[Marauder]

Em relação ao exposto temos que ser realistas se portugal optou pelo F-16 e não noutra aeronave teve que ter em conta os custos de ter qualidade ao mais baixo preço não acho que a opçao por EF-2000 seja de momento a melhor visto os melhoramentos do F-16 fazerem dele uma arma temivel para os adversários é rápido muito agil tem um elevado leque de opções de armamento uma avionica mais avançada pode voar a  qualquer momento e é letal...optimo software/hardwer o seu vastissimo leque de armamento e poder ser reconfigurado para as diferentes missões fazem do F-16 uma plataforma de armas temivel em todo o mundo...

Somente pelo baixo preço, o EF2000 tal como o Gripen e os novos brinquedos americanos tem capacidade para encostar nossos F-16 em qualquer dia. Aparentemente até o Harrier o consegue fazer eheheh...bloody brits..

Se Portugal for experto, que compre alguns destes caças de 4ª Geração quando for para substituir os F-16, pois já deverão estar com um preço mais baixo.

  Mais um ponto relativamente à comparação F-16 / EF2000. Quando o negócio foi feito o EF2000 ainda não estava operacional, e mesmo hoje os numeros operacionais nas forças aéreas espanholas, inglesas e alemãs não são muito elevados.

[Marauder]

Que produção tão lenta..

Second Eurofighter for Austria in Final Assembly

(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued July 26, 2006)

HALLBERGMOOS and OTTOBRUNN, Germany --- The second Eurofighter Typhoon destined for Austria has started final assembly today at EADS Military Air Systems at Manching north of Munich.  
 
AS002 (Austrian Single-seat) will be delivered to the Austrian Air Force in 2007 with the contracted capability.  
 
Major component production for the other aircraft for Austria is under way in the four partner companies Alenia Aeronautica, BAE Systems, EADS Germany and EADS CASA.  
 
The first Eurofighter Typhoon for Austria, AS001, has finished the comprehensive electrical tests and is currently receiving further equipment and undergoing hydraulic plus electronic testing.  
 
Rollout of AS001 will be later in 2006.  
 
The Eurofighter consortium is under contract to deliver 18 aircraft, four in 2007, 12 in 2008 and 2 in 2009. These aircraft will be assembled at EADS Military Air Systems in Manching on behalf of the four-nation consortium, and accepted by the Austrian Air Force through the German Air Force quality management organization.  
 
After delivery the fighters will be based at Zeltweg, Styria, and will be equipped with the IRIS-T short range air-to-air missile, which has been ordered by seven nations.  
 
As the Austrian Air Force is dedicated to start operational flying 1 July 2008, training of 70 mechanics, 50 engineers and 28 pilots is to start in autumn this year, at the German Air Force and at EADS Military Air Systems, Eurofighter GmbH amongst other.

defense-aerospace.com

[antoninho]

Bom tem um virus na industria aeronautica, o VPPP

(virus perigoso panasceira portuguesa) que se propagou na europa, as ogma e o programa f-16 mlu, foram a suas 1ª vitimas ainda se anda à procura de um antidoto....

[Sintra]

Foi oferecido à Austria a possibilidade de receberem os 18 aparelhos directamente do pedido Alemão (negócio idêntico à entrega dos primeiros 24 Typhoon´s à Arábia Saudita através da tranche Britânica), assim receberiam os aparelhos muito mais depressa, foram estes que recusaram (dinheiro, pagamentos, faseados, etc).
 Neste momento já foram entregues 84 Typhoon´s às respectivas Forças Aéreas, o primeiro foi entregue em 2004, ou seja, ritmos de entrega "Americanos", não me parece que as linhas de montagem estejam com qualquer tipo de vírus  

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[nestor]

En España creo que tenemos ya volando unos 15 EFAS.

Saludos.

[Marauder]

Neste momento já foram entregues 84 Typhoon´s às respectivas Forças Aéreas, o primeiro foi entregue em 2004, ou seja, ritmos de entrega "Americanos", não me parece que as linhas de montagem estejam com qualquer tipo de vírus  :lol:

[24 por ano até deve ser considerado normal na industría aeronautica, e até tem outros motivos por trás, relacionados com a gestão do producto etc, dando tempo ao departamento R&D crie upgrades ou novos modelos, mas eu gosto de coisas rápidas   ]

[Marauder]

Déjà vu Sintra?

Farnborough: Eurofighter GmBh lança dúvidas no preço dos Typhoon
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Eurofighter Typhoon at SBAC Farnborough 2006

(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued July 17, 2006)


Eurofighter has delivered 80 of the 638 aircraft it has on firm order. Shown in this file photo is Typhoon IPA3 carrying four Paveway II bombs, four AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, two IRIS-T air-to-air missiles and three 1,000-litre external fuel tanks.
© Eurofighter file photo.

FARNBOROUGH, England and HAlLLBERGMOOS, Germany --- As business deals and aircraft take off at Farnborough 2006 this week the emphasis for the Eurofighter Typhoon programme team is "delivering value" to its customers. According to Eurofighter GmbH CEO, Aloysius Rauen, Eurofighter Typhoon is set to continue delivering value for decades to come.  
 
"So far we have delivered more than 80 aircraft to the four partner nations and the message from our customers is loud and clear... this is an outstanding aircraft which is set to dominate the battlespace as its capability develops over the coming years.  
 
"Already the air forces of Germany, Italy Spain and the UK have a formidable air-to-air fighter in Eurofighter Typhoon and as we move towards full swing-role capability this year we will see Eurofighter Typhoon distance itself from the competition on a number of levels.  
 
"With firm orders for 638 units and even more export orders on the horizon we are proud of the fact that we are offering potential partners the chance to join us in producing the world's biggest selling new generation swing role aircraft."  
 
The four air forces and industry have amassed over 10,000 flight hours with Eurofighter Typhoon. The aircraft featured prominently in security roles at a number of high profile events such as the Winter Olympics in Turin and more recently at the FIFA World Championship in Germany.  
 
While the air forces get to grips with the new aircraft, the four partner industries are forging ahead with the delivery of future capabilities which will make Eurofighter Typhoon a technology leader in swing-role operations.  
 
Aloysius Rauen explains: "Almost daily we are proving that Eurofighter Typhoon meets and exceeds the operational parameters demanded by our customer. Only recently Italian industry aircraft IPA2 fired an advanced medium range missile whilst pulling more than 8g. Such capability can only be dreamed of by some of our competitors and to my knowledge no other fighter aircraft has done this before.  
 
"With air-to-air carefree handling achieved and in service we continue to focus on delivering the air-to surface capability demanded by the customer. Air-to-surface carefree handling trials are underway and are progressing successfully."  
 
Since third Instrumented Production Aircraft (IPA3) with EADS test pilot Chris Worning began the heavy loads trials campaign in February the Flight Test programme has been building momentum towards an air-to-ground weapon release.  
 
In May this year, IPA1 took off from BAE Systems' Warton facility loaded with six Paveway II, two AIM-9L Sidewinders and a centreline 1,000l fuel tank. The aim of the tests was to prove the aerodynamic stability of the aircraft in a heavy loads configuration. IPA1 successfully completed a series of 'flutter trials' during this first flight, ensuring that a major milestone was achieved by the team. Mark Bowman, BAE Systems Typhoon Project Pilot, commented:  
 
"The advanced flight control system of Typhoon means that even with this heavy load, the pilot is still able to manoeuvre the aircraft as a 'carefree' fighter, safe in the knowledge that the computers will be wringing out every last ounce of turning and rolling performance."  
 
Soon after the IPA1 flights, the EADS CASA-controlled IPA4 took off from Morón Air Force Base going for a programme-first release of an air-to-surface weapon. Accompanied by an F-18 chase aircraft from the Spanish Air Force, pilot Alfonso de Castro made several approaches to the planned impact point, checking release procedures and ensuring functionality of on-board cameras for the flight test documentation, before going for the hot-run and store jettison. The success of the GBU-16 release from the starboard wing centre pylon demonstrates Eurofighter Typhoon's swing-role capability.  
 
A second jettison was completed the following day, with both releases fully complying with all flight test objectives. Of utmost importance was the verification of safe separation of the stores from the pylons, and overall aircraft behaviour during and after the release sequences. Evaluation of the overall performance of the avionics and armament control system was also critical, and will contribute towards final GBU-16 clearance following further test sorties over the Summer months.  
 
The GBU-16 is a 1,000 lbs. NATO-standard air-to-surface laser-guided precision bomb to be implemented by Eurofighter Partner Nations Spain and Italy. The Paveway II Enhanced store will be available to the United Kingdom as part of the 'austere capability' package. The weapon will enter into service with the Eurofighter Typhoon Block 5 aircraft.  
 
The Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon has completed further GBU-16 release trials as part of the ongoing campaign. First, the air-to-surface store was jettisoned from the right centre-wing pylon, followed by a drop from the right in-board pylon the next day.  
 
At the end of June 2006 BAE Systems' IPA 1 aircraft successfully released Paveway II stores, Paveway IV trials are scheduled for early next year.  
 
Aloysius Rauen confirms: "We are well on our way to achieving Full Operational Capability (FOC) for the system at Block 5 in line with our customer requirement.  
 
"It is a challenging and demanding programme for our people but they prove consistently that they are equal to the task. I think that this is because they recognize that by delivering Eurofighter Typhoon today, they are delivering operational capability, national security, technology and industrial partnerships for tomorrow and for decades to come."  
 
 
BACKGROUND NOTES:  
 
Eurofighter Typhoon is the world's most advanced swing-role combat aircraft, developed by the leading aerospace companies, Alenia Aeronautica, BAE SYSTEMS, EADS in Germany and EADS CASA, of the four partner countries, Italy, United Kingdom, Germany and Spain.  
 
Agile and highly manoeuvrable, the twin-engine Eurofighter Typhoon is designed to operate from hastily prepared bases and small runways for worldwide operations. It is equipped with an advanced multi-mode radar and an extensive range of sensors and electronic countermeasures.  
 
The aircraft's ability to gain air superiority beyond visual range (BVR) and in close combat, and at the same time deliver high sortie rates against air, naval and ground targets in all weathers with a variety of weapons, demands close attention to pilot workload. In Eurofighter the pilot flies through use of a computerised flight control system, which offers full carefree handling.  
 
A strong emphasis has been placed on reducing cost of ownership in addition to outstanding performance and flight safety. Eurofighter Typhoon is less expensive to operate than the generation of aircraft it is designed to replace. In respect to the cost to performance relationship Eurofighter is second to none of its competitors.  
 
The Eurofighter partner nations plan to take delivery of 620 aircraft: 180 for Germany, 121 for Italy, 87 for Spain and 232 for the United Kingdom. An additional export order of 18 Eurofighter Typhoon has been signed with the Government of Austria.  
 
With the signature of the Tranche 2 Production Contract on 14 December 2004, Eurofighter received the production go-ahead for more than 400 aircraft. Eurofighter Typhoon has the largest confirmed production contract order book of any next generation fighter aircraft.

defense-aerospace.com

[Sintra]

Dejá Vu mesmo...

[roberto95]

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[roberto95]

hola a todos , desculpas por a mensagen anterior, deveria ser unha foto de un ef espanhol, mais esta claro que nao fes benn alguma coisa

[Cabeça de Martelo]

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[roberto95]

brigado martelo, visto que no soy capaz de subir las fotos dejare los enlaces

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[Cabeça de Martelo]

De nada, o bichano é bonito, mas deve ser bastante caro.

[roberto95]

bueno en este enlace hablan de 62.9 millones de € listo para volar, pero entiendo que es el precio de venta a terceros
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter
eviedentemente a españa le saldra mucho mas barato por formar parte del consorcio que lo construye

[Sintra]

http://www.areamilitar.net/noticias/not ... ?NrNot=271

 Epá, o área militar é para mim o melhor site Português sobre defesa, mas este artigo sobre a escolha do F35 pela Turquia varia entre o óptimo e o menos bom.
 Não sei quem escreveu o artigo, mas existem lá uns comentários que são, digamos, um pouco estranhos...
 Aquela do F35 ser mais agil que o Tiffie... A comparação entre a carga alar e o Thrusth/weight ratio parecem indicar uma clarissima vantagem para o avião Europeu, aliás estes dados são praticamente idênticos entre o Tiffie e o... Raptor.
 Outra, o comentário acerca do RCS do F35 ser de 100 a 1000 vezes menor que o do Tiffie... Andaram a ler o Toan no F-16.net, não foi?  :shock: foi este comentário:
"Eurofighter Typhoon: Mistura melhorada de F-16 com Mirage, e com 20 anos de desenvolvimento e atrasos consecutivos, o Eurofighter está tão atrasado, que há casos em que quando os primeiros encomendados forem entregues terão que passar por um programa de modernização.""

 O F16 foi desenvolvido pela General Dynamics, o Mirage pela Dassault, nenhuma das duas participa no consórcio EUROFIGHTER GMBH.
 O comentário acerca dos 20 anos de desenvolvimentos e atrasos é interessante, o atraso entre a data firmada em contrato para a entrega do Tiffie e o que aconteceu na realidade foram precisamente 43 meses , o que é absurdo, as empresas envolvidas e os governos Europeus deviam levar uma castanhada à conta desta brincadeira...
 Mas não é caso unico nem exclusivo dos produtos Europeus, o programa de desenvolvimento do F35 já leva três anos de atraso entre as datas firmadas entre a Lock Mart e a USAF e ainda não saiu do chão um protótipo que se pareça minimamente com os aviões que vão chegar ao activo, o atraso do F22 foi de 114 meses, o C130J foi de 23 meses, etc, etc, etc. Quando muito o atraso no desenvolvimento do F35 vai ser ligeiramente superior ao do Tiffie, com um bocado de azar vai ser o caos. Os Ingleses já atiraram o IOC do primeiro esquadrão de Lightning´s de 2013 para 2018...
 E finalmente aquela história "dos primeiros encomendados terão de passar por uma modernização" é inenarrável. O processo de modernização por block´s é idêntico ao que os americanos fazem desde o inicio da década de 80 com o Viper, e que continuaram com o Hornet, o Strike Eagle, o Super Hornet, que estão a fazer agora com o F22, com o B2 e que planeiam fazer com o F35, entretanto os Franceses fazem a mesma coisa com os RAFALES e os Suecos com o Gripen...

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ps- o Area Militar é um site fantástico, e obrigado pelo excelente trabalho lá efectuado