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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #30 em: Setembro 07, 2013, 02:46:15 pm »
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/05/2 ... isomJH9W_Q

Russia gave UN 100-page report in July blaming Syrian rebels for Aleppo sarin attack
By Matthew Schofield | McClatchy Foreign Staff


This image provided by Shaam News Network, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, purports to show dead bodies after an attack on Ghouta, Syria on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013. | Uncredited/AP




BERLIN — Russia says a deadly March sarin attack in an Aleppo suburb was carried out by Syrian rebels, not forces loyal to President Bashar Assad, and it has delivered a 100-page report laying out its evidence to the United Nations.

A statement posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry website late Wednesday said the report included detailed scientific analysis of samples that Russian technicians collected at the site of the alleged attack, Khan al Asal in northern Syria. The attack killed 26 people.

A U.N. spokesman, Farhan Haq, confirmed that Russia delivered the report in July.

The report itself was not released. But the statement drew a pointed comparison between what it said was the scientific detail of the report and the far shorter intelligence summaries that the United States, Britain and France have released to justify their assertion that the Syrian government launched chemical weapons against Damascus suburbs on Aug. 21. The longest of those summaries, by the French, ran nine pages. Each relies primarily on circumstantial evidence to make its case, and they disagree with one another on some details, including the number of people who died in the attack.

The Russian statement warned the United States and its allies not to conduct a military strike against Syria until the United Nations had completed a similarly detailed scientific study into the Aug. 21 attack. It charged that what it called the current “hysteria” about a possible military strike in the West was similar to the false claims and poor intelligence that preceded the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Russia said its investigation of the March 19 incident was conducted under strict protocols established by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international agency that governs adherence to treaties prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. It said samples that Russian technicians had collected had been sent to OPCW-certified laboratories in Russia.

“The Russian report is specific,” the ministry statement said. “It is a scientific and technical document.”

The Russian statement said Russian officials had broken the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons’ code of silence on such probes only because Western nations appear to be “preparing the ground for military action” in retaliation for the Aug. 21 incident.

A U.N. team spent four days late last month investigating the Aug. 21 incident. The samples it collected from the site and alleged victims of the attack are currently being examined at the chemical weapons organization’s labs in Europe. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has urged the United States to delay any strike until after the results of that investigation are known. But U.S. officials have dismissed the U.N. probe, saying it won’t tell them anything they don’t already know.

White House spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said U.S. officials were unmoved by the Russian report and held the Assad government responsible for both the Khan al Asal attack in March and the Aug. 21 attack outside Damascus.

“We have studied the Russian report but have found no reason to change our assessment,” she said.

Independent chemical weapons experts contacted by McClatchy said they were not familiar with the report and had not read the Russian statement, which was posted as Secretary of State John Kerry was appearing before the House Foreign Affairs Committee to make the Obama administration’s case for a retaliatory strike on Syria as punishment for the August attack. But they were cautious about the details made public in the Russian statement.

Richard Guthrie, formerly project leader of the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, said the Russian statement on the makeup of the sarin found at Khan al Asal, which the Russians indicated was not military grade, might reflect only that “there are a lot of different ways to make sarin.”

He added: “The messy mix described by the Russians might also be the result of an old sarin stock being used. Sarin degrades (the molecules break up) over time and this would explain a dirty mix.”

He also said there could be doubts about the Russian conclusion that the rockets that delivered the sarin in the March 19 incident were not likely to have come from Syrian military stocks because of their use of RDX, an explosive that is also known as hexogen and T4.

“Militaries don’t tend to use it because it’s too expensive,” Guthrie said. He added in a later email, however, that it’s not inconceivable that the Syrian military would use RDX “if the government side was developing a semi-improvised short-range rocket” and “if there happened to be a stock available.”

“While I would agree that it would be unlikely for a traditional, well-planned short-range rocket development program to use RDX in that role, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that, as the Syrian government did not seem to have an earlier short-range rocket program, it may have been developing rockets with some haste and so using materials that are at hand,” he wrote.

Jean Pascal Zanders, a leading expert on chemical weapons who until recently was a senior research fellow at the European Union’s Institute for Security Studies, questioned a Russian assertion that the sarin mix appeared to be a Western World War II vintage.

“The Western Allies were not aware of the nerve agents until after the occupation of Germany,” he wrote in an email. “The USA, for example, struggled with the sarin (despite having some of the German scientists) until the 1950s, when the CW program expanded considerably.”

The Russian Foreign Ministry posted the statement shortly after Russian President Vladimir Putin had asked a Russian interviewer what the American reaction would be if evidence showed that Syrian rebels, not the Assad regime, had been behind a chemical weapons attack.

The report dealt with an incident that occurred March 19 in Khan al Asal, outside Aleppo, in which 26 people died and 86 were sickened. It was that incident that the U.N. team now probing the Aug. 21 attack was originally assigned to investigate, and the Russian statement noted that the investigation had been sidetracked by the sudden focus on the later incident.

Haq, the U.N. spokesman, acknowledged that the most recent attack “has pushed the investigation of the Aleppo incident to the back burner for now.” But he said that “the inspectors will get back to it as soon as is possible.”

The statement’s summary of the report said that neither the munitions nor the poison gas in the Khan al Asal attack appeared to fit what is possessed by the Syrian government. The statement said Russian investigators studied the site, sent the materials they found to study to the Russian laboratories of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, and followed agreed-upon United Nations investigation standards.

According to the statement, the report said the shell “was not regular Syrian army ammunition but was an artisan-type similar to unguided rocket projectiles produced in the north of Syria by the so-called gang ‘Bashair An-Nasr.’”

The Russian analysis found soil and shell samples contained a sarin gas “not synthesized in an industrial environment,” the statement said. The report said the chemical mix did not appear to be a modern version of the deadly agent but was closer to those “used by Western states for producing chemical weapons during World War II.”

The statement said the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons team had examined Syrian soldiers injured in the March attack and said that no reaction to the more recent alleged chemical account should be considered without also considering that the rebels, too, have used chemical weapons.

“It is obvious that any objective investigation of the incident on Aug. 21 in East Ghouta is impossible without considering the circumstances of the March attack,” the statement said. Ghouta is the area near Damascus where the Aug. 21 attack took place.

(Lesley Clark contributed to this report from St. Petersburg, Russia.)
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #31 em: Setembro 07, 2013, 07:06:01 pm »



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CWC_Participation.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

Desde a ultima convenção da CWC (não me venham dizer que também fazem parte dos conspiradores contra os EUA e UN... :G-beer2:
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #32 em: Setembro 07, 2013, 08:47:48 pm »
John Kerry diz que não atuar é um risco maior do que a intervenção militar


O secretário de Estado norte-americano, John Kerry, afirmou hoje que não intervir em resposta ao ataque com armas químicas na Síria atribuído ao regime de Bashar al-Assad seria "um risco maior" do que a própria ação militar.

Kerry, que se reuniu hoje com o seu homólogo francês, Laurent Fabius, insistiu que esta crise afeta a segurança dos norte-americanos, em particular pelo risco de disseminação de armas químicas entre grupos terroristas e que o ataque que os Estados Unidos estão a planear será curto, seletivo, sem tropas no terreno, mas com "uma mensagem clara".

O chefe da diplomacia norte-americana precisou que o Presidente Barack Obama ainda não decidiu se vai esperar pela apresentação do relatório por parte dos peritos das Nações Unidas que estiveram no terreno a recolher provas do ataque com armas químicas de 21 de agosto que provocou centenas de mortos.

O Presidente francês, François Hollande, já manifestou disponibilidade para apoiar o ataque norte-americano, mas referiu que vai esperar pelo relatório dos peritos.

"A ausência de ação supõe um risco mais grave que a própria ação", afirmou Kerry, reafirmando que o que pretende não é uma guerra e que "a única forma de acabar com o conflito sírio passa por uma solução política e não militar".

Trata-se de "reduzir a capacidade de Al-Assad de utilizar armas químicas" e garantir que não volta a usá-las. "Não podemos deixar que um ditador use as armas mais horríveis. Há que dar uma resposta seletiva e limitada, embora clara", disse.

Kerry disse ainda que um certo número de países -- um número de dois dígitos -- está preparado para integrar uma ação militar. Temos mais países preparados para uma ação militar do que aqueles a que é preciso recorrer numa intervenção deste tipo.

Por seu lado, Laurent Fabius congratulou-se pelo "largo e crescente apoio" a uma "resposta forte" ao uso de armas químicas na Síria, destacando o apoio da União Europeia e do Conselho de Cooperação do Golfo.

O conflito na Síria já provocou mais de 110 mil mortos desde março de 2011, de acordo com as Nações Unidas.

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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #33 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:20:58 am »
Os teoricos da conspiração nem sequer percebem que na maioria dos casos umas afirmações acabam por confirmar exactamente o contrário do que pretendem afirmar.

Segundo o pretenso relatório, que alegadamente os russos teriam entregue e que é referido por um site na internet, afirma que os rebeldes utilizaram armas quimicas (gás Sarin) em Aleppo.

Curiosamente, o ataque com armas químicas provocou 26 vítimas, segundo os russos.

Mas quando alguém vem lembrar que é necessária uma enorme estrutura para realizar um ataque químico que mata 1400 pessoas e que os rebeldes não conseguiriam montar tal ofensiva ...



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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #34 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:43:29 am »
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Os teoricos da conspiração nem sequer percebem que na maioria dos casos umas afirmações acabam por confirmar exactamente o contrário do que pretendem afirmar.

Segundo o pretenso relatório, que alegadamente os russos teriam entregue e que é referido por um site na internet, afirma que os rebeldes utilizaram armas quimicas (gás Sarin) em Aleppo.

Curiosamente, o ataque com armas químicas provocou 26 vítimas, segundo os russos.

Mas quando alguém vem lembrar que é necessária uma enorme estrutura para realizar um ataque químico que mata 1400 pessoas e que os rebeldes não conseguiriam montar tal ofensiva ...
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Julgava que quanto a isso estava tudo dito. Se os sistemas lançadores e os foguetes são extensas modificações de equipamento Iraniano. Agora isso não implica que em aleppo tenham sido os rebeldes a usar gás sarin, o qual pode ser carregado  em qualquer projectil de artilharia... :mrgreen:) que o indicia enquanto alerta para os 10 principais perigos de uma intervenção americana correr mal na Siria.  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/05/10-things-that-could-go-very-wrong-if-we-attack-syria/
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #35 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:45:29 am »
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #36 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:47:58 am »
Congress Members Who Have Seen Classified Evidence About Syria Say It Fails to Prove Anything

Posted on September 7, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog   



Classified Syria Intelligence Fails to Prove Assad Used Chemical Weapons

The administration’s public case for chemical weapons use by the Syrian government is extremely weak, and former high-level intelligence officers say that publicly-available information proves that the Syrian government likely did not carry out the chemical weapons attacks.

The Obama administration claims that classified intelligence proves that it was the Assad government which carried out the attacks.

But numerous congressional members who have seen the classified intelligence information says that it is no better than the public war brief … and doesn’t prove anything.

Congressman Justin Amash  said last week:

    What I heard in Obama admn briefing actually makes me more skeptical of certain significant aspects of Pres’s case for attacking

He noted yesterday, after attending another classified briefing and reviewing more classified materials:

    Attended another classified briefing on #Syria & reviewed add’l materials. Now more skeptical than ever. Can’t believe Pres is pushing war.

Congressman Tom Harkin said:

    I have just attended a classified Congressional briefing on Syria that quite frankly raised more questions than it answered. I found the evidence presented by Administration officials to be circumstantial.

Congressman Michael Burgess said:

    Yes, I saw the classified documents. They were pretty thin.

Yahoo News reports:

    New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, for instance, left Thursday’s classified hearing and said she was opposed to the effort “now so more than ever.”

    “I think there’s a long way to go for the president to make the case,” she said after the briefing. “It does seem there is a high degree of concern and leaning no.”

Senator Joe Manchin announced he was voting “no” for a Syria strike right after hearing a classified intelligence brieifng.

Congressman Alan Grayson points out in the New York Times:

    The documentary record regarding an attack on Syria consists of just two papers: a four-page unclassified summary and a 12-page classified summary. The first enumerates only the evidence in favor of an attack. I’m not allowed to tell you what’s in the classified summary, but you can draw your own conclusion. [I.e. it was no more impressive than the 4-page public version.]

    On Thursday I asked the House Intelligence Committee staff whether there was any other documentation available, classified or unclassified. Their answer was “no.”

    The Syria chemical weapons summaries are based on several hundred underlying elements of intelligence information. The unclassified summary cites intercepted telephone calls, “social media” postings and the like, but not one of these is actually quoted or attached — not even clips from YouTube. (As to whether the classified summary is the same, I couldn’t possibly comment, but again, draw your own conclusion.)

    ***

    And yet we members are supposed to accept, without question, that the proponents of a strike on Syria have accurately depicted the underlying evidence, even though the proponents refuse to show any of it to us or to the American public.

    In fact, even gaining access to just the classified summary involves a series of unreasonably high hurdles.

    We have to descend into the bowels of the Capitol Visitors Center, to a room four levels underground. Per the instructions of the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, note-taking is not allowed.

    Once we leave, we are not permitted to discuss the classified summary with the public, the media, our constituents or even other members. Nor are we allowed to do anything to verify the validity of the information that has been provided.

    And this is just the classified summary. It is my understanding that the House Intelligence Committee made a formal request for the underlying intelligence reports several days ago. I haven’t heard an answer yet. And frankly, I don’t expect one.

    ***

    By refusing to disclose the underlying data even to members of Congress, the administration is making it impossible for anyone to judge, independently, whether that statement is correct.

The rush to war based upon skewed intelligence is very similar to Iraq.
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #37 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 02:15:54 am »
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A questão mantém-se

O que querem aqueles que não querem fazer nada ?


O clã putin quer defender/preservar os seus interesses. Acham que também têm direito a uma fatia do bolo.

Mas contra quem é que o regime sírio luta hoje? A síria tornou-se um antro de extremistas islâmicos. Os E.U.A. não estão a enfrentar o verdadeiro inimigo, vão apoiá-lo  :mrgreen:
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #38 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 03:21:46 am »
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O clã putin quer defender/preservar os seus interesses. Acham que também têm direito a uma fatia do bolo.

E um deles é a base naval no mediterrâneo. Sem ela ficam novamente trancados no Mar Negro.

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Já compraram a máscara?  :twisted:
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #39 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 11:41:37 am »
Um dos problemas com que nos deparamos é a profusão de informação não verificada e as conclusões apressadas, que inevitavelmente levam a resultados distorcidos.



Em primeiro lugar
Os americanos controlam o mediterrâneo onde e quando quiserem. A marinha americana é mais poderosa que as cinco ou seis marinhas seguintes todas juntas.

Em segundo lugar
Não existem bases russas na Síria, pelo menos da maneira que estamos habituados a pensar em bases americanas.
Os russos têm facilidades portuárias em dois portos e um aeroporto.
Não é nada que eles não possam conseguir em Chipre, para dar um exemplo

Em terceiro lugar
A Russia está encerrada no Mar Negro. Depende em absoluto da autorização da Turquia para atravessar o Bósforo. Isso não muda se os russos tiverem facilidades na Síria nem mesmo se eles tivessem ali uma base naval, que não têm.

Em quarto lugar
Os americanos têm sido acusados de cobardia por uns e de vontade de atacar cega por outros, esquecendo-nos todos de que a Síria não tem suficiente petroleo para que valha a pena gastar um Tomahawk que seja.

Em quinto lugar
Esquecemos que embora sem estar pacificada a Líbia não está em guerra civil. Tentamos comparar o Iraque com a Síria, mas convenientemente não comparamos com a Líbia.
Esquecemos todos que se não fosse a intervenção estrangeira, Kadafi tinha arrasado Benghazi, conforme ele mesmo afirmou.

Em sexto lugar
Estamos sempre a esquecer o principal problema na região, que é religioso e étnico. Há tensões entre os otomanos, os persas e os árabes e essas tensões não são de agora são de há milénios.
A Pérsia sempre teve a intenção de atingir o mediterrâneo, os árabes do golfo continuam a achar que quem manda em Meca deve mandar no mundo Árabe ou no mundo muçulmano nomeadamente sunita e os turcos continuam a sonhar com a reconstituição de uma esfera de influência triangular, cujos vértices são a Belgrado, Meca e Tripoli.

Nos países ocidentais, considera-se que a democracia é um valor universal, pelo que passados todos estes anos desde as independências árabes, faz sentido apoiar os povos que mostrem pretender libertar-se de regimes genocidas.
O problema com o regime sírio, não é ser socialista e anti-democrático. O problema é que se transformou num regime genocida. O governo é odiado por 80% da população (sunitas), tolerado por 10% (cristãos e outras religiões) e apoiado por outros 10% (alauitas).

Bashar Al Assad, como Kadafi, chegou ao fim da linha e é necessário entender isso.
A questão das armas químicas é importante, mas do meu ponto de vista é secundária. O Assad matou 1400 pessoas quando ordenou o bombardeamento das áreas a oeste do seu complexo de palácios, mas por causa da guerra já morreram mais de 100.000 e 6 milhões encontram-se deslocados.

Esta é a maior catástrofe humanitária do século XXI. Não e uma possibilidade, não é algo que pode acontecer, é algo que aconteceu e está a acontecer quando lemos estas palavras.

O que virá depois de Assad não sabemos. Pode até haver problemas com os terroristas islâmicos, mas é mais facil lidar com grupos terroristas que com um ditador enfurecido, raivoso e rancoroso.
 

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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #40 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:10:49 pm »
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #41 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 12:14:26 pm »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... warns.html

Rebels 'too disorganised' to take over after attack on Syria, report warns

American air strikes against the Syrian government would not allow rebels to topple Bashar al-Assad because opposition fighters are too fragmented and disorganised, an intelligence analysis warns.



Planners are considering bombing strikes from B52s or B2 stealth jets (pictured) based in the US Photo: AFP/GETTY

By Ben Farmer
7:15AM BST 08 Sep 2013


The two-year-old uprising against the Damascus regime has broken down into countless battlefields fought over by a “vast array” of different rebel groups.

Rebel fighters may be able to make local gains behind a barrage of missile strikes, but are unlikely to overthrow Assad’s government.

The analysis from IHS Jane’s, a defence consultancy, comes as American military planners have been told to widen a list of potential targets for a more ambitious campaign of strikes.

President Barack Obama is now considering using long-range bombers to hit Assad’s forces harder and ensure they are unable to launch more chemical weapons attacks like the one that killed up to 1,400 people in an east Damascus suburb.

Charles Lister, author of the analysis, said: “The Syrian conflict has seen a vast array of armed groups emerge across the country.

“While it is perfectly feasible that localised insurgent groupings could take advantage of strikes that target government air assets and key artillery positions, it is unlikely that this will lead to a nationwide surge in opposition victories and any perceivable imminent overthrow of the government.”

The US has five guided-missile destroyers and at least one submarine in the eastern Mediterranean, each loaded with cruise missiles.

Planners are also considering bombing strikes from B52s or B2 stealth jets based in the US, which would be able to jam or evade Syria’s air defences.

A hit list being drawn up in Washington is reported to exceed more than 50 possible targets in Syria.

Top of the list are branches of the government’s secretive research centre where the regime is believed to develop chemical and biological weapons. There are laboratories in Damascus, Homs, Latika and Hama. Missiles will also hit the units thought to have fired chemical weapons.

Stockpiles of the weapons, which include mustard gas and sarin, will be avoided because of the risk of deadly leaks into civilian areas or of jihadist rebels stealing shells from shattered bunkers.

Other targets include command centres of the Syrian army, defence ministry, and intelligence agencies in Damascus.

Mr Obama may also add airfields to the list, said Jeremy Binnie, also of IHS Jane’s. He said: “Some US politicians appear to want the strike to be aimed at more conclusively degrading the capabilities of the Syrian military, thereby swinging the balance of power in favour of the insurgents. In these circumstances, airbases would be a likely target.” Smashing runways at key airbases including Tiyas, Dumayr and Mezzeh would ground Syria’s fast jets and stop planes bringing supplies from Iran.

More effective could be destroying the Russian-made helicopter gunships used to attack rebels, or the transport helicopters supplying bases.


One of Syria’s Russian-built Scud launchers

America is also likely to target mobile artillery, including Syria’s fleet of around 50 Russian-built Scud missile launchers (above). Dozens were reported to have been seen on the move last week from Qalamoun, near Damascus, to unknown locations. The missiles they carry, mostly manufactured in Syria, have a maximum range of 200 miles. Rebels also want attacks on the government’s elite forces, commanded by Assad’s younger brother, Maher.

Maher has been accused of authorising the August 21 gas attack on the Ghouta suburb of Damascus and his 4th Armoured Division and Republican Guard form the core of the security forces. The division of up to 25,000 soldiers is well trained and equipped, and is responsible for security around the capital. It is fanatically loyal to the Assad family.

US commanders have said the delay as Congress debates attacks has given them more time to find targets.

It may have given them time to track the mobile launchers used to fire Scud missiles. Destroying these would help prevent an attack on Turkey, Jordan, Israel or even Cyprus.

But the pause has also given Assad time to prepare for any onslaught by hiding troops and equipment.

Opposition groups warn he has moved equipment to civilian neighbourhoods and placed prisoners in military sites as human shields.

Michael Stephens, a research analyst at the Royal United Services Institute in Doha, said: “Assad has been moving a lot of things around recently. We have seen a lot of troop movements in central Damascus, particularly into civilian areas.”

If the strikes are successful, they could bring Assad to the negotiating table, US officials believe. Samantha Power, US ambassador to the United Nations, said: “This operation combined with ongoing efforts to upgrade the military capabilities of the moderate opposition should reduce the regime’s faith that they can kill their way to victory.”

Dr Alan George, of St Antony’s College, Oxford, said the Assad regime was not interested in a peace deal.

He said: “Assuming they really are narrowly focused, the strikes will not alter the fundamental balance of power between the regime and its opponents.”
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #42 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 01:47:39 pm »
Syria’s Chemical Weapons:
Issues for Congress

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R42848.pdf
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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #43 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 04:14:40 pm »
Citação de: "papatango"
Um dos problemas com que nos deparamos é a profusão de informação não verificada e as conclusões apressadas, que inevitavelmente levam a resultados distorcidos.

É um problema para todos, inclusive quem apoia a intervenção norte-americana. Ou serão as informações dos EUA 100% seguras? Enganaram-se bem quanto à Líbia (ora vamos lá deixar o Iraque... :shock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Civil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur

Citação de: "papatango"
O que virá depois de Assad não sabemos. Pode até haver problemas com os terroristas islâmicos, mas é mais facil lidar com grupos terroristas que com um ditador enfurecido, raivoso e rancoroso.

Notou-se no 11 de Setembro. E até o Bin Laden era considerado um individuo amistoso (tanto que foi apoiado pelos EUA no Afeganistão). O problema foi quando os EUA pisaram solo saudita.


E o que veio depois foram "apenas" 66 000 mortos americanos e qualquer coisa como 1 022 000 iraquianos e entre 10,960 e 49,600 no Afeganistão. Portanto foi e ainda é tudo um mar de facilidades... :shock:

http://costsofwar.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
"Nunca, no campo dos conflitos humanos, tantos deveram tanto a tão poucos." W.Churchil

http://mimilitary.blogspot.pt/
 

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Re: Guerra na Síria
« Responder #44 em: Setembro 08, 2013, 08:34:37 pm »
Citação de: "mafets"
Também à as fotos. Rapaziada jeitosa! Achavam que era só o Assad...:shock:


Sobre Policias.


Sobre facções rivais.



A comerem as tropas governamentais mortas.


A executarem militares capturados.


Até já temos as crianças soldados.

P.S - Entretanto ando entretido com este blog. Doutrinas à parte é interessante... :wink:
http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=50


Absolutamente chocante e revoltante como governantes eleitos democráticamente um dos quais recipiente do Prémio Nobél da Paz podem sequer por um segundo pensar em apoiar animais destes. Já é mau o suficiente matar por necessidade, agora estes animais fazem-no por prazer.

Por muito mau que o Assad seja nunca se pode apoiar animais destes como os EUA têm vindo a fazer. Imaginem um país no mediterraneo, quase à nossa beira, governado por estes animais? Quais as consequências?
 

 

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