso de Noruega fue diferente porque no entraba Gibbs and Cox compitiendo con Navantia.

En este caso ganaran los politicos, aunque a los almirantes no les guste. :wink:
 

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« Responder #17 em: Junho 20, 2007, 08:47:46 pm »
A marinha da Austália prepara-se...

Afinal, quando um país se vê como potência dominante numa região do mundo, normalmente tem que colocar as suas armas, onde coloca as palavras.

São especialmente importantes as capacidades anfibias dos australianos, embora retirem de serviço os actuais três navios que têm no activo.

A possibilidade de operarem F-35 a bordo dos futoros LHD também não deixa de ser extremamente importante para a região, especialmente para quem quer servir como policia da região e tem que garantir superioridade aérea.

Parece-me no entanto que se trata de navios muito caros. E isto acontece com o dolar relativamente baixo. Caso contrário...  :shock:
 

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« Responder #18 em: Janeiro 02, 2008, 02:13:17 pm »
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Labor 'inherited Navy nightmare': Fitzgibbon

Not up to the job: Adelaide Class frigate HMAS Sydney (Department of Defence)

Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon says the previous federal government is to blame for serious problems with the Royal Australian Navy's frontline fighting ships.


It has been revealed the 1970s-built Adelaide Class guided missile frigates still cannot be sent into battle zones, despite a $1.5 billion upgrade.
A whistleblower has told News Limited newspapers the situation is so bad, sailors are quitting the Navy.


Mr Fitzgibbon says he is working to rectify the failings of the Howard Government.


"Trying to make a 21st Century warship out of such an old vessel always carried very significant risks," he said.


"The important thing is that we're determined to get value for taxpayers' money and we're determined to deliver the Navy and other services the capability they need.


"These are significant nightmares we've inherited, but we're determined to set them right."

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Sailors quit as dud frigates unfit for battle


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By Ian McPhedran, Defence Writer
January 02, 2008 12:00am



AUSTRALIA'S naval defence is in tatters with claims that despite a $1.4 billion "upgrade", frontline fighting ships are unable to be sent into battle.
For the first time a navy insider close to the 4000-tonne Adelaide class guided missile frigates upgrade project has provided details of one of the biggest defence scandals in the nation's history. The whistleblower told The Daily Telegraph that the situation is so dire that sailors are quitting the navy because their ships can not be deployed to the Middle East or other conflict zones.
And senior officials now admit that the 1997 frigate upgrade project was a "debacle" created by the Howard government's decision to maximise the sale price of the Sydney-based contractor Australian Defence Industries when it was sold to French firm Thales.
The project is four years late, includes four ships - not the original six as commissioned - and they just don't work.
Late last year Chief of Navy Vice-Admiral Russ Shalders refused to accept HMAS Sydney, the first ship in the program, for "operational release" because its war fighting systems did not function properly.
The whistleblower said the ships' anti-missile and anti-torpedo systems could not be integrated and their electronic support measures - the ship's eyes and ears for detecting incoming airborne threats - were a joke.
"That means they would be going into a war zone virtually blind," the informant said.
In addition the ships are unable to link their helicopters to war fighting data or use long-range chaff which confuses enemy missiles and takes them away from the ship.
The ships are also unable to integrate towed and on-board sonars to detect enemy torpedoes.
Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said the FFG upgrade was "another nightmare" that Labor had inherited and would have to manage as best as it could.
According to government auditors up to 98 per cent of the money has already been paid to Thales despite the fact the project is four years late and not one ship is operational.
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« Responder #19 em: Maio 13, 2008, 01:08:38 pm »
Buenas ,por fin vuelvo a postear en este foro,tras tirarme una semanilla sin internet por tener problemas "tecnicos" :evil: .Pues nada,aqui os dejo una informacion que he encontrado divagando un poquillo por la red.Por lo visto,ha aparecido la primera maqueta ya de como van a ser finalmente estos 3 destructores.De esta noticia se hacia eco un periodico asutraliano.Ahi va el link :wink: :
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23689440-5006301,00.html
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« Responder #20 em: Maio 13, 2008, 11:34:40 pm »
Boas! Várias notas relativas a este assunto:

a) Segundo sei, o objectivo oficial último da Marinha Australiana não é ter F-35 a bordo dos BPE, porque a estrutura logística não está preparada para isso. A Austrália está a preparar-se para adquirir F-35A (CTOL) e não F-35B (STOVL) ou F-35C (STOBAR) e o custo de suportar logísticamente um esquadrão de F-35B (não esquecer que o sistema propulsor é completamente diferente) era muito elevado. No entanto, e como dizia o cego, "a ver vamos"  :lol:  pode ser só uma cortina de fumo e após o primeiro lote pode ser que a Marinha Australiana tenha essa "fisgada"... se eu fosse um Almirante australiano pelo menos atirva o barro à parede a ver se pegava...

b) Relativamente aos AWD e BPE, existia um acordo com o governo conservador (que não sei se se mantém válido com o novo governo trabalhista) de que, se o total ficar abaixo do contratado (daí a opção pelo projecto Navantia para os LHD), pode ser que o Pai Natal traga um 4º AWD, o que deixaria a Marinha Australiana com uma frota fantástica, a saber, 2 BPE, 4 AWD, 8 ANZAC modernizadas com ênfase ASW e excelente capacidade de defesa AAW graças aos Evolved Seasparrow e radar ESA e 6 submarinos da classe Collins, cujo sucessor já está a ser desenhado. Nada mau, não acham? Faz pensar...

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« Responder #21 em: Maio 14, 2008, 08:23:28 am »
há uns tempos falou-se da possibilidade de um TERCEIRO BPE que teria mais funções de porta-aviões

http://eltiradorsolitario.blogspot.com/ ... ta-de.html

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jueves 27 de marzo de 2008
LA ARMADA DE AUSTRALIA Y SU "LISTA DE DESEOS"

La Armada de Australia ha escrito una especie de "lista de deseos" por valor de 4000 millones de dólares.
Principalmente, la Armada desea un tercer buque anfibio y un cuarto destructor antiaéreo como los que fabricará Navantia.
Además de los buques, la Armada quiere misiles Tomahawk para submarinos.
Estos requerimientos se entienden como una manera de presionar al Gobierno para que incluya estos medios en la edición del Libro Blanco de Defensa con los medios a adquirir para los próximos diez años. El Gobierno australiano ha decidido revisar los costes de Defensa para los próximos años, con la intención de recortar 1000 millones de dólares anuales del presupuesto.

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Aircraft carrier on navy's secret $4bn wish list

By Ian McPhedran

March 25, 2008 01:08am
Article from: The Daily Telegraph



THE Royal Australian Navy has produced a secret $4 billion "wish list" that includes an aircraft carrier, an extra air warfare destroyer and long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles for its submarine fleet.


The RAN wants a third 26,000 tonne amphibious ship equipped with vertical take-off jet fighters, a fourth $2 billion air warfare destroyer and cruise missiles that could strike targets thousands of kilometres away.

The list comes at a time when the RAN can barely find enough sailors to crew its existing fleet.


It also coincides with a Federal Government push to save $1 billion a year in defence costs as well as a government-ordered White Paper which will set the spending priorities for the next two decades.

According to insiders, the Government was unimpressed by the RAN's push for more firepower at a time when the Government is aiming to slash spending.

"The navy is out of control," one defence source said.

It is understood that the wish list was the final straw in the tense relationship between the Government and Chief of Navy Vice-Admiral Russ Shalders - who will be replaced in July by Rear Admiral Russell Crane.

Admiral Shalders last year also pushed hard for an expensive US-designed destroyer, but lost out to the cheaper, Spanish option.

Taxpayers will spend more than $11 billion to provide the RAN with the two 26,000-tonne amphibious ships and three air-warfare destroyers equipped with 48 vertical launch missiles.

The two big ships, known as Landing Helicopter Docks, are designed for amphibious assaults and will be fitted with helicopters and be capable of carrying more than 1000 troops and heavy vehicles such as tanks and trucks.

The RAN wants a third ship to carry vertical take-off fighter jets.

Its last aircraft carrier, HMAS Melbourne, was decommissioned in 1982 before being sold for scrap.

The latest ships are 10m longer and 8m wider than the Melbourne and will be built in Spain and fitted out at the Tenix shipyard in Melbourne.

The Spanish navy will carry 30 Harrier jump jets aboard its similar ships.

They will each cost more than $1.7 billion. The fighters would cost about $100 million each. The destroyers will cost about $2 billion each, taking the total cost to more than $4 billion.

Tomahawk cruise missiles cost about $1 million each and can carry a 450kg conventional or 200 kiloton nuclear warhead more than 2500km.

In the past Australia has stayed away from long-range strike missiles for fear of triggering a regional arms race.

The wish list is what the RAN would like to see make up part of the White Paper process which will later this year provide a strategic blueprint for the defence of the nation for the next 20 years.

That process will direct new spending worth more than $50 billion over the next 10 years.


http://www.defesabrasil.com/forum/viewt ... &start=165
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« Responder #22 em: Maio 14, 2008, 09:46:18 am »
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há uns tempos falou-se da possibilidade de um TERCEIRO BPE que teria mais funções de porta-aviões




Claro, 3 BPEs y 4 F100s, por pedir que no quede :roll:

Por cierto, tambien estan interesados en los Submarinos S80. Al final se llevaran media Armada Española  para las antipodas!

http://www.nuestromar.org/noticias/indu ... _india_con

De momento solo hay firmados (y me parece que ya es bastante) 02 Bpe y 03 F100s  . Creo que tambien 12 lanchas de desembarco para los Abrams M1

Lo que si es muy interesante es que utilizen uno de sus BPE como Portaaviones y compren  15 o 20  F35 en version VStol. Pasarian a tener una TF bastante poderosa.

A ver que hace la Royal Australian Navy al final
 

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« Responder #23 em: Julho 24, 2008, 05:43:25 pm »










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24 July 2008
Australian submarine first to fire new heavyweight torpedo

The Minister for Defence, the Hon. Joel Fitzgibbon MP, today congratulated the crew of the Australian submarine, HMAS Waller, for being the first submarine to successfully fire a new heavyweight torpedo that has been jointly developed by Australia and the United States (US).
The firing occurred during the Rim of the Pacific 2008 (RIMPAC 08) exercise, involving multiple navies off the coast of Hawaii between June and July. This controlled exercise resulted in the planned sinking of a retired US warship.

“This represents the first new heavyweight torpedo warshot to be fired by either Navy. Just as significant is the fact that the warshot torpedo was assembled in Australia,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.

The MK 48 Mod 7 Common Broadband Advanced Sonar System (CBASS) torpedo is the latest enhancement for the MK 48.

Considered the world’s premier submarine-launched torpedo, the MK 48 Mod 7 represents a superior capability against both surface ships and submarines with sonar enhancements that make the torpedo an effective weapon in shallow water and in a countermeasure environment.

The development of the CBASS torpedo has been achieved under an Armaments Cooperative Program between the United States Navy (USN) and the Royal Australian Navy (RAN). This partnership has established common requirements, interfaces, configurations and maintenance standards enabling any Australian or US submarine to load torpedoes prepared by any Australian or US torpedo maintenance facility.

This submarine partnership has also led to co-development of a new replacement combat system, which is being progressively integrated into USN nuclear submarines and RAN diesel-electric submarines.

This successful live fire exercise underscores the maturity of the joint torpedo and submarine combat system programs for the RAN and USN.
“For Australia in particular, this exercise has been a successful demonstration of the ongoing capability of the Collins Class submarine,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.
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« Responder #24 em: Julho 24, 2008, 06:18:04 pm »
Tudo muito bonito! É pena é eles só terem 3 guarnições para 6 submarinos :?

Depois veremos se este Mk48 Mod 7 é assim tão bom face aos DM2A4 e aos Black Shark.
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« Responder #25 em: Fevereiro 21, 2011, 11:44:16 am »

Navantia has launched the first of two new amphibious ships for the RAN; its superstructure will be added in Australia and it will be delivered in 2014. (Aus DoD photo)

   LHD Launch Paves the Way for Amphibious Transformation
   
   
(Source: Australian Department of Defence; issued Feb. 18, 2011)

The hull of the first of the Royal Australian Navy’s two new amphibious ships has been launched in Spain, heralding a new era for Australia’s amphibious capability.

Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Russ Crane led the launch and said the event was enormously significant.

“These ships are officially known as Landing Helicopter Docks or LHDs and are the largest the Australian Navy has ever owned,” Vice Admiral Crane said.

LHD01's hull launch was held at the Navantia dockyards at Ferrol in northern Spain with the event having a distinctly Australian feel, as children of Australian diplomats in Spain joined the official delegation, waving Australian flags. A Canberra regional sparkling wine was broken over the Canberra Class ship’s hull. Vicki Coates, wife of the late Rear Admiral Nigel Coates, who commanded the previous HMAS Canberra, was the ‘launch lady’.

Vice Admiral Crane said that with a new generation in technology would come a new way of thinking in terms of how Navy would operate and crew this new capability.

“We are well progressed in our planning for the LHD arrival. I am confident we will have the people and the knowhow by the time the first LHD comes on line. Most importantly for now, this project is on time and on budget.”

Both ships will be based at Garden Island in Sydney. Crewed by all three services, the LHD will mark a significant strengthening of the ADF’s amphibious capability and tri-service culture.

First of class, HMAS Canberra (LHD01) will arrive in Victoria next year where it will be fitted out before being accepted into service in 2014 with sister ship HMAS Adelaide (LHD02) to follow the year after. (ends)
   
   
   Launch of the First LHD Ship for Australia
   
   
(Source: Navantia; issued Feb. 17, 2011)
 
   
   (Issued in Spanish; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
 
 
   
   The “Canberra” received its first seawater christening in Ferrol, in the presence of the chief of the Royal Australian Navy, Vice Adm. Russell Crane.

Today at 15:46 hours, at its facility in Ferrol, Navantia launched the first of two amphibious ships for the Royal Australian Navy. Attending were Mrs. Vickie Coates, the ship’s godmother, the commander of the Royal Australian Navy, Vice Adm. Russell Crane, and representatives of the Commonwealth of Australia, BAE Systems and Navantia, including its new managing director, Luis Cacho Quesada.

Construction of this ship, which was launched two months earlier than scheduled, began with the first metal cut on Sept. 23, 2008, followed by laying of its keel 12 months later, on Sept. 23, 2009. This early launch will provide additional time for its fitting out and its sea trials, in the summer of 2012, after which the hull will be transported to Australia for completion and handover by BAE Systems Australia in Williamstown.

The contract for these two amphibious ships was awarded on Nov. 23, 2007 in Melbourne; they will be handed over to the customer in 2014 and 2015.

The design of the Australian LHDs is derived from that of the “Juan Carlos I,” delivered by Navantia to the Spanish navy last year. (ends)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... pain.html#
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« Responder #26 em: Fevereiro 23, 2011, 12:41:10 am »
 

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« Responder #27 em: Junho 10, 2011, 01:49:17 pm »
Not a single submarine seaworthy

    * EXCLUSIVE Cameron Stewart
    * From: The Australian
    * June 10, 2011 12:00AM

FOR the first time in a generation, Australia does not have a single submarine available to defend the nation today.

The Australian understands the entire fleet of six Collins-class submarines cannot be put to sea despite the navy's claim that two of them remain officially "operational".

The situation is so dire the navy is believed to have deferred major scheduled maintenance work on its most seaworthy submarine, HMAS Waller, in the hope that at least one submarine will be available in the coming weeks.

Not having a single task-ready submarine is an embarrassment for the navy, whose attempts to improve the performance of the $10 billion fleet have been stymied by breakdowns, accidents and the growing unreliability of the ageing vessels.

The navy claims two of its submarines, HMAS Waller and HMAS Dechaineux, are available, but insiders say the reality is that neither vessel could be put to sea today if required because each is undergoing detailed inspections for mechanical problems.

HMAS Dechaineux is in dock at HMAS Stirling in Perth for an intrusive inspection of its main motor after limping home from Singapore, where defects were found in its propulsion system.

It is understood Dechaineux will be unable to sail for at least several weeks.

HMAS Waller is also in dock at HMAS Stirling after engineers found signs of the same propulsion system problems that last month forced Dechaineux to withdraw from a five-nation defence exercise in the South China Sea.

It is understood that HMAS Waller will be unable to leave port until next week.

The other four subs are unavailable. HMAS Farncomb is out of the water at the submarine repair facility at Henderson near Perth as workers seek to replace a broken emergency propulsion unit.

HMAS Collins is undergoing scheduled maintenance at Henderson and is due out later this month, while HMAS Sheean and HMAS Rankin are both in long-term maintenance at the Australian Submarine Corporation in Adelaide.

The navy's plans to improve the reliability of the fleet are being undermined by the discovery of unexpected defects, especially with the propulsion system, as the submarines begin to age.

There is also a shortage of spare parts.

The navy has become increasingly evasive about the state of its submarine fleet and is restricting its public comments on the issue, citing national security.

However, critics say the navy has in the past been open about the availability of its submarines and that it is hiding behind claims of national security to avoid public scrutiny.

Defence declined to answer detailed questions from The Australian about submarine availability, saying only that two boats were in deep maintenance, two were in mid-level maintenance and two "are in the water in Western Australia".

The Australian understands HMAS Waller was originally scheduled to begin a mid-cycle docking maintenance for 12 months today, but that the navy has now deferred this plan for several months because so many other boats are out of action.

Opposition defence spokesman David Johnston criticised navy chiefs for being evasive about submarine availability during Senate estimates hearings in Canberra last week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6072631716
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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #28 em: Junho 10, 2011, 02:51:54 pm »
Mas as F-100 que vão para a Austrália são para substituir as Meko-200 que eles operam??

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« Responder #29 em: Junho 10, 2011, 04:09:11 pm »
Não, é para substituir a classe Adelaide (tipo Oliver Hazard Perry).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_class_frigate
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