[Jorge Pereira]

Grã-Bretanha neutralizou conspiração terrorista

A polícia britânica neutralizou, esta quinta-feira, uma conspiração terrorista na Grã-Bretanha que visava «abater vários aviões em voo, causando a perda de um número considerável de vidas», anunciou o ministro britânico do Interior, John Reid.
Numa declaração pública, John Reid revelou que a polícia efectuou «uma grande operação antiterrorista para acabar com aquilo que pensamos ser uma ameaça maior contra o Reino Unido e os seus parceiros internacionais».

«Queremos tanto quanto possível que as pessoas prossigam as suas actividades de forma normal», acrescentou o ministro, que já decretou a subida do nível de alerta, de «severo» para «crítico».

Entretanto, a polícia britânica já terá detido cerca de 20 pessoas em Londres, avança a Sky News, o mesmo número de aviões que deveriam ser visados pelas acções terroristas.

Medidas de segurança suplementares foram imediatamente decretadas nos aeroportos britânicos, onde as bagagens de mão estão limitadas ao estritamente necessário.

Segundo fontes policiais, uma vez que os explosivos seriam transportados nas bagagens de mão, os passageiros são agora convidados a levar para a cabine do avião apenas sacos, se possível transparentes, contendo unicamente objectos considerados como estritamente necessários como documentos, eventuais medicamentos e óculos.

A autoridade britânica dos aeroportos prevê atrasos consideráveis nas situações de embarque.

Ainda segundo a Sky News, que cita fontes anónimas, todas as pessoas detidas serão britânicos de origem paquistanesa ou do sul da Ásia.

10-08-2006 8:10:36

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Terroristas iam usar bombas líquidas nos ataques aos aviões

A Scotland Yard disse esta quinta-feira que o plano terrorista desmantelado na Grã-Bretanha se centrava na detonação de explosivos líquidos levados em bagagens de mão para dentro dos aviões.
Em conferência de imprensa, o chefe da unidade anti-terrorista da Scotland Yard, sub-comissário Peter Clarke, adiantou que as detenções de hoje são o resultado de uma operação de vários meses na qual colaboraram autoridades britânicas e internacionais.

Segundo o responsável, os planos para fazer explodir aviões em pleno voo era de dimensões globais, mas os alvos precisos estão ainda por apurar.

«O dia de hoje é o culminar de uma vasta operação que dura há vários meses e que, sem dúvida, continuará por muito tempo ainda», disse Clarke.

De acordo com o avançado pelas autoridasdes inglesas, foram já detidas 21 pessoas na região de Londres, todas britânicas de origem paquistanesa ou do sul da Ásia, as quais iriam desenvolver ataques a cerca de 20 aeronaves com destino aos EUA.

Apesar de haver sinais do que o pior já passou, a operação de segurança mantém-se, vivendo-se um estado de alerta máximo, no grau que implica uma ameaça iminente.

Entretanto, o Governo norte-americano elevou para o nível máximo o seu estado de alerta para ameaças terroristas em voos entre o Reino Unidos e os Estados Unidos.

10-08-2006 12:10:03

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[RedWarrior]

É preciso preparar a opinião pública para alargar o conflito.

[Azraael]

É preciso preparar a opinião pública para alargar o conflito.

Ja estava a estranhar a falta de teorias da conspiracao...

[sierra002]

LA semana que viene voy a Londres.

[Azraael]

LA semana que viene voy a Londres.

Que hace un pericoloso "nazista" castillano in Londres?  

[Luso]

Terror Plot Deja Vu
The just-foiled airline bomb plot has precedents, The New York Times reminds us:

The plot to blow up several airliners flying between Britain and the United States bears a striking resemblance to a plot hatched by al Qaeda operatives 12 years ago to simultaneously blow up airliners over the Pacific.

That plot was hatched in Manila by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was starting his climb to be a top lieutenant to Osama bin Laden, and by Ramzi Yousef, who was the mastermind of the first bomb attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. It was financed by bin Laden.

Which is perhaps why U.S. officials are saying the current plot bears Al Qaeda's fingerprints. But remember, it's open-source terrorism we face. That this plot looks like the Manila plot means only that the terrorists are drawing from the same well of tactics and philosophy, not that there's any formal Al Qaeda command and control in place.

Does it even mean anything any more to invoke Al Qaeda?

--David Axe

A ideia é interessante, nem que seja para denunciar a evidência que a Al Qaeda já é um conceito ultrapassado, apesar de cómodo, porque permite materializar uma ameaça e atribuirem-lhe rostos e estrutura. Há que começar a aceitar que o universo de ameaças potenciais é muito maior.
Isto cá para mim vai dar estrilho a sério, mais dia, menos dia.

[Bravo Two Zero]

BBC News

Police probe flights terror plot  
 
Police raided a house in High Wycombe and evacuated residents


Police statement  
Homes and businesses across England are being searched and 24 people questioned after police say a plot to blow up planes from the UK to US was disrupted.
They say they are convinced they have the key players in custody, but a wider investigation is only just beginning.

Peter Clarke, the head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch, said the network involved was large and global.

And US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the plot was "in some respects suggestive of al-Qaeda".

British police said it could have caused "mass murder on an unimaginable scale".

Sources in the UK have confirmed that they believe an attack may have been imminent - possibly in the next few days.

Security chiefs said the group had been under surveillance for some time.

ABC News is reporting five more suspects still at large in Britain are being "urgently sought", citing US sources briefed on the plot.

British police declined to comment on the report.

  They were in the final stages of planning for execution

Michael Chertoff
US homeland security


21 arrested in raids
At-a-glance: Travel advice  

"They had accumulated and assembled the capabilities that they needed and they were in the final stages of planning for execution," Mr Chertoff said.

Security experts believe they planned to detonate liquid explosives on up to 10 planes.

They terrorists would have smuggled it on board hidden in drinks, electronic devices and other "common objects".

According to US officials, the airlines targeted were United, American and Continental, which fly to New York, Washington and California.

At UK airports on Thursday - with the country on its highest terror alert of "critical" - bottles of water were taken from passengers and mothers asked to taste their babies' milk before it could be taken onto flights.

Mr Clarke said the surveillance involved in disrupting the plot had been "unprecedented" and had involved police forces in the UK and internationally.

It had only become apparent in the "last two weeks" that the target of the flights was the US, said Mr Chertoff.

Sources told the BBC the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born, and some have links to Pakistan.

A senior Pakistani security official told the AFP news agency that Pakistani intelligence agencies helped British authorities foil the plot.

Foreign Office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said: "Pakistan played a very important role in uncovering and breaking this international terrorist network.

"There were some arrests in Pakistan which were coordinated with arrests in the UK."

The suspects were rounded up in raids in London, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, and Birmingham. All are being held in London.

 HAVE YOUR SAY
 I for one will feel a lot safer flying knowing that the police are doing everything they can to make everyone safe

Rebecca, London


Send us your experiences
Readers describe disruptions  

Searches continue at several addresses and people were evacuated from some homes in High Wycombe in Thursday.

Meanwhile, chaos continues at UK airports with Heathrow the worst affected.

Thousands of flights have been cancelled and many more delayed.

Passengers who do make it onto flights, are not allowed to take any hand luggage with them apart from a few essential items in clear plastic bags.

Sources at the Department for Transport have indicated that these current restrictions on hand baggage could become permanent.

One source told the BBC that the "way we travel will never be the same again".

Stephen Nelson, chief executive of airport operator BAA, said it was the first time that airports had "faced a security mandate of this scale and severity".

Inevitable delays

And Heathrow chief executive Tony Douglas said there would "inevitably" be delays at the airport on Friday and passengers should arrive prepared.

Home Secretary John Reid said the government was "confident" the ring leaders were in custody but it was not complacent.

He said had the plot been successful, it would have meant "loss of life on an unprecedented scale".

Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the police and the security services.

US President George W Bush said the alleged plot was a "stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom."

An FBI spokesman said that it was "operating at a heightened level" as a result of the terror alerts and "sharing information and cooperating with domestic and international law enforcement and intelligence authorities".
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4780815.stm

Quanto à tentativa de atentado em aviões de 1995 que o Luso menciona:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time ... es=bojinka
http://flashbuck.com/2006/07/04/operati ... -and-9-11/
 

The term can refer to the "airline bombing plot" alone, or that combined with the "Pope assassination plot" and the "CIA plane crash plot". The first refers to a plot to destroy 11 airliners on January 21 and 22, 1995, the second refers to a plan to kill Pope John Paul II on January 15, 1995, and the third refers a plan to crash a plane into the CIA headquarters in Fairfax County, Virginia and other buildings

Este é brutal para os defensores de teorias de conspiração.........

[sierra002]

sierra002 escreveu:
LA semana que viene voy a Londres.
Que hace un pericoloso "nazista" castillano in Londres?

Voy de vacaciones. El Reino Unido es uno de los paises europeos que me faltan por conocer.
Estoy buscando por todas las tiendas una camiseta que diga:
¡GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!
¡MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!

[Azraael]

Estoy buscando por todas las tiendas una camiseta que diga:
¡GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!
¡MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!

LOL
Se encontrar una que diga:
Olivenca Espanhola!
Gibraltar Britanica!
avise...

[Azraael]

Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation


 Wednesday night was a long and troubling one for Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. A bubbling plot by British citizens to blow up airplanes had come to a boil in the past three days, and as British authorities arrested dozens of suspects around London, it was Chertoff's job to coordinate the U.S. defenses. Scary intelligence reports pop up all the time, but this particular terror operation got close enough to being carried out that it rattled even the normally sedate Chertoff. "Very seldom do things get to me," he told Rep. Peter King, the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, in a phone call late Wednesday night. "This one has really gotten to me."

Chertoff had good reason to be worried. Senior U.S officials have confirmed to TIME details of the plot that led the secretary to ratchet up the color-coded security alert for British-U.S. flights to an unprecedented red for "Severe." A total of 24 individuals were arrested in Britain overnight and, says one senior U.S. official who was briefed on the plot, five still remain at large. Their plan was to smuggle the peroxide-based liquid explosive TATP and detonators onto nine different planes from four carriers — British Airways, Continental, United and American — that fly direct routes between the U.K and the U.S. and blow them up mid-air. Intelligence officials estimate that about 2,700 people would have perished, according to the official.

Britain's MI-5 intelligence service and Scotland Yard had been tracking the plot for several months, but only in the past two weeks had the plotters' planning begun to crystallize, senior U.S. officials tell TIME. In the two or three days before the arrests, the cell was going operational, and authorities were pressed into action. MI5 and Scotland Yard agents tracked the plotters from the ground, while a knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications. Most of the suspects are second or third generation British citizens of Pakistani descent whose families hailed from war-torn Kashmir. U.S. officials believe the 29 members were divided into multiple cells and planned to break into small groups to board the nine planes.

During the past few months the plotters' attack plans had changed, > said Deputy Secretary for Homeland Security Michael Jackson. "There were different data sets about their interests over time that evolved," he said. It was only in recent days, said Jackson, that the plans began to focus on British-U.S. flights. The plot was "very near execution" but not imminent, Jackson said. "We didn't pull people off of airplanes."

So as not to derail the British round-up, Chertoff had to wait until the early hours of Thursday morning after all the London arrests were made before notifying U.S. airports of the threat, say senior DHS officals. When it became clear the arrests would be wrapped up around 1 a.m Washington time, Chertoff got on a conference call with his Homeland Security Advisory Committee to approve changing the threat level. Then calls when out to the airlines, airline security companies and labor unions affected by the changes, as well as to members of Congress.

Though the plot has all the hallmarks of an al Qaeda operation, U.S. officials cautioned that there isn't yet evidence of a direct link between the plotters and the organization's top leaders. "We're not convinced this particular operation is connected to the al Qaeda chain of command," Charles Allen, Chief of Intelligence for the Department of Homeland Security, told reporters on Thursday afternoon. As for whether the attack was being timed for the fifth anniversary of Sept. 11, Allen said he thought the attack would simply be launched when it was ready. "I am a long standing believer that terrorist plotters or planners execute when they have all of the plot together," said Allen. "We have no evidence this was timed to any particular holiday or special event."

The plot also appears to be a return to older terrorist tactics of trying to blow up an airplane in mid air, rather than turn the jet into a missile as the Sept. 11 attackers did. Allen stressed that the plans seemed designed to kill passengers, not crash into a city on the ground. "We have no evidence there was targeting of cities," said Allen, "This was an effort to destroy multiple aircraft in flight — not against any territory of the United States."

With five members of the cell believed to be at large, the threat still looms and intelligence officials are still working to unravel the full extent of the plot. "I don't believe we know all the dimensions of this plot. Time has to pass to determine that a network was disrupted," said Allen. Worries another U.S. official: "Plan A has been stopped, but the concern: Is there a Plan B?"

The possibility that liquid explosives could be smuggled onto a plane is not a surprise to counterterrorism experts, and the tightening of U.S. airport security could only be temporary as security officials learn more about the extent of the plot and how to defend against such an attack. The current measures — stripping passengers of anything liquid in their carry-on luggage — were in reaction to these particular arrests, and not to the realization of a new, unforeseen threat. "We're primarily concerned about this particular plot," said Allen, implying that the new security measures are not permanent.

FBI and Department of Homeland Security officials quickly alerted law enforcement agencies around the country to the peroxide-based liquid explosives the London plotters planned to bring aboard the American-bound planes. An alert the FBI and DHS sent out Thursday to state and local law enforcement agencies — which is classified "For Official Use Only" and was obtained by TIME — warns them that the peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks here.

The Joint Homeland Special Assessment, which the FBI and DHS's Office of Intelligence Analysis drafted and sent out, is titled "Possible Terrorist Use of Liquid Explosive Materials in Future Attacks." The document states: "The FBI and DHS have no information of plotting within the United States, but such a possibility cannot be discounted." The FBI-DHS report notes that Osama bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri insisted in a July 27 videotape that Al Qaeda was still intent on conducting another "spectacular" attack in the United States. Zawahiri, the report notes, used photos of the World Trade Center burning on Sept. 11 and 9/11 leader Muhammad Atta "in the background of this video."

The FBI-DHS report next warns law enforcement agencies about the two peroxide-based liquid explosive that could be used in a future attack against the U.S.--triacetone triperoxide (TATP) or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD). The report describes how a terrorist would assemble bombs with these chemicals. Peroxide-based liquid explosives "are sensitive to heat, shock, and friction, can be initiated simply with fire or electrical charge, and can also be used to produce improvised detonators," the report states. "For example, TATP or HMTD may be placed in a tube or syringe body in contact with a bare bulb filament, such as that obtained from inside a Christmas tree light bulb, to produce an explosion." The report doesn't mention anything about a terrorist assembling such a bomb on a plane, but it does warn that manufacturing such a device can be dangerous for the bombmaker. "Because of the instability of these substances," the report notes, "spontaneous detonation can occur during the production process."

Over the past ten years peroxide-based explosives have popped up in a number of terror operations, according to FBI-DHS report. "Terrorist have used peroxide-based explosive both as a main charge (weighing in excess of 20 pounds) and improvised detonators," the joint assessment states. "TATP was popularized as a main charge explosive in suicide bombs used by Palestinian terrorist groups."

Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted in 1996 for plotting to simultaneously bomb up to a dozen U.S. commercial airliners flying in the Far East, had manufactured TATP detonators. Arrested Dec. 14, 1999, for planning to attack Los Angeles International Airport in the millennium bombing plot, Ahmed Ressam had HMTD and RDX (cyclotrimethylene trinitrame) in a vial in the trunk of his car. He also had over 100 pounds of urea sulfate white powder and eight ounces of nitroglycerine mixture.

More recently, British shoe bomber Richard Reid tried to detonate his device with TATP as the initiator while aboard a Dec. 22, 2001, American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami. A mixture of TATP and ammonium nitrate was used in suicide bombs in Casablanca, Moroco on May 16, 2003. And the FBI-DHS report notes that four of the suicide bombers in the London subway attack July 7, 2005 "used peroxide-based explosive devices (IEDs), concealed inside rucksacks." With such a rich history, liquid explosives are sure to challenge America's counter-terror defenses for many years to come.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes

[Cabeça de Martelo]

sierra002 escreveu:
LA semana que viene voy a Londres.
Que hace un pericoloso "nazista" castillano in Londres?

Voy de vacaciones. El Reino Unido es uno de los paises europeos que me faltan por conocer.
Estoy buscando por todas las tiendas una camiseta que diga:
¡GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!
¡MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!

Ui...vai ser bonito vai!

[Azraael]

Officials: Plot suspects met alleged al Qaeda bomber


Two of the suspects held in connection with the plot to down jetliners with explosives had contact with a Pakistani suspected of being an al Qaeda operative, U.S. and British officials said Friday.

The officials allege that Matiur Rehman, described as an explosives expert in Pakistan who is now at large, met two of the British suspects in Pakistan.

But officials, who say the plot displays signs of al Qaeda participation but who are still investigating that angle, do not know whether Rehman was involved in the plot. (Watch how the plot had hallmarks of al Qaeda -- 3:19)

After the two people returned to Britain, they received a wire transfer of money from Pakistan, the officials said.

Authorities in Britain on Thursday announced the arrests of 24 people in connection with the plot. While the investigation continues, the government officials say the primary players are in custody.

On Friday, police arrested 40 people in raids on Muslim gathering places throughout Italy, the Italian Interior Ministry said, according to The Associated Press.

The arrests were made in Rome, Milan, Venice, Florence, Naples and other cities as "part of an extraordinary operation that followed the British anti-terrorist operation," the AP quoted the ministry as saying in a statement.

Raided were call centers, Internet points and money transfer" offices, the ministry said, according to AP.

Twenty-eight people were arrested for violating rules on residence permits, and 12 were arrested for property crimes, AP reported the statement as saying.

British Home Secretary John Reid acknowledged on Friday the Pakistani role in breaking the case.

"We are very grateful for all the help and cooperation we have received from our international partners, including Pakistan, and I would like to thank them for the assistance they have given us," he said.

Pakistani officials said the arrests of two British citizens and five Pakistanis last week directly contributed to terror arrests made Thursday in Britain. Intelligence sources identified one of the British citizens as Rashid Rauf.

The original information about the plan came from the Muslim community in Britain, according to a British intelligence official.

"The plotters intended this to be a second September 11th," said British Homeland Security adviser Frances Townsend. "It's a frightening example of multiple, simultaneous attacks for explosions of planes that would have caused the death of thousands."

The tip resulted from a person who had been concerned about the activities of an acquaintance after the July 7, 2005, terror attacks in London, the official said.

U.S. government officials say there were two phone calls made from London to the United States recently by suspects. Those calls were tracked down and investigated, but there is no evidence of any involvement of people in the United States in the alleged plot.

The alleged plot to smuggle liquid explosives onto planes has led to new security measures at airports around the world. In Britain, airline passengers were not allowed Friday to take hand luggage onto planes for a second day, said British Airports Authority Chief Executive Stephen Nelson.

Passengers in the U.S. faced stringent security checks, the day after shampoo, lotions and water became banned as carry-on items. (Read about the latest situation at U.S. airports)

A number of men were in the "final stages" of a plot to blow up as many as 10 jets leaving Britain for the United States, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

The Bank of England on Friday froze the accounts of 19 suspects who were arrested in connection with the plot, a British Treasury spokesman said. (Suspects' names)

Although officials believed the main suspects were in custody, Britain's threat level remained "critical," the highest level, Reid said Friday.

He said Britons faced a "common threat" and appealed for tolerance and resilience.

Reid said Friday that Britain was grateful for Pakistan's cooperation in breaking up the plot.

The United States on Friday renewed its warning to U.S. citizens to defer nonessential travel to Pakistan amid rising concerns over terror activity that could be directed against U.S. interests.

The U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, India, on Friday warned American citizens of possible terrorist attacks across India in the coming week. (Full story)

The men detained in Britain on Thursday had not bought plane tickets, the officials said, but they had been perusing the Internet to find flights to various cities that had similar departure times.

An undercover British agent had infiltrated the alleged plotters, giving the authorities intelligence on the alleged plan, several U.S. government officials said. (Watch as neighbors describe the dramatic arrests -- 2:18)

Among those arrested were a Muslim charity worker and a Heathrow Airport employee with an all-area access pass, according to Britain's Channel 4.

The suspects were planning to stage a test run within a couple of days, said a U.S. intelligence official.

The suspected terrorists had been under surveillance in Britain since last December, Channel 4 reported.

A senior congressional source said it is believed the plotters planned to mix a British sports drink with a gel-like substance to make a potent explosive that could be ignited with an MP3 player or cell phone. (Watch how liquid explosives could be devastating -- 2:32)

The sports drink could be combined with a peroxide-based paste to form a potent "explosive cocktail," if properly done, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.

"There are strong reasons to believe the materials in a beverage like that could have been part of the formula," the official said.

As many as 50 people were involved in the plot, an internal Department of Homeland Security document said.

Information gathered after the arrests in Pakistan convinced British investigators they had to act urgently to stop the plot, sources said.

Two of the suspects left "martyrdom tapes," according to sources familiar with the details of the British investigation.

After the plot was exposed, authorities immediately banned all passengers headed to or departing from U.S. airports from carrying any liquid in their carry-ons. The massive lines that resulted at security checkpoints made air travel chaotic worldwide as flights were delayed or canceled. (Full story)

Air passengers across Europe faced a second day of delays on Friday, though the situation had eased from the previous day when London's Heathrow Airport was closed to many incoming flights. (Full story)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/11/terror.plot/index.html?eref=yahoo

[Pantera]

isto é incrivel...nem quero imaginar o que se teria passado se este atentado tivesse mesmo acontecido.


para o RedWarrior e as estúpidas teorias da conspiração,deixo isto:


Há duas maneiras de encarar o que na quinta-feira aconteceu em Londres. Uma é garantir que se trata de uma cabala sionista, apoiada pelos Estados Unidos e pela Grã-Bretanha, para desviar as atenções do mundo sobre o que está a acontecer no Líbano. Segundo esta teoria - que alguns malucos já defendem fervorosamente na Net -, enquanto os passageiros de Heathrow e Gatwick se entretinham a encher os caixotes do lixo com perfumes, pastas de dentes, garrafas de água e leite para bebé, Israel realizava indescritíveis maldades no Médio Oriente.

A outra maneira - e a única que dispensa uma consulta no Júlio de Matos - tenderá a encarar o desmantelamento de um atentado de grande dimensão como uma vitória do Ocidente contra o terrorismo internacional.


Por enquanto escasseia a informação necessária a um mínimo entendimento do que aconteceu em Londres - ignorância que aduba cálculos cabalísticos e teorias da conspiração -, mas parece já evidente tratar-se de um triunfo dos serviços secretos britânicos e, por acréscimo, das democracias em que vivemos.

A propósito do Líbano, do Irão e sobretudo do Iraque, é comum apontar baterias aos Estados Unidos e gozar com o cowboy que ocupa a Casa Branca. Dispenso as conversas geopolíticas sobre "atoleiros militares" e negócios petrolíferos, mas gostava de relembrar um simples facto a quem, sem pestanejar, anda convencido de que os Estados Unidos estão a perder a guerra contra o terrorismo - não existe um único atentado em território americano desde o 11 de Stembro de 2001, e não há-de ter sido por falta de vontade da Al- -Qaeda. George W. Bush pode não ser muito esperto mas, neste campo, tem uma folha de serviços imaculada. Convém recordá-lo de vez em quando. Os terroristas falharam um atentado aparatoso, essencial para demonstrar que ainda têm capacidade de intervir em grande escala nos países ocidentais. O Ocidente perdeu uma quantidade estúpida de pastas de dentes. O 10 de Agosto de 2006 foi, apesar de tudo, um dia feliz.

http://dn.sapo.pt/2006/08/12/opiniao/a_ ... entes.html

[RedWarrior]

Não dá mesmo para mais...

Há duas maneiras de encarar o que na quinta-feira aconteceu em Londres. Uma é garantir que se trata de uma cabala sionista, apoiada pelos Estados Unidos e pela Grã-Bretanha, para desviar as atenções do mundo sobre o que está a acontecer no Líbano.

Não penso que isso fosse vantajoso, mas sem dúvida que era vantajoso dar mais uns argumentos a quem quere levar a guerra até ao fim.  

A outra maneira - e a única que dispensa uma consulta no Júlio de Matos - tenderá a encarar o desmantelamento de um atentado de grande dimensão como uma vitória do Ocidente contra o terrorismo internacional.

 Terá sido a mesma pessoa que escreveu:

Por enquanto escasseia a informação necessária a um mínimo entendimento do que aconteceu em Londres

 Portanto, escasseia informação necessária a um mínimo entendimento do que aconteceu mas a única interpretação que dispensa consulta no Julio de Matos tende a encarar isto como uma vitória do Ocidente contra o terrorismo internacional. :lol:

 E depois ainda afirma que:

mas parece já evidente tratar-se de um triunfo dos serviços secretos britânicos

 Portanto, escasseia informação necessária a um mínimo entendimento do que aconteceu mas é tudo já evidente.

 João Miguel Tavares Para além de cara de parvo, devia consultar uns livrinhos sobre estratégia para perceber o que são "false flag operations" que a CIA já admitiu ter usado. Dá-me a sensação que a mãe dele nunca lhe chegou a dizer que quem deixava as prendas debaixo da árvore por alturas do Solstício de Inverno não era o pai natal, caso o tivesse feito, é provável que ele escrevesse para o DN a barafustar contra os teóricos da conspiração aka Santa Claus Deniers, oferecendo-lhes consultas no Júlio de Matos.

 Só uma pergunta para os Al-Qaeda believers, quantos grupos armados islâmicos reconhecem a Al-Qaeda?

[TOMKAT]

Ontem, na RTP, António Vitorino, pessoa que se presume bem informada, deu mais uma achega à "conspiração maquiavélica" de ingleses e americanos nos "fictícios" atententados que "não" se estavam a preparar.

Segundo António Vitorino, o desmantelamento da rede que ia efectuar os atentados foi fruto de um trabalho de recolha de informação começado à 1 ano atrás, e que apenas à 1 semana foi recolhida informação e provas suficientes, que apontava a data dos atentados para hoje, 15 de Agosto.
Mais disse Vitorino,... alguns dos presumíveis terroristas, todos de ascendência paquistanesa, estiveram recentemente no Paquistão, a pretexto de uma pretensa participação numa acção humanitária devido a um sismo (creio) ocorrido recentemente nesse país, onde foram seguidos pelos serviços secretos paquistaneses.

De facto foi um "maquiavélico plano" bem engendrado por americanos e ingleses. De mestre, quase se pode dizer.
Até prenderam pessoas para a coisa ser mais realista. E conseguiram que nenhum familiar dos presumíveis e inocentes terroristas detidos, clamasse a inocência dos seus familiares, aliás ninguém clamou a inocência, à excepção de um tal "Guerreiro Vermmelho" pois claro.
E a "cereja em cima do bolo" foi o envolvimento desse "maquiavélico" personagem chamado António Vitorino, para convencer os recalcitrantes portugueses, não fosse alguma hoste de lusitanos descontentes, pensar em manifestar a sua solidariedade para com os "inocentes" presumíveis terroristas detidos.
 

Agrora um pouco off-tópic mas um excelente exemplo da tolerância muçulmana... e a perfeita integração destes nos países ocidentais...

Morte de paquistanesa choca Itália

Foi ontem encontrado e detido pela Polícia italiana o principal suspeito da morte de Hina Saleem, uma jovem paquistanesa de 21 anos, encontrada no sábado passado, degolada e enterrada no jardim da casa da sua família, na região de Brescia, em Itália.

O homem, Mohammed Saleem, é o pai da vítima. Foi detido na cidade vizinha de Gardone depois de ter estado desaparecido durante dois dias. É acusado de homicídio premeditado e ocultação do cadáver. A Polícia deteve também um tio da rapariga.

A seguir ao desaparecimento de Hina, denunciado pelo seu namorado - um italiano de 33 anos e de religião católica, com quem vivia -, a residência da família Saleem ficou vazia e com sinais de ter sido abandonada de forma precipitada. Testemunhas asseguram que no sábado terão visto três pessoas, entre as quais Mohammed Saleem, cavar uma cova no jardim, onde foi posteriormente encontrado o cadáver, embrulhado num lençol.

De acordo com a imprensa local, o pai, o cunhado e um tio da jovem muçulmana terão decidido castigá-la por recusar casar no Paquistão com um dos seus primos, tal como havia sido planeado pela família. Hina vivia há escassos meses em Itália e trabalhava numa pizzaria. O advogado do pai, Alberto Bordone, assegurou que o acusado está "tranquilo" e "consciente da situação".

http://jn.sapo.pt/2006/08/15/ultima/morte_paquistanesa_choca_italia.html

e mais...

Uma sondagem entre muçulmanos da Grã-Bretanha diz que 81 por cento se consideram mais muçulmanos do que britânicos.

É de desconfiar da lealdade desses cidadãos para com o seu país? É. Mas há também uma lição positiva a ler na sondagem. Como se faz um sondagem? Por abordagem directa ou por telefone. Em qualquer dos casos, é possível pensar que quem responde sabe que a polícia pode chegar a ele: ou porque se lhe conhece o telefone ou porque foi visto a responder.

Ora, mais de quatro em cinco não tiveram medo de dizer o que quiseram. Agiram como cidadãos britânicos, isto é, gente livre. Se respondessem num país muçulmano (num qualquer) não fariam o mesmo. Parafraseando um poeta, para os seus muçulmanos, a Grã-Bretanha ainda se estranha, mas já está entranhada.

Ferreira Fernandes

Curiosa esta sondagem, também referida pelo "ignóbil" Vitorino na referida entrevista à RTP. Segundo ele esta percentagem é bem mais elevada em Inglaterra do que em países muçulmanos como o Egipto ou a Turquia.