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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #105 em: Abril 12, 2018, 08:06:11 am »
Another Gottliebsen story from today's Australian

Australia’s patrol boat debacle


 
A Lurssen-built offshore patrol vessel. Pic: Lurssen

 ROBERT GOTTLIEBSEN
 Business ColumnistMelbourne
 @BGottliebsen

 It’s now clear that the government has stuffed up the $4 billion patrol boat tender.

 Normally I would not highlight these sort of mistakes but Australia is embarking on one of the largest naval military ship building programs in the world involving an outlay of around $90 billion — a huge sum for a country that is in budget deficit.

On a per vessel basis we are spending substantially above any other country--- some estimates have the per equivalent vessel expenditure at twice world levels.

 And everywhere you look you find that politics have played a role in our naval spending decisions, which boosts the costs and leads to mistakes.

 It is as though Australia’s defence policy has been based on the belief that there will be no war so we can play political games. The world situation now looks like it is too serious for political games.

 And yet there is also an opportunity. We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to build an industrial base around this enormous program.

 That $90 billion expenditure level is almost as big as that of Japan and Korea and larger than the UK, Germany, France, Italy or Spain.

 Australia is looking at building two major ships a year which is a huge number given the size of our infrastructure.

 Japan is building three major ships per year; while the UK, Germany, France and Italy are each building between 1.5 and two ships a year. The US, with its huge military industrial complex and an industrial base 25 times as big as ours, builds eight ships per year.

 We are in the big league and we planned to start with 12 patrol boats, which theoretically would show the world how good we are.

 Instead it has shown how bad we are.

 Three large groups were invited to tender --- two German companies Lürssen and Fassmer and a Dutch company, Damen. They were all surprised to be told that the first two patrol boats had to be built in Adelaide (the defence industry minister’s home state) and the next 10 in Western Australia, where the government could lose large numbers of seats in the next election. Inevitably that boosted the costs substantially. But worse was to come.

 Lürssen was chosen as the winner and in typical German style they had contracted with detailed agreements so that ASC would do the work in Adelaide and Civmec would undertake the work in WA. The whole tender process had taken around two years because design was involved.

 Then, suddenly, 24 to 48 hours before Lürssen was to be announced, Lürssen was told that it had to include the listed Austal group in its WA operation (Austal had been a partner in one of the losing consortiums). The Germans were stunned. How would this work?

 Only in the worst of third world countries would a defence department pull a stunt like that. But everyone remained silent while defence chiefs claimed the process would be easy. Of course that was rubbish.


 
Malcolm Turnbull tours Austal’s operations last year with then WA premier Colin Barnett. Pic: Simon Santi/ pool.

 Lürssen partner Civmec had acquired Newcastle shipbuilder Forgacs in 2015 and was constructing a vast facility for shipbuilding at Henderson south of Perth. It needed that patrol boat contract.

 Including another shipbuilder for part of the contract would destroy the economics. But Austal had the ear of government and as WA’s largest shipbuilder if it missed out it would not be good for votes at the next election.

 And so now the defence department has appointed a “mediator” to try and sort out the mess it created. This is really third world. Are we going to keep doing these crazies? If we keep it up we might end up spending $180 billion not $90 billion.

 The most obvious WA solution is that Civmec gets paid its full contracted work but only performs part of it, with the rest constructed by Austal.

 Maybe there is a better way but already the cost of the patrol boats has been inflated by contracting in two cities for political purposes and now there is to be another boost.

 This sort of activity is not just a once-off. We are concentrating a large amount of the $90 billion activity in Adelaide, which involves huge union risks. Shipbuilders around the world spread their activities because they can better tap a variety of skills. And for the frigates we wanted the first steel cut by 2020. (Guess why). If we rush the project we have no chance of establishing an infrastructure and the frigates will be simply IKEA flat pack jobs.

 I could go on and write about submarines but that’s enough. The message is clear.

 But finally, if China establishes an air base in Vanuatu (or Timor?) it will base its new generation fighters there, which are far superior to our JSF disasters.


 
The new patrol boats will replace the navy’s Armidale-class vessels.

PS : se tivessem falado com a WS e com a MdG o projecto NPO 2000 sai-lhes muito, mas muito mais barato, mas as LUVAS dos políticos e afins falam mais alto !!!!


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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #106 em: Julho 20, 2018, 04:37:31 pm »
 

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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #107 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 12:07:56 pm »
Royal Australian Navy’s third Anzac-class ship arrives in Henderson for AMCAP upgrade


Photo: BAE Systems

BAE Systems Australia has welcomed the Royal Australian Navy’s third Anzac class warship to its Henderson facility.
As explained, this is part of the navy’s fleet upgrade to keep the ships in service until they are replaced by the Hunter class frigates.

The Mid Life Capability Assurance Program (AMCAP) upgrade is being undertaken at Henderson by the Warship Asset Management Agreement (WAMA) Alliance.

HMAS Anzac’s docking marks a milestone for BAE Systems, where it joins sister ships Perth and Arunta. This will be the first time that three warships have been on the hardstand at the Henderson facility.

HMAS Arunta, the first of class AMCAP ship, most recently had her old mast removed to make way for the installation of a newly developed Air Search Radar System. The new mast is currently being manufactured by BAE Systems and scheduled to be installed at the end of October.

HMAS Arunta will undock before the end of the year after having spent more than 12 months on the hard stand. She will then undertake sea trials ahead of a planned return to service in 2019.
The remaining seven ships will be back in service by 2023

https://navaltoday.com/2018/09/10/royal-australian-navys-third-anzac-class-ship-arrives-in-henderson-for-amcap-upgrade/

Nós também deveriamos ter feito o mesmo ás nossas VdG há uns dez anos atrás, a HMAS tem agora vinte anos !!

Operational history

.....In June 2014, modifications to Arunta as part of the Anti-Ship Missile Defence Project upgrade were completed.[27] Arunta was the second ship of the class to be upgraded, with the installation of a CEAFAR Phased Array Radar and an upgraded SAAB Combat Management System, among other modifications, during an 18-month refit.[27] The ship commenced post-refit sea trials at the end of June[/b



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Arunta_(FFH_151)


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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #108 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 12:54:23 pm »
Estes já vão no segundo MLU às suas Meko e nós, com navios bem mais antigos, ainda nem fizemos o primeiro MLU às nossas. Enfim, prioridades...
 

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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #109 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 02:01:24 pm »
Bancos e, não são de jardim.
 
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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #110 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 02:19:56 pm »
Pessoalmente já considero as nossas Mekos umas patrulhas oceânicas mt bem armadas, passiveis de ser utilizadas em cenários de baixa intensidade  ... vejo apenas das BD como os nossos navios de "1ª linha" (+ os submarinos) e mesmo estas necessitavam de um MLU (radar) mais completo.

Enfim, talvez o plano seja substituir as Meko a médio prazo por 2 fragatas de uma classe "nova" e o facto de não terem MLU ser para pressionar nessa direcção. 
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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #111 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 02:36:42 pm »
Pessoalmente já considero as nossas Mekos umas patrulhas oceânicas mt bem armadas, passiveis de ser utilizadas em cenários de baixa intensidade  ... vejo apenas das BD como os nossos navios de "1ª linha" (+ os submarinos) e mesmo estas necessitavam de um MLU (radar) mais completo.

Enfim, talvez o plano seja substituir as Meko a médio prazo por 2 fragatas de uma classe "nova" e o facto de não terem MLU ser para pressionar nessa direcção.

É exactamente isso que se fala nos corredores das instalações da Marinha (3 por duas). Agora se é viável...  ::) ;)



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Re: ARMADA AUSTRALIANA
« Responder #112 em: Setembro 10, 2018, 04:42:24 pm »
Pessoalmente já considero as nossas Mekos umas patrulhas oceânicas mt bem armadas, passiveis de ser utilizadas em cenários de baixa intensidade  ... vejo apenas das BD como os nossos navios de "1ª linha" (+ os submarinos) e mesmo estas necessitavam de um MLU (radar) mais completo.

Enfim, talvez o plano seja substituir as Meko a médio prazo por 2 fragatas de uma classe "nova" e o facto de não terem MLU ser para pressionar nessa direcção.

É exactamente isso que se fala nos corredores das instalações da Marinha (3 por duas). Agora se é viável...  ::) ;)



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Porra lá vamos ficar só com quatro Fragatas, se cinco quanto a mim já são poucas........
Se tal acontecer e, como estamos muito curtos de guito, cá para mim, daqui a cinco anos, ainda vamos é comprar as duas M Holandesas, até já trazem o upgrade e ainda por cima são navios iguais ás nossas BD.

Tudo leva a crer que é o que vai acontecer, mais, essa opção é a que favorece a aquisição de novas fragatas só lá para os inícios da década de 30, só daqui a uma dúzia de anos se não for mais.........lá continuamos a empurrar a renovação da frota de combate de superfície, com a barriga, é mais do mesmo !!





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