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« Responder #15 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 12:51:30 pm »
Ou USD$950 (Elcan 3.5x)...
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« Responder #16 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 12:55:09 pm »
Luso..  a qualidade paga-se!!

 8)
Artigo 308º

Traição à Pátria

Quem, por meio de violência, ameaça de violência, usurpação ou abuso de funções de soberania:

a) Tentar separar da Mãe-Pátria, ou entregar a país estrangeiro ou submeter à soberania estrangeira, todo o território português ou parte dele
 

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« Responder #17 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 12:58:09 pm »
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Luso.. a qualidade paga-se!!


É verdade.
Então mais vale ir para o StGw90.
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« Responder #18 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 01:20:12 pm »
PT, tem que escrever um artigo sobre esta temática no seu site! :wink:
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« Responder #19 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 03:36:53 pm »
Já ouvi chamar ao StGw90 a Rolls-Royce das espingardas de assalto. Concordo com Luso, já que se esperou tanto tempo, convinha adquirir um produto o mais moderno possível...
 

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« Responder #20 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 04:28:29 pm »
Já agora: tinha ideia que a Sig 550/551 também iria entrar no concurso de aquisição de armas ligeiras. Mas pelos vistos não.  :roll:

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« Responder #21 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 04:30:47 pm »
Seria certamente a mais cara...
Aos meus olhos a G36 é que apresenta a melhor relação qualidade-preço.
E uma das que permite montar mais tralhas...
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« Responder #22 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 04:38:52 pm »
:lol:
 

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« Responder #23 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 05:07:28 pm »
O que é que o nosso Legionnaire utilizava?
O que nos diz do Famas?
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« Responder #24 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 05:29:28 pm »
o FAMAS é a pior arma que deve de haver com a SA80,
por esse motivo existe em cada "groupe combat" secção 1 atirador com FRF1 em 7.62mm.
na legião quando o 2REP salto em paraquedas em Kolwezi(zaire) os para-legionarios servirem-se muito de AK47/G3 capturadas

Para mim o problema da 5.56 em que "não elimina um adversario com uma so munição" o que pode torna-se muito perigoso,outro aspecto é no combate urbano a 5.56 não "fura" um muro(exemplo).
 

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« Responder #25 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 05:40:37 pm »
quero aqui lembrar o que levou a Nato a desenvolver o calibre 5.56,
nessa altura pensava-se que o mais eficaz em combate(durante guerra fria) era que se devia preferir os feridos em vez de matar, porquê?
-simples:
- 1 ferido é preciso evacua-lo,portanto é preciso ,enfermeiros, maqueiros etc...
-1 morto não necessita nada(infelizmente claro)
-leva-se mais munições, e a arma é mais leve(mais fragil tambem)

No entanto contra terroristas ou guerrilha, não acredito que eles se preoccupem com os feridos(allah é grande e dà 70 virgems!)
por esse motivo a 7.62 e a melhor!
 

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« Responder #26 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 06:50:03 pm »
O combate em áreas urbanas é o tipo de conflito que se espera que seja o dominante no século XXI. Este tipo de combate provoca um alto consumo de munições. Por isso o calibre 5.56 ainda é o favorito.

Um artigo muito bom sobre combate em areas urbanas:

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Fighting In Built Up Areas

Fighting in built up areas, or FIBUA for short, is a vital skill for the modern soldier. Some of the most bloody and decisive battles in recent times have been fought in towns and cities.

Built up areas are favoured by weaker forces, who can even the odds by drawing conventional infantry into a maze of rubble, high rise buildings, sewers, tunnels and cellars, and so reduce the disparity in combat power.

When the fighting moves into a built-up area, a whole new set of factors come into play. Buildings, dust and rubble block visibility and fields of fire. Actions are fought at section level, and even man to man. There is a high consumption of ammunition, and radio communications are difficult with screening from tall buildings.

For both defending and attacking troops, there are a number of common factors. The soldiers will be under considerable stress and will need special training for urban operations.

One factor that must never be overlooked is the humanitarian one. Combat in built-up areas is fought in the homes and businesses of the civil population. Looting and unnecessary damage to buildings will alienate the population. There are also sound operational reasons for avoiding these: rubble blocks routes and gives the enemy more cover, while looting alienates the population and soldiers may lose the momentum of an assault and discard military equipment to carry their loot.

Many major battles and even campaigns have centred around a city or industrial area. In World War II battles were fought in the streets, factories and sewers at Stalingrad in 1942, Warsaw in 1939, 1943 and 1944, Berlin and Manila in 1945. In 1950 there was a severe fight for Seoul during the Korean war, and Beirut was a battleground in 1958 and from 1975 to 1982.

The Hungarian people rose against the Soviet forces and fought in Budapest in 1956. During the Vietnam War US and South Vietnamese troops fought in Hue during the Tet Offensive of 1968. In the early 1990s, as Yugoslavia collapsed into civil war, towns became battlegrounds and Sarajevo endured a sustained siege by Serb forces.

In the 21st Century fighting in built up areas will continue to be a form of combat favoured by weaker forces.

Defence

What should you look for in a building when you are preparing to defend a built-up area? It must have good fields of fire and command the routes taht the enemy is likely to take into the city. It must also be strong - many modern buildings have thin walls fixed to a steel or concrete frame, and may even have large windows.
The ideal building is made from stone, brick, or with strong reinforced concrete structure. It has more than one floor, and a basement: the upper floors will absorb artillery and mortar fire, while the basement can be used for treating casualties and storing food, water and ammunition.

Before any fighting begins the building should be prepared for defence. This will include removing all glass, which an explosion will turn into lethal projectiles. Chicken wire is fixed inside the windows to prevent grenades being thrown in. In a domestic home the net curtains are left in place, since they screen movement inside. Alternatively, hessian can be nailed to window frames.

The house or building is reinforced with timbers supporting the floors inside. Sandbags are used to block the front door, thicken walls and floors to protect against small arms fire and fragments, and to construct bunkers inside the building. These bunkers provide protection for machine gun crews and are set about one and a half metres back from the window. Although the gunners may have a restricted field of fire, the flash, smoke or dust from the weapon firing will not be seen from outside.

Other embrasures for riflemen can be made in the roof, under the eaves, or by knocking out single bricks. Anti-tank weapons may be sited to engage enemy armour from above, where it will hit the thinner top armour.

The infantry and anti-tank weapons will be sited to give a vertically and horizontally layered defence. The enemy can be further confused if fake embrasures are painted onto walls using black paint, and if unoccupied buildings are made to look as if they have been prepared for defence.

Window sills should be blocked by boards studded with nails. The stairs can be sawn down or strung with barbed wire, and doors studded with nails. Within the house, movement between floors will be by a ladder to a hole in the upper floor - in room-to-room fighting this ladder can be removed.

Barbed wire can be incorporated into existing natural obstacles like hedges, fences and walls, and used to block access from the roof. Drainpipes and creepers which may be used by attackers to reach the roof should be removed. In Beirut, street fighters would often leave the electric power on in a neighbouring building, with bare wires dangling as a hazard for enemy troops who might use it to form up for an attack.

Before fighting starts, water should be collected in all available containers, inclusing domestic baths and sinks, since it may be needed to fight fires as well as keeping soldiers replenished in the hot and dusty conditions of a building under attack.

Mines, both anti-tank and anti-personnel, as well as booby traps, can be used to funnel men and vehicles into killing grounds as well as slowing down attacks and blocking the approaches to defended buildings.

Defenders should always contest ground to the limit, but only a certain type of suicidal fanatic will want to die for it. Exits and entrances, either through walls into adjoining buildings or into sewers, will allow men to move around and so maximise the effect of their weapons as well as enabling them to withdraw if enemy fire is too heavy.

As with any defence, the most effective tactics are not to be passive but to engage the enemy with fighting patrols and screens of infantry and armour that can they withdraw into the city after causing casualties to the enemy. The aim of these groups is to prevent the enemy building up a picture of the defences and obstacles they are going to encounter, as well as degrading the combat power and morale of the enemy forces before they reach the main defences.

Interestingly air power, which has been a decisive factor in most late 20th Century wars, is often of less value in fighting in built-up areas - as demonstrated by Nato air strikes in support of UN operations in Bosnia. Though air power can be used to reduce the flow of supplies and reinforcements being directed towards a city, once the two sides are locked into combat, the ranges are so close that it is very hard for either attack helicopters or fixed wing aircraft to deliver their ordnance accurately without killing or injuring friendly forces.

Attack

For the attackers, the aim will be to take the city in 'bite-sized' chunks - in other words, attacking a block or building, clearing and securing it, and moving on to the next one. The most dangerous situation is to be drawn deep in among buildings where the enemy can ambush the attack and roll it up.
Anti-tank weapons, the main armament of Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) or Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) can be used to blast positions with direct fire. This not only kills or stuns the defenders, but also allows the attacking soldiers access to the building through holes blasted in the walls.

Other specialised equipment includes Bangalore Torpedoes for clearing barbed wire, satchel charges for blasting strongpoints, and flame throwers. Flame throwers kill by burning, but also consume oxygen in cellars and bunkers. Bursts of flame can be 'bounced' around corners, and enemy positions can be attacked by a 'wet' shot followed by a 'dry'. A wet shot is unignited fuel squirted through a window or embrasure; a dry one is burning fuel. A wet shot alone can be enough to persuade defenders it is time to surrender.

Flame weapons can also be used by defenders, and probably the oldest and simplest is the petrol bomb. It consists of a glass bottle with petrol, a thickener and a wick. The wick is lit just before the bomb is thrown. When it hits a vehicle, wall or other hard surface the glass breaks, and the thickened burning petrol splashes over the target and surrounding area.

Smoke and CS grenades can be used to flush out men in cellars and sewers, while white phosphorous grenades can be used to create smoke or as an anti-personnel weapon.

Ideally a building should be cleared from the top downwards. This means that soldiers should develop skills akin to those of a mountaineer - ladders, grapnels and ropes as well as the tricks of the assault course are used to get men into windows or onto roofs.

The US army has included heliborne operations, with helicopters landing or troops abseiling or fast-roping onto flat roofs. Once in the upper floors, grenades are dropped into rooms and cellars below - when they are thrown upwards, they have a nasty habit of falling back towards the thrower!

Immediately after the grenade has exploded, a soldier will burst into the room with his rifle on automatic fire, and keeping his back to the wall will killor neutralise and surviving defenders. He will then shout "Room clear!". It is marked as clear, and the assaulting force moves on.

If possible the attackers should not expose themselves on the streets or open spaces, which will have been turned into 'killing grounds' by the defenders.

Fieldcraft skills for both attackers and defenders include keeping back in the shadows away from windows, looking round corners at ground level, and avoiding creating a silhouette or shadow where walls and windows make straight lines.

One way of moving through a built-up area is by using back gardens or sewers, or by blasting holes through adjoining walls - known euphemistically as 'mouseholing'. A basic knowledge of building design is useful since it allows attackers to locate the weaker walls for mouseholing.

While attackers do not want to be drawn into traps, or run ahead of their casualty evacuation and ammunition re-supply, they do need to keep the pressure on the enemy, since halts will allow the enemy to regroup, infiltrate or counter-attack.

For both attackers and defenders, fighting in built-up areas produces very high rates of ammunition consumption. Ranges can be very short - literally room to room - so casualties can also be high.

Sewers, underground railways and service tunnels can be used to move men and their supplies and ammunition forward under cover.


http://www.combat-online.com/

Continuando...

DN: "As autoridades prevêem que pelo menos oito fabricantes se apresentem a concurso: a Styer (Austria/Suíça), a Sig Sauer (Áustria), a FN Herstal (Bélgica), a HK (Alemanha), a Colt (EUA), a Diemaco (Canadá), a IMI (Israel) e a Singapore Technologies Engineering (Singapura)."
 

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« Responder #27 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 09:14:49 pm »
A sério, Notepad?
Prometes??? :D
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« Responder #28 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 09:48:25 pm »
É sim! (dois cartuchos 5.56) :wink:
Após ganhar posso preferir a sua irlandesazinha?


E faz recarga, o nosso Notepad?
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« Responder #29 em: Dezembro 19, 2004, 09:56:26 pm »
Citação de: "NotePad"
Todos já sabem a minha posiçao neste assunto, G-36, mesmo assim refiro, colt, diemaco etc são armas relativamente ultrapassadas. Alias o DAE trocou as suas colt CAR-15 pelas G-36 o rescom trocou as G-3SG1 por G-36, a propria ida da G-36 para o iraque com a GNR foi uma especie de teste final no terreno à arma que de todas as consideradas na minha opinião é a melhor. Agora é assim se alguem quiser meter-se atraz de um muro eu e a minha SL-8 disparamos contra o muro, se furar quero a herança se não ofereço a minha sl8! alguem alinha? 5,56 e pouco potente comparado com 7,62 mas não e assim tao fraco... 7,62 e muito bom mas e melhor para armas de apoio de fogo ou metralhadoras ligeiras. nunca para arma individual, porque aqui e muito giro mas andar de G-3 e muniçoes jáo não e tão engraçado. Depois chega-se a altura que e preciso disparar e do cansaço nem se consegue levantar a arma...e pimba tas morto.


A minha escolha seria tambem a G36,mas repito, deve-se conservar algumas 7.62 dentro do pelotão em metrelhadoras ligeiras.

OK NotePad :wink:
 

 

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