Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1245 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 09:51:43 am »
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Mais uma vez, todos ficam mal na fotografia e quem se trama "é o tipo que anda lá no meio com a bandeira". Quero ver é se desata "tudo aos tiros" o que é que as partes envolvidas vão fazer "para descalçar a bota". quem é que vão culpar num banho de sangue caso os Russos ataquem ou as tropas Ucranianas sediadas se movimentem?http://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10877&start=165
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O mafets tem razão numa coisa - cá estamos nós outra vez a discutir a Siria (parte 2).






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Russia Today é um canal de informação de referência no plano internacional. E quem o diz não sou eu, são os espiões britãnicos  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :Tanque:


Notandum est , quod homo non est principiorum et prosecuti sustinet omnia concordant cum iis Russian. :roll:  :roll:
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"Nunca, no campo dos conflitos humanos, tantos deveram tanto a tão poucos." W.Churchil

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1246 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 10:40:13 am »
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Enquanto isso soldados Russos já mataram um soldado Ucrâniano e um cidadão Tartaro, no entanto do lado ocidental ninguém parece estar com vontade de se mexer.

A sério ?  :roll:

Eu aqui tomo a posição duma russona com quem falei ontem - Os media mentem.

É preciso dar tempo ao tempo e perceber bem o que passou, antes de nos precipitarmos e dizer foram estes ou aqueles. A primeira leitura sinceramente não cola com a versão ucraniana. Isto parece ser uma provocação de quem está interessado em incendiar os ânimos. Isto aconteceu no dia em que foi assinado o tratado de união entre crimeia e russia.  Neste conflito tudo o que vier de fontes ucranianas ou russas tem que ser lido com pinças, o que não quer dizer que não digam umas verdades aqui e ali. Neste incidente em concreto dar tempo ao tempo para se apurar o que realmente aconteceu.




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Ó HSMW, desculpa lá mas isto merece full speech  :G-beer2:

os dogs ladram, mas a caravana passa

e nem coloco aqui as manifestações de euforia dos habitantes de crimeia por se juntarem a russia nem o apoio esmagador dos russos a essa união, senão ainda me acusam de colaborar com o inimigo  :P  :lol:  :lol:


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Le grand désespoir des Tatars de Crimée
Je commence à culpabiliser d'avoir cru au droit international. » Le constat est amer. Pour Refat Tchoubarov, président de l'assemblée des...
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The Biggest Victims of Today’s Events: The Crimean Tatars
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/03/01/the_biggest_victims_of_today_s_events_the_crimean_tatars.html
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1247 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 10:55:49 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

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On February 19, 1954 the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian SSR. According to the Soviet Constitution (article 18), the borders of a republic within the Soviet Union could not be re-drawn without the agreement of the republic in question. The transfer was approved by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union; however, according to article 33 of the constitution, the Presidium did not have the authority to do so. The constitutional change (articles 22 and 23) to accommodate the transfer was made several days after the decree issued by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet.[1][2]

The decree was first announced, on the front page of Pravda, on February 27, 1954.[3] The full text of the decree was:[4]

    "Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

    Taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR, the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet decrees:
    To approve the joint presentation of the Presidium of the Russian SFSR Supreme Soviet and the Presidium of the Ukrainian SSR Supreme Soviet on the transfer of the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR."

The transfer took place in three steps: the Supreme Soviet of the Russian SFSR proposed the transfer, the Supreme Soviet then approved, and the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR accepted the transfer on June 17, 1954.

There are claims[who?] that the move was illegal as there was a requirement for a referendum which was never carried out and that the Supreme Soviet was inquorate.[5]







http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

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•  To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26598832

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One voter, Olga Koziko, told the BBC that she was voting for secession because she did not want to be governed by "those Nazis who came to power in Kiev".

"Russia will defend us and protect us," the schoolteacher said.

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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1248 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 11:04:19 am »
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Na minha opiniao a russia agiu bem na questao da crimeia. Foi um golpe brilhante. Com razao,sem violencia, e com referendo. Sabiam que muitos soldados ucranianos na crimeia passaram para o lado russo? Que esses mesmos soldados ucranianos tambem participaram com os pro-russos nas tomadas de bases ucranianas da crimeia? Permitam-me alguma emocao, porque historia foi feita. Sabe bem vencer. (Quanto aos delirios expansionistas de que acusam os russos nao e nada mais do que psicologia projectada ocidental. So por um motivo extraordinario vamos ter tanques russos a rolar pela ucrania. Aquela gente do kremlin, a nivel internacional, sabe muito bem o que anda a fazer e caso apos caso - ex. siria, irao, tem a razao do seu lado, como na situacao da crimeia)
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que se faça uma investigação internacional ao que aconteceu. continuo surpreendido com a rapidez com que as autoridades ucranianas apresentaram a versão do sucedido. que se apure o que aconteceu e que tragam à justiça os responsáveis se de acção criminosa se tratou. entretanto algumas coisas que se vão dizendo. não concordo, nem discordo com o teor destas noticias, apenas as trago para dar a conhecer.
A valde stat homo . Sed liberae inquisitionis vocat verum , quod convenit cum omnibus Rutenorum . :roll:  :roll:
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1249 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 12:22:52 pm »
On Moslem New Year's Eve Lavrov guarantees equal rights and freedoms to Crimean Tatars

http://en.c-inform.info/news/id/1456

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"Respect for our partners and their interests, raising the level of mutual confidence conforms to the objective tendencies of the formation of the poly-centric world order. This approach has recently been demonstrated in Russia's consistently developing dialogue with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

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In Russia, special attention is devoted to ensuring the rights and freedoms of all Russian citizens, including Crimean Tatars. A presidential decree has been signed on rehabilitation of Crimean Tatars: the equality of the languages, including the Crimean-Tatar language, has been confirmed in a legislative act.

2 teens killed, 4 injured in shelling nr Donetsk school, E. Ukraine

http://rt.com/news/202555-donetsk-schoo ... en-killed/

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Ukraine has been engulfed in internal conflict since April, when Kiev’s army began its crackdown on the southeastern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk after they refused to recognize the country’s new coup-imposed authorities



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“We saw the take-off. We saw the trajectory, we saw the hit. We saw this aeroplane disappear from the radar screens. So there is really no mystery about where it came from and where these weapons have come from.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... et-missile

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none had been seized by separatist fighters in recent weeks.

"We are absolutely sure and we checked yesterday that no missiles have been taken from the Ukrainian army," said Klimkin.

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Additionally a news item on Russian state television from late June announced that the rebels had taken control of a Ukrainian Buk system. But Klimkin was adamant that this was not the case.



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TIMBUCTOO, Tim-Buc-Too, Mali, 3 months ago

The simple truth of the matter is the US,NATO do not have the satelite images or the un-deniable evidence that a SUPPOSED buk launcher SUPPOSEDLY supplied to the seperatists was SUPPOSEDLY the reason for the tragedy of MH17. But thats not important anymore.The US,EU and NATO used the outcry of the days which followed the tragedyy as a perefect reason to impose more sanctions on russia and to turn more people against putin and russia. The innocent deaths of MH17 have been used only for political gain and to promote hate against russia
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1250 em: Novembro 06, 2014, 04:02:57 pm »








In risum faciunt panem , et propaganda est optima medicina Russian  :roll:
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1251 em: Novembro 07, 2014, 12:59:17 pm »
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/06/leviathan-director-andrei-zvyagintsev-russia-oscar-contender-film?CMP=twt_gu
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Leviathan director Andrei Zvyagintsev: ‘Living in Russia is like being in a minefield’
Oscar contender Leviathan is a frank portrayal of a corrupt Russia. In a rare interview, its director talks about his country’s ‘eternal curse’ and why voting there would be a ‘completely pointless step’

Não é nada. Grande mentiroso. É o paraíso na terra... :twisted:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/kiev-says-russian-tanks-have-crossed-into-ukraine/510789.html
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ReutersNov. 07 2014 15:00KIEV — A column of 32 tanks, 16 howitzer artillery systems and trucks carrying ammunition and fighters has crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia, the Kiev military said Friday.

"The deployment continues of military equipment and Russian mercenaries to the front lines," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing referring to Thursday's cross-border incursion.
Que mentira da "Junta de Kiev". Alguma vez os Russos são capazes de uma coisa dessas (ou perderam-se outra vez)... :twisted:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putins-holds-talks-with-security-chiefs-over-deterioration-in-ukraine/510775.html
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KIEV — Russian President Vladimir Putin has held talks with top security chiefs over a "deterioration of the situation" in eastern Ukraine after pro-Russian rebels there accused Kiev of launching a new offensive in violation of a cease-fire.

Sporadic violence has flared since the Sept. 5 truce in a conflict that has cost more than 4,000 lives; but the cease-fire has looked particularly fragile this week with separatists and the central government accusing each other of violations.

Andrei Purgin, deputy prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said Thursday that the Ukrainian army had launched "all-out war" on rebel positions, news agency RIA Novosti reported.

Ukrainian military spokesman Vladyslav Seleznyov denied this, saying the army remained in agreed positions.

"We refute these allegations … we're strictly fulfilling the Minsk memorandum [on a cease-fire]," he said by telephone.

A Kremlin statement said the presidential Security Council, which groups key security and defense officials under Putin's chairmanship, discussed among other things a "deterioration of the situation in the Donbass due to repeated violations of the cease-fire by the armed forces of Ukraine."
Está lançado o mote para se "perderem" mais vezes... :twisted:

Gosto desta maneira "livre" de fazer eleições. Um "jovem" do coro lá da cidade ao lado da cabibe e um "rapazito" de Ak-47 a guardar a urna, aberta, transparente e com o voto à vista. Fala-se da democracia ocidental mas esta assim é que é... :twisted:  :lol:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/the-faces-behind-ukraine-s-rebel-election-observer-mission/510773.html
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The Faces Behind Ukraine's Rebel Election Observer Mission


Et venit in Russia pristinam servitutem propagandist loquitur mendacium est , quod principium ... :roll:
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1252 em: Novembro 07, 2014, 05:37:31 pm »
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ReutersNov. 07 2014 15:00KIEV — A column of 32 tanks, 16 howitzer artillery systems and trucks carrying ammunition and fighters has crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia, the Kiev military said Friday.

"The deployment continues of military equipment and Russian mercenaries to the front lines," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing referring to Thursday's cross-border incursion.

http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/video

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http://rt.com/news/183536-nato-images-ridiculed-russia/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-inv ... ks/5398148
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Re: Protestos na Ucrânia e a possibilidade de guerra civil
« Responder #1254 em: Novembro 10, 2014, 05:11:57 pm »

Material das forças pró-russas. T-72 em Donetsk e T-64BM Bulat capturado.
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